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Ralnik Alpha Squad	Posted - 2011.03.03 01:15:00 - [61] Edited by: Ralnik on 03/03/2011 01:20:24 Originally by: Azelor Delaria There are no good fights. There may have been weeks and months ago, but there are none. Minmatar know they overrun Amarr at night. It's when they come out. They camp Huola 24th Imperial Crusade station and smack in local, expecting a fight. They may pick off a few dumbasses every now and again, but once it hits US primetime, Amarr just falls back to carebearing and ignoring intelligence passed around in general militia chat. Hell, even intel channels are lacking in recon! And it's really no better during the AU/EU timezones! Any time we warn people of a possible fight, there's still very few willing to put their ships on the line. It's to the point, as I said, that a few Amarr FW corporations have been talking about dropping from the militia altogether and heading to the Caldari front, or simply keeping the Empire tag and heading over to fight the Gallente. No one expects good fights. The Amarr are always worried about that blob they know to be there. Also, this evening an IFW/CTRL-Q gang engaged in Huola. They brought a Vaga and several frigates, as well as a SFI. When Amarr began to - for the first time in weeks - put together a gang of comparable size (our gang consisted of eight people compared to their six), they were quick to jump back to Kourmonen. They waited and pulled together almost 20 people in order to take a 9-man gang. "Good fight," they said in local. "It wasn't good, you guys pussed out and ran!" was our response. "Couldn't leave it at equal numbers?" "We weren't taking on two battlecruisers with cruisers and frigates." It seems that Minmatards need the superior firepower as well as numbers. I remember in the Gallente militia we made it almost common to engage Caldari battleship fleets in battlecruisers, and with less numbers. And we'd win. May I remind you that Amarr used to do the exact same thing in Auga & Dal and hell probably still does for all I know. All the station camping *gotory is why my old corp finally left the Minm/Amarr fight and went to Cal/Gal. The fighting went to absolute ** because of all the blob tards that wouldn't leave the Auga to Huola pipe line, doing little but bait and station hump. Which left very little of anything out in the back systems except for mission runners and ceptor/dram pilots that always ran at the drop of a hat. The fighting turned to crap because that's all any of you were willing to do. That's both Amarr & Minmatar whom, are to blame for your current situation.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.03.03 04:24:00 - [62] Stop talking about shooting and start doing it ffs. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
David Devant Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.03.03 09:14:00 - [63] I'm pretty disappointed by all this in honesty. I like a nice forum smackwar as much as the next man. However no one seems to be referring to my initial post. Let me clarify... Post DT. Today. I will try to form a cruiser sized fleet to go plexing. Please come shoot at us. It will be fun. Also. I still have no idea who you are satelizerw/e. But I am impressed! Byeee
rodensteiner Amarr OMGROFLSTOMP	Posted - 2011.03.03 13:44:00 - [64] Confirming that since joining FW, I've spent more time roaming 0.0 because there I can actually find something to shoot at! I don't have as many issues with blobs as they are somewhat the norm in EVE wherever you may go. My gripe is more about the utter lack of targets! When I do log on and hunt around FW lowsec space, I only ever seem to see the occasional stealthbomber as it jumps a gate, other than that, everyone seems to be docked Also, I could blame Azn, but that'd be too obvious... _____________________________________________ I'm horrible at PVP
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2011.03.03 14:36:00 - [65] Originally by: David Devant I'm pretty disappointed by all this in honesty. I like a nice forum smackwar as much as the next man. However no one seems to be referring to my initial post. Let me clarify... Post DT. Today. I will try to form a cruiser sized fleet to go plexing. Please come shoot at us. It will be fun. Also. I still have no idea who you are satelizerw/e. But I am impressed! Byeee I find plexing as interesting as mining tbo, allthough mining pays a better isk/hour.
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid	Posted - 2011.03.03 14:38:00 - [66] Originally by: rodensteiner When I do log on and hunt around FW lowsec space, I only ever seem to see the occasional stealthbomber as it jumps a gate, other than that, everyone seems to be docked Outside of auga, kourm, huola there are usually very few war targets other than missionfarmers, who cloak the moment you enter local. I've started looking a bit further afield when I go roaming by myself.
David Devant Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.03.03 14:56:00 - [67] Originally by: Dunn Idaho Originally by: David Devant I'm pretty disappointed by all this in honesty. I like a nice forum smackwar as much as the next man. However no one seems to be referring to my initial post. Let me clarify... Post DT. Today. I will try to form a cruiser sized fleet to go plexing. Please come shoot at us. It will be fun. Also. I still have no idea who you are satelizerw/e. But I am impressed! Byeee I find plexing as interesting as mining tbo, allthough mining pays a better isk/hour. It's basically a way of trying to get an even fight. Hello we are 10 cruisers sat in space come and shoot at us. Apparently no one wants to. Unless you can bait them and then warp in 10 BCs you're not interested.
