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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries Blue Dynamics
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:30:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:anyone think of a decent reason to keep the margin trading skill?
It's a skill used by many traders as a way to make your ISK work harder because buy orders usually fill very slowly.
I don't think it's a broken skill, but maybe it should have some penalty attached if abused, like in real life trading. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
150
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Posted - 2012.08.23 11:33:00 -
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Implying Implications wrote:You are dumb as hell.
And your an fkin idiot...
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
749
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Posted - 2012.08.23 13:38:00 -
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Yes it's a scam, no CCP aren't involved, think of it as an moderately priced lesson in the mechanics of an unregulated market and the depths of your own greed. You're only stupid if you fall for it more than once.
Margin trading is a useful skill if you're into trading, it allows traders to effectively use the contents of their wallet without having tons of dead isk lying around. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Sergeant Nuisance
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.08.23 15:56:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote:Generals4 wrote:You sir have fallen for the typical "Trade Margin" scam. And no CCP is not behind it.
CCP allows it because EVE is supposed to be a universe where pricks and a-holes feel at home.
If ccp really wanted to scam people they'd make isk disapear not allow people to rip each other off. If CCP is not behind this, explain how a buy order was cancel when player not online?
margin trading and greedy people is how you got scammed.
google eve online margin trading scams and you will get your answer. |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
674
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:07:00 -
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Rats wrote:Implying Implications wrote:You are dumb as hell. And your an fkin idiot... Tal
*you're Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:09:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote: To make that money, I had been playing 10 hrs a day for the last 3 weeks.
I see your FIRST problem here... |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:16:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote:You don't seems to understand I think. Yes I do know now that this is a Margin Scam, but the Margin scam uses the help of the Margin Skill to perform such scam. However, no true buyer would bother training that skill unless they want to false a buy order. Thus the Margin Skills should be know as Scam Skill instead. My point is that when CCP introduce this skill, they promote or assist scammer a new line of scamming. So they are responsible just like how I explain the robber and the police story, unless you didn't care to read it and just busy posting your insults.
And Ford Motor Company is responsible for a drunk getting behind the wheel of a Ford vehicle and killing someone else in an accident???
Your elevator doesn't go all the way to the top, does it? |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
151
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:22:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:Rats wrote:Implying Implications wrote:You are dumb as hell. And your an fkin idiot... Tal *you're
Thanks lol that's always getting me you sure you're not my boss in disguise ? -áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Lysanne Reqetta
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.08.23 16:27:00 -
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I'd ask for your stuff but apparently you've already lost it. Oops. The bep train's a'comin' for you boy! |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:20:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote:Really dumb stuff. This is one of the funniest posts and dumbest people I think I've experienced since I started playing. I hope this guy never reproduces...
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Luke Visteen
Apostasy Prime
14
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Posted - 2012.08.23 17:24:00 -
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OP sounds like a random poster from Blizzard forums. You can take away my pride, you can take away my dignity but DON"T TOUCH THE HAIR >.> |
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
29
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Posted - 2012.08.23 19:12:00 -
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Rats wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Rats wrote:Implying Implications wrote:You are dumb as hell. And your an fkin idiot... Tal *you're Thanks lol that's always getting me you sure you're not my boss in disguise ?
No, I am. You're fired. |
Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries Blue Dynamics
3
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:31:00 -
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Toroup wrote: Also, an is used prior to a work beginning with a vowel, not a constantant. And you're still fired.
Do you perhaps mean 'word' and 'consonant' ? |
Anubis Star
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.08.23 20:36:00 -
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lol, a nub |
drunk asfck
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:22:00 -
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Welcome to eve
good to see the fck wit filter still works lol |
Tech3ZH
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.08.23 21:38:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote:.Not even in real life such system exist.
I'll have to disagree with you there - EVE is wonderfully complex, but real-life financial scams are so much more complex they are far beyond anything anyone could do in EVE.
Sorry you got scammed, but CCP didn't do that.
