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Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 06:48:00 - [1] Edited by: Vernn on 02/02/2005 06:51:17 So they show up again tonight and im in the station (put em on my buddy list, and since we all know they are alts who only log in to gank, its basically an early warning system) and I ask why they are so bold to attack innocent people yet so shy that they won't talk to them. I get "U steal, U die" as a response. Intelectuals these guys are. So anyway I warp out to the belt real quick and 2 of em are already there, so I warped back to station, logged in an alt, and flew a STRIPPED iteron 4 out there for em. Like a bunch of retards they blew it up. So there out about 6 million plus security hits, and im out 420k. They aren't the brightest. I just hope they keep it up so I can get em banned when they delete and remake their toons. I'll keep everyone updated. :) Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 06:51:00 - [2] HAHA their back again! I bought 6 iteron 4's today and put em in the station so I could keep getting fresh ones to use as bait so they would keep killing me till their security status hits -5.0 and they can't enter the system anymore. Only ones back, they haven't attacked yet. Waiting for their buddies im sure. I'll let you know when they blow me up! Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Minerva IV	Posted - 2005.02.02 06:54:00 - [3] What are there Security Status at now? Surely continueing this night after night it wont be to long before there down bellow -2 or -2.5 whichever it is which bans them from 0.9 space, especialy with at least one podding in there.
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 06:55:00 - [4] ROFL, like 30 concord ships were still in the ice belt and they attacked when there were only 2 of em. They didn't even kill the iteron before they got smoked. I LOVE IT! Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 06:58:00 - [5] I don't know Minerva. Im fighting the good fight here to try to get rid of these guys once and for all using my brain. Anyway, I made a post earlier on the boards asking how many times they could attack me before they couldn't get into 0.9 space anymore, but no one answered me =/ Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Minerva IV	Posted - 2005.02.02 06:59:00 - [6] nice :) and try ramming the hauler full off shield and armor extenders they wont be able to kill it before concord turn up at all :)
Azmodaus	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:00:00 - [7] What a bunch of tards, I find it amusing how noob pirates get thier ****nits and giggles
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:00:00 - [8] Roger, thanks for the tip Minerva! Ya know, at least their dumb gankers. If they were smart this would be ALOT harder. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:03:00 - [9] I'm not sure about this, but I don't think they get a security status hit unless they kill me! I think ill take the damaged iteron back to the belt so they can blow it up so they get the security hit. My whole goal is to just be done with these fools once and for all and the faster that happens the better, even if it means sacrificing 10 more ships! Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Minerva IV	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:07:00 - [10] hehe, ah yes i think you are right they may not get the security hit for not destroying your ship. and the ss for not entering 0.9 systems is -2.5 so thats what you aiming for, (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=135823) was hidden on about page ten or eleven in crime and punishment.
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:11:00 - [11] Well, two of them had the same name like ** 006 and ** 007. Both those logged off. I REALLY hope they are deleting their toons and making new ones, cause thats what gives the GM's the green light to ban the account. Either way ALL of them have to be getting close to -2.5. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Lady Amira	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:12:00 - [12] What system they in? Ill come acroos in an Iteron V full of sheild and cap stuff and watch the lights?
Minerva IV	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:13:00 - [13] good exactly what they deserve :) lets hope they are creating new ones :)
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:16:00 - [14] Every night in Eletta around midnight central time. You could set your watch by these guys! Z0mb1e Reborn 006 Reborn 007 Barnie Barge Bomb Missile Popper I suspect however that the Reborn twins probably hit their security status limit of -2.5 and re-rolled. If any fresh ones attack me tonight or tommorow then that means they are re-rolling, and ill petition and have the GM verify it and ban em (hopefully). Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Minerva IV	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:20:00 - [15] unfortunatlly both of those Reborns are at -1.0 only atm :(
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:28:00 - [16] Its ok. I petitioned last night and talked to a GM and I got the impression there was nothing that could be done until they started recycling their alts, but I petitioned again tonight just to update the GM's about these goons, and I don't wanna say what the GM's said. All i'll say is that their aware of the situation. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
F'nog	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:41:00 - [17] Edited by: F'nog on 02/02/2005 07:41:33 They actually get a sec hit for every weapon they fire at you, but it's not as bad as the one for destroying your ship, nor even close to the one for podding you. Maybe try Iteron Is. They're cheaper and die quickly. So, while using a tanked IV would be fun since you'd get to watch them die, if you goal is the punish their sec status, getting your ship destroyed is the quickest way. What system was this again? Maybe I'll send an alt over to get ganked. Edit - also remember they have to wait 15+ minutes before they can attack again, because Concord will just pwn them when they undock if they don't.
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 07:55:00 - [18] Edited by: Vernn on 02/02/2005 08:13:40 Well, Reborn 006 and Reborn 007 logged out and Barnie and Z0mb1e are coming after me now. I went back to ice field in my iteron 4 and was smacktalking them a bit, but they didnt show up and didn't say anything. So I figured it was safe and got my mining barge out again and resumed normal mining and hauling, well they showed up again only this time they wised up and went after the minging barge. I warped away from the ice belt to another asteroid belt soon as I saw em, they followed (HOW I don't know) and then I tried to warp again but they rammed me throwing my speed-up to warp off (this in itself is an exploit in my eyes) and then attacked. They got me down to about half way (I trained some armor and shield boost skills today) but I FINALLY hit warp as I watch concord smoke them both again. If this isn't harassment then I don't know what is. I just hope these clowns get banned. Well, back to smacktalking them and baiting them into takeing more security hits. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:02:00 - [19] 2bad this alts doesnt make an alt corp, would have helped you for a little donation;) B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Atlane Moon	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:07:00 - [20] What would happen if i am in a gang. I get attacked from those guys in my barge, will my buddy be allowed to defend me with his fighter flying cover for me?
