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David Devant Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.26 18:18:00 - [1] Two weeks ago, largely thanks to the ceaseless efforts Valkear General Sasawong, Arzad - home of the rebellion, fell from Amarrian control. Around this shining beacon of Matari strength Semou continues to burn. God botherers, where were you? As an Intaki internet spaceships dude I of course have a vested interest in "libertT, TgalitT, fraternitT", but tbqfh my primary concern is to try and get some good fights going. Last time Arzad fell, we were here in strength and engaging with our allies in some of the fiercest competition for sovereignity that the Minnie/Amarr front has ever seen. On behalf of our corp I would like to invite our counterparts to stand toe to toe with the Minmatar Militia in some quality plex engagements. The euro-zone may not be able to field 10 Abaddons at the drop of a hat, but come for our Ruptures and you're gonna be hurting. Yes we know the plexing system is faulty, yes we know it offers little reward. But is not the battle reward in itself? Avaunt! David Devant Cheief Executive Officer CTRL-Q
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.26 18:41:00 - [2] Speed tanking frigates and reship to max. size ships if anything "dangerous" appears .. sound familiar? Why should anyone bother chasing frigates around on the off-chance that there is a blob of actual ships ready? Even the RP crews are fed up with the whole thing at this point, its a senseless waste of time and an affront to us players. Retaking systems is easier than "defending" against frigs that speed tank all plexes, even minors (thought I was hallucinating first time I saw that one), so keep orbiting .. we'll be back from making tens of billions SoonÖ. FW is blobs, counter-blobs, neutral blobs, capitals and neutral unprobable booster alts .. FW has lost its lustre. There is no fights/battles to be had, one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks.
David Devant Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.26 19:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Speed tanking frigates and reship to max. size ships if anything "dangerous" appears .. sound familiar? Why should anyone bother chasing frigates around on the off-chance that there is a blob of actual ships ready? Even the RP crews are fed up with the whole thing at this point, its a senseless waste of time and an affront to us players. Retaking systems is easier than "defending" against frigs that speed tank all plexes, even minors (thought I was hallucinating first time I saw that one), so keep orbiting .. we'll be back from making tens of billions SoonÖ. FW is blobs, counter-blobs, neutral blobs, capitals and neutral unprobable booster alts .. FW has lost its lustre. There is no fights/battles to be had, one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks. w/e. Bring 10 cruisers and so will we. Quit whining and come get some. Is this Veshta btw? If it is post with your fw character if you're in a fw thread.
Dingos Kidneys	Posted - 2011.02.26 20:40:00 - [4] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks. Well, maybe someone should tell Neph that if he brings 20 battleships and 9 guardians (with 10 extra BSes skulking in a safe just in case things go wrong) to chase down a cruiser-gang, he isn't likely to: a) get the minnie FC to engage at spastically low odds or b) catch any stragglers because he only brought BSes and no tackle mong.
Aznwithbeard Minmatar OMGROFLSTOMP	Posted - 2011.02.26 21:19:00 - [5] Edited by: Aznwithbeard on 26/02/2011 21:27:38 Originally by: Dingos Kidneys Originally by: Hirana Yoshida one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks. Well, maybe someone should tell Neph that if he brings 20 battleships and 9 guardians (with 10 extra BSes skulking in a safe just in case things go wrong) to chase down a cruiser-gang, he isn't likely to: a) get the minnie FC to engage at spastically low odds or b) catch any stragglers because he only brought BSes and no tackle mong. Confirming Ive been in the militia for about a week, we bring 10 cruisers, they bring 10 battleships with logistics and have a backup fleet 2 systems over. Hell this morning u needed a rapier, cyclone, and rupture with a neutral scimitar to kill a jaguar pro. Have had 2 decent fights and the rest have been ganks. Anytime an Amarrian FC wants to have a decent fight PM me and well do x vs x frig/cruiser/bc etc. Also confirming Im not an alt. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.27 01:25:00 - [6] I'd just like to confirm that small gang warfare is still alive, even if it is somewhat ill at the moment with a bad case of the blob. The problem with the blob is that you simply do not get good fights. Bringing a 20 man BS gang with Logi support and a 15 man BC support gang is just going to make WTs run or dock up. You can smack all you like in local but that's the way it is. It's in everyone's interest to limit the size of their gangs.