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Hurrakan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.01 14:50:00 - [1] Hi, I'm bored of level 3 missions and I hear that level 4 missions are much more rewarding. My NPC corp. standing is now high enough that I have several decent L4 agents available. I'm considering buying my first battleship for the level 4s. However, I'm not sure if my skills are quite good enough to solo them yet. Will I need to be able to use Tech 2 turrets to be able to survive? Also I've never piloted anything larger than a Hurricane, and only ever Tech 1 ships. Anyway I was thinking of getting the Maelstrom... although I don't really like the idea of NOT being cap stable (I'm lazy). I have Large Projectile Turrets to 4 and will have Minmatar Battleship to 4 in a few days. In total I have almost 20M skill points. Thanks,
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2011.03.01 14:56:00 - [2] You don't need T2 large guns for L4 missions. If you can fit a T2 tank and use T2 light drones you'll be fine. - "When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed." - CCP Big Dumb Object
Tremor Brash WormHole Consulting Armada Ministry Federation	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:01:00 - [3] I can run level 4s with 18 million SP, so you should be OK. As said above fit a T2 tank, and you should be good to go. I run L4s in a Domi and do alright, not the fastest but it gets the job done. --------------------- TB Wormhole Consulting
Hurrakan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:21:00 - [4] Thanks I'll try it. Is the Maelstrom the best Minmatar ship to start with (for level 4's)?
Addrake Minmatar Waste Management.	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:21:00 - [5] I'm running 4's with T1 guns, T1 drones, and a T2 tank. The tank is probably the most important for starting out, allows you to get a feel for the missions and how to pull the groups etc, so don't be afraid to overtank your ship and be cautious at first. Use mission specific hardeners where applicable and read eve-survival.org carefully before each run, you should be fine.
Skex Relbore Gallente Skexcorp	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:32:00 - [6] When I started running L4s I was in a dual MAR Domi rocking 650 arties ;) and T1 drones. Full T1 fit. It was a hell of a lot of fun. Mission took forever because I had to warp out a lot and I had no dps but it was more fun than running in a full T2 heavily skilled setup since I actually had to think a bit and use some tactics. I seriously think people tend to advice to high of standards for L4s. About the only thing I'd call fairly critical would be to be able to field a full set of T2 light drones in order to kill elite frigs quickly. just remember to kite and stay aligned. You probably won't out do the income you can get from blitzing L3s but it will be a lot more fun.
Reaper XI	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:35:00 - [7] If you've been running level 3s long enough to be able to afford a Maelstrom you should be fine. BS4 and large turrets 4 is overkill for most level 4s. As is 20mil SP, assuming you can active sheild tank, and have decent drones. Important thing is to actualy read guides for level 4's, messing up aggro/ spawn triggers will kill you more than having low skils. Maelstroms aren't cap stable, t2 XL boosters use lots of cap, but do give about 1000 sheild HP per run (with 80-90% resists that's damn hard to break).
Hurrakan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.01 16:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Hurrakan on 01/03/2011 16:36:22 I don't seem to be making much ISK or LP from L3 missions anymore - not even good salvage. And I keep getting the simple missions that only pay 300K ISK and 300 LP. I can only afford the Maelstrom because I did the PLEX thing (I was bored). What about a Tempest Fleet Issue?
insulubria	Posted - 2011.03.01 16:48:00 - [9] Edited by: insulubria on 01/03/2011 16:50:02 well a) since your new dont use split weapons, ex, tempest if your armor maelstrom if you're shield a full rack of 800mm's with a tracking computer and maybe a web if you want to try to put your guns on orbiting frigs should do fine in lvl 4's.. b) fight the right resists and deal the right damage type.
Tarasina	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:20:00 - [10] Edited by: Tarasina on 01/03/2011 17:22:50 Edited by: Tarasina on 01/03/2011 17:20:00 Maelstrom fit for Angels [Maelstrom, mael lvl4 ACs] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier I Ballistic Deflection Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Explosion Dampening Field II 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Fusion L 800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Fusion L Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I Warrior II x5 Valkyrie II x5 U should be able to run lvl4s at approx. 5 mil skillpoints. I'm nearing 25 mil SP on one char and have been running lvl4s for a year and a half. Still don't have T2 large guns, prolly never will. Meta 4s do just fine, cheap too. You need weapon upgrades and advanced wep upgrades for that fit. If you run out of CPU, drop one gun and add drone link augmentor.
