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Cpt Branko
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2012.08.24 11:01:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote:Jim Era wrote:lol, new players trying to market PvP learn to play before you make these ridiculous accusations. So you expect everyone to read every single post in to the forum before you actually play the game? You dumb enough to shove this off
It's common sense, in life and in game, that anything which sounds too good to be true is probably not true. People failing to behave by that maxim are the target of scammers, both in life and in games like EVE.
Before you say it, "the law", think again. Many activities where you sell someone tha idea of making lots of money with little effort only if you invest in X are, well, not criminal.
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Tivookz
Black Flag Operations The Kadeshi
30
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Posted - 2012.08.24 11:13:00 -
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Honestly.. I think they should remove the margin trading skill.
Not because of this guy but because I'm sure that he's not the first nor the last person to get scammed by it.
I bet the skill is mostly used by scammers, real traders don't need the benefits that skill provides. |
BearJews
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.08.24 13:39:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:WonkySplitDemon wrote:It always amazes me when people whine about being scammed, there is only one conclusion to draw and that is these people are stupid. I have been playing EvE since 2005 and I have Never, not once, fallen for a single scam.
Maybe CCP should make new players take an IQ test before signing up. The scam is the IQ test Not particularly, i'm sure if you guys really got into trading when you first started you'd get scammed as well. But hey, my ***** is bigger than yours so there!!! |
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
58
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Posted - 2012.08.24 13:43:00 -
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First I like how the ISD changes the TOPIC TITLE lol... what power do these idiots not have?
Next, the whole margin **** is stupid.
OP learn to eve...
Cause I mean... you don't have a graph right showing the iteam for the past year was going for 50000% less than the buy order right? lol |
Elvis Fett
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.24 19:37:00 -
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OP I am sorry to hear you have been scammed, that's a bummer. But don't worry I want to help you recover your losses. I would be willing to sell you 2,500 units of Caldari Navy Nanite Repair Paste at half price for only 200,000 isk p/u. |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.08.24 20:08:00 -
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BearJews wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:WonkySplitDemon wrote:It always amazes me when people whine about being scammed, there is only one conclusion to draw and that is these people are stupid. I have been playing EvE since 2005 and I have Never, not once, fallen for a single scam.
Maybe CCP should make new players take an IQ test before signing up. The scam is the IQ test Not particularly, i'm sure if you guys really got into trading when you first started you'd get scammed as well. But hey, my ***** is bigger than yours so there!!!
When I first started trading I failed the IQ test, only the once though. I still own a badger, "FOOLS GOLD", with a very expensive, very useless thing in it that nobody wants to buy. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Nebula Atlantis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 21:25:00 -
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ROR... Raff out Roud |
Veritas Luxmea
Cosmo Paladins Tribal Band
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 22:36:00 -
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you'll be fine |
Celeste Lovette
The Scope
1001
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Posted - 2012.08.26 08:57:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote:
if Eve would be a US company, this will not just end here in the forum. Lucky them hey :)
USA ? You mean the country where started the financial crisis? Just lol
"Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." |
Akama Lowe
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.08.26 10:26:00 -
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Pretty sure Test is responsible for 95% of scams |
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Radius Prime
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.26 11:32:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote:
1 thing thou, if Eve would be a US company, this will not just end here in the forum. Lucky them hey :)
You are from the US?!? My god, schools there must have gotten even worse.
And btw, in the US and most western economies CCP would be allowed to govern their intellectual property as they choose. Iceland is no different. Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |
Cede Forster
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:07:00 -
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Akama Lowe wrote:Pretty sure Test is responsible for 95% of scams
if they indeed would get the income of 95 % of all scams, they be the richest alliance around |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
904
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Posted - 2012.08.26 16:57:00 -
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Tivookz wrote:Honestly.. I think they should remove the margin trading skill.
Not because of this guy but because I'm sure that he's not the first nor the last person to get scammed by it.
I bet the skill is mostly used by scammers, real traders don't need the benefits that skill provides. I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. Nyan |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
285
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Posted - 2012.08.27 05:57:00 -
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alittlebirdy wrote:First I like how the ISD changes the TOPIC TITLE lol... what power do these idiots not have?
I agree the ISD's editing of the thread is a joke. "I have been SCAM" ?!?!?!?!
"EDIT: Changed your thread title since it has been explained to you that CCP has not scammed you at all - ISD Type40."