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.27 09:22:00 - [7] Originally by: David Devant w/e.... Fairly certain I am the only Yoshida in Eve with a vested interest in FW, so yeah. And no I am not going through the circus that is CCP's inept HTTP coding to change account every time I have a chance to *** and moan about the status of FW Why should it matter anyway as long arguments are sound and reasoning valid? Originally by:** Dingos Kidneys Well, maybe someone should tell Neph... Confirming that it takes one to tango .. grow up will you, both of us are guilty in equal measure. Perhaps if more fights were conducted away from "home systems" where capitals are not available at the drop of a hat the urge to over-ship wouldn't be as great. Originally by: Bomberlocks I'd just like to confirm that small gang warfare is still alive... It's on life-support, wasting away in a coma. Blobs are more than the already covered over-shipping tendency caused by capitals (5 SC's on the front now is it or do we have 3 as well?). "Blobs" are also the 5 Thrashers trying to kill one Slicer or the ten Hurricanes ganking lone cruisers. I am beginning to think that RvB had the right idea all along with war conducted on the basis of gentlemen agreements/fun and not just for the almighty mail which is what FW has degenerated to.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.02.27 10:13:00 - [8] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/02/2011 10:13:27 I must live in the wrong timezone. I pirate in the Amarr/Minnie FW area all the time and its never as blobby as you guys say. Yeah the plexing sucks, but come on now. Its all about the pew, pew, pew anyway. -Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
David Devant Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.27 10:42:00 - [9] It's not that blobby it's true and we still manage to enjoy ourseleves rather a lot if I'm honest Veshta, Veshta Yoshida. You should post with this character because it's the one fw people know. This was the last time we met: http://ctrl.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7921336 OMFG you were blobbed! You came back in another slicer 5 minutes later and returned the favour. See? Honourable pvp is still very much alive and kicking. What I am proposing is that we enhance opportunities for it occur. System occupancy may be severely faulty. But we know that plexes are not, they are one of the best opportunites for structured pvp in the game. With clever tactics a superior force can be overwhelmed. Size restrictions encourage the opposition to bring a reasonable force. They also suck in noobs from the much maligned 24th and TLF because WE NEEDS NUMBERS! What I'm saying is, come play with us. I know some of you will. AR and ABC are notable corps for bringing a tight force. We're just tired of retreating down to metro every night because you're forming something we have no hope of defeating.
Arianna Satellizer	Posted - 2011.02.27 10:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Aznwithbeard Edited by: Aznwithbeard on 26/02/2011 21:27:38 Originally by: Dingos Kidneys Originally by: Hirana Yoshida one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks. Well, maybe someone should tell Neph that if he brings 20 battleships and 9 guardians (with 10 extra BSes skulking in a safe just in case things go wrong) to chase down a cruiser-gang, he isn't likely to: a) get the minnie FC to engage at spastically low odds or b) catch any stragglers because he only brought BSes and no tackle mong. Confirming Ive been in the militia for about a week, we bring 10 cruisers, they bring 10 battleships with logistics and have a backup fleet 2 systems over. Hell this morning u needed a rapier, cyclone, and rupture with a neutral scimitar to kill a jaguar pro. Have had 2 decent fights and the rest have been ganks. Anytime an Amarrian FC wants to have a decent fight PM me and well do x vs x frig/cruiser/bc etc. Also confirming Im not an alt. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Confirming that you are never seen in the frontlines.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.02.27 12:12:00 - [11] Originally by: David Devant OMFG you were blobbed!.. Heh, that mail is ancient Nowadays that sort of engagement is rare as hell with Loki boosters everywhere, the "honourable fight" died when the T3 alts matured Plexes and their size restrictions would be a lot better if NPCs were changed. TD from Amarr and the TP/Missile spam from Matar are more than a little annoying. They should have been coded to "stand down" when members of both sides are present.