BattleStar Crusader Amarr Absinthe Brothers	Posted - 2011.03.03 19:39:00 - [68] I completely agree David. The warzone has become rather stagnent for the EU guys. There are just so many of us, and so many seperate fleets fighting for kills. I had made a promise to invest more time in SUB BC fleets. And I have kept to my promise when I run the fleets. I understand that there are two sides to the story and we complain that you don't fight. You complain that we blob. Endless cycles Tbh I don't blame you for not fighting. If i were in your situations I would not fight something that we will never have a chance agasint. But that also, that being said, you know I don't shy away forma fight and will engage against the odd more than other :) Either way, plans are in motion within AB-C to make things more interesting in the warzone :) I think the Minmatar and Amarr will benefit greatly from it and many many good fights will ensue. P.S your ruptures suck agasint the super thin OMEN ;)
Aznwithbeard Minmatar OMGROFLSTOMP	Posted - 2011.03.03 20:15:00 - [69] Edited by: Aznwithbeard on 03/03/2011 20:15:31 Originally by: BattleStar Crusader I completely agree David. The warzone has become rather stagnent for the EU guys. There are just so many of us, and so many seperate fleets fighting for kills. I had made a promise to invest more time in SUB BC fleets. And I have kept to my promise when I run the fleets. I understand that there are two sides to the story and we complain that you don't fight. You complain that we blob. Endless cycles Tbh I don't blame you for not fighting. If i were in your situations I would not fight something that we will never have a chance agasint. But that also, that being said, you know I don't shy away forma fight and will engage against the odd more than other :) Either way, plans are in motion within AB-C to make things more interesting in the warzone :) I think the Minmatar and Amarr will benefit greatly from it and many many good fights will ensue. P.S your ruptures suck agasint the super thin OMEN ;) ^^ seems legit.... like I have dropped in other topics, if you see me online, PM me, ill do my best to sc**** together a fleet and FC and we can always stage some x vs x fights..... edit: they literally blocked s-c-r-a-p-e- wth.
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.03.03 23:28:00 - [70] Edited by: Mutnin on 03/03/2011 23:35:30 Originally by: Machiavelli's Nemesis Originally by: rodensteiner When I do log on and hunt around FW lowsec space, I only ever seem to see the occasional stealthbomber as it jumps a gate, other than that, everyone seems to be docked Outside of auga, kourm, huola there are usually very few war targets other than missionfarmers, who cloak the moment you enter local. I've started looking a bit further afield when I go roaming by myself. The problem is it used to not be like that. Back a year or so ago, you used to be able to get decent fights here and there roaming the back systems on the Amarr/Min front. TBH, I dunno why it changed to what it is now, but it's a shame because those back systems on the Amarr side of the map, used to be my favorite area to roam. It was a nice smallish area that was like 2 circles that made covering the whole area pretty easy in a short amount of time. That was the last area I could really solo with out the use of a scout. I used to be able to fly around in a Vexor, Arbi , Myrm or what ever and typically not run into massive blobs or gate camps and get decent fights.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.03.04 00:28:00 - [71] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 04/03/2011 00:30:45 Originally by: Mutnin That was the last area I could really solo with out the use of a scout. I used to be able to fly around in a Vexor, Arbi , Myrm or what ever and typically not run into massive blobs or gate camps and get decent fights. Uh, I still solo roam the whole Amarr/Minnie FW area, with Liang and other alts spanning both sides of the conflict. It's not as bad as you make it out to be. -Liang Ed: Also, I agree that the Amarr side is better for solo roams... by a little bit. :) -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Merdaneth Amarr Angel Wing.	Posted - 2011.03.04 00:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Mutnin The problem is it used to not be like that. Back a year or so ago, you used to be able to get decent fights here and there roaming the back systems on the Amarr/Min front. TBH, I dunno why it changed to what it is now, but it's a shame because those back systems on the Amarr side of the map, used to be my favorite area to roam. It was a nice smallish area that was like 2 circles that made covering the whole area pretty easy in a short amount of time. That was the last area I could really solo with out the use of a scout. I used to be able to fly around in a Vexor, Arbi , Myrm or what ever and typically not run into massive blobs or gate camps and get decent fights. Plexing has died even more, meaning less engable pilots are about. Fewer new pilots come into FW. Experienced pilots roaming in faction frigs make it a killing grounds for less experienced pilots without similar skills flying cruisers and frigates and the like. Most pilots just stay docked waiting for the other side to field a fleet. Sometimes there are less than 10 hostiles active in the entire area. Many hostiles that are active aren't willing to engage at a risk, meaning flyby's, staring contests and docking contests. I've taken to flying into hostile high-sec to find at least some targets in space. Because activity in general is dropping, its harder to find targets, which causes even less activity ad nauseam. ____ The Illusion of Freedom \| The Truth about Slavery
