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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.08.25 02:09:00 -
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I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.
Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing? |

Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.25 02:21:00 -
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If you can clear a mission in 10-15 minutes and get a good return on your LP then 60 million an hour is possible, but much more demanding in terms of SP, ship cost, and attention. |

Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
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Posted - 2012.08.25 02:51:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:If you can clear a mission in 10-15 minutes and get a good return on your LP then 60 million an hour is possible, but much more demanding in terms of SP, ship cost, and attention.
It's extra funny when serious replies basically miss the point by a country mile. |

Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.08.25 03:39:00 -
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You want to talk reality? OK, how's this? I bill $150 US$ per hour to work on stuff for my clients on the side. I do that while AFK mining. What do I make in one hour? $150/$35 per GTC = 4 GTC (rounded down) = 8 PLEX, per HOUR.
That's reality. Now, go back to your example, please. |

Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
60
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Posted - 2012.08.25 03:54:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.
Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing? So 10m/hour 10mill/60min 166666.6isk/min 10 min active = 1666666.6isk/10min 166666.6isk/min*60min=10mill/hour
Sound to me like so done needs to focus more on there homework and less on eve |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.08.25 03:58:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:
So 10m/hour 10mill/60min 166666.6isk/min 10 min active = 1666666.6isk/10min 166666.6isk/min*60min=10mill/hour
Sound to me like so done needs to focus more on there homework and less on eve
7/10 for you, as I was going to go out for lunch but you've compelled me to reply.
And thus I bold the relevant points in my original post.
Kaivar Lancer wrote:I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.
Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?
Just so people can follow the basic maths:
10m isk / 10 active minutes = 1m isk per active minute
60 active minutes of mining = 60 * 1m isk per active minute = 60m isk per active hour
So for every hour I spend clicking and scanning asteroids, moving cargo, warping and other forms of ACTIVE mining-related gameplay, I make 60m isk. |

Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.08.25 04:05:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:You want to talk reality? OK, how's this? I bill $150 US$ per hour to work on stuff for my clients on the side. I do that while AFK mining. What do I make in one hour? $150/$35 per GTC = 4 GTC (rounded down) = 8 PLEX, per HOUR.
That's reality. Now, go back to your example, please.
It's great - I run the mining fleet in empire when Im working from the home office. Love the productivity   |

Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.08.25 04:33:00 -
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Javajunky wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:You want to talk reality? OK, how's this? I bill $150 US$ per hour to work on stuff for my clients on the side. I do that while AFK mining. What do I make in one hour? $150/$35 per GTC = 4 GTC (rounded down) = 8 PLEX, per HOUR.
That's reality. Now, go back to your example, please. It's great - I run the mining fleet in empire when Im working from the home office. Love the productivity  
This. :)
(PS: first time I've ever agreed with a Goonie!) |

Amrumm
Rhetorical Devices
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Posted - 2012.08.25 07:48:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
So you are distracting yourself with a game while you should be studying? Your parents must be so proud of you. Lucky for you there will be plenty of time for minimum wage internships after you complete your studies so you can bring your real-life skills up to a decent level. |

Totally Trustworthy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.25 08:25:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.
Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing? You're a ******* moron. The strips cycle at the same speed whether you're at the keyboard or not. You don't magically increase your mining if you become "active". You earn 10mil per hour, period. Idiot. |
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Beta Stryker
Trinity Operations Aurora Irae
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Posted - 2012.08.25 08:50:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:
So 10m/hour 10mill/60min 166666.6isk/min 10 min active = 1666666.6isk/10min 166666.6isk/min*60min=10mill/hour
Sound to me like so done needs to focus more on there homework and less on eve
7/10 for you, as I was going to go out for lunch but you've compelled me to reply. And thus I bold the relevant points in my original post. Kaivar Lancer wrote:I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.
Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing? Just so people can follow the basic maths: 10m isk / 10 active minutes = 1m isk per active minute 60 active minutes of mining = 60 * 1m isk per active minute = 60m isk per active hour So for every hour I spend clicking and scanning asteroids, moving cargo, warping and other forms of ACTIVE mining-related gameplay, I make 60m isk.
Too bad the rest of those 50, inactive, minutes count in reality. Pesky !@#$ers. |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.08.25 08:53:00 -
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Amrumm wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
So you are distracting yourself with a game while you should be studying? Your parents must be so proud of you. Lucky for you there will be plenty of time for minimum wage internships after you complete your studies so you can bring your real-life skills up to a decent level.
Thanks! There's another guy in this thread who charges clients $150/hr to AFK mine. I think I have found my calling. Thank you, Eve Community.  |

Zoltan Lazar
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Posted - 2012.08.25 23:00:00 -
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You would get your work done faster if you concentrated 100%- for most people, around 1.5x faster minimum. (many people go as high as 2.5x faster) More attention-intensive activities will make far more isk using that extra time than you would splitting your attention. |

