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Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.14 01:58:00 - [1] Edited by: Red Rydah on 14/02/2011 01:58:29 ....I'm going to give you some free advice on how to handle the inevitable loss of your vessel and your clone, especially since Hulkageddon is around the corner. It will spare you the embarassment of looking silly if you have a freakout and start badmouthing the person who (bleep)ed in your cornflakes that day. I know there is a risk in going into lowsec to get bargains. In some cases it's a lure. But I've prided myself on being able to get in and out of lowsec at the drop of a hat before anyone noticed. I've skilled high enough to be able to jump to warp before anyone noticed me, and I've always been able to zip in and out of station before someone got the bead on me. I've had many close escapes but always got away unmarked. Until today. I saw some skillbooks that were a bargain in Amamake, and dug out an old burst (one of many) that I used for trips like this. No big whoop if I lost it and it jumps fast. I managed to get in and out of the station in a matter of seconds easy and hit the warp to zero button to a nearby jumpgate for my trip home. I just edged the warp jump gauge line when I heard one of the fastest locks in my life target my ship. My ship was blown to pieces. I tried to jump to warp in my pod and got podded. In just a few seconds, a guy named Lukka fried both my ship and my clone. He got me, fair and square. No patting on my back this time, no lucky escapes to brag about. I lost my ship, my skill books, and my clone. Not a lot of ISK, but the ego blow was there. And there was only one way to handle such a blow. I quickly opened up my EVE Mail, typed the followng message below, then clicked send: Good kill! From: Red Rydah Sent: 2011.02.14 01:17 To: Lukka, :) This is the correct way to handle a loss like this. No raging at the aggressor is going to make you feel better. No going to channels to complain will get your ship back. Take the loss for what it is, as a lesson that you are never completely safe in EVE Online, and that a gamble can backfire. Something to think about and take to heart as Helicity's buddies come to highsec to party-hearty..... Red
Herzog Wolfhammer Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition	Posted - 2011.02.14 02:06:00 - [2] Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 14/02/2011 02:09:49 In before the usual crowd comes in posting that the OP's post IS actually a form of tears to be relished in, followed by "umad?" and "you stuff, can I haz". Last time someone tried to get me at a station I used an alt to set up an emergency BM straight out of the gate. Works every time. Sometimes they will use one ship for targeting but sensor boost the heck out of it for fast locks. Seen it before. It's the "get the pod" arrangement - works on frigs well enough.
Val'Dore Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided	Posted - 2011.02.14 02:09:00 - [3] Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer In before Val'Dore Finished. ~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Thurasi Agalder	Posted - 2011.02.14 02:45:00 - [4] I am new (February 8th). I haven't lost a ship to a player yet. I wouldn't be surprised if I did get mad if someone shot my ship out from under me. I've never played a MMO (before EVE) where it is very easy to lose your stuff. Sounds to me like you took your loss like a pro, and were big enough to extend your hand to the player graciously. AS a "noob", I'll try to remember how you handled it. Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with us "greenhorns"
RuckaLucka Ali GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.02.14 03:04:00 - [5] i stole a guys phoenix and then got his chimera jumped in on a titan and cap fleet i think he killed himself the rage was just jaw dropping
Weesa Wanderstar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.14 03:29:00 - [6] Originally by: RuckaLucka Ali i stole a guys phoenix and then got his chimera jumped in on a titan and cap fleet i think he killed himself the rage was just jaw dropping this some people build their isk too fast without preparing for losses and not realize the hard fall they are building for themselves. its not a newcomer thing either...some people never learn. OP: great comments but I would drop the name of the player who took you out.
Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.14 03:36:00 - [7] Edited by: Red Rydah on 14/02/2011 03:36:26 Originally by: Thurasi Agalder Thank you for taking the time to share your experience with us "greenhorns" You're welcome. welcome to EVE. Originally by: Weesa Wanderstar OP: great comments but I would drop the name of the player who took you out. Done, with apologies.
Centri Sixx	Posted - 2011.02.14 04:53:00 - [8] Don't send a mail saying it's a good kill unless it's a good kill. Instalocking and popping a t1 mining frig that may not even have been armed while station hugging is not. It's best to be silent, and remember next time to check the undock and redock rather than warp. Also, if you can't inject it, travel to the station when you can. Yeah, you'll lose stuff, but the hurt is there to make you learn from it.
captain skinback	Posted - 2011.02.14 05:04:00 - [9] all you lost was a cheap throw away t1 frig try and be that calm and nonchalant about loosing something really expensive.
