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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.02 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: The Mittani à. the war against drooling hisec missionrunners, lowsec k/d pirates, and 'elite pvp' nullsec nonsovholders is only beginning; it is CSM time, and the current crop of idiots is looking to ruin everything we know about sovereign space despite having never lived there themselves.We are now uniting with our allies (and even our nominal foes) to ensure that the Nullsec Bloc seizes control over the CSM, Jump Bridges aren't removed from the game, and that CCP is forced to get a clueàà. In this past year, CCP claims they have begun to 'listen' to the CSM, and what a time to listen. Most major nullsec alliances gave up on the CSM ages ago, and this year-long term is full of nobodies and carebears.
Did you write this?
Did you?
Whether you wrote it or not it is interesting what this person said. After the nullsec alliances gave up on the CSM, CCP started to listen. Food for thought isnÆt it?
Perhaps, negotiating with people in a game is a bit of a different animal than negotiating with professionals about their multimillion dollar company. I mean is it surprising that folks at ccp did not jump when the null sec alliance leaders were ruling the roost of csm?
Moreover, whoever said, what was attributed to you, also gave no indication that they understood *why* CCP is beginning to listen to the CSM. I think more than a few people have a clue about what brought that on.
But then we read this:
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: iP0D
Honest question though. ....So, how exactly are you going to approach CCP when it is time to sit down at the table, ....
i'm going to collect intelligence, make some calls and probably wing it from there. how hostile ccp will be may depend on the composition of the CSM; the best approach may be a subtle one, outside the formal process rather than one that involves meeting minutes. it might be best done within a formal process but i doubt itàone of the easiest fixes and one that seems extremely obvious to me is just to get the whole csm on skype/conference ....
Yeah do away with formal meeting minutes and just talk on skype. I have to say, I donÆt think you understood why ccp decided to start listening to the csm. I have a hunch you need to do some thinking or you will be very easy for ccp to ignore. I also think you would be well served to stop posting for your campaign and just tell your goons to shut up and vote for you. Remember, no democracy just do what daddy tells you.
IÆm sorry if this is insulting to goon players but they seem to be your view. You apparently think your alliance will vote like you tell them and you donÆt even need to explain a thing about what direction you think the game should go.
Originally by: Two Shots
The man can snap his fingers and say "Hey guys, this thing over here sounds like it might be fun; go do it if you feel like it," and thereby consistently summon up a fleet of a thousand people eager to go die horribly. à.
Ah yeah lets all believe that will work fine with CCP. Unfortunately history tells a different story. Null sec leaders who are used to snapping their fingers and having a thousand lemmings jump never accomplished much with csm. It was only when the ôcurrent crop of idiotsö took office that CCP started listening.
Originally by: The Mittani What I can deliver is me being a ruthless, manipulative bastard. And you need that...
Actually I don't, nor does csm or ccp. Thanks, but no thanks.
As for me IÆm with one of ôthe current crop of idiotsö who said
Originally by: Mynxee It will be interesting to see how CSM6's take on "stakeholder" status shapes up after they take office and how they choose to leverage it...or not.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Sullivar N
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Posted - 2011.03.02 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Sullivar N on 02/03/2011 03:42:39
Originally by: Cearain Belies his ignorance by implying that the majority of the work and influence of the CSM aren't already separate from the official "minutes"
Ooooooops! Too bad that Helen Highwater of CSM5 already stated that most of the work and important dialogue with CCP came from the internal CSM forums, mail threads, and private conversations. |
Swynet
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Posted - 2011.03.02 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: digi You deserve a great game. You deserve a real wage, not slavery. You need someone to stand up for you and fight for what is right. You need a Mitten that will unite this previously paralyzed circle of incompetents known as the CSM. The CSM can be strong with the right direction but all previous actions are for naught.
You dumbs
Quote: I have analyzed the results of those attempts, I have seen what the previous councils have done for you. They have done nothing but appease your smallish immediate desires.
