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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.07 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: G 0 D
Originally by: Cyaxares II Edited by: Cyaxares II on 06/03/2011 10:50:55
Originally by: Xiozor
The competitive aspect in EVE is about "who can organize the largest group of people? who can win & keep the best allies?" - ISK helps in that regard but social skills and RL experience tend to be extremely important, too.
You can buy and keep as many allies and pay for as many large groups of people as you want by purchasing ISK for out of game currency and distributing it.
So is the competitive aspect of EVE who can buy the most plex?
The most basic social skills and RL money can build your empire without you doing much of anything in game. Rent your 0.0 sov buy your friends.
Eve is pay to play... yet it has an item mall that gives more of an advantage than I see in every free to play game.
yet again, further proof that you just "don't get it" and frankly, just want to cry.
Please. Be as good as your word. Just quit. .
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Smack my hoe
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Posted - 2011.03.07 06:22:00 -
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G O D is a troll just so you guys know :D
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Infinity Ziona
Minmatar Cloakers
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Posted - 2011.03.07 06:37:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:37:48
Originally by: Smack my hoe G O D is a troll just so you guys know :D
May be a troll but he's right.
Theres no need for an item mall in EvE when you can buy anything you want with a credit card already.
Question to ask is why are we being charged to play the game and then charged to buy items to compete against other item buyers... double dipping CCP.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.07 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:37:48
Originally by: Smack my hoe G O D is a troll just so you guys know :D
May be a troll but he's right.
Theres no need for an item mall in EvE when you can buy anything you want with a credit card already.
Question to ask is why are we being charged to play the game and then charged to buy items to compete against other item buyers... double dipping CCP.
Because even with PLEX you buy only playtine from CCP.
The other stuff you pay isk for is something that other players produce or gather, not something that CCP sell 2prepackaged".
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.07 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai While I do agree that the whole Plex/GTC for isk and sanctioned character sales is a bad thing. Its not at all for the reasons you posted.
I agree there, plex opened a whole can of worms that's ruining eve but ironically I have to sell gtc as I don't have time to grind and pvp.
I have limited play time these days so gtcs are perfect for me. I'll only ever buy one a month though and some months I buy none if I don't need replacement ships.
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Lynx Australis
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Posted - 2011.03.07 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: G 0 D Edited by: G 0 D on 04/03/2011 17:11:41 I have recently quit EVE because my friend with loads of cash IRL started playing and it became apparent to me this game is not competetive at all.
The day he first logged in he bought 5 plex's and had more isk than I had made in my year and a half grinding missions and playing.
If everyone can Pay to win as much as they want, where is the competetive aspect to this game that every other p2p mmo has?
At least in other games when you buy in game currency for real money you run the risk of getting your accounts banned.
Not to mention anyone with IRL cash can buy all the high skilled characters then want through CCP's hands as well.
SP for $$ ISK for $$ --------- Pay to win
ISK just enables you to buy ships and stuff for ships. The idea is not to grind one fat pile of ISK. The idea is to get ISK and spend it on ships.
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Winters Chill
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.03.07 10:15:00 -
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Sad fact, but alot of the best Pvpers I've encountered have been guys that don;t do anything else but pvp and the only way they know how to get cash is to use the GTC system.
Yeah "man up and buy a plex".
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.03.07 12:13:00 -
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* Firstly, you can't win EVE.
* Secondly, I'd like everyone to consider how much your ISK and SP influence PvP fights and your abilities in general, as opposed to "player skill", e.g. knowledge of game mechanics, tactics and such.
I'm asking this because I'm playing for a while now and I'm not having the impression that I still have sooooo much to learn and barely can keep up with the skilltraining rate that enables me to fly and fit yet another ship *panic*. On the contrary.
* Thirdly: on the character bazaar you pay around 1 billion ISK per 4 million SP. 1 plex costs $17.50. Let's say 3 plex = 1 billion SP. A 40 million SP character would be around 30 plexes, $525,- That's an affordable price if you have plenty of spare IRL cash; it's not just for the milionaires among us.
I actually can imagine people wanting to buy high SP characters. We all know that it takes two years to be able to fit and fly a decent range of ships, why wait if you can afford to pay to have it all instantly and legally?
A new player can't fly or fit anything. If you buy a 40 million SP character, you can do a lot. If you add a few billion to your wallet, you're good to go. Who wants to grind an extra 3 weeks to be able fly another ship if you can buy it?