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Tech3ZH
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.08.23 22:02:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Alfred Lim wrote:As I have stated, unless someone can explain to me how the order was cancel when the player is not online, then I would believe that CCP is not involve. And if it is due to margin, then again, the mechanics was was the sole purpose of scamming. How then CCP is not involve cos they create the mechanic in the 1st place. ...EVERY single person commenting here knows exactly what happened here, except you. I suspect the reason nobody has explained it to you is because there's a thread like this every other week and they are tired of ctrl+c ctrl+v the answer for the zillionth time. Actually... maybe it's my turn. There is a skill called "Margin Trading" that allows you to put up buy orders in excess of what you actually have in your wallet. For people who have Tycoon 5 this is useful, because it can take months for an order to fill, and in the meantime you have all this isk doing nothing tied up in your orders. So if I have 305 orders out on one account and I'm buying large volumes of some material on the market in a dozen regions, I may only want 1/4 of what I have orders for, but I get a better price by pushing out the orders to more places, which allows me to get the volume I need faster. I am actually using the margin skill to buy stuff right now, because the volume is low all over new eden but I need a lot... so I can put large orders in on different regional markets to try and 1) get a better price and 2) fill the volume I require more quickly. I'm using it as it was intended to be used, and it's allowed me to move like a big trader despite the fact that I'm a little trader. Some people use the Margin Skill in another way. They put in a minimum buy order of lets say 200,000 of something for 10x it's value on one character, and empty their wallet into another account. They use the other account to sell 200,000 of that same item for 5x its usual price. Then a chump comes along (in this case, you) and sees the disparity on the market. Thinking they will double their money in a minute, they buy the 200,000 units of that item and ignore the warning that it's 5x the going rate for that item, thinking they will just flip it. However, when they go to sell it the buy order disappears, because the account that put in that buy order doesn't have the ISK to pay you, so the order disappears and you just gave the scammer 4x his initial investment. tl;dr; google harder. This scam happens every day.
OP - this is a concise and simple explanation of how the margin trading has a proper use in EVE and how scamming with it is possible. I hope you can see what happened and how CCP are not to blame.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
326
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Posted - 2012.08.23 23:35:00 -
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Toroup wrote:Rats wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Rats wrote:Implying Implications wrote:You are dumb as hell. And your an fkin idiot... Tal *you're Thanks lol that's always getting me you sure you're not my boss in disguise ? No, I am. You're fired. Also, an is used prior to a work beginning with a vowel, not a constantant. For example, it's "you're fired because you're a fking idiot" not "you're fired because you're an fking idiot". And you're still fired.
Actually, it would depend on the pronunciation of "fking". If as "efking" or "effing" than "an" is acceptable. Just like you would say "an RPG" or "is there an 'r' in the word?" |
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
679
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Posted - 2012.08.23 23:38:00 -
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Now this thread is going somewhere. Who wants to do the advanced level and take a stab at the OP's grammar? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1239
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Posted - 2012.08.23 23:41:00 -
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this thread is lulz |
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Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.08.23 23:44:00 -
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I have been scammed! I saw the OP's title and thought maybe SCAM was a secret spy agency or something. So disappointed. |
Jim Era
Genco Fatal Ascension
1239
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Posted - 2012.08.23 23:46:00 -
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scammed by the op's reasoning skills. |
The BAD Caretaker
Blood and Decay
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 23:48:00 -
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This thread was answered on page 1, surprised it's still going. Must be slow on the forums at the moment. |
Pasta OfDoom
SrsBsnsIndeed
11
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:38:00 -
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Dear god just let this thread die.
*Stealth keep the thread alive post* |
Greenmachine Sale
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 03:40:00 -
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I forgot to read your post or any of the replies but the correct way to write you title would be "I have been SCAMMED AND IM ********" |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.08.24 04:34:00 -
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The BAD Caretaker wrote:This thread was answered on page 1, surprised it's still going. Must be slow on the forums at the moment. Quite honestly, need a higher caliber of trolling threads, this is disappointing, below the standard.
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J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
377
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Posted - 2012.08.24 05:18:00 -
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Just shows that some people shouldn't be playing EVE.
They lack the brain cells to understand stuff. And when they make a mistake (hint: what ever happens, it's ALWAYS your OWN fault) they run to the forum crying like an emo raging teen.
Guess what, scamming is allowed in EVE. Live with it or better unsub and go play one of the other rollercoaster MMO's. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
WonkySplitDemon
The Forsworn Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.08.24 07:58:00 -
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It always amazes me when people whine about being scammed, there is only one conclusion to draw and that is these people are stupid. I have been playing EvE since 2005 and I have Never, not once, fallen for a single scam.
Maybe CCP should make new players take an IQ test before signing up. |
Jonah Gravenstein
750
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Posted - 2012.08.24 09:32:00 -
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WonkySplitDemon wrote:It always amazes me when people whine about being scammed, there is only one conclusion to draw and that is these people are stupid. I have been playing EvE since 2005 and I have Never, not once, fallen for a single scam.
Maybe CCP should make new players take an IQ test before signing up.
The scam is the IQ test
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
WonkySplitDemon
The Forsworn Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.08.24 09:59:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:WonkySplitDemon wrote:It always amazes me when people whine about being scammed, there is only one conclusion to draw and that is these people are stupid. I have been playing EvE since 2005 and I have Never, not once, fallen for a single scam.
Maybe CCP should make new players take an IQ test before signing up. The scam is the IQ test
True dat
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