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prospector oen
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:22:00 -
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this is the final blow to piracy ccp endorses carebear survival
fit mwd and t1 cloak -
jump in see camp align microwarp drive and cloak instantly wait out timer and insta warp - u enter warp straight away and ccp endorses this currently legal exploit to ensure all low sec travellers survive pirate gatecamps
pirates are currently turning to carebearing due to the final deathknell of the ccp carebear protection fleet that along with the cloaky haulers being able to warp and hit cloak and still show insta cloaking
so give up piracy because ccp hates u
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Dhaul
Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:23:00 -
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Thanks we didn't know about this
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vanich
Caldari Eye of God Deadly Insidious Experts
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dhaul Thanks we didn't know about this
lmao
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prospector oen
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:25:00 -
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well u do now pirate camps all over eve are reporting 80% of carebears coming thro are getting away using this exploit and petitions result in so if youve gota hauler frigate battlecruiser or battleship and dont want to get pirated simply use mwd cloak instaalign wait timer be at full speed and then warp pirates cant lock u and u win and piracy dies just along with low sec nerfs ccp lvoes its pirate killing making low sec useless
ccp endoreses this carebears rejoice
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:27:00 -
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Learn to punctuation.
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prospector oen
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:30:00 -
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ex-ploit legal at the moment good for anyone wanting to avoid gate camps and ccps final kill for piracy
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:31:00 -
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breaking news
How I'd Fix Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
prospector oen
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:33:00 -
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i nnews at 10 logoffski on gate results in warping to next gate and not being able to be pointed the only way to fly
ccps new motto carebear protection
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Self Preservation Society the 2nd Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:34:00 -
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There is no such thing as a legal exploit. Something is either a legal game mechanic, or an exploit thereof. It cannot, by definition, be both.
You may not LIKE the way the mechanic works, but that does not make it an exploit (unless CCP classifies it as such, at which point it is no longer legal). --Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:34:00 -
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Since when is using a game mechanic an "exploit"?
Stop calling things an exploit when they are not, oen!
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Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:35:00 -
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I am so glad someone finally found a totally new way to run past camps.
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prospector oen
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:40:00 -
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legal exploit is legal till enough ppl know about it use it and ccp nerfs it.
So its a legal game mechanic that hsould be an exploit as its just about killing piracy
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Mya ElleTerego
Amarr The Hull Miners Union Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:47:00 -
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We all installed the trial at one point or another guys give him a break.
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Seth Darkness
Gallente Friends of Honor Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:47:00 -
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Don't think this works against heavy dictors Forget perfect, I'm trying not to be worthless |
Shoopa Whoopa
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Shoopa Whoopa on 28/02/2011 14:51:57 What about the non-carebears that come through? They can't use this 'exploit' (aka intended game mechanic)?
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prospector oen
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Posted - 2011.02.28 14:58:00 -
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actually anyone going thro low sec that can calok can use this intended pirate evasion game mechanic amoung others
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Valrandir
Gallente Elemental Mercury
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: prospector oen this is the final blow to piracy ccp endorses carebear survival
fit mwd and t1 cloak -
jump in see camp align microwarp drive and cloak instantly wait out timer and insta warp - u enter warp straight away and ccp endorses this currently legal exploit to ensure all low sec travellers survive pirate gatecamps
pirates are currently turning to carebearing due to the final deathknell of the ccp carebear protection fleet that along with the cloaky haulers being able to warp and hit cloak and still show insta cloaking
so give up piracy because ccp hates u
This is valid game mechanics and is not an exploit. This have been done for years in low and null sec.
Have you just found out now after all this time?
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: prospector oen this is the final blow to piracy ccp endorses carebear survival
1) Piracy does not mean sitting at a gate with your loser mates like a tool, killing haulers.
2) It is totally possible to catch someone using cloak+mwd trick if you have a high scan resolution.
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Cygnus Zhada
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:05:00 -
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Also, it doesn't work with a T1 cloak. Need a T2 for it.
--- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wacktopia
Originally by: prospector oen this is the final blow to piracy ccp endorses carebear survival
1) Piracy does not mean sitting at a gate with your loser mates like a tool, killing haulers.