Aznwithbeard Minmatar OMGROFLSTOMP	Posted - 2011.02.27 18:16:00 - [12] Edited by: Aznwithbeard on 27/02/2011 18:16:55 Originally by: Arianna Satellizer Originally by: Aznwithbeard Edited by: Aznwithbeard on 26/02/2011 21:27:38 Originally by: Dingos Kidneys Originally by: Hirana Yoshida one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks. Well, maybe someone should tell Neph that if he brings 20 battleships and 9 guardians (with 10 extra BSes skulking in a safe just in case things go wrong) to chase down a cruiser-gang, he isn't likely to: a) get the minnie FC to engage at spastically low odds or b) catch any stragglers because he only brought BSes and no tackle mong. Confirming Ive been in the militia for about a week, we bring 10 cruisers, they bring 10 battleships with logistics and have a backup fleet 2 systems over. Hell this morning u needed a rapier, cyclone, and rupture with a neutral scimitar to kill a jaguar pro. Have had 2 decent fights and the rest have been ganks. Anytime an Amarrian FC wants to have a decent fight PM me and well do x vs x frig/cruiser/bc etc. Also confirming Im not an alt. WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Confirming that you are never seen in the frontlines. Uhhh, since joining Ive been pretty active, and.... you can look at the KB? K thx Guns don't kill people. onowait.
Ya Nor Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.27 23:06:00 - [13] confirming azn has been mowing down wt's since he joined FW. looking at the killboard top killers would help you out alot... Chicks dig guys that play internet spaceships.
foksieloy Minmatar Universal Army	Posted - 2011.02.28 06:57:00 - [14] It's Azn's fault. _______________________ Drink Eau du Nichup«, the taste of heaven. Now available as Nichup Citrus« as well!
Arianna Satellizer	Posted - 2011.02.28 10:28:00 - [15] oh look i see King rothgar former amarr second in your KB? Who is azn again?
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.28 11:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Arianna Satellizer oh look i see King rothgar former amarr second in your KB? Who is azn again? Actually, seeing King Rothgar moving to Minnies, as well as Saly Va, Voody Voodoo and Del fy, I think the blobbing problem may in fact solve itself in the end. This always does tend to happen to FW btw, one side gets too big and the other side won't fight any more and so people and corps on the bigger side start leaving due to boredom. Looks good to me. I get a chuckle from seeing Adolf Ehrnrooth on some of those KMs. A force for himself, shoots everyone from all sides, and more often than not gets away with it too.
Ya Nor Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.02.28 11:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Arianna Satellizer oh look i see King rothgar former amarr second in your KB? Who is azn again? its very convenient that you wait until the new week starts to look at and comment on the killboard top killers. do some damn research before you open your mouth. its really not that hard... Chicks dig guys that play internet spaceships.
Pax Thar Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.02.28 13:08:00 - [18] Plex.s are a great way to force an almost even engagement and the Murientor will always engage if the odds are even close to winnable. And we are not alone.
Lord Ryan 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.02.28 17:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Speed tanking frigates and reship to max. size ships if anything "dangerous" appears .. sound familiar? Why should anyone bother chasing frigates around on the off-chance that there is a blob of actual ships ready? Even the RP crews are fed up with the whole thing at this point, its a senseless waste of time and an affront to us players. Retaking systems is easier than "defending" against frigs that speed tank all plexes, even minors (thought I was hallucinating first time I saw that one), so keep orbiting .. we'll be back from making tens of billions SoonÖ. FW is blobs, counter-blobs, neutral blobs, capitals and neutral unprobable booster alts .. FW has lost its lustre. There is no fights/battles to be had, one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks. ^this^
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.02.28 20:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Speed tanking frigates and reship to max. size ships if anything "dangerous" appears .. sound familiar? Why should anyone bother chasing frigates around on the off-chance that there is a blob of actual ships ready? Even the RP crews are fed up with the whole thing at this point, its a senseless waste of time and an affront to us players. Retaking systems is easier than "defending" against frigs that speed tank all plexes, even minors (thought I was hallucinating first time I saw that one), so keep orbiting .. we'll be back from making tens of billions SoonÖ. FW is blobs, counter-blobs, neutral blobs, capitals and neutral unprobable booster alts .. FW has lost its