I would still put forth the original title is correct because the Margin Trading Scam err Skill is a broken game mechanic & CCP is aware of it & lets it continue. SEC would have shut down Eve's market years ago if they got the number of complaints GM's do about escow fraud. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Sitreba Oonchevkii
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.08.27 10:39:00 -
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well that sucks, but... 10 HOURS A DAY!? You must be doing something wrong because i can make 300 mil in a matter of a few hours Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood. |
Alayna Le'line
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Posted - 2012.08.27 11:53:00 -
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Jax Bederen wrote:Ok so now were getting the intellectually superior in their own minds types posting. The guy is new, he looks at the market as buy low sell high, problem is as for anyone new, he doesn't know all the skills, this is not a matter of intelligence but knowing some pretty obscure rules, so settle down geniuses.
Having said that, OP you are getting a bit paranoid there, claiming some of these "geniuses" are CCP, they are just trying to feel better about themselves based on you being new and Fing up. Also you are better off just taking your loss and not bitching about this. Take it as a lesson learned, most here have had at least one.
If more newbies wouldn't assume they know everything after their 30days in Rookie help and would bother to join the Help channel when they "graduate" from Rookie help and read the stuff that passes by a lot of these things could be avoided.
Some newbie corps have more people online at a time than there are in the Help channel. But I'm sure all those already know all there is to know and could learn nothing anymore from lurking in Help... (in case your sarcasmometer doesn't beep here, it's broken, get a new one)
Seriously, I've lurked in Help for months and read the (admittedly, often low quality) stuff that passes through when missioning or mining, hopping systems or just chilling with a scotch while docked and I"ve picked up a ton of stuff, a lot of which I might never need, but it's good to be aware that it exists anyway.
The other obvious (and likely: better) choice is to join a real corporation and learn the ropes there from the other members.
If you do neither of these things as newbie you're just setting yourself up to be burned sooner rather than later. |
Echo Belly
Hot Girls and Warm Guns
0
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Posted - 2012.08.29 07:42:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote:I am a 5 months old player and (...)
Hello Alfred,
I'm a space lawyer and i will help you recover your money tenfold.
First I need you to mail me all what's left of your money so i can start the lawsuit. Then I'll take care of everything, you can trust me :)
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Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
262
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Posted - 2012.08.29 11:22:00 -
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Radius Prime wrote:Iceland is no different. Mostly because it is a western economy.
OP, scamming happens every day. It's part of EVE. If you want to try to stop it, hunt down the scammers and shoot them. Otherwise get over it and scam someone back. Stealth OST puns and blatant lies since 2009 Jace Errata on Twitter
One day they woke me up so I could live forever It's such a shame the same will never happen to you |
Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.08.29 14:09:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:alittlebirdy wrote:First I like how the ISD changes the TOPIC TITLE lol... what power do these idiots not have?
I agree the ISD's editing of the thread is a joke. "I have been SCAM" ?!?!?!?! "EDIT: Changed your thread title since it has been explained to you that CCP has not scammed you at all - ISD Type40." I would still put forth the original title is correct because the Margin Trading Scam err Skill is a broken game mechanic & CCP is aware of it & lets it continue. SEC would have shut down Eve's market years ago if they got the number of complaints GM's do about escow fraud.
The Eve market is no different from real world markets, governments, banks and investment companies perform all sorts of underhanded stuff to get ahead, price fixing, price gouging, legalised extortion, ponzi schemes, anything goes in the pursuit of money, entities like the SEC and the FSA are there to give an air of regulation to a cesspit of dishonesty.
Margin trading is not broken, I'm sure 95% of the people with it trained use it in the manner that it was designed for, the other 5% use it to fleece greedy and or stupid people.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
102
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Posted - 2012.08.29 15:22:00 -
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Alfred Lim wrote:You don't seems to understand I think. Yes I do know now that this is a Margin Scam, but the Margin scam uses the help of the Margin Skill to perform such scam. However, no true buyer would bother training that skill unless they want to false a buy order. Thus the Margin Skills should be know as Scam Skill instead. My point is that when CCP introduce this skill, they promote or assist scammer a new line of scamming. So they are responsible just like how I explain the robber and the police story, unless you didn't care to read it and just busy posting your insults.
Margin trading allows you to maintain buy orders while having liquid cash. Its great for traders, especially new ones who might not have the huge cash reserves long term traders buidl up. Without it you would need to constantly put up new orders as cash came in. Most businesses do the equivelent at some point. It is a perfectly legitimate trading skill and most stuff you sell is probably going to someone using it. As ever in eve the problem comes with policing its misuse. As far as i remember such orders were once filled and wallets went negative, but that was far to easily abused through alts so the orders automatically cancel. This leaves a scam possible but its an easy one to spot.
As everyone has pointed out you were scammed by buying something for much more than its worth, don't do that and you won't get scammed.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1038
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:09:00 -
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If there was one thread... of any thread... I could lock right now it would be this.
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Dog Biscuit
Chitlins
13
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Posted - 2012.08.29 17:42:00 -
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By the ISD? |
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