Hurrakan Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.01 17:50:00 - [11] My Hurricane is active armour tank so I'm used to checking damage types and fitting specific hardeners. Haven't done any shield defense for a while but the skills are mostly 4s and 5s except for the compensation ones (but I understand they are not very useful anyway). My armour skills are slightly better than my shield skills so maybe the Tempest would be better then - I definitely like it if it can be cap stable heh.
Annoitte	Posted - 2011.03.01 18:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Hurrakan My armour skills are slightly better than my shield skills so maybe the Tempest would be better then - I definitely like it if it can be cap stable heh. It's fairly difficult to get cap stable in a Tempest with a decent tank. Especially if you use the lows for damage/RoF modules. (ed. I rarely use rigs, this is why it is difficult for me) If you have a friend that is online about the same time you are, consistently; fleet up with them, and divide the duties. One of you tanks, the other ganks. Tempest is great for the PvE gankage.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.01 18:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Hurrakan My Hurricane is active armour tank so I'm used to checking damage types and fitting specific hardeners. Haven't done any shield defense for a while but the skills are mostly 4s and 5s except for the compensation ones (but I understand they are not very useful anyway). My armour skills are slightly better than my shield skills so maybe the Tempest would be better then - I definitely like it if it can be cap stable heh. Got cruise missile skills? Probably not, but if you did typhoon would be a good choice.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.03.01 18:25:00 - [14] I started running 4s around 5-6mil sp, and tbh I had very little focused sp into the ship I was using I could fly assault frigs and interceptors at that point,
Starlight Twilight Amarr	Posted - 2011.03.01 18:47:00 - [15] I started getting into lvl 4s when I had about 7 million sp, and they took a long time to finish... 300-400 dps for a level 4 makes it take a while to finish, that and going into missions with a duel rep apoc makes it take a long time but that duel rep saved me more times than I can count Star Light Star bright, The first star I see tonight, I wish I may, I wish I might, Have the wish I wish tonight. I wish for chocolate!
Valeroth Kyarmentari	Posted - 2011.03.01 19:09:00 - [16] I started running Level 4s at around 7.5 Mil SP in a Maelstrom. My general rule of thumb was: If reward + bonus > 2 Million, than I hit delay and waited till I had a friend online. If it was lower than that I soloed. Occasionally I have I'd have to flee in and out, but sometimes not. They are/were tough, but fun. Feel free to look me up if you want an extra ship along for a mission. Even if you can solo it, it's usually much more than twice as fast with an extra ship along.
1600 RT	Posted - 2011.03.01 19:44:00 - [17] maelstrom is the best choice but if you are extremely lazy or you got a extremely unstable connection you can use the typhoon wich is much easier to make cap stable
Lain Umi	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:01:00 - [18] im running L4's in a t1 fitted sentry gila, at about 1.5mill SP
Marcus Gideon Gallente Federal Defense Operations	Posted - 2011.03.01 20:25:00 - [19] "Can I solo" First response, if you have to ask, you probably aren't ready. =) Second response, certificates are a great addition to the game. If you have the skills to fit the ship, tank the ship, and put out dps... you will probably do alright. Maelstrom - Core Competency Standard - Active Shield Tank Standard - Battleship Projectile Turrets Basic
Baneken Gallente The New Knighthood	Posted - 2011.03.01 21:12:00 - [20] I had some 8mil SP When I bought my first dual LAR Domi with Full meta 3 gear (ooh wowo), it was slow as hell killing anything but I had corp mates to help me with my missions so it wasn't so boring after all. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
RougeOperator	Posted - 2011.03.01 21:39:00 - [21] I started doing Level4 missions when I had just over 5 million SP. I went from using a cyclone from level 3 missions to a Maelstrom once I had a 130million isk. I used Mission guides to help me do missions, knowing aggro etc. Missions could take 2 hours to complete at that time at that SP, and before projectile buff. With lots of ammo and cap boosters used and multiple warp outs. Now I crash through missions in a 1400mm large art Tempest or Maelstrom in 15-30 min. Tank only needs to last long enough to beat DPS. Also here is the KM from recently of my Maelstrom I had since I was at that 5mil SP. You should be able to fit it the same with Best named meta 4 stuff. Practice using it in some level 3 missions. I barely ever needed to use cap charges. http://www.minmatar-militia.org/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=176635 Rest in peace you made me billions.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.01 21:54:00 - [22] As long as you have a tank you will be ok. It will take time, but it will be ok. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Julien Brellier	Posted - 2011.03.01 21:55:00 - [23] As you are used to the Hurricane, try using a Typhoon first, as that is also an armour tanking ship. It's fast, has a decent tank, large drone bay and flexible weapon fittings. It's not the fastest Minmatar ship for L4s (see 800mm Maelstrom) but it'll serve you well untill you get the hang of L4 missions.