If you want real change, you will elect someone strong, someone honest, someone who will not turn his back at Ford's Theater to receive a bullet to the head, but rather meet your adversaries head on with guns blazing while riding a bear made of spite and steel.
heu, we're not voting for the nex WUPHS (World United Presidence and Humanity Slavery) are we? -we had enough with the last economic trash/crash s'hitscum are capable of, thx.
Quote: You need this.
NO we don't, just you.
Quote: Put aside your trolling, put aside your anger, and channel true change for the game we all love, this cottonpicking Eve Online.
Are you trollin?? ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Manfred Sideous
H A V O C Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.03.02 04:50:00 -
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Dearest Mittens;
If I weren't voting for Seleene I would vote for you are Vile.
CLUE IN BONUS SECTION
Here is why you want Mittens on the CSM:
Marshall Mittens is what CCP fears as a CSM delegate. I have 0 doubt in my mind that Mittens will POAST alot. The thing is when Mittens poast people pay attention matter of fact he draws alot of attention. This fine neckbeard will have people F5ing articles forums and blogs like crazy as he exposes the hypocrisy that is CCP. CCP doesn't like bad press and there is nothing more Mittens enjoys than taking peoples dirty laundry showing it to everyone and then funning up with good gimmicks and tildes to humiliate his subject. You can guarentee CCP doesn't want this. Im pretty sure they will tread carefully with Mittens and be willing to "work" with him. ________________________________________________
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SpotlessBlade
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.02 04:51:00 -
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WAIT. Hey Mittens send me 500 million isk and I can get you into the CSM!
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 06:10:00 -
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goons who do not vote properly will be purged
we're requiring a video of each pilot voting for our candidates (unedited, of course), or they are expelled from the corporation
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.03.02 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Manfred Sideous CCP doesn't like bad press...
IF:
This sigle point was true, then I'd vote for this person.
But:
Has you already know, but not the whole Mittens, it's not the truth ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Dro Nee
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Posted - 2011.03.02 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani [The purpose of my candidacy is to attempt to fix the CSM itself by trying to solve the CCP/CSM communication problems, either through chutzpah or bastardry, I'm not sure which.
Would you articulate what you see are the specific CCP/CSM communication problems that need to be solved? Also, using specific examples, address both 1)the times when previous CSM's squandered thier opportunity to solve these problems in the past and 2)a couple of different ways you would have handled the situation/s?
Cheers
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.03.02 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Dro Nee Would you articulate what you see are the specific CCP/CSM communication problems that need to be solved?
Seems obvious to everyone having 2 eyes and being able to read a minimum in english that comunication problems exist seriously, take example on some threads existing since 2years now without any answer from CCP. Resulting from the same threads 2 different members of CSM incapable to present something serious to CCP like:
Member one: "ho about this stuff, seems doesn't works" Member two: "yes it does, I mean it seems it does" CCP: "ok, so everything's fine. What's next about jump bridges?"
Quote: Also, using specific examples, address both 1)the times when previous CSM's squandered thier opportunity to solve these problems in the past and 2)a couple of different ways you would have handled the situation/s?
Cheers
Certainly another candidate's alt and a raging one. I could ask you the same thing on the other sense even if I have nothing to win with, could you seriously do it?- I don't think so or you're realy fool.
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Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 09:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dro Nee the times when previous CSM's squandered thier opportunity to solve these problems in the past
How about when a CCP developer brings up the craptastic idea of removing jump bridges and not a single person on the CSM says anything about it? The whole idea of the CSM as a stakeholder is a sham but the CSM can be used to provide feedback on what the devs are thinking about the direction of their game. If nobody tells them how stupid their ideas are they might just implement them.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.03.02 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tres Farmer on 02/03/2011 12:14:50 Interesting campaign. I'm intrigued by the reasoning to do 'good for all' by getting some teeth onto the CSM (technical teeth in regards to haggling with CCP).
The only question I got for The Mittani is this: What do you do if you find that the problem lies within CCP itself(*).. it's internal communication and organisational structure? What are you gonna do?
*) My thoughts here run along the lines of: 'No matter what you do or achieve, CCP itself is in trouble'. I mean, I don't believe you can change the corporate structure of CCP. On the other hand I don't even think you'll be able to get this kind of insight..
Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody! |
Zati Pasirga
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Posted - 2011.03.02 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Anela Cistine
You realize that our directorate doesn't force us to vote for anyone in particular, right? .. ..if your username has an odd number you push one button, if your user name has an even number you push the other button.
Originally by: Anela Cistine
We used to run primaries, the problem we had was that sometimes a guy that lost the primary wouldn't drop out. This caused dumb goons to mill about in confusion, and sometimes push the wrong button. This year we are making it as goon-proof as possible, by eliminating the primaries.
So Mittani fears free speech and primary elections on goonfleet.com because he thinks goons are too stupid to vote? And what is the advantage of having 2 goon candidates that goons dont elected to candidate +some other over 2 goon candidates that goons want to candidate +some other?
@Mittani I think my questions have been to negative in the past. I respect the fact that you dont want to answer any critical questions and favor questions by bootlicker alts that allow you to describe your greatness. Lets talk about your achievements instead of asking critical questions. Could you describe what your achievements are other then destroying the tradition of primary elections for your ego-boost, letting everyone in EVE know that you think goons are too stupid to vote, losing goon systems, and ruining goons ingame in general?
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Crias Taylor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 16:40:00 -
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Halp, I'm being oppressed.
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Karadion
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Posted - 2011.03.02 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Zati Pasirga GOONS HATES DEMOCRACY! SHAME SHAME SHAME
Who cares but you? The Goonswarm don't give a flip what other people think except goonswarm. If you read https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Rules, why would Goonswarm vote for anything that counteracts their best interest? Goonswarm's political structure is this. There are directors, the CEO, fleet commanders etc and everyone follows them. It is essentially a political system which works because no one in goonswarm likes to rock the boat because they like winning fights and making you, Zati, cry because Goonswarm's politcal system does not suit you.
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Zati Pasirga
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Posted - 2011.03.02 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 02/03/2011 16:59:08
Originally by: Karadion Who cares but you?
Goons do. They just dont want to lose their membership. In fact the number of Goons caring is so big that Mr Ego-boost is afraid of free speech on goonfleet.com - not the behavior of a loved dear leader.
Originally by: Karadion Why would Goonswarm vote for anything that counteracts their best interest?
Thats what primary elections are for, to find out what is Goonswarms best interest.
Originally by: Karadion Goonswarm's political structure is this.
No, thats the new dear leader structure that Mr Ego-boost just introduced by destroying the primarys. But i dont expect you to know anything about how this was handled in the past, since you are still relative new and only fed by dear leaders views. |
Karadion
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 17:05:32
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Originally by: Karadion Who cares but you?
Goons do. They just dont want to lose their membership.
Originally by: Karadion Why would Goonswarm vote for anything that counteracts their best interest?
Thats what primary elections are for, to find out what is Goonswarms best interest.
Originally by: Karadion Goonswarm's political structure is this.
No, thats the new dear leader structure that Mr Ego-boost just introduced by destroying the primarys. But i dont expect you to know anything about how this was handled in the past, since you are still relative new and only fed by dear leaders views.
Prove it that goons care about the CSM election. I dare to you prove it. In fact, there's two threads mocking the CSM election on the goonboard announcing their not-Running for CSM campaign. You're a riot dude.
I want you to apply to Goonswarm immediately and start campaigning that Goons have a choice. Please do apply! I certainly will not sponsor you though.
Edit: I am not new to goonswarm, nice try buddy. If anything, I'm just a regular Joe Blow who will do what Dear Leader wants when I'm playing ingame. Right now, he can go take a hike because I'm at work at the moment.
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Zati Pasirga
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zati Pasirga Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 02/03/2011 16:59:08
Originally by: Karadion Who cares but you?
Goons do. They just dont want to lose their membership. In fact the number of Goons caring is so big that Mr Ego-boost is afraid of free speech on goonfleet.com - not the behavior of a loved dear leader.
Originally by: Karadion Why would Goonswarm vote for anything that counteracts their best interest?
Thats what primary elections are for, to find out what is Goonswarms best interest.
Originally by: Karadion Goonswarm's political structure is this.
