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OhThis GuyAgain
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Posted - 2011.03.01 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Originally by: OhThis GuyAgain Why aren't you making promises to those living in Empire that CCP will never fulfill and just add to the backlog?
Well, when you put it that way...
Maybe I should be clearer. I understand that making wild empty promises to pander to our dreams is silly. There are indeed many candidates promising those in High- and Low- Sec players "oh I'll fix this for you and improve this and do that", but those aren't the people I (or any other thinking Eve citizen) consider as better options.
It's the other candidates who recognize the need to be realistic, but as Empire-experienced and Empire-dwelling players also understand and are directly interested in improving the parts of the game that those who aren't in Null-Sec are very concerned about.
Because, let's face it: even if The Mittani and Co. fix the CSM, they're going to try as hard as possible to address the issues that concern them most--the things that are the biggest and most unbalanced issues... for them. That's all well and good, and the 0.0 people should have every reason to vote for him (them?). However, the rest of us are ideally looking for someone who isn't about making empty promises, but at least has the concerns of Empire players dear to their hearts.
So sure, even if we've "seen the light" and are disillusioned about CSM candidates who promise to "fix game feature X" and "improve game detail Y", we still look at The Mittani and see... someone who cares very much about Eve... as it applies to him living in 0.0.
So in this context (and not "promise to fix this or that"), I ask: In what ways would the average Empire player see the benefits of voting for you? How will a CSM with The Mittani in it help alleviate the issues that are relatively unique to the Space of gate guns and CONCORD? |
EnderCapitalG
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.01 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: OhThis GuyAgain
Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Originally by: OhThis GuyAgain Why aren't you making promises to those living in Empire that CCP will never fulfill and just add to the backlog?
Well, when you put it that way...
Maybe I should be clearer. I understand that making wild empty promises to pander to our dreams is silly. There are indeed many candidates promising those in High- and Low- Sec players "oh I'll fix this for you and improve this and do that", but those aren't the people I (or any other thinking Eve citizen) consider as better options.
It's the other candidates who recognize the need to be realistic, but as Empire-experienced and Empire-dwelling players also understand and are directly interested in improving the parts of the game that those who aren't in Null-Sec are very concerned about.
Because, let's face it: even if The Mittani and Co. fix the CSM, they're going to try as hard as possible to address the issues that concern them most--the things that are the biggest and most unbalanced issues... for them. That's all well and good, and the 0.0 people should have every reason to vote for him (them?). However, the rest of us are ideally looking for someone who isn't about making empty promises, but at least has the concerns of Empire players dear to their hearts.
So sure, even if we've "seen the light" and are disillusioned about CSM candidates who promise to "fix game feature X" and "improve game detail Y", we still look at The Mittani and see... someone who cares very much about Eve... as it applies to him living in 0.0.
So in this context (and not "promise to fix this or that"), I ask: In what ways would the average Empire player see the benefits of voting for you? How will a CSM with The Mittani in it help alleviate the issues that are relatively unique to the Space of gate guns and CONCORD?
It's been stated multiple times that the CSM isn't for solving issues or really bringing them up with CCP (Again, the massive backlog). It's a sounding board that CCP bounces ideas off of. Also, we know how Empire currently is as most of us have alts that live in Empire along with ours in 0.0 (This is because you can't live in 0.0 without Empire due to the currently broken mechanics of 0.0) so it's not like anyone would advocate CCP trying to dismantle Empire or nerf it.
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OhThis GuyAgain
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: EnderCapitalG
It's been stated multiple times that the CSM isn't for solving issues or really bringing them up with CCP (Again, the massive backlog). It's a sounding board that CCP bounces ideas off of. Also, we know how Empire currently is as most of us have alts that live in Empire along with ours in 0.0 (This is because you can't live in 0.0 without Empire due to the currently broken mechanics of 0.0) so it's not like anyone would advocate CCP trying to dismantle Empire or nerf it.
That may be true, but I have serious issues if this is the entirety of The Mittani's official stance regarding my concerns. |
Gewrixlera
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Boogaloo Sounds like you and your jerrymandering cronies have got this whole thing stitched up.
Throwing around words that don't mean what you think doesn't make you look smart.