lustre. There is no fights/battles to be had, one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks. There is a lot of reshipping and it's a problem on both sides. If amarr brings a frig fleet, minnies bring cruisers, then amarr ships up to BC's and it just keeps going. Eventually one side realizes they just can't win or a big BS/cap fight happens. Sometimes those with more skill win and sometimes the bigger blob wins. That isn't to say you can't get some nice small fights though. With my switch to the minmatar side I find myself having to grind standings once more. The result of that is an awful lot of minor/medium plex running solo in a frigate. It's surprising how many little fights I've gotten in those. It's mostly boring, but I've also gotten some of the best fights I've had in months in them. As for my switch, it has nothing to do with blobbing. The epic hypocrisy and back stabbing within amarr is what drove me out. Not to say such things don't occur on the minmatar side, I'm sure they do. But I find it hard to believe it could be any worse. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Lord Ryan 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.02.28 20:38:00 - [21] Originally by: King Rothgar Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Speed tanking frigates and reship to max. size ships if anything "dangerous" appears .. sound familiar? Why should anyone bother chasing frigates around on the off-chance that there is a blob of actual ships ready? Even the RP crews are fed up with the whole thing at this point, its a senseless waste of time and an affront to us players. Retaking systems is easier than "defending" against frigs that speed tank all plexes, even minors (thought I was hallucinating first time I saw that one), so keep orbiting .. we'll be back from making tens of billions SoonÖ. FW is blobs, counter-blobs, neutral blobs, capitals and neutral unprobable booster alts .. FW has lost its lustre. There is no fights/battles to be had, one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks. There is a lot of reshipping and it's a problem on both sides. If amarr brings a frig fleet, minnies bring cruisers, then amarr ships up to BC's and it just keeps going. Eventually one side realizes they just can't win or a big BS/cap fight happens. Sometimes those with more skill win and sometimes the bigger blob wins. That isn't to say you can't get some nice small fights though. With my switch to the minmatar side I find myself having to grind standings once more. The result of that is an awful lot of minor/medium plex running solo in a frigate. It's surprising how many little fights I've gotten in those. It's mostly boring, but I've also gotten some of the best fights I've had in months in them. As for my switch, it has nothing to do with blobbing. The epic hypocrisy and Nephilim Xeno is what drove me out. Not to say such things don't occur on the minmatar side, I'm sure they do. But I find it hard to believe it could be any worse. Really I've alway found him quite likeable.I did the Minnie to Amarr switch, From -6 Amarr to +8 Amarr, took a couple months just to get positive. It was not fun. Good luck!
Arianna Satellizer	Posted - 2011.02.28 22:56:00 - [22] Edited by: Arianna Satellizer on 28/02/2011 22:59:39 Originally by: Dingos Kidneys Originally by: Hirana Yoshida one a month or less the rest are stupid suicides, hotdrops and ganks. Well, maybe someone should tell Neph that if he brings 20 battleships and 9 guardians (with 10 extra BSes skulking in a safe just in case things go wrong) to chase down a cruiser-gang, he isn't likely to: a) get the minnie FC to engage at spastically low odds or b) catch any stragglers because he only brought BSes and no tackle mong. Neph bringing out BS fleet to chase cruiser fleet? http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=192605 So wheres the BS fleet youre speaking of? It seems your side had the BS and ze greater numberz. CTRL-Q...id listen to your advice if your fleet arent such runners every night.
Aznwithbeard Minmatar OMGROFLSTOMP	Posted - 2011.03.01 05:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Arianna Satellizer oh look i see King rothgar former amarr second in your KB? Who is azn again? I take this as an insult and a challenge. If you werent an alt Id flex more epeen and say something about your mother.... instead Ill just continue chain smoking and scanning C+P Guns don't kill people. onowait.
David Devant Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.03.01 10:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Arianna Satellizer Some crap Please post with your main so we can laugh at you in game as well. Thanks.
Ya Nor Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.03.01 11:03:00 - [25] Originally by: David Devant Originally by: Arianna Satellizer Some crap Please post with your main so we can laugh at you in game as well. Thanks. what he said. attempting to smack behind an alt does you no good now does it? Chicks dig guys that play internet spaceships.
