If you can clear a mission in 10-15 minutes and get a good return on your LP then 60 million an hour is possible, but much more demanding in terms of SP, ship cost, and attention.

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

So 10m/hour
10mill/60min
166666.6isk/min
10 min active = 1666666.6isk/10min
166666.6isk/min*60min=10mill/hour

Sound to me like so done needs to focus more on there homework and less on eve

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

You want to talk reality? OK, how's this? I bill $150 US$ per hour to work on stuff for my clients on the side. I do that while AFK mining. What do I make in one hour? $150/$35 per GTC = 4 GTC (rounded down) = 8 PLEX, per HOUR.

That's reality. Now, go back to your example, please.

It's great - I run the mining fleet in empire when Im working from the home office. Love the productivity

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

7/10 for you, as I was going to go out for lunch but you've compelled me to reply.

And thus I bold the relevant points in my original post.



Just so people can follow the basic maths:

10m isk / 10 active minutes = 1m isk per active minute

60 active minutes of mining = 60 * 1m isk per active minute = 60m isk per active hour

So for every hour I spend clicking and scanning asteroids, moving cargo, warping and other forms of ACTIVE mining-related gameplay, I make 60m isk.

So you are distracting yourself with a game while you should be studying? Your parents must be so proud of you. Lucky for you there will be plenty of time for minimum wage internships after you complete your studies so you can bring your real-life skills up to a decent level.

You would get your work done faster if you concentrated 100%- for most people, around 1.5x faster minimum. (many people go as high as 2.5x faster) More attention-intensive activities will make far more isk using that extra time than you would splitting your attention.

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

Using the OP's logic, I can say I make about 400 mil/hour doing science. He's obviously not studying math.

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

I also make over 10 billion isk an hour actively running the market.

Planetary interaction makes me about 300m an hour.

Plexing makes me 5 billion an hour.

Wait, can you explain it a bit better for me. You make 10m an hour mining, but when you 'active mine' you make 60m...

What's the difference between the two, and what set up you use?

I make 10m an hour with a Mack getting boosts..

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

... So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

Try to re-read my original post. You still make 10m per hour from mining. However, to make that 10m, you only need to actively play the game for around 10 minutes per hour. The other 50 minutes can be spent semi-AFK.

Multiply the 'active' time by six so you can convert 10 minutes into one hour. For every hour you spend "actively mining" in the game (clicking the mouse, warping, moving cargo etc), you earn 60m. Of course, you'll need to spend 300 minutes semi-AFK to access this money (6 * 50 minutes = 300 minutes).

But since semi-AFK = not playing the game, technically it should not be considered in calculating isk/hour.

In RL, this is why most workers do not consider travel time in calculating their hourly wage. Since you're not at work, traveling is usually not considered work. And likewise, when you are semi-AFK, i.e. not playing the game, the time you spend semi-AFK shouldn't be considered when calculating your isk/hour.

I don't understand why all the hate. Do players here in Science & Industry never calculate the amount of time they need for a particular task?


Just think for a second. If OP had 6 accounts then he would be making 60 mill/h. 10 min of active managing for every account.

You're a ******* moron. The strips cycle at the same speed whether you're at the keyboard or not. You don't magically increase your mining if you become "active". You earn 10mil per hour, period. Idiot.

You want to talk reality? OK, how's this? I bill $150 US$ per hour to work on stuff for my clients on the side. I do that while AFK mining. What do I make in one hour? $150/$35 per GTC = 4 GTC (rounded down) = 8 PLEX, per HOUR.

That's reality. Now, go back to your example, please.

When you go to work, do you add travel time when calculating your $/hr from your job? No? Why is that?

The same logic applies for calculating isk/hr when mining. For 10 mins of "work" (mouse-clicking etc), I earn 10m isk. The other 50 minutes, I don't do anything mining-related.

That's like working 10 minutes, going home for 50 minutes to jack off, then coming back to work for another 10 minutes. Rinse and repeat.

This is common sense. But then again, this is EVE, the home of aspies.

It's extra funny when serious replies basically miss the point by a country mile.

Try to re-read my original post. You still make 10m per hour from mining. However, to make that 10m, you only need to actively play the game for around 10 minutes per hour. The other 50 minutes can be spent semi-AFK.

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

If you can clear a mission in 10-15 minutes and get a good return on your LP then 60 million an hour is possible, but much more demanding in terms of SP, ship cost, and attention.

Sooo by this logic, Im only half my age because i spent the other sleeping

o7

Uh. I've been critted by the sheer stupidity in this thread.