Originally by: Merrian Webster Dictionary Gerrymander
- to divide (a territorial unit) into election districts to give one political party an electoral majority in a large number of districts while concentrating the voting strength of the opposition in as few districts as possible
to divide (an area) into political units to give special advantages to one group <gerrymander a school district>
Goons can't Gerrymander the election. They can vote as a bloc, but so can any group of players with a cohesive membership and a candidate to stand behind. Fearmongering is for crappy U.S. news networks. Leave it there "Boogaloo".
Originally by: Captain'o'Captain Now mitten's mighty "powerbloc" took somewhat 4 months to beat the same guys. I mean IT didn't even fight for delve. Now this is just my opinion, but it seems more like that mitten's coalition was kicking a dead dog, calling that a victory is just.. well... pathetic.
Do you even know how sov warfare works in either the present or past iterations? IT was a dead horse - but they owned Fountain, Delve, and Querious for months in that state, and the only reason they still don't is because the CF went and brought down the rickety framework holding up the IT scarecrow. Four months? I'm pretty sure the Fountain/Delve invasion started in January (or at most late December), that's two (at most three) months by those of us who still live on a Gregorian calendar, and the last month hasn't been filled with battles, it's been filled with mops and buckets.
On topic, I find the attitude of The Mittani refreshing, and no, my main isn't a Goon or a TESTie. If you paid attention to the blogs of the CSM V folks, and their attitudes even here in the forums, you would realize that his position is much closer to reality than the "I'm going to save LoSec for my Pirate Buddies" candidates. Although I think he'll still come back beaten down by the internal BS of a game development corporation, he's going to last longer than the others with the attitude he's got. In addition, Goons aren't here to ruin EVE. They claim to love playing the game. In fact, former Goons even work at CCP already, so their love of the game itself isn't in question. If you don't like the fact that nullsec is tired of being trod upon by an empire-focused CSM, that says more about your lack of understanding of a huge aspect of this game, than their desire to enjoy a game they pay to play.
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Aerthan
Gallente Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:29:00 -
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I support this product and/or service.
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Zati Pasirga
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:29:00 -
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Hello Mittani
I want to know why you hate free speech and democrazy and if you believe that your hate for free speech makes you a good CSM candidate? Will you allow other goons to pick their goon-candidates in the future or will you continue to tell everyone who to vote like this year? Will you allow other goons to write in the goonforum about their CSM campaign in the future or will you continue to threat them with a kick out of goonswarm because you hate free speech and democrazy?
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Mynxee
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Mynxee on 01/03/2011 16:06:10
Originally by: EnderCapitalG It's been stated multiple times that the CSM isn't for solving issues or really bringing them up with CCP (Again, the massive backlog). It's a sounding board that CCP bounces ideas off of.
The assertion that the CSM is nothing but a focus group is flat-out wrong. CSM is a stakeholder, a status given it by CCP. As such, the CSM has an obligation to be proactive--which can be very tough given the communications obstacles that must often be dealt with.
But the CSM being proactive CAN get results. Off the top of my head, a few examples: skill queue (CSM4), recent UI changes, prioritization crowdsourcing which prompted the allocation of Team BFF to spend the current development cycle fixing annoying potholes, and limiting of microtransactions to vanity items. The CSM pushed for these things convincingly and CCP responded positively (despite initial resistance in some cases). While such victories may not have been as frequent as we would have liked, CSM5 proved that proactive, professional behavior combined with appropriate pressure management can get **** done.
No doubt there are some within CCP that would prefer the CSM be just a focus group, but until or unless CCP diminishes CSM's status from stakeholder to focus group, proactive efforts to bring issues to CCP's attention and insistence on participating in discussion about how to address them is not only the CSM's prerogative as a stakeholder, but its obligation as a representative of the community.
Chair, CSM5
CSM6 Page on Facebook--keep up with all candidates in one place! |
Turina Hollow
Shiloh Technologies NE CEDE MALIS.
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Posted - 2011.03.01 19:26:00 -
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Mittani for CSM
The No BS approach is better than all the rest
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Han Pos
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Posted - 2011.03.01 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee The assertion that the CSM is nothing but a focus group is flat-out wrong. CSM is a stakeholder, a status given it by CCP.
Wait...people actually believe this?