No, thats the new dear leader structure that Mr Ego-boost just introduced by destroying the primarys. But i dont expect you to know anything about how this was handled in the past, since you are still relative new and only fed by dear leaders views.
Originally by: Crias Taylor Halp, I'm being oppressed.
According to your dear leader Mr Ego-boost you are not intelligent enough to vote. Just listen to him when he tells you what buttons to click and you will do fine. It requieres a certain level of intelligence to realize that you are beeing oppressed. According to Mr Mittani most of the goons dont qualify for that level.
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Karadion
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:11:00 -
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Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 17:11:51
Originally by: Zati Pasirga According to your dear leader Mr Ego-boost you are not intelligent enough to vote. Just listen to him when he tells you what buttons to click and you will do fine. It requieres a certain level of intelligence to realize that you are beeing oppressed. According to Mr Mittani most of the goons dont qualify for that level.
So? Mittani's no different either anyways so I don't see your point. Goonswarm will FOLLOW THE LEADER in a similar fashion that all Scientologist members follow David Miscavige (bad comparsion since one organization actually has decency and the other does not). As I state, it's in their best interest to keep winning, harvesting your pain and frustration. Why? Because it's fun. You're just mad that you're like a two year old not getting his way screaming "THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY!"
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Zati Pasirga
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Karadion
I want you to apply to Goonswarm immediately
No thanks. The idea of wearing a sign that im too stupid to find a descent internet-forum that does not cost dollars would embarrass me.
Originally by: Karadion
I am not new to goonswarm, nice try buddy.
I said relative new, not new.
Originally by: Karadion
I'm just a regular Joe Blow who will do what Dear Leader wants when I'm playing ingame.
I will respect that, suum cuique. But you should also respect that other goons dont want to play EVE in braindead-mode.
Originally by: Karadion because they like winning fights
Do you think that Mr Ego-boost did well with this in the past? Were Goons more or less powerful when they had primary elections? Maybe its possible that Goons were winning more fights when there were primary elections?
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Hideki Tsutomi
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:29:00 -
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Posting in a Mittani thread.
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Karadion
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 17:38:36
Originally by: Zati Pasirga No thanks. The idea of wearing a sign that im too stupid to find a descent internet-forum that does not cost dollars would embarrass me.
Wow, 10bux for permanent membership unless you are really dumb and get yourself banned in like 2 minutes because you spam "LOL" every thread there is on Something Awful.
Originally by: Zati Pasirga I said relative new, not new.
Again, I'm neither. You're basing this off my employment history but you're still wrong. Keep flailing.
Originally by: Zati Pasirga I will respect that, suum cuique. But you should also respect that other goons dont want to play EVE in braindead-mode.
That's why we have squads where people can do whatever they want to do. We don't even have call to arms like alot of alliances do because participation is voluntary and encouraged. Goons have choices? You don't say!
Quote: Do you think that Mr Ego-boost did well with this in the past? Were Goons more or less powerful when they had primary elections? Maybe its possible that Goons were winning more fights when there were primary elections?
This isn't Mittani's first time as CEO of Goonswarm. In fact this is his second time leading. Of course you know so little of the history behind Goonswarm, that you're just flailing and trying to impose some control over goonswarm which will not fly.
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Two Shots
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:55:00 -
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Look at this guy trying to get us to be offended by our own stupidity.
Two Shots Goonwaffe |
Zati Pasirga
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Posted - 2011.03.02 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Karadion 10bux for permanent membership
I guess todays generation is happy to pay it, but a lot of people who started using internet 20 years ago would never do it. Its not because the amount of money, its on principle.
Originally by: Karadion This isn't Mittani's first time as CEO of Goonswarm. In fact this is his second time leading.
Yeah but thats not the question. The question was if you think that goonswarm did well in EVE under the rule of Dear Leader Mr Ego-boost.
Originally by: Karadion you're just flailing and trying to impose some control over goonswarm which will not fly.
What kind of control? A lot of goons already started asking questions internally, which is all i wanted to achieve. |
Karadion
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Posted - 2011.03.02 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zati Pasirga What kind of control? A lot of goons already started asking questions internally, which is all i wanted to achieve.