David Devant Gallente CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.03.01 11:52:00 - [26] Originally by: Arianna Satellizer Neph bringing out BS fleet to chase cruiser fleet? http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=192605 So wheres the BS fleet youre speaking of? It seems your side had the BS and ze greater numberz. CTRL-Q...id listen to your advice if your fleet arent such runners every night. Bored atm so I'll bite on this. Firstly, our side had 'a' BS. Secondly, the 2 forces were broadly comparable but the mail won't show Amon's Scimi. I'd argue this is a better reflection of the usual state of affairs: http://ctrl.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8672671 This was second time that night that we actively engaged an Amarr BS fleet with our BC gang. We shipped down to frigs/dessies after that with predictable results.
Azelor Delaria Caldari Absinthe Brothers	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:21:00 - [27] Originally by: David Devant Originally by: Arianna Satellizer Neph bringing out BS fleet to chase cruiser fleet? http://www.amarr-empire.net/killboard/?a=kill_related&kll_id=192605 So wheres the BS fleet youre speaking of? It seems your side had the BS and ze greater numberz. CTRL-Q...id listen to your advice if your fleet arent such runners every night. Bored atm so I'll bite on this. Firstly, our side had 'a' BS. Secondly, the 2 forces were broadly comparable but the mail won't show Amon's Scimi. I'd argue this is a better reflection of the usual state of affairs: http://ctrl.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=8672671 This was second time that night that we actively engaged an Amarr BS fleet with our BC gang. We shipped down to frigs/dessies after that with predictable results. I would like to say that in my week of being here, I have yet to see a call for battleships. Most of the time, we say "Let's go in cruisers". Just this past Sunday, for example, we took a group of eleven people out in shield battlecruisers, small tackle, and a single Scimitar. Every Minnie who saw us docked up, and we got no love from the pirates, either. Battleships on both sides tend to be small and uncalled for. When they are, the two instances I have seen of the Minmatar fielding them have been to sit on the Huola 24th Imperial Crusade undock, ready to dock up if it comes down to it. Just last night, bahamut420 and several of his goons in battlecruisers and nano ships "camped" the Amarr Militia in the station. We all just laughed because of how truly pathetic it was. I have yet to see the Minmatar bring out a true roaming fleet. Everything has been geared for fighting on a gate, station, or simply to get in, blob the hell out of someone, and spam local with "gf" even though all it was was pointing a lone ship and whoring 20 people onto the killmail. That's not a good fight. I would argue that this is a better representation of what this conflict is like: Linkage 19 people to take out a lone Omen Navy Issue and an Arbitrator. I watched Huola local spike from 30 to 64 that night, meaning that not only was local doubled, but it was done with the sole intention of blob warfare. it's to the point that many in the Amarr militia don't want to fight the Minmatar, because we expect the blob. Hell, there have been talks of the Amarr heading on down to the Caldari/Gallente pipe, so we don't have to worry about you guys running around with Heretic Army because you're so friggin' terrible, or the usual 40-man blob waiting to gank a lone Rifter. You want some fights, then provide them. Every time you provide another blob, it just gives the Amarr one less reason to play with you. And yes, I think we're almost to the point of "I'm taking my toys and going home." *** * * *** "No OPLAN ever survives first contact with the enemy."
Lord Ryan 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:44:00 - [28] FW Pwnage!
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:47:00 - [29] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/03/2011 17:47:54 Originally by: Azelor Delaria I would like to say that in my week of being here, I have yet to see a call for battleships. Most of the time, we say "Let's go in cruisers". Just this past Sunday, for example, we took a group of eleven people out in shield battlecruisers, small tackle, and a single Scimitar. Every Minnie who saw us docked up, and we got no love from the pirates, either. Just an FYI, but once you get outside of the Auga/Houla triangle, an 11 man gang is pretty **ing enormous. *ing that the pirates won't engage your 11 man fleet is **ed. -Liang Ed: TBH the only people that ever roam that big in the area is the FW gangs, Electus Blobtari, and Ivy League. -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Dunn Idaho Caldari Core Impulse	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:10:00 - [30] Well, atm its pretty **ing booring with all the frig and cruiser **. its really not my flavor, still stick around for the money though.

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