ErrorS Caldari	Posted - 2011.02.14 05:43:00 - [10] Some of us really, really hate losing ships. I've never blown up at someone for killing me (they didn't do anything wrong, I did) but trust me, if I could i'd reach through my screen and punch them in the face.. just for existing. I don't care if it's a fricken ibis, it hurts to see someone outsmart or outskill you in the game. If it wasn't one, it was the other.. so prepare for that, someone is eventually going to best you at some point. I lost a Harpy the other day, it was the dumbest and most unfair loss ever.. I dock at a station to pick up something, I see one red guy flashing outside.. I sat in the station, local didn't change, got tired of waiting. I was about to undock in my Badger full of a bunch of stuff, but decided to 'scout' in my Harpy (only other ship there) to test that one pirate's skills at locking. I fitted 3 warp core stabalizers, no way he could lock me down, right? Well, I undocked and that one red blinky guy turned into about 15 red blinky guys.. my pod was gone before I even saw it, dunno how they managed that. It was unfair, but it was still my fault. Most of the time I would have logged and waited it out, most people also would have done the same.. at that moment, I was stupid, impatient and figured I would beat the odds, it didn't happen, I lost. It sucked, I didn't congratulate them or anything, they're dirty pirates and it wasn't a fair kill.. still, they outwitted me. Yeah, that's my story. Also lost a Ferox to a Hurricane while ratting for a mission, had 0 cap, he warped in and tore the Ferox to pieces in about 3 seconds. I did give that guy a "good job". He caught me unprepared, but that was proper pirating and he did it well. ________ I'm strict Caldari "The grass is always greener on the other side" - Maybe they're not as uber as you think? -ErrorS

Thurasi Agalder	Posted - 2011.02.14 05:47:00 - [11] Edited by: Thurasi Agalder on 14/02/2011 05:47:50 Originally by: Centri Sixx Don't send a mail saying it's a good kill unless it's a good kill. Instalocking and popping a t1 mining frig that may not even have been armed while station hugging is not. I think that is called being a "good sport" and taking a loss well.
Thurasi Agalder	Posted - 2011.02.14 05:50:00 - [12] Originally by: captain skinback all you lost was a cheap throw away t1 frig try and be that calm and nonchalant about loosing something really expensive. "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" seems to be what Red anticipated by choosing a Burst.
Burial Day	Posted - 2011.02.14 07:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Red Rydah unsolicited advice that you somehow believe is essential/interesting 1. "Son, let me lecture you on how humble I am" 2. Why do you care if someone freaks out? More fun for his attackers, more opportunity to learn for the victim (e.g., looking back on his inappropriate rage in the past and thinking how much better it is to keep his cool in the future) 3. To reemphasize point #1, you reek of arrogance. Take your own advice and stop talking.
Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.14 07:06:00 - [14] Edited by: Red Rydah on 14/02/2011 07:06:24 Originally by: Burial Day 3. To reemphasize point #1, you reek of arrogance. Take your own advice and stop talking. No.
Mystic5hadow Koku Uchu Industries	Posted - 2011.02.14 07:10:00 - [15] I wouldn't have said anything. That's the ideal thing to do. If EvE were real and you just lost a ship, skillbooks and a pod containing your clone, you sure as hell wouldn't be saying "Good kill!" you'd either say nothing at all and move on or hunt the guy down and attempt revenge, while raging or not. Besides, anybody can insta-lock like that and get an easy kill. Certainly not a "Good kill!" in my books.
Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.14 07:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Mystic5hadow I wouldn't have said anything. That's the ideal thing to do. If EvE were real and you just lost a ship, skillbooks and a pod containing your clone, you sure as hell wouldn't be saying "Good kill!" you'd either say nothing at all and move on or hunt the guy down and attempt revenge, while raging or not. Besides, anybody can insta-lock like that and get an easy kill. Certainly not a "Good kill!" in my books. But it is a game, so the response was appropriate.
Weesa Wanderstar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.14 07:40:00 - [17] Edited by: Weesa Wanderstar on 14/02/2011 07:42:06 Originally by: Mystic5hadow hunt the guy down and attempt revenge, while raging or not. you are suggesting storming back into lowsec to get revenge, a place where everyone can shoot you without concord stepping in?
Mystic5hadow Koku Uchu Industries	Posted - 2011.02.14 07:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Red Rydah Originally by: Mystic5hadow I wouldn't have said anything. That's the ideal thing to do. If EvE were real and you just lost a ship, skillbooks and a pod containing your clone, you sure as hell wouldn't be saying "Good kill!" you'd either say nothing at all and move on or hunt the guy down and attempt revenge, while raging or not. Besides, anybody can insta-lock like that and get an easy kill. Certainly not a "Good kill!" in my books. But it is a game, so the response was appropriate. True. I think I take EvE too seriously sometimes. Regardless, I'd never congratulate someone for insta-lock&popping me. Originally by: Weesa Wanderstar Edited by: Weesa Wanderstar on 14/02/2011 07:42:06 Originally by: Mystic5hadow hunt the guy down and attempt revenge, while raging or not. you are suggesting storming back into lowsec to get revenge, a place where everyone can shoot you without concord stepping in? Not exactly. I mean, if you're stupid enough to do so, by all means.. Revenge can come in many ways and not instantly after being popped and enraged (hence my "while raging or not" bit. You can easily track someone down and pop them without any problems whatsoever if you really want. I'd do it that way.
Burial Day	Posted - 2011.02.14 07:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Red Rydah Edited by: Red Rydah on 14/02/2011 07:06:24 Originally by: Burial Day 3. To reemphasize point #1, you reek of arrogance. Take your own advice and stop talking. No. As I said.
Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.14 08:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Burial Day As I said. I heard you already. I'm not going to repeat my last comment.