Yes overthrow the not-Oppressive leader! Viva La Revoluci=n!
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.03.02 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Karadion Edited by: Karadion on 02/03/2011 17:11:51 Goonswarm will FOLLOW THE LEADER in a similar fashion that all Scientologist members follow David Miscavige
Originally by: Karadion That's why we have squads where people can do whatever they want to do. We don't even have call to arms like alot of alliances do because participation is voluntary and encouraged. Goons have choices? You don't say!
Do what you want to do, as long as what you want to do is follow the leader.
ItÆs one thing to follow an fc in a combat situation or a leader on a strategic level. That is agreed. But being told how to vote about the direction of a spaceship game?
I don't think goons are oppressed. No one forces them to do this. It is just amazing to me how many people are so eager to fill that submissive role for some other individual's gain. We shall see how the votes come in.
CCP creates a game where you are immortal and can be whatever you want in this science fiction universe. Result: Thousands of people decide they would like to be storm troopers ruled by a self-described ruthless manipulative metrosexual bastard. Not only in-game but even meta-game.
I can't say I understand it, but it is interesting.
-Cearain
Make fw occupancy pvp instead of pve: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906 |
Dramaticus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:04:00 -
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a bunch of like minded individuals follow another like minded individual we are literally all zombies now
Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
Two Shots
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:04:00 -
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What gain do you see someone getting out of being in the CSM other than Internet space ship celebrity status?
Two Shots Goonwaffe |
ACESsiggy
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:44:00 -
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What a tool.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer
Interesting campaign. I'm intrigued by the reasoning to do 'good for all' by getting some teeth onto the CSM (technical teeth in regards to haggling with CCP).
The only question I got for The Mittani is this: What do you do if you find that the problem lies within CCP itself(*).. it's internal communication and organisational structure? What are you gonna do?
*) My thoughts here run along the lines of: 'No matter what you do or achieve, CCP itself is in trouble'. I mean, I don't believe you can change the corporate structure of CCP. On the other hand I don't even think you'll be able to get this kind of insight..
A few pages back I mentioned my concern that the issue might be one of managerial technique, since based on some of what I've heard from past CSMs, CCP doesn't appear to have any real best practices system at the coding level. This might have something to do with the reliance on the flavor of the month scrum/agile setup.
There might also be some issues with institutional memory or lack thereof since the firm has expanded massively in the past two years. People like Oveur and Torfi have been there for ages, but there's a lot of mid-level newdevs who have only been kicking around for a year tops.
This is my most serious concern, that all of this - the backlogs, the bugs, the half-implemented features, the schizophrenic development cycle - is a symptom of a hidden disease. That the reason why the CSMs have only gotten a few peripheral things done is that the underlying causes haven't been identified or dealt with.
In which case it's a 'simple matter' (heavy sarcasm, for those who do not understand scare quotes) of diagnosing the methods by which the dev teams interact and communicate (or don't) best practices and focus attention on that.
Sins of a Solar Spymaster TheMittani on Twitter |
General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos En Garde
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Posted - 2011.03.02 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: General Windypops on 02/03/2011 20:24:20
Originally by: The Mittani the issue might be.... based on some of what I've heard... doesn't appear to... this might have something to do with ... there might also be some issues in which case...
Have you worked out what this great big 'lie' is that we're supposedly being told yet? Because so far your entire campaign seems to based on raging against some massive elusive problem that you're not able to identify let alone solve. Just look how little clarity there was in your post above. All I can gather is that you're really angry about:
a) the 'System' (you hate systems) b) Minutes (you hate minutes) b) Bringing in fresh talent with new skills to CCP (god forbid that recruitment's a good thing) c) Some as yet undefined 'communication problem' (the precise problem here seems to change a lot)
Oh, and jump bridges. You're very very angry about jump bridges.
If you really are such a fan of honesty, Mittens, then practice what you preacha and admit you're doing this for political purposes.
Please resize your signature to no more than 120 x 400 pixels. - Adida Twitter:@genrlwindypops
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