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.03.04 00:44:00 - [73] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 04/03/2011 00:30:45 Originally by: Mutnin That was the last area I could really solo with out the use of a scout. I used to be able to fly around in a Vexor, Arbi , Myrm or what ever and typically not run into massive blobs or gate camps and get decent fights. Uh, I still solo roam the whole Amarr/Minnie FW area, with Liang and other alts spanning both sides of the conflict. It's not as bad as you make it out to be. -Liang Ed: Also, I agree that the Amarr side is better for solo roams... by a little bit. :) Yea, but you pretty much flew nothing but interceptors & slicers if I remember correctly. I'm talking about getting fights and soloing with cruisers and BC's.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.03.04 00:55:00 - [74] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 04/03/2011 00:55:08 Originally by: Mutnin Yea, but you pretty much flew nothing but interceptors & slicers if I remember correctly. I'm talking about getting fights and soloing with cruisers and BC's. Then you remember wrong. I mostly fly logistics ships... but solo I tend to fly anything from a Crusader to a Rupture to a Drake. I've even gone roaming about in a Hyperion a few times. -Liang Ed: Mostly Ruptures and Drakes tbh. As a flashy flashy pirate, frigs are of very limited utility to me. -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
N'aryl	Posted - 2011.03.04 09:56:00 - [75] Edited by: N''aryl on 04/03/2011 09:56:46 I decided a few days ago to finally get my first PvP experience and join FW. My first pick for a base of operations, from a quick glance at the maps, was Huola. But one evening there was all I needed to know. That's not what I want. I since moved my stuff some systems farther into the FW zone. If all goes well, I'll be starting to solo roam a bit and fill the killboards with Executioner losses this weekend. Though I hope I can find some fights that last long enough to at least learn something. I could fly some sturdier stuff, but my wallet just says no. Edit: EU TZ btw.
Karl Planck Walt Disney Productions	Posted - 2011.03.04 13:59:00 - [76] All of this ranting is pretty misplaced. I find fights ALL THE TIME. FW, pirate, w/e. Its hilarious to see what seem people bring to the table and are surprised about not getting fights. A zealot with calvary next door. Pack of drams. BC fleet. Its why most of the tards don't leave korm/huola. I fly in a solo frig or cruiser and have no problem finding solo or small gangs to fight. That said, EU tz is a lot better for it. For reasons I can't quite put my finger on the minnies in the US TZ (Im US TZ) wont fight without superior number, at all. They all seem to travel in packs and refuse to fight unless they are trapped. Not quite sure what has led to this behavior, but it is a bit weak. In any case, get out in something small and go spread your plex's out. Lots of fights to be had. Amarr/Min front is A LOT better than caldari/gal front (or at least where they were 6 months ago) The only gripe I have is an old one, i wish the plexes would spawn randomly throughout the day instead of in the morning, i think this is what is really causing the blobs in the ustz, but i could be wrong. ------------------------------------------------- Don't debate with morons. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2011.03.04 14:19:00 - [77] Originally by: David Devant Originally by: Dunn Idaho Originally by: David Devant I'm pretty disappointed by all this in honesty. I like a nice forum smackwar as much as the next man. However no one seems to be referring to my initial post. Let me clarify... Post DT. Today. I will try to form a cruiser sized fleet to go plexing. Please come shoot at us. It will be fun. Also. I still have no idea who you are satelizerw/e. But I am impressed! Byeee I find plexing as interesting as mining tbo, allthough mining pays a better isk/hour. It's basically a way of trying to get an even fight. Hello we are 10 cruisers sat in space come and shoot at us. Apparently no one wants to. Unless you can bait them and then warp in 10 BCs you're not interested. Well i'm doing my part by staying away from the area for the time beeing . And you should know that i do really enjoy fighting outnumbered, cause thats where the challenge is. Back when we first joined, minnies where more numerus than amarr, and it was a blast.
Muad 'dib Caldari The Imperial Fedaykin	Posted - 2011.03.04 15:16:00 - [78] It seems like the number of active pvpers is simply lower, i guess everyone is carebearing for isk since the good fights are rare atm. I dont know if thats lack of leadership, lack of isk, lack of active pilots or whatever else, it just seems really quiet this last few weeks. Meep Meep!
