I normally have a lot of respect for your opinion, but please stop doing harm to reasonable discourse with nonsense phrases like this.

so let me see, perfect dps fit junkies come to forum to whine and cry, saying ecm is too tough, i dont wanna gimp my uber fit in order to do well, or survive.

Which of the two words do you have a problem with?

It is easy to counter use drones / FOF missile's / sensor damps and possibly some others its not the best EW its a good one i admit that but can be countered if you work around countering it.

Each EW weapon as such is used for debuffing a enamy ship if used right most people are going to call OP about it but why so much on ECM?

So i ask again why are people so butt hurt about it?

There's no such thing as "quintessential proof" -- or even regular proof -- in Eve theory crafting.

GǪbut this isn't theory-crafting. It's not even about EVE. This is basic game design, and something being its own only counter is the quintessential proof that it's not balanced properly. If we look at how it has been applied to EVE, it's the fundamental reason why nano got nuked and it's the continuing reason supercaps are reeling close to the chopping block whenever they're not actually on it.

The moment you hear Gǣbring some of your ownGǥ as an argument, you know it's a problem. The funny part is that the ones demonstrating the problem are the ones who wish to claim that it doesn't exist by using that argumentGǪ

something being its own only counter is the quintessential proof that it's not balanced properly.

But it's not its only counter, is it?

It was argued as such. I'm merely pointing out that this argument only ever serves to prove that it needs to be fixed, which is often the opposite of what the person is trying to say.

No, it wasn't. Saying ECM is susceptible to ECM is not the same as saying ECM is the only counter for ECM.

GǪand it still amounts to Gǣbring some of your ownGǥ, which is still a bad argument against a change because it only ever shows that there is a problem.

No, it doesn't amount to that, and even if it did, the burden is on you to demonstrate how not being able to bring a knife to a gun fight actually breaks the game.

No, it doesn't amount to that

and even if it did, the burden is on you to demonstrate how not being able to bring a knife to a gun fight actually breaks the game.

GǪaside from him saying that you should bring ECM to beat the ECM, which does indeed mean you should bring some of your own. So it's the same argument, and it's still as counter-productive as when people tried it with nanos and supercaps.

As luck would have it, if someone else makes an argument, the burden of proof is not on me.

If webs were like ECM, they would completely 0 your speed instantly and for 20 seconds
If damps were like ECM, they would 0 your liking range for 20 Seconds
If Nuets were like ECM, they would zero you cap and it can't recharge for 20 seconds

That's why ECM is dumb

Not so dumb version would be for ECM to straight up lower the number of lockable targets by 1 point (2 if in a recon ship)

You are the one making the claim that ECM needs to be changed.

So, what you're saying is, because ECM is different then other forms of EWAR, it's dumb? Well... that's just dumb.

Speaking of dumb, I hate to break it to you, but your idea is the epitome of dumb. "Oh no, I can only lock 4 targets now instead of 8! Whatever shall I do?"

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.

What a great word.

Since when does afterburners/MWD's prevent someone from using target painters, sensor dampeners, shooting from afar etc. ect?

You can stop looking, we've found the person with the hurt bottom.

Gosh the counter to you is so joyfully simple. But I'll take my time and draw out your misery

Logistics ships are primary targets of ECM

Guess how many ships logistics ships can lock at one time?

Wonder why it's so many? We can quite imagine that your mind just melted.

If only 2 targets per module isn't high enough, let's go to 3? That's 12 ships you can't lock.

Hammer away at your keyboard, viens popping from your forehead *thunk* *mash* *hammer*

You can stop looking, we've found the person with the hurt bottom.

Gosh the counter to you is so joyfully simple. But I'll take my time and draw out your misery

Logistics ships are primary targets of ECM

Guess how many ships logistics ships can lock at one time?

Wonder why it's so many? We can quite imagine that your mind just melted.

If only 2 targets per module isn't high enough, let's go to 3? That's 12 ships you can't lock.

Hammer away at your keyboard, viens popping from your forehead *thunk* *mash* *hammer*

ROFL

This is your solution to the ECM question? And you thought blobs were bad before? imagine the goons showing up with a alpha fleet and 200 scorps to back it cause now they can just make it so your 200-250 man gang just can't lock anything thanks to guaranteed jams that lower the number of ships you can lock.

Great plan bro.