Herman Klaus
Touched By Klaus
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Posted - 2012.08.26 00:58:00 -
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Zoltan Lazar wrote:You would get your work done faster if you concentrated 100%- for most people, around 1.5x faster minimum. (many people go as high as 2.5x faster) More attention-intensive activities will make far more isk using that extra time than you would splitting your attention.
Blitz a Level 5 mission and get 50-60m with rewards and LP in about 10 mins, never mind an hour. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.08.26 01:02:00 -
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If I really wanted to, I could probably munch up about 300M per hour ease.
If I where to go back doing what I usto do, Station trading penny wars etc, I could probably pull off 1B per hour on the weekends (select times of course) |

Penwarden
Corefire Industries Reciprocal Aegis
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Posted - 2012.08.26 05:10:00 -
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Kinda meaningless, if you ask me. |

Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.08.26 07:41:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.
Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?
Pretty STUPID reasoning there, mate.
That's like measuring the income per hour of missioning by taking into account only the final shots that kill every rat and the second it takes to click on "complete mission" and cash in. It's plain WRONG. That way, everybody makes a BILLION per hour running missions, right?
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Nyreanya
Serenity Labs New Eden Research.
368
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Posted - 2012.08.26 12:35:00 -
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Using the OP's logic, I can say I make about 400 mil/hour doing science. He's obviously not studying math. . |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.08.26 14:43:00 -
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Nyreanya wrote:Using the OP's logic, I can say I make about 400 mil/hour doing science. He's obviously not studying math.
When you go to work, do you add travel time when calculating your $/hr from your job? No? Why is that?
The same logic applies for calculating isk/hr when mining. For 10 mins of "work" (mouse-clicking etc), I earn 10m isk. The other 50 minutes, I don't do anything mining-related.
That's like working 10 minutes, going home for 50 minutes to jack off, then coming back to work for another 10 minutes. Rinse and repeat.
This is common sense. |

Stigman Zuwadza
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.26 15:53:00 -
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I earn about 160m'ish an hour staring at my window blinds and listening to my ceiling fan. 
Sometimes I mix that up with grabbing a coffee and having a smoke. 
Fly safe. o7
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ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2012.08.26 18:51:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.
Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing? WEll using your math I make at least 200m an hour "running" level 4 missions. clicking accept flying out and setting out my drones then go afk.
I also make over 10 billion isk an hour actively running the market.
Planetary interaction makes me about 300m an hour.
Plexing makes me 5 billion an hour. |

Theo Ramone
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.27 01:05:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:I was doing some basic timing using a stopwatch, and discovered that I spent about 10 minutes per hour of mining, actively doing something in the game. This would be stuff like locking an asteroid, moving cargo, warping, etc.
The other 50 mins was spent semi-afk doing homework on a second monitor.
I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining.
Pretty neat, eh? Can mission runners boast the same thing?
You.....are an idiot. |

Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.08.27 03:52:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:
I also make over 10 billion isk an hour actively running the market.
Planetary interaction makes me about 300m an hour.
Plexing makes me 5 billion an hour.
I think that's a valid comparison, at least as market trading is concerned (haven't done PI or plexing). Back when I was trading last year, I earnt around 50m profit per day. Spent maybe 10 mins checking orders. So I made 300m per hr. I don't know how you make 10b per hr but since we're discussing trading, anything is possible so congrats. :) |