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Dacil Arandur
Cognitive Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.01 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Han Pos
Originally by: Mynxee The assertion that the CSM is nothing but a focus group is flat-out wrong. CSM is a stakeholder, a status given it by CCP.
Wait...people actually believe this?
By "people" you mean the current chair of the CSM? I'm thinking Mynxee would be in a pretty good position to know...
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Gamer Gyrl
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Posted - 2011.03.01 19:38:00 -
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The Mittani has my vote. He's an attractive and passionate man.
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Largo Coronet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.01 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani holy god pause the thread everyone go look at this at first i was just 'who is this toolshed' and it opened up a yawning gulf of ever-increasing idiocy
there's poetry in there
I added 20 lbs. & an extra chin to my mental image of this person with every piece of poetry I read. Worst pilot in Goonfleet.
There's a herd of killer rabbits coming this way, and we need your help! |
Mynxee
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.01 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mynxee on 01/03/2011 19:49:14
Originally by: Han Pos
Originally by: Mynxee The assertion that the CSM is nothing but a focus group is flat-out wrong. CSM is a stakeholder, a status given it by CCP.
Wait...people actually believe this?
Let's just say that since CCP gave us the name, we were determined to try and play the CSM game accordingly--even severely hampered by a lot of factors that don't affect any other stakeholder group inside CCP and well aware of the differences between all of them and the CSM. It will be interesting to see how CSM6's take on "stakeholder" status shapes up after they take office and how they choose to leverage it...or not.
Chair, CSM5
CSM6 Page on Facebook--keep up with all candidates in one place! |
Orithien Veladorn
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.01 20:00:00 -
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I support this product and/or service...
... because, i, too, want a special Hulk that fires disco lasers while it mines.
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Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.01 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Skunk Gracklaw on 01/03/2011 20:00:34
Originally by: Mynxee It will be interesting to see how CSM6's take on "stakeholder" status shapes up after they take office and how they choose to leverage it...or not.
How could they leverage it? There is no mechanism in place to do so. The whole stakeholder thing is a meaningless gesture by CCP and in real-world terms it has zero effect on the future of the game.
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Lady Spanky
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.03.01 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Turina Hollow Mittani for CSM
The No BS approach is better than all the rest
Shame that the 'No BS' approach Mittani desperately claims to have doesn't extend to being honest about the fact that he and his cronies are trying to stitch up the CSM for their own political interests.
But hey, if you're criminally gullible and want to believe him then more fool you. I don't thinks he's actually managed to clearly express what 'lies' he thinks the CSM has been telling to date...
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Boogaloo
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Posted - 2011.03.01 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gewrixlera
Originally by: Boogaloo Sounds like you and your jerrymandering cronies have got this whole thing stitched up.
Throwing around words that don't mean what you think doesn't make you look smart.
Originally by: Merrian Webster Dictionary Gerrymander
- to divide (a territorial unit) into election districts to give one political party an electoral majority in a large number of districts while concentrating the voting strength of the opposition in as few districts as possible
to divide (an area) into political units to give special advantages to one group <gerrymander a school district>
Goons can't Gerrymander the election. They can vote as a bloc, but so can any group of players with a cohesive membership and a candidate to stand behind. Fearmongering is for crappy U.S. news networks. Leave it there "Boogaloo".
Hi Mittens fanboi! Shame you only know one of the definitions of the word jerrymandering.
vb 1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) to divide the constituencies of (a voting area) so as to give one party an unfair advantage 2. to manipulate or adapt to one's advantage
Haha, you look stupid on an internet forum!
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.01 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani holy god pause the thread everyone go look at this at first i was just 'who is this toolshed' and it opened up a yawning gulf of ever-increasing idiocy
there's poetry in there
dear page seven: did you look at this yet?
Originally by: OhThis GuyAgain
So, when the rest of Eve looks at The Mittani running for CSM, and consider the benefits of voting you in, what should we be thinking about?
The purpose of my candidacy is to attempt to fix the CSM itself by trying to solve the CCP/CSM communication problems, either through chutzpah or bastardry, I'm not sure which. If you're a 'features' voter you're not going to vote for me; you're going to vote for some guy who will promise you features to be upvotes, which will promptly be upvoted into the backlog and forgotten.