2) It is totally possible to catch someone using cloak+mwd trick if you have a high scan resolution.
can only catch them if they mess up, even a remote boosted hulk cant catch them if they do it right
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 28/02/2011 15:06:10 not sure if serioustroll.... ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:08:00 -
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Maaan, I wish I knew about this long ago. -
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Also, it doesn't work with a T1 cloak. Need a T2 for it.
The "exploit", as he describes it, uses a T1 cloak.
Originally by: Lt Angus can only catch them if they mess up, even a remote boosted hulk cant catch them if they do it right
Hulk? Please tell me you meant some other kind of ship...
Also, while it is possible to get in under their cloak, though not reliable, the easier way is to use a fast ship (interceptor/dramial) to align towards them and bump them, disabling the cloak.
Originally by: Grimpak not sure if serioustroll....
Pretty sure he's trying to troll but... "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community" Seeing as how the message is none of those, he just comes across as uninformed at best. It's not really off topic or inflammatory, it just makes him look like an idiot.
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Illwill Bill
Reign of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:12:00 -
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I fail to see how something that is allowed can bee seen as an exploit. On the other hand it might just be the OP being dumb.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:16:00 -
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hulk can get over 5k scan res, tank sentrys and is funny on the kill mails
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:20:00 -
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Edited by: BeanBagKing on 28/02/2011 15:20:28
Originally by: Lt Angus hulk can get over 5k scan res, tank sentrys and is funny on the kill mails
For pure scan res and just catching cloaks, there are much better ships.
For the tank and the lol's though I'll give it to you , I'd be pretty disappointed with myself if I died on a gate because of a hulk....
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: prospector oen pirate tears
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:23:00 -
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Is this since the latest patch??????? Is that why there was extended downtime????
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Also, it doesn't work with a T1 cloak. Need a T2 for it.
The "exploit", as he describes it, uses a T1 cloak.
pwnt. Spreading misinformation 4tl.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: prospector oen pirates are currently turning to carebearing
Welcome to the bright side. We've missed you .
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:37:00 -
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You could also try snipe them. -
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Taedrin
Gallente The Green Cross Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:37:00 -
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Note, CCP actually accidentally broke this functionality when they deployed the Falcon Nerf (I think this was the third one?). This was the nerf where cloaking would deactivate ECM modules. Well, it turned out that this code ALSO caused cloaks to instantly deactivate MWDs too, similar to a warp scrambler.
Unfortunately, this affected all cloaks - even cov op ones. Because of this, recons and cov ops couldn't sneak past gate camps - which was the primary function of the cov ops frig at the time. So CCP reverted the change. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:45:00 -
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Edited by: E man Industries on 28/02/2011 15:45:40 Guide to decloak ppl
http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/02/guide-basic-decloaking.html
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:50:00 -
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Lowsec whiners tears are the best tears! --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
NinjaSpud
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: BeanBagKing Learn to punctuation.
Learn to grammar
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Rek Seven
Gallente Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:57:00 -
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Me want moar pew pew
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.28 15:59:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Burial Day
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Posted - 2011.02.28 16:02:00 -
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anyone who thinks PvP involves camping with overwhelming numbers is pretty carebear
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Col Callahan
Caldari Boogie Monsters
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Posted - 2011.02.28 16:13:00 -
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T1 Cloak does not isnta warp, always always always use a improved cloak II
2 sensor boosting scorps and a hic will ruen this tatic any day. Always have scout on the other side before attemting this. I heard you the last time. |
De'Veldrin
Minmatar Self Preservation Society the 2nd Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.02.28 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Exlegion
Originally by: prospector oen pirates are currently turning to carebearing
Welcome to the bright side. We've missed you .
I didn't miss him, tbh. --Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2011.02.28 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: prospector oen well u do now pirate camps all over eve are reporting 80% of carebears...
In which report was this reported? How are these statistics being gathered?
FYI you can bump them, if they cloak they aren't moving very fast.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.02.28 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir This is valid game mechanics and is not an exploit. This have been done for years in low and null sec.
Have you just found out now after all this time?
Only an Improved Cloaking Device II works.
CCP Dropbear posted more info on how to do it in MWD+cloak trick..how to do it ?
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Cygnus Zhada
Custodians of Athra
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Posted - 2011.02.28 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Also, it doesn't work with a T1 cloak. Need a T2 for it.
The "exploit", as he describes it, uses a T1 cloak.