Saint Evonivon	Posted - 2011.03.04 15:30:00 - [79] Personally I think it would be nice if the mini's would just agree to to stop camping the kourm/huola gate 18/7 of the time. Let us move around and make small fleets to go pvp with. The "we only fight when we can gank" camp on that gate is getting old. That's my only real problem. The point has already been made about the shipping up subject so ya just the camps is my only emo rage. Sure the noobs in our militia keep throwing themselves to die at that gate and i'm sure you guys are having fun with that. Thing is though its blocking some people from wanting to operate in the area. I mean sure zero's frig fleets buzz around auga for like 2 hours and kinda shut things down but its only like 2 hours then its over. If you want to camp a gate like that plz go to null sec. There you can camp and gank till your blue in the face. Same **** with the Ezzur/Hof gate I've gone up there a few times looking to pew pew and bloody thrasher camps + big stuff support at times is just a pain. Enough with the camping please I want to hunt.
tagen young Caldari The Night Witch	Posted - 2011.03.04 15:50:00 - [80] something I've noticed on the Minnie side is the number of new recruits joining and the first thing they ask about are missions. typically there are 130-200 people online but only a small fraction of these are actually looking for pvp. The same must also apply with the Amarr. Those minmatar late night blobs that people talk about are typically 5-10 people while 20-25 amarr are being camped in Houla by a few minmatar pilots. During these quiet times it seems both sides only have a double of dozen fighters in space.
David Devant Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.03.04 15:57:00 - [81] Thanks for starting to post Amarrian pig dogs! I wonder if part of the problem is that players are too packed in to one small area of space? If corps had some reason to spread out a bit (occupancy based PI? - something dumb like that) you might not get everyone camping Kourm/Huola all the time. As has been said before it makes it far too easy to reship to an easy counter. If gangs are out roaming then they are more likely to have a go I always feel. Would also give the local pirates a chance to redevelop perhaps as they are always under threat of a serious blobbing atm.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.03.04 17:34:00 - [82] Originally by: David Devant Would also give the local pirates a chance to redevelop perhaps as they are always under threat of a serious blobbing atm. Hi!! -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Aznwithbeard Minmatar OMGROFLSTOMP	Posted - 2011.03.04 19:10:00 - [83] dear amarr: please get more active late night USTZ. literally nothing going on last night. PS. Stop undocking carriers at huola 24th. no one cares. Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Damar Rocarion	Posted - 2011.03.05 14:26:00 - [84] Originally by: Karl Planck The only gripe I have is an old one, i wish the plexes would spawn randomly throughout the day instead of in the morning, i think this is what is really causing the blobs in the ustz, but i could be wrong. Plexes do spawn throught the day if you are willing to shift them. for example, Gallentes spend hours every day taking plexes in uncontested systems to get defensive plexes to Viriette constellation. One day they moaned that they took 47 during the night and not one spawned to right system. (47 x 15min on average = 705 minutes = 11h of work for few guys and their alts). Such is luck of the draw. So basicly if you want to plex, you need to do some work and i'm not talking about flying somewhere but really really waste your time for no gain and unrewarded (plus you have to pay rl money for it). But blame CCP mainly for "balancing plexes" and all that crap which actually turned the mechanism into even more ****** mutant than it was originally. Hell, I know that it is probably impossible for me to capture anything because they are willing to put so much effort into this at us tz when i'm sleeping but I dont really complain. Because time investment I spend doing offensive plexes, they spend at least 3-4, maybe 5 times more for it every single day (and quite often lose faction ships to pirates/militia while at it). This kind of griefing is plenty of reason for me to keep doing plexes
Mutnin Amarr Mutineers	Posted - 2011.03.05 18:34:00 - [85] Edited by: Mutnin on 05/03/2011 18:35:11 Originally by: Saint Evonivon Personally I think it would be nice if the mini's would just agree to to stop camping the kourm/huola gate 18/7 of the time. Let us move around and make small fleets to go pvp with. The "we only fight when we can gank" camp on that gate is getting old. That's my only real problem. The point has already been made about the shipping up subject so ya just the camps is my only emo rage. Sure the noobs in our militia keep throwing themselves to die at that gate and i'm sure you guys are having fun with that. Thing is though its blocking some people from wanting to operate in the area. I mean sure zero's frig fleets buzz around auga for like 2 hours and kinda shut things down but its only like 2 hours then its over. If you want to camp a gate like that plz go to null sec. There you can camp and gank till your blue in the face. Same **** with the Ezzur/Hof gate I've gone up there a few times looking to pew pew and bloody thrasher camps + big stuff support at times is just a pain. Enough with the camping please I want to hunt. What you have to understand, is if it wasn't the Minie's doing it, it would be the amarr camping those gates. It's always been like that and probably always will. Which ever side happens to hold the biggest blob tends to be trhe side that camps and kills the noobs. I can remember coutless times of having Amarr fleets pretty much doing nothing but camping dal, auga, ama, kourm gates 18/7 as well. The problem is people are lazy and they want lots of risk less kill mails, so they tend to do what gets them that in the easiest way. Sadly, there are very few people in this game that are up for actually hunting out targets and taking risks in engagements that aren't a certain win. Everyone wants to play EVE on arcade mode with the easy switch turned on and then brag about how awesome they are.