What you might ask yourself is this: what nifty Empire-related features have already been upvoted by CSM1-CSM5 that are languishing in development hell because the CSM isn't an effective advocate?
Mynxee points out that the CSM is nominally a stakeholder in CCP's eyes. Yet in practice it is only treated like a stakeholder when it suits CCP to do so. That power could be grown into a real voice, depending on how it's played.
Originally by: Zati Pasirga Hello Mittani
I want to know why you hate free speech and democrazy and if you believe that your hate for free speech makes you a good CSM candidate? Will you allow other goons to pick their goon-candidates in the future or will you continue to tell everyone who to vote like this year? Will you allow other goons to write in the goonforum about their CSM campaign in the future or will you continue to threat them with a kick out of goonswarm because you hate free speech and democrazy?
Mittani, could you please explain why you destroyed the tradition of goon primary elections just to make sure that you can boost your ego on a 2nd class flight to iceland guaranteed?
Please explain why you support botting in the goon region and how you supporting botting could affect your CSM run and your relationship to CCP who are against botting?
the idea of you vibrating with frustration as you mashed that out on your keyboard just brought a smile to my face; i can only hope that this reply equally enrages you
Originally by: Skunk Gracklaw How could they leverage it? There is no mechanism in place to do so. The whole stakeholder thing is a meaningless gesture by CCP and in real-world terms it has zero effect on the future of the game.
off the top of my head:
personal lobbying of sympathetic devs increasing dev/csm communication on both the csm forums and elsewhere getting the forum mod rules changed such that discussion of csm-related activities aren't mired in this backwater subforum media relations: spotlighting issues and problems the csm is encountering crushing scandals and idiocy from the CSM itself so that they don't distract from the message
it's pretty easy for CCP to blow off the CSM if people are stockpiling thulium or trying to yoink corporate secrets, let's not delude ourselves by suggesting that past CSMs are 'perfect victims' of CCP
Sins of a Solar Spymaster TheMittani on Twitter |
digi
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Posted - 2011.03.01 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: digi on 01/03/2011 23:51:38 Edited by: digi on 01/03/2011 23:51:15 Edited by: digi on 01/03/2011 23:50:38 Dear Pubbies,
I can compare this years CSM election to a perilous time in American History where a subset of the population was discriminated upon for their lack of education, their cheap work ethic and even the color of their skin. This period of history was class warfare at its finest and two regions of the United States waged a terrible and costly war to settle on the right of the State to endure the law of the united republic where democracy was said to reign supreme.
This terrible war wages on at CCP and you, pubbies, are the slaves. Democracy has failed you, much like your forefathers. You are slave to a game about internet spaceships, this Eve Online. You are chained to its features, to its content, and to its bugs. When CCP fails you, you have no recourse except to sing your low sorrowful song. When CCP breaks the database, your cries for freedom go unheard. When the logs show nothing, you, dear pubbie, are powerless to redress.
Let our candidate empower you. Elect a Honest Mitten to stand on his no BS policy and declare your rights to CCP.
You deserve a great game. You deserve a real wage, not slavery. You need someone to stand up for you and fight for what is right. You need a Mitten that will unite this previously paralyzed circle of incompetents known as the CSM. The CSM can be strong with the right direction but all previous actions are for naught. I have analyzed the results of those attempts, I have seen what the previous councils have done for you. They have done nothing but appease your smallish immediate desires. If you want real change, you will elect someone strong, someone honest, someone who will not turn his back at Ford's Theater to receive a bullet to the head, but rather meet your adversaries head on with guns blazing while riding a bear made of spite and steel.
You need this. Put aside your trolling, put aside your anger, and channel true change for the game we all love, this cottonpicking Eve Online.
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Kuar Z'thain
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.01 23:58:00 -
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Digital Herpes
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Zati Pasirga
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Posted - 2011.03.02 00:11:00 -
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Hello Mittani
You accidently forgot to answer my questions, so i will summarize the most important ones:
1)Why do you think that the tradition of primary elections in goonswarm was bad and why you cancelled them to put yourself on #1? 2)Why you threat Kalrand with removal of writing rights and/or kick out of goonswarm if he posts in SA about his CSM campaign? 3)Since you believe that you are cool and bright enough to think for all other goons, is it not possible to let them at least elect the 2nd place or is it too dangerous, considering the low popularity of Vile Rat? 4)Why do you support botting inside goon territory and do you plan to change that if you get elected for CSM?