It doesn't, it uses an Improved Cloaking Device II, T1 proto cloak has too much of a speed penalty to make it work. There's a difference between T2 and covops cloak you know. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.02.28 19:25:00 -
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Confirming cloaking makes low sec totally save.
Btw, WTS some 2. hand T2 cloaking modules, nearly as new, only doped once. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Also, it doesn't work with a T1 cloak. Need a T2 for it.
The "exploit", as he describes it, uses a T1 cloak.
It doesn't, it uses an Improved Cloaking Device II, T1 proto cloak has too much of a speed penalty to make it work. There's a difference between T2 and covops cloak you know.
For so many people telling OP that this is OFN and he's a noob, there's a lot of people who don't understand this tactic, which uses a T1 cloak. Yes, I know the difference, no, I am not talking about warping cloaked. OP didn't explain it clearly, but he never said you warped cloak either, and he specifically mentioned the MWD.
Let me break it down for people.
When you jump through a gate, in a normal ship that cannot use T2 cloak, but has a T1 cloak fitted (normal frigate, hauler, etc use this), you hold your cloak for a few seconds, let your timer die down some so you don't get caught on a gate.
Then you align to a celestial, hit your MWD and your cloak as fast as possible, it helps to have shortcut keys setup so it can be done well under a second. Even though you cloaked, the MWD will cycle one time (because you started it before you cloaked) before shutting off. The cloaking device gives you a speed penalty of 90%, but a frigate with MWD does around 2+kms, so you are doing around 200+m/s with a T1 cloaking device on.
When the MWD has cycled once, just before your MWD dies, you hit the decloak and spam warp. Your max speed will jump up, but at 200+m/s you should already be at, or very nearly at, your 3/4ths speed and aligned to whatever your warp point is. You will (nearly) instantly enter warp. The exact timing (how instant is instant) depends on skills, ship used, etc.
You can also use this to re-approach the gate to jump though, flying cloaked at 200m/s you'll cover space a lot faster, harder to know your position and get decloaked.
Now everyone knows the trick, go fly though some gate camps and **** some pirates off
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FeralShadow
RipStar Mining Industries United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: FeralShadow on 28/02/2011 21:04:03 Tactic to kill cloaky haulers (piracy will live on forever)
#1. Shield tanked nano-hac with mwd and point #2. Shield logistics with remote sensor boosting modules, boosting the hac. #3. Hac MWD's, decloaks, and insta-points the sucker. ....
#5. Profit.
OR you can have a dedicated interceptor pilot for decloaking purposes. He obviously can't engage, as the gate guns will own his ship, but decloaking with a ceptor is easy, and with practice you will decloak long before they are able of warping.
That is all.
Feral _______________________________________________ "If you want to taste the ground, feel free to attack." - Kenshin Himura
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Zyress
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Posted - 2011.02.28 22:00:00 -
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and this just in "Fire" still hot.... news at 11
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Cygnus Zhada
Custodians of Athra
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Posted - 2011.02.28 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: BeanBagKing
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada Also, it doesn't work with a T1 cloak. Need a T2 for it.
The "exploit", as he describes it, uses a T1 cloak.
It doesn't, it uses an Improved Cloaking Device II, T1 proto cloak has too much of a speed penalty to make it work. There's a difference between T2 and covops cloak you know.
For so many people telling OP that this is OFN and he's a noob, there's a lot of people who don't understand this tactic, which uses a T1 cloak. Yes, I know the difference, no, I am not talking about warping cloaked. OP didn't explain it clearly, but he never said you warped cloak either, and he specifically mentioned the MWD.
Let me break it down for people.
When you jump through a gate, in a normal ship that cannot use T2 cloak, but has a T1 cloak fitted (normal frigate, hauler, etc use this), you hold your cloak for a few seconds, let your timer die down some so you don't get caught on a gate.
Then you align to a celestial, hit your MWD and your cloak as fast as possible, it helps to have shortcut keys setup so it can be done well under a second. Even though you cloaked, the MWD will cycle one time (because you started it before you cloaked) before shutting off. The cloaking device gives you a speed penalty of 90%, but a frigate with MWD does around 2+kms, so you are doing around 200+m/s with a T1 cloaking device on.