Burial Day	Posted - 2011.02.14 08:15:00 - [21] Originally by: Red Rydah Originally by: Burial Day As I said. I heard you already. I'm not going to repeat my last comment. You can choose to ignore my advice, but your answer proved my judgment - this one too.
Weesa Wanderstar Minmatar	Posted - 2011.02.14 08:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Burial Day You can choose to ignore my advice, but your answer proved my judgment - this one too. lol dude you told red to be quiet in a not-too-nice way. what did you expect was gonna happen? Something like this?
Zuper Zpy	Posted - 2011.02.14 08:49:00 - [23] After playing 2 weeks I had got up to 10 mills ISK. I spent it all on mex and loaded my badger to sell it about 8 jumps into low sec. The obvious happened mainly out of ignorance. If the only pirates were NPC then we would complain about the AI being either too easy or too hard. I never blamed the ganker just my own stupidity.
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:02:00 - [24] I got blown up in low sec a few months back, my mistake for not paying attention. As I warped my pod out I asked the guy who shot me in local if he could be more gentle next time as I nearly spilled my beer Most of the time you can have a laugh with whoever attacked you, it's not personal generally, just you were the one they found and often it's because you weren't diligent enough to avoid being ganked. If you're a new player, ask them for some tips, you never know. ------------------------------------------------ Quafe is people!
Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Burial Day You can choose to ignore my advice, but your answer proved my judgment - this one too. To quote Josh Billings, "the very thing that men think they have got the most of, they have got the least of; and that is judgment". Seems to walk hand-in-hand with your judgement and your definition of advice. Originally by: Zuper Zpy After playing 2 weeks I had got up to 10 mills ISK. I spent it all on mex and loaded my badger to sell it about 8 jumps into low sec. The obvious happened mainly out of ignorance. If the only pirates were NPC then we would complain about the AI being either too easy or too hard. I never blamed the ganker just my own stupidity. That's it, exactly. Whether you were outwitted by another player or simply did yourself in, take the high road, show some grace and accept this as a EVE lesson without getting upset over it.
Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:08:00 - [26] Edited by: Red Rydah on 14/02/2011 09:09:55 Originally by: Serge Bastana I got blown up in low sec a few months back, my mistake for not paying attention. As I warped my pod out I asked the guy who shot me in local if he could be more gentle next time as I nearly spilled my beer Most of the time you can have a laugh with whoever attacked you, it's not personal generally, just you were the one they found and often it's because you weren't diligent enough to avoid being ganked. If you're a new player, ask them for some tips, you never know. I wish I asked that person for tips on how he was able to lock so fast instead of just sending him a pleasant complimentary message. It may help me on my next trip.
Aderata Nonkin	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:27:00 - [27] Unfortunately the OP is a badly disguised troll, being arrogant enough to think anyone gives a damn about his flawed opinions. Let me tell you, boy, that you will rage and rant for a while if I see you. Because I'll shoot you down like a rabid dog and I won't steal your stuff. I'll shoot that too.
Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.14 09:49:00 - [28] Edited by: Red Rydah on 14/02/2011 09:50:06 Originally by: Aderata Nonkin Unfortunately the OP is a badly disguised troll, being arrogant enough to think anyone gives a damn about his flawed opinions. Let me tell you, boy, that you will rage and rant for a while if I see you. Because I'll shoot you down like a rabid dog and I won't steal your stuff. I'll shoot that too. I'm very sorry, but there was no trolling here. And oh noes, I just got forum-threatened by a 27 day old character in an NPC corporation. I think this is the part where I quit EVE. Oh wait, no, I think it's the part where I burst into laughter. Red
Aderata Nonkin	Posted - 2011.02.14 10:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Red Rydah I'm very sorry, but there was no trolling here. Nothing to be sorry about sport, we all enjoy a little bit of stealth trolling from time to time. In your case it was blatantly obvious though. Quote: I just got forum-threatened by a 27 day old character in an NPC corporation. This is my forum alt, in case you're not intelligent enough to have figured that out yourself. My main will do the proper job and you won't even see it coming. Nice try though sport.
Red Rydah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2011.02.14 10:21:00 - [30] Edited by: Red Rydah on 14/02/2011 10:26:44 Edited by: Red Rydah on 14/02/2011 10:24:54 Originally by: Aderata Nonkin Nothing to be sorry about sport, we all enjoy a little bit of stealth trolling from time to time. In your case it was blatantly obvious though. This is my forum alt, in case you're not intelligent enough to have figured that out yourself. My main will do the proper job and you won't even see it coming. Nice try though sport. Fair enough. I'll give you until, hmm, April 1st, 2011, to make do on your promise in-game. EDIT: and again, this is not a troll, I did get podded, the kill rights are here to see: 2011.02.14 01:17:00Involved parties: Victim: Red RydahName: (player) Corp: Native FreshfoodSecurity: -10.0 Alliance: UnknownCorp: (corp) Faction: UnknownAlliance: NONE Destroyed: CapsuleFaction: NONE System: AmamakeShip: Merlin Security: 0.4Weapon: Light Neutron Blaster II Damage Taken: 247Damage Done: 247



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