Cobalt Rookits
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.08.27 06:23:00 -
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I'd like to hire you for this job, see every hour you have to push a button 5 times, and it takes you 2 seconds to push every time. Based on your math I can pay you $1000/hr for your "work".
Would you work for that kind of money?
(Do the math, I'd actually be breaking the law to pay you that much per hour.)
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McDeth Macaroth
M.I.M.M.S Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2012.08.27 08:42:00 -
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Wait, can you explain it a bit better for me. You make 10m an hour mining, but when you 'active mine' you make 60m...
What's the difference between the two, and what set up you use?
I make 10m an hour with a Mack getting boosts..
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
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Posted - 2012.08.27 12:24:00 -
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McDeth Macaroth wrote:Wait, can you explain it a bit better for me. You make 10m an hour mining, but when you 'active mine' you make 60m...
What's the difference between the two, and what set up you use?
I make 10m an hour with a Mack getting boosts..
Try to re-read my original post. You still make 10m per hour from mining. However, to make that 10m, you only need to actively play the game for around 10 minutes per hour. The other 50 minutes can be spent semi-AFK.
Multiply the 'active' time by six so you can convert 10 minutes into one hour. For every hour you spend "actively mining" in the game (clicking the mouse, warping, moving cargo etc), you earn 60m. Of course, you'll need to spend 300 minutes semi-AFK to access this money (6 * 50 minutes = 300 minutes).
But since semi-AFK = not playing the game, technically it should not be considered in calculating isk/hour.
In RL, this is why most workers do not consider travel time in calculating their hourly wage. Since you're not at work, traveling is usually not considered work. And likewise, when you are semi-AFK, the time you spend semi-AFK shouldn't be considered when calculating your isk/hour.
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Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.08.27 13:04:00 -
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60M ISK/hr is possible when mining (especially with the new Macks), but I highly doubt you'd be able to maintain that level of output. Theoretical yield is one thing; actual yield is another. And as I've said many times, "yield" includes actually getting your minerals to market or the manufacturing slot. In hisec, I can reliably pull in 30-40M ISK/hr when on a concentrated mining op -- but that's doing some serious ATK playing: managing my strips to make sure they're not wasting cycles on almost-popped roids, using mining drones, and making sure that my refining/transport logistics are in place in the system.
The problem with minerals is bulk. Consider: trit is great as a profit-making mineral...if you can move enough of it to market to make it worthwhile. An industrial won't do it. You really need a freighter to move minerals around in enough bulk to make it pay off, especially if you're more than a few hops from a trade hub. You can focus on the lower-volume, higher-value minerals like Pyerite, Mexallon, and Nocxium, but it's hard to mine enough of that stuff in hisec to make good ISK/hr -- that's why so many hisec miners focus on Veld and Scord (and maybe Plagioclase now that Pyerite is so high). Almost always (unless you're manufacturing), tritanium is the mineral you want to sell...but you need a lot of it.
In lowsec, the problem is more pronounced. There's plenty of great ABCM roids, but the ore is hard to move around. Logistics in low and null are a nightmare.
If you're patient (and can afford to be patient), a good way to improve returns on your mining ops is to sell your minerals via sell orders rather than just dumping them on the highest buy order. An extra .05 ISK per unit of trit may not sound like much, but over time and in tens of millions of units, it adds up. Nullsec manufacturers hate having to shlep from station to station buying trit -- many will pay a premium for trit in order to buy it all in one place, and the closer to their territory the better.
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Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
131
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Posted - 2012.08.27 19:48:00 -
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Please, please, please ---- update your math!
I've BOLDED and UNDERLINED the parts for you that matter in correcting your math.
Kaivar Lancer wrote:I mine around 10m isk per hour in my Retriever. So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
So I can say that I make 60m isk per hour from mining. Now, let's go to Math 101 and learn about unit cancelling.
(10m isk / hour) * (1 hour / 60 minutes)
The hour units cancel out, leaving you with isk / minute.
10,000,000 isk / 60 minutes == 166,666.667 isk / minute.
Your next statement, therefore, was never true.
Kaivar Lancer wrote: ... So for every active minute I spent in-game, I earnt 1m isk. So for every 60 minutes of "active" mining, I make 60m isk.
As Idris Helion pointed out, If you want to make 60M / hour, you must mine higher end roids and only if you're actively working the field. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
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Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:24:00 -
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I don't understand why all the hate. Do players here in Science & Industry never calculate the amount of time they need for a particular task?
Just think for a second. If OP had 6 accounts then he would be making 60 mill/h. 10 min of active managing for every account.
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
149
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Posted - 2012.08.27 20:45:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:McDeth Macaroth wrote:Wait, can you explain it a bit better for me. You make 10m an hour mining, but when you 'active mine' you make 60m...
What's the difference between the two, and what set up you use?
I make 10m an hour with a Mack getting boosts..
Try to re-read my original post. You still make 10m per hour from mining. However, to make that 10m, you only need to actively play the game for around 10 minutes per hour. The other 50 minutes can be spent semi-AFK. Multiply the 'active' time by six so you can convert 10 minutes into one hour. For every hour you spend "actively mining" in the game (clicking the mouse, warping, moving cargo etc), you earn 60m. Of course, you'll need to spend 300 minutes semi-AFK to access this money (6 * 50 minutes = 300 minutes). But since semi-AFK = not playing the game, technically it should not be considered in calculating isk/hour. In RL, this is why most workers do not consider travel time in calculating their hourly wage. Since you're not at work, traveling is usually not considered work. And likewise, when you are semi-AFK, i.e. not playing the game, the time you spend semi-AFK shouldn't be considered when calculating your isk/hour. So based on your logic. If I was running freight say 25-30 jumps for 10 mil. Since travel time does not count I actually make that 10 mil in 30-60 seconds actually accepting contracts and loading cargo. S0 I guess I make 600 mil an hour hauling freight.
get where you are coming from but it just does not work that way. you have to count the down time in your isk/hr. you are only making 10 mil an hour, you just only have to spend 10 minutes of that hour actually working. That is what makes it semi-afk income.
Also anyone with half a brain does consider travel time and fuel when determining if a job is worth the wages or not. You could get a job for $20/hr but you only work 4 hours at a time, If it takes you 2 hours driving each way to get to and from work. you are spending 8 hours to make $80, even though you are getting paid $20/hr. And that does not account for the gas needed for that traveling.
Now compare to a 8 hour/day job for $12/hr that is only a 5 minute drive. At the end of the day you have far more in your pocket working at the lower wage.
semi afk income is generally low isk/hr, but is done while at work, or otherwise occupied preventing you from participating in higher isk/hr activities. you are only making 10 mil/hr but the alternative is not playing at all which makes 0 isk/hr.
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