Saint Evonivon	Posted - 2011.03.05 19:39:00 - [86] I agree with you Mutnin, I would still have no part of that though, really dislike long camps like that. I always felt gate's were a poor mechanic in the game, Rather have them removed and all ships have jump drives and you would have to lock onto the celestial bodies in the systems and you would jump to those. Then slow down the warp speed and have warp window so you could chase after things you picked up on your "active radar" and of course frigs and such would still be fastest and best for grabbing targets in warp and in normal combat. Have things like HIC's be really fast to and able to pull entire fleets out of warp, course the enemy fleet could keep an eye on their radar and send ceptors or something to intercept. Some sort of mechanic like that would be a lot more fun to me and more tactical. One can dream right hhehehehe. But on the other hand last night they didn't camp all night and hey guess what we got some fleets out and had some pew pew. Was a nice change for once.
Predator Elite The Institution. Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2011.03.05 22:50:00 - [87] As far as the gate camping goes that is just showing that the enemy is looking for fights so go kill them. I don't see how that would really intfere with being able to put a gang togther saint, hell I used to do it all the time.
Bringer Maker of Man Cerberus.	Posted - 2011.03.06 03:08:00 - [88] The main issue for USTZ for Amarr is the low activity level and the fact that the Minny just camp the Houla/Kourmo gate the whole time and if you do counter them they just bring in a gang that is 3 times bigger than your current gang. Another issue is even with a fair fight does go on the minny pilot has to have his 30 man fleet warp in to him so they can all assure they get on the KM. Sadly can't counter a gang that is bigger than you if you do not have no more people to pull from. Sadly the minny won't change as they love their KM, and same for the day time Amarr camping, they love their KM and won't stop. People are still in that mindset that they need 1000 KM and only 10 death to look cool even if all those KM have 20+ on them. Sadly it seems that FW is either people wanting to *** missions and make big isk or the KM *** and not interested in having fun.
Azelor Delaria Caldari Absinthe Brothers	Posted - 2011.03.06 03:53:00 - [89] Originally by: Bringer The main issue for USTZ for Amarr is the low activity level and the fact that the Minny just camp the Houla/Kourmo gate the whole time and if you do counter them they just bring in a gang that is 3 times bigger than your current gang. Another issue is even with a fair fight does go on the minny pilot has to have his 30 man fleet warp in to him so they can all assure they get on the KM. Sadly can't counter a gang that is bigger than you if you do not have no more people to pull from. Sadly the minny won't change as they love their KM, and same for the day time Amarr camping, they love their KM and won't stop. People are still in that mindset that they need 1000 KM and only 10 death to look cool even if all those KM have 20+ on them. Sadly it seems that FW is either people wanting to *** missions and make big isk or the KM *** and not interested in having fun. Pretty much have to echo these sentiments. Today I logged on to about 30 Minnies camping the usual Huola station, and smack talking in local about how Amarr were "noobs" and the like. Now I'm cool with smack talk. In fact, I take it as a badge of honor every time I get a hatemail for smacking so hard in local someone actually threatens to report me to the FBI for cyberbullying (I still have that one!). However, if you truly want a fight, stop bringing massive gangs that you know no one wants to go up against, because it's a guaranteed assbeating. Smaller gangs means more fights. Sure, you can pull off a few kills of noobs trying to undock, but that means nothing. And obviously the same applies to the Amarr. *** * * *** "No OPLAN ever survives first contact with the enemy."
Sneaky Noob Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.03.06 06:48:00 - [90] Originally by: Azelor Delaria bla bla bla im an internet tough guy har har har watch me cyberbully you u are all blobbers wah wah And obviously the same applies to the Amarr. you FINALLY said something that makes sense, albeit after yet another post of you complaining and explaining that your anger rage smack is in fact, for teh lulz. The Sneakiest N00b in all of EVE -------

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