Do you know there are traders in RL who dedicate only 10 minutes each morning to setup their market orders, and then enjoy the rest of the day? It may take 24 hours for those pending orders to trigger, and another 24 hours to reach take-profit or stop loss, whichever is hit first.



Did this trader work for 48 hours for his money?



NO. It only took 10 minutes of labour to setup his orders.


What is wrong with some of you people?

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

Uh. I've been critted by the sheer stupidity in this thread.

Do you know there are traders in RL who dedicate only 10 minutes each morning to setup their market orders, and then enjoy the rest of the day? It may take 24 hours for those pending orders to trigger, and another 24 hours to reach take-profit or stop loss, whichever is hit first.

Did this trader work for 48 hours for his money?

NO. It only took 10 minutes of labour to setup his orders.

What is wrong with some of you people?

Holy Monkey Balls, you nearly proved yourself wrong!!!

While they are only spending 10 minutes, STUFF IS STILL HAPPENING TO HIS MONEY.

In the same way HIS MONEY is still working, SO IS YOUR MINING BARGE.

CONGRATS! You've discovered the definition of "active" time! This is the whole point that I've been trying to make.

CONGRATS! You've discovered the definition of "active" time! This is the whole point that I've been trying to make.

It's great - I run the mining fleet in empire when Im working from the home office. Love the productivity

*snip*
.... If you were in a race, you'd be losing.

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

Next time use far less stupid examples when trying to make a point and just get right to the point. You "actively" wasted far to much of my time.

You can not skip those 50 minutes in between! Not unless you have a Time Machine, which going by your train of thought, we can dismiss.

I never said you can skip 50 minutes.

10 minutes = time spent actively playing
50 minutes = semi-AFK

For every 10 minutes actively playing = 10 million isk

I never said you can skip 50 minutes.

10 minutes = time spent actively playing
50 minutes = semi-AFK

For every 10 minutes actively playing = 10 million isk

I never said you can skip 50 minutes.

10 minutes = time spent actively playing
50 minutes = semi-AFK

For every 10 minutes actively playing = 10 million isk

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

Please lock this thread so these losers can crawl back into their dark tunnels. All these attempts to appear intellectual have become laughable.

It's really nice to try to justify your mining career like that... but at the end of the day (or month) you're still poor.

I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.

The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.

I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.

So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?

It is unfortunate that the topic devolved as this is a important thing for EVE to both understand, debate, and deal with as a long term issue for EVE. This is the most important ratio in the economy.

EFFORT:ISK
Risk is simply more EFFORT

The original poster might have approached the post in the wrong way, but the message is what matters. He is indeed correct that mining has recently experienced a buff like no other to passive wealth generation. I would not make the argument at all about ISK:HR, as the recent patches have hilariously skewed EFFORT:ISK ratio to mining now. Mining may not be the most ISK:HR profession, but it sure is great EFFORT:ISK.

Yeah, this is basically correct. Especially when effort doesn't need to be put into a single client: it is much more cost-effective to afk mine a dozen empire macks than a 0.0 hulk or two, which require about equal amounts of effort. Any effort increase is best spent multiboxing yet another empire mack.

It is unfortunate that the topic devolved as this is a important thing for EVE to both understand, debate, and deal with as a long term issue for EVE. This is the most important ratio in the economy.

EFFORT:ISK
Risk is simply more EFFORT

The original poster might have approached the post in the wrong way, but the message is what matters. He is indeed correct that mining has recently experienced a buff like no other to passive wealth generation. I would not make the argument at all about ISK:HR, as the recent patches have hilariously skewed EFFORT:ISK ratio to mining now. Mining may not be the most ISK:HR profession, but it sure is great EFFORT:ISK.

IMHO, anything more than '2 Hulks and an Orca' operated by an individual is overdoing it.

I felt inclined to reply to this thread. I don't normally bother with forums because they're generally full of losers.

THE POINT IS - YOU COULD BE DOING THIS 'ALSO', NOT INSTEAD OF. So go and F**k off with your flaming :P

Yes, just like this person.

When you go to work, do you add travel time when calculating your $/hr from your job? No? Why is that?

The same logic applies for calculating isk/hr when mining. For 10 mins of "work" (mouse-clicking etc), I earn 10m isk. The other 50 minutes, I don't do anything mining-related.

That's like working 10 minutes, going home for 50 minutes to jack off, then coming back to work for another 10 minutes. Rinse and repeat.

This is common sense. But then again, this is EVE, the home of aspies.

Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?