When the MWD has cycled once, just before your MWD dies, you hit the decloak and spam warp. Your max speed will jump up, but at 200+m/s you should already be at, or very nearly at, your 3/4ths speed and aligned to whatever your warp point is. You will (nearly) instantly enter warp. The exact timing (how instant is instant) depends on skills, ship used, etc.
You can also use this to re-approach the gate to jump though, flying cloaked at 200m/s you'll cover space a lot faster, harder to know your position and get decloaked.
Now everyone knows the trick, go fly though some gate camps and **** some pirates off
Oh, you mean like this
You need an improved cloak for it, which is a T2 cloak. The proto T1 cloak has too much of a penalty to make it work with most ships. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
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rampro
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Posted - 2011.03.01 00:10:00 -
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Ive done it millions of times with a t1 cloak .
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Jack Gilligan
1st Cavalry Division
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Posted - 2011.03.01 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 01/03/2011 01:05:34 Oh lord, yet another "pvp'er" who can't stand the challenge of fighting anything that he could possibly have a chance of being defeated by (else he'd not be camping lowsec) whining about people who fail to respect his "leetness" and simply stand still, turn off all modules and DIE. After all, no one should EVER be permitted to ATTEMPT to escape a gate gank, right?
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Cygnus Zhada
Custodians of Athra
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Posted - 2011.03.01 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: rampro Ive done it millions of times with a t1 cloak .
Not even with an intie can you avoid additional align time after uncloaking with using a proto cloak. So while you may have done it a million times, as you state, you've been doing it wrong and have been lucky and/or only used it with small fast ships where it doesn't make THAT much of a difference. Anything bigger than a frig and you really notice it, unless you're blind.
proto cloak slows you down to 10% of base speed and MWD only gives 500% bonus, do the math. --- Stultorum infinitus est numerus.
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Legolas Greenleaf
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Posted - 2011.03.01 02:55:00 -
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This thread needs to die.
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Omara Otawan
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Posted - 2011.03.01 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: Omara Otawan on 01/03/2011 03:32:59
Originally by: Cygnus Zhada
Originally by: rampro Ive done it millions of times with a t1 cloak .
Not even with an intie can you avoid additional align time after uncloaking with using a proto cloak. So while you may have done it a million times, as you state, you've been doing it wrong and have been lucky and/or only used it with small fast ships where it doesn't make THAT much of a difference. Anything bigger than a frig and you really notice it, unless you're blind.
proto cloak slows you down to 10% of base speed and MWD only gives 500% bonus, do the math.
Its all about getting the timing right. With small agile ships like frigates, interceptors and light interdictors the prototype is sufficient combined with the usual overview lag on the end of the guy that tries to lock you.
On those (especially interdictors) the improved cloak is a huge sacrifice in cpu that isnt worth the miniscule improvement in safety you get.
For cruiser hulls though, improved cloak is almost mandatory and bigger than that there is simply no question.
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Tanaka Reina
Caldari Happy Penquins
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Posted - 2011.03.01 05:46:00 -
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By fitting your ship just to get past gatecamps is an exploit? Countering gatecamps is an exploit? Everything in this game has a counter. Its either fitting your ship in a certain way, or taking a blob with you. Welcome to eve..
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Tao Haemon
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Posted - 2011.03.01 07:34:00 -
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Edited by: Tao Haemon on 01/03/2011 07:34:54 OMG! CCP actually allowing an "exploit" that forces lame, low skill, gate campers to actually put out some effort in order to get a kill *gasp*
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Menardii
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:27:00 -
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Fascinating.
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Jack Gilligan
1st Cavalry Division Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.03.01 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tanaka Reina By fitting your ship just to get past gatecamps is an exploit? Countering gatecamps is an exploit? Everything in this game has a counter. Its either fitting your ship in a certain way, or taking a blob with you. Welcome to eve..
Exactly. I guess I should be permabanned for ever DARING to fly my Jump Freighter and Blockade Runners for the express purpose of avoiding or escaping "uber leet" lowsec gate camps then, right?
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M4yd4y
Caldari Friends of Honor Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.04.06 15:38:00 -
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i can`t belive i missed a orca with my legion with this tactiv. he was travelling low-sec with no scout. :) brave idiot.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:08:00 -
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It does not work 100% effectively no matter how well you can do it.
When you jump through the gate, you cant be decloaked by anything but yourself or the timer.
When you decloak and use any cloaking device, you can now be decloaked.
Certainly not an exploit. .
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