Marcus McTavish	Posted - 2011.03.02 02:22:00 - [24] As long as you watch aggro, you should be fine i was able to run lv 4's with under 7 million skill points in a crap fit raven lol
Hunter Tiber	Posted - 2011.03.02 02:27:00 - [25] I started lvl 4s with less than 2 mil SP in a T1 fitted Maelstrom and do fine. Man up and take some risks.
Swynet	Posted - 2011.03.02 03:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Hurrakan Hi, I'm bored of level 3 missions and I hear that level 4 missions are much more rewarding. My NPC corp. standing is now high enough that I have several decent L4 agents available. I'm considering buying my first battleship for the level 4s. However, I'm not sure if my skills are quite good enough to solo them yet. Will I need to be able to use Tech 2 turrets to be able to survive? Also I've never piloted anything larger than a Hurricane, and only ever Tech 1 ships. Anyway I was thinking of getting the Maelstrom... although I don't really like the idea of NOT being cap stable (I'm lazy). I have Large Projectile Turrets to 4 and will have Minmatar Battleship to 4 in a few days. In total I have almost 20M skill points. Thanks, Far from consider my self has an example, mostly flying gallente, I've started lvl 4's 3 months after I've started this game, with imperfect skils (had more in shield than armor) almost same AC's skills than hybrids etc etc. All I can tell you is that Eve's pve is realy simple, learn how your spawns work, your triggers and how not to shoot the s'hitscum blinking red because he got your precious wreck loot and you can deal with every single lvl4 mission. However, seems that the agents quality has an impact on the rats difficulty spawn so try it by yourself and make yourself an opinion (was my own verification whenever I've passed from -13 to +18 agents, is it a bug or not it's a fact that I've kept in mind) ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.02 08:30:00 - [27] As people have said. Use right ammo, use the right hardeners and be overtanked and you should be fine. Yes, more dps means less need for tank, but while you are just trying it out...tank. It's not so much that it's hard or even that dangerous, but when you don't have skills (nor experience) removing tank for gank will cause the marging of error to decrease. Basically when you get into trouble with a gankfit you need to GFTO fast. With low skills it is even faster (cap runs out, tank doens't hold, can't warp etc.). With skill and experience that margin will increase (or you get braver and thus stupidity comes along...). When I started doing lvl4's I was using a domi with duapreps. It can basically tank the whole room even if you screw up your aggro and do it perma. Safe, yes. Fast, no. Still you have matari BS IV and L.projectiles IV you should be fine even in a gank-version of maelstrom. If in doubt, add some more tank and try it out. Originally by: CCP Shadow Dr. Sheepbringer -- It's not that kind of horn.
Mister Agreeable	Posted - 2011.03.02 09:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Hurrakan In total I have almost 20M skill points. To solo lvl4 missions as a minimum you need 900k SP. Yes less than a million. As absolute minimum drones 4, BS of your choice to 2-3, cap booster charges and Eve survival. Also I'd like to state that there's nothing shameful about warping out. 20m SP and still running lvl3s is like being 20yo and still sucking on a t.it.
Fulmar Muse	Posted - 2011.03.02 09:40:00 - [29] yes ur ready... just get i out the way, the breaking of the level 4 duck omg, cud u in fact be trolling 20mil SPs!! of course ur ready...sheesh Keep on doin what you doin, do it gud.. huuh!
Malema	Posted - 2011.03.02 09:45:00 - [30] Edited by: Malema on 02/03/2011 09:45:30 20 mil sp ? Level 3 ? Something is wrong here. I remember doing L4's with 3mil sp , no gun skills and T1 Heavy drones with my Domi. ------------------------------------------------ Miners/Industrialists : Get back !

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