Thank you for taking the time to answer concerns of the voters.
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BlueDiamonds
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 00:17:00 -
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I support this product and/or service. |
Kalrand
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zati Pasirga Hello Mittani
2)Why you threat Kalrand with removal of writing rights and/or kick out of goonswarm if he posts in SA about his CSM campaign?
FYI: The Mittani has no authority on SA, only on goonfleet.com.
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MoonglumX
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Posted - 2011.03.02 00:40:00 -
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I just want to know what your plan B is if you are unsuccessful as CSM chairman. If you unite the CSM, get it organized, and still see no progress, what then? Will you just say "sorry guys, I tried my best", or will you do what needs to be done? If after 6 CSMs there has been no improvement I think CSM should be dismantled and the charade ended.
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Zati Pasirga
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Posted - 2011.03.02 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 02/03/2011 00:41:08
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Zati Pasirga Hello Mittani
2)Why you threat Kalrand with removal of writing rights and/or kick out of goonswarm if he posts in SA about his CSM campaign?
FYI: The Mittani has no authority on SA, only on goonfleet.com.
Thanks, edited.
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Hello Mittani
You accidently forgot to answer my questions, so i will summarize the most important ones:
1)Why do you think that the tradition of primary elections in goonswarm was bad and why you cancelled them to put yourself on #1? 2)Why you threat Kalrand with removal of writing rights and/or kick out of goonswarm if he posts on goonfleet.com about his CSM campaign? 3)Since you believe that you are cool and bright enough to think for all other goons, is it not possible to let them at least elect the 2nd place or is it too dangerous, considering the low popularity of Vile Rat? 4)Why do you support botting inside goon territory and do you plan to change that if you get elected for CSM?
Thank you for taking the time to answer concerns of the voters.
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Enriana Shlirapen
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Posted - 2011.03.02 00:59:00 -
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The Mittani is a spineless confused nerd. His tactic is to present himself as a strong leader when in fact he is not at all. The fact that he is leading goons atm says something about the state of goons, not The Mittani's abilities. Gone are the romantic notions of **** the system. What goons have now is a calculating disturbed post-teen snake, who confuses napping the entirety of eve with being rational in a broken game. This is a nerd who confessed there are exquisite pleasures to be had in griefing people out of this game. People who are obviously hilariously ******ed ofc.
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Two Shots
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Enriana Shli****n The Mittani is a spineless confused nerd. His tactic is to present himself as a strong leader when in fact he is not at all. The fact that he is leading goons atm says something about the state of goons, not The Mittani's abilities. Gone are the romantic notions of **** the system. What goons have now is a calculating disturbed post-teen snake, who confuses napping the entirety of eve with being rational in a broken game. This is a nerd who confessed there are exquisite pleasures to be had in griefing people out of this game. People who are obviously hilariously ******ed ofc.
Flattery will get you nowhere, I have LARPing and a puppy to fill the void that you just can't hit right.
Two Shots Goonwaffe |
Enriana Shlirapen
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Posted - 2011.03.02 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Two Shots
Originally by: Enriana Shli****n The Mittani is a spineless confused nerd. His tactic is to present himself as a strong leader when in fact he is not at all. The fact that he is leading goons atm says something about the state of goons, not The Mittani's abilities. Gone are the romantic notions of **** the system. What goons have now is a calculating disturbed post-teen snake, who confuses napping the entirety of eve with being rational in a broken game. This is a nerd who confessed there are exquisite pleasures to be had in griefing people out of this game. People who are obviously hilariously ******ed ofc.
Flattery will get you nowhere, I have LARPing and a puppy to fill the void that you just can't hit right.
This may be too hard for you so let me rephrase. The Mittani is an idiot and all who follow him even more.
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Airborne Ninja
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.02 03:11:00 -
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heh
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Jive Burkey
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Posted - 2011.03.02 03:13:00 -
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ima pour a forty on the sidewalk for my ***** "the mittani" i suggest y'all do the same. sho'nuff
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