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.03.07 12:23:00 -
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Plex just redirects cash flow from Chinese gold farmers (or whatever) to CCP. The problem of failures of gamers RMTing their way through the game is separate, and largely unsolvable. -
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KaarBaak
Minmatar The Mighty 13th
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Posted - 2011.03.07 12:52:00 -
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Blech...IMO, buying someone elses character is like buying used underwear.
Circumstances rule men; men do not rule circumstances. --Herodotus, Histories
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 06/03/2011 18:01:34
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: G 0 D Edited by: G 0 D on 04/03/2011 17:11:41 absolute childish nonsense
I have been saying this for a while now.I agree 100% and lost interest in eve as plex was introduced.
+1 but don't bother arguing with the fanboys.
So, Plex was introduced how many years ago and yet you're still here to bitch and whine at every opportunity about how the game (that you continue to play and by extension, give money to CCP for) isn't what you wish it was?
I know your posting style, feel free to go ahead and call me a fanboy for not understanding how all your crybabies can continue to support a game that makes you all so unhappy. I have tried/played a lot of MMOG's and you know what, the minute that I stop enjoying them, I stop playing them and stop paying for them. I don't stick around for years telling everyone how much I dislike it. Strange concept, I know.
Anyway, it looks like G0D has finally abandoned us. Until his next emochildragequit post, at least.
For your information I don't play eve anymore.I train my skills because I can afford to.I do this in the hopes that eve will become the game all believe it to be.
As for you..0/10. Random troll you are...very random.
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Ramalamadindong
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:31:00 -
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I never understood all those people that complain about forthcoming microtransactions in Incarna when it's possible to buy SP and Isk for cash already. |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ramalamadindong I never understood all those people that complain about forthcoming microtransactions in Incarna when it's possible to buy SP and Isk for cash already.
Agreed. Same for remapping for plex - the few SP you win in a year is nothing compared with buying a high SP for ISK. And arena's - while everyone loves alliance tournaments and the fanfest 4 vs 4 tournament. This community is full of contradictions.
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.07 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Pesky LaRue Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 06/03/2011 18:01:34
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: G 0 D Edited by: G 0 D on 04/03/2011 17:11:41 absolute childish nonsense
I have been saying this for a while now.I agree 100% and lost interest in eve as plex was introduced.
+1 but don't bother arguing with the fanboys.
So, Plex was introduced how many years ago and yet you're still here to bitch and whine at every opportunity about how the game (that you continue to play and by extension, give money to CCP for) isn't what you wish it was?
I know your posting style, feel free to go ahead and call me a fanboy for not understanding how all your crybabies can continue to support a game that makes you all so unhappy. I have tried/played a lot of MMOG's and you know what, the minute that I stop enjoying them, I stop playing them and stop paying for them. I don't stick around for years telling everyone how much I dislike it. Strange concept, I know.
Anyway, it looks like G0D has finally abandoned us. Until his next emochildragequit post, at least.
For your information I don't play eve anymore.I train my skills because I can afford to.I do this in the hopes that eve will become the game all believe it to be.
As for you..0/10. Random troll you are...very random.
"I hate this restaurant so I tell everyone who will listen to my complaints how bad it is, but I still pay for meals but, guess what? I DON'T EAT THEM!"
"I hate this magazine, but I still buy it, I even have a stack of them in my bathroom, but I tell you what - I hate it SO much I don't read it - I just buy it hoping it'll get better."
Yup, completely fathomable logic there. Keep supporting those that make a product you don't like.
Have you thought about getting a CAT scan? Just to check? .
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Grimpak
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.07 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 07/03/2011 14:14:41 this troll is like 11/10 just because so many people have bitten it.
beyond that it's pathetic.
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Matalino ISK != WIN
Isk is = Win.
Guy with SP and skills and not much isk. Guy with SP and skills and lots of isk.
110% 2nd guy wins every time.
Given you can buy SP (characters). Given theres almost no skill in the average PvP encounter.
The guy with RL cash will always beat the guy without it. So yeah, EvE is a pay to win game if you want to fork out the cash.
actually, no. I'll grab my friends and we'll have a party after we blow up the loot piħata that is the poor sod's ship. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.03.07 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Ramalamadindong I never understood all those people that complain about forthcoming microtransactions in Incarna when it's possible to buy SP and Isk for cash already.
Agreed. Same for remapping for plex - the few SP you win in a year is nothing compared with buying a high SP for ISK. And arena's - while everyone loves alliance tournaments and the fanfest 4 vs 4 tournament. This community is full of contradictions.
There are no contradictions there if you actually understand the issues. -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.03.07 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 07/03/2011 15:02:10
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: Ramalamadindong I never understood all those people that complain about forthcoming microtransactions in Incarna when it's possible to buy SP and Isk for cash already.
Agreed. Same for remapping for plex - the few SP you win in a year is nothing compared with buying a high SP for ISK. And arena's - while everyone loves alliance tournaments and the fanfest 4 vs 4 tournament. This community is full of contradictions.
There are no contradictions there if you actually understand the issues.
Oh so it's "Jen doesn't understand the issues" now, without any further explanation? What about "There are contradictions there if you actually understand the issues."?
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.03.07 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue
"I hate this magazine, but I still buy it, I even have a stack of them in my bathroom, but I tell you what - I hate it SO much I don't read it - I just buy it hoping it'll get better."
Yup, completely fathomable logic there. Keep supporting those that make a product you don't like.
Have you thought about getting a CAT scan? Just to check?
You ever think about getting a life?Instead of trolling a forum in which no one cares you even exist.
I said I lost interest with the introduction of plex,not that I didn't like eve.
This is my opinion and if you don't like it..tough ****.You add nothing to this thread but an attemt to get at me in which fail,just like in everything else im sure.
But don't worry you can always buy plex and pretend that you can play.Thats why its there for people who rode the small bus to school.
Also..you mad bro?
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.07 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
"I hate this magazine, but I still buy it, I even have a stack of them in my bathroom, but I tell you what - I hate it SO much I don't read it - I just buy it hoping it'll get better."
Yup, completely fathomable logic there. Keep supporting those that make a product you don't like.
Have you thought about getting a CAT scan? Just to check?
You ever think about getting a life?Instead of trolling a forum in which no one cares you even exist.
I said I lost interest with the introduction of plex,not that I didn't like eve.
This is my opinion and if you don't like it..tough ****.You add nothing to this thread but an attemt to get at me in which fail,just like in everything else im sure.
But don't worry you can always buy plex and pretend that you can play.Thats why its there for people who rode the small bus to school.
Also..you mad bro?
seriously. CAT scan. you need one. .
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.03.07 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Pesky LaRue
"I hate this magazine, but I still buy it, I even have a stack of them in my bathroom, but I tell you what - I hate it SO much I don't read it - I just buy it hoping it'll get better."
Yup, completely fathomable logic there. Keep supporting those that make a product you don't like.
Have you thought about getting a CAT scan? Just to check?
You ever think about getting a life?Instead of trolling a forum in which no one cares you even exist.
I said I lost interest with the introduction of plex,not that I didn't like eve.
This is my opinion and if you don't like it..tough ****.You add nothing to this thread but an attemt to get at me in which fail,just like in everything else im sure.
But don't worry you can always buy plex and pretend that you can play.Thats why its there for people who rode the small bus to school.
Also..you mad bro?
seriously. CAT scan. you need one.
seriously. life. you need one.Don't bother sitting ther hitting refresh either because this is the last reply you will get.Be glad anyone payed any attention to you.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.03.07 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling dictions the
Incarna Microtransations Vs. Buying Characters/ISK
Buying characters and ISK are not microtransations, they simply facilitate the flow of existing SP and ISK between players. The money spent on the PLEX is ultimately used to get gametime, which does not count as a microtransation or RMT. However, Incarna Vanity Item Hell is indeed microtransationing, as the PLEX will be directly used for buying items, i.e. new items will appear in game which can only be acquired by somebody spending actual money. Thus there is a significant difference. Google it if you want more detail. (search "incarna microtransations bad")
Remapping for PLEX Vs. Buying a character
The above issue also applies here, but we also face the additional issue here of actual quantitative changes to the game. While the Incarna stuff is (for now) only supposed to be superficial, Remaps for PLEX would have magicked extra SP out of nowhere with the application of real money. Whereas, buying a character merely shifts the existing SP around. It's one thing to let real money (via PLEX) buy you someone else's SP, it's quite another for real money to magic new SP into existence.
Arenas Vs. Tournaments
Do I really have to explain the difference between occasional prearranged matches which occur in normally unreachable space under the supervision of the developers, and a game mechanic which would let every average Joe Carebear evade the consequences of engaging in PvP? Really? -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
G 0 D
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Posted - 2011.03.07 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: G 0 D on 07/03/2011 19:12:37
Originally by: Lynx Australis ISK just enables you to buy ships and stuff for ships. The idea is not to grind one fat pile of ISK. The idea is to get ISK and spend it on ships.
ISK enables you to buy high skilled characters.
ISK enables to buy a faction fit ship that will always win vs the same non faction fit ship.
ISK enables you to rent your own sov, start an alliance ect.
ISK enables you to always have the best implants, so you gain skill points faster.
ISK enables you to hire merc corps to do your bidding.
Personally... I'd like to know the people that do these things in game were able to do this because they were good at EVE, not good at making money IRL.
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RenoIdo
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Posted - 2011.03.08 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Plex just redirects cash flow from Chinese gold farmers (or whatever) to CCP. The problem of failures of gamers RMTing their way through the game is separate, and largely unsolvable.
Or the game developers need to spend more subscription money on combating RMT instead of making emo vampire games and console shooters.
Why do players get permabanned for RMT in most mmos? - Because it makes the game unfair and ruins the competitive side of the game. I couldn't care less who is selling the ISK, CCP or otherwise when it shouldn't be sold in the first place, and if it is the players should run the risk of being banned.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.03.08 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: RenoIdo Or the game developers need to spend more subscription money on combating RMT instead of making emo vampire games and console shooters.
Why do players get permabanned for RMT in most mmos? - Because it makes the game unfair and ruins the competitive side of the game. I couldn't care less who is selling the ISK, CCP or otherwise when it shouldn't be sold in the first place, and if it is the players should run the risk of being banned.
Ah yes, the "do what seems right, not what seems effective" approach. -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Boonaki
Caldari Focused Annihilation Detrimental Imperative
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Posted - 2011.03.08 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pesky LaRue
Originally by: G 0 D blah blah blah, nothing interesting, clever or new, just more childish drivel.
Genuinely - NO ONE CARES.
I care.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.08 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 08/03/2011 01:52:38 buying isk for cash is a game breaker, it makes the game a lot softer. The economic war where you judge risk to reward based on what damage you think you can do to the enemy is pretty much gone.
plex as its used to generate isk basically breaks the risk/reward system and to me anyway was a very bad step for the game to take in terms of becoming far too soft and carebearish. But thats what people want I guess even if I think it makes eve no more difficult then any other game anymore.
it used to be a 'hardcore' game, it definatly is not anymore.
also, the if you don't like it, quit attitude has been used by both sides - when plex was first introduced because of people crying for it to be included, S-ganking, concorde, warp to zero, and all the other things that people cried about and were told to quit - and now those people are saying the same thing back? ssly. . .obviously som people don't just up and quit because they don't like somthing, they try to change that - and considering the carebear track record - it obviously works. -----------
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Cheekyhoe
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Posted - 2011.03.08 04:39:00 -
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You seemly have no idea what eve is.
You know that some things that don't require isk and are very important in eve.
Some of these things/people are alliance heads, CEOs, FCs, service providers and Cribba.
Then there are the spies the thieves and the scammers.
Not to mention the bots the RMTers and the Suicide Gankers.
I assume your arrogant since you decided a great name for yourself is "G zero D" however I'd suggest you start play eve for something else apart from isk.
Also Isk can't buy you love!!!
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Jack Freely
Merchants Exports Rising Phoenix Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.08 05:01:00 -
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Sounds like your friend is a winner; please point him to this thread as I need to sell this char as I am quitting eve.
Also in a few weeks I will be selling my titan pilot most likely so that will be a char he would want as titans are pure win and he is a winner. After he buys a titan char, he can then buy a titan and just mail PL the name of the char that holds his titan and he normal play time and he will quit eve in a matter of weeks.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia Also industrial are like giant flying pinatas
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Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.08 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 08/03/2011 05:25:10
Originally by: HeIIfire11 seriously. life. you need one.Don't bother sitting ther hitting refresh either because this is the last reply you will get.Be glad anyone payed any attention to you.
Oh, I was thrilled to get attention from a whining spaz who is paying to not play a game he lost interest in but still really loves yet can't stop complaining about. Made my day.
I'd ask you for a list of the other things in life that you cry constantly about and yet still feel compelled to pay for, but apparently you're not going to put together anymore badly worded retorts so I guess we'll never have that moment of bliss.
Originally by: HeIIfire11 But don't worry you can always buy plex and pretend that you can play
oh, and fwiw, I don't buy plex but I could care less if others feel they need to do so to get a leg up. But, good try. Really, very well done. .
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Clair Bear
Ursine Research and Production
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Posted - 2011.03.08 05:50:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Matalino ISK != WIN
Furthermore, ISK + SP != WIN
Depends on how you keep score, now doesn't it? Some people play for killmails, some play for large numbers in their wallets, and others play just to stare at rocks.
ISK is about the closest we have to a score. While a few billion ISK is far from win a few trillion is a whole different story. At that point losses utterly cease to matter and you can do pretty much anything you WANT in the game. I'd say with a great amount of confidence being a multi-trillionare is as close as you can get to winning eve without being a dev.
And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
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