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:08:00 - [21] They all logged out. Looks like im the big winner tonight. I only lost one naked iteron 4 that cost 420k whilst they all lost about 7 or 8 kestrels and a TON of security status. Getting even is a wonderful thing. It'll be interesting to see if the drama continues tommorow night. Until then i'll be mining. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:13:00 - [22] Atlane, thats a good question. I know that once someone attacks you that you can shoot back without concord attacking you. They are "flagged" when they attack you. Im honestly not sure if your gang mate could defend you or not though withough concord attacking them. It wouldn't do much good anyway. The basic principle behind these peoples attacks are to get 3 or 4 of them together and all attack you at the same time so you don't even have a chance to defend yourself. This is a blatant exploit in the game mechanics if you ask me, but the GM's and game designers don't see it as such, so all you can do it keep baiting them trying to make them do stupid things to lose their security status so you can get a GM to verify that they ARE re-rolling (which IS considered a bannable exploit by the GM's and game designers) so that they get banned. This is what I am trying to do. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Vernn The basic principle behind these peoples attacks are to get 3 or 4 of them together and all attack you at the same time so you don't even have a chance to defend yourself. This is a blatant exploit in the game mechanics if you ask me, Roflmao, can you get anymore pathetic... calling pilot's grouping up to kill something an exploit of game mechanics... hilarious. Pain is meant to be felt
Dave10	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:26:00 - [24] Edited by: Dave10 on 02/02/2005 08:27:12 Originally by: Vernn. The basic principle behind these peoples attacks are to get 3 or 4 of them together and all attack you at the same time so you don't even have a chance to defend yourself. This is a blatant exploit in the game mechanics if you ask me[/quote , this is called ganking oh and the thing about losing 7-8 kessies...ever seen how cheap a kestral is with standard fittings?
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:41:00 - [25] I think we just found Reborn 006 and Reborn 007! Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Maxp	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:50:00 - [26] vernn for added fun why not get a friend to shield and armour boost your indy in the belt.
Eddie Elch	Posted - 2005.02.02 08:55:00 - [27] Is this correct? Quote: Players with -1.5 or greater can enter all systems Players with -2.0 or worse cannot enter 1.0 systems Players with -2.5 or worse cannot enter 0.9 systems Players with -3.0 or worse cannot enter 0.8 systems Players with -3.5 or worse cannot enter 0.7 systems Players with -4.0 or worse cannot enter 0.6 systems Players with -4.5 or worse cannot enter 0.5 systems I'm sure I've seen players with red flags (ie -5) in 1.0 space... Or am I looking at the wrong stats? ---------------------------------------------- Life - Don't tell me about Life - Marvin
Katjia	Posted - 2005.02.02 09:33:00 - [28] those stats on sec stauts are correct . when you see a criminal in those systems most times you'll see em in a pod or doing instas. When i was naughty it was a 50 - 50 chance of getting by the cops. Doing some other naughty things it got to 70-30 in my favor. As for the flagging. You don't even have to be ganged for em to pop up flagged. They shoot you they are fair game to all just don't pod em or you start blinking. pick a cheaper ship too or just have some one help tank you and blast em when ever they try and hit you. Tho trying to get ther sec status low is all fine and dandy i like seeing the pretty explosions more. btw my sec status is low not for piracy but hammering ore theives. fight the good fight. ccp pls pimp the convoys again.....ie put things back in them.
Atlane Moon	Posted - 2005.02.02 09:55:00 - [29] Thanks Katja for your info. Is there a legitimation to fight ore thieves? Are ppl flagged for touching our cans?
MinorFreak	Posted - 2005.02.02 09:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Minerva IV hehe, ah yes i think you are right they may not get the security hit for not destroying your ship. and the ss for not entering 0.9 systems is -2.5 so thats what you aiming for, (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=135823) was hidden on about page ten or eleven in crime and punishment. intriguing. i especially enjoyed reading that gm's opinion about "alts" ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup)
MinorFreak	Posted - 2005.02.02 09:57:00 - [31] Edited by: MinorFreak on 02/02/2005 09:59:00 Originally by: Atlane Moon Thanks Katja for your info. Is there a legitimation to fight ore thieves? Are ppl flagged for touching our cans? no. drop that subject, please. officially it's merely 'waste-removal-specialists' Calling for such a flag and whining about "ore thieves" will only get CCP to do the easiest thing: remove the ability to jetcan mine. ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup)
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2005.02.02 10:54:00 - [32] Why can't everybody in Eve be so proactive ? This is so much better than whining. Go Vernn, I hope you get the result you're looking for
MinorFreak	Posted - 2005.02.02 11:11:00 - [33] Edited by: MinorFreak on 02/02/2005 11:15:13 well, i'm certainly looking forward to the debriefing session. I'm sure there's a few interesting things he's found out that we can let everyone know about. So only ganking lowers you sec.status. hmmmmm...did they try pod-killing you too? i'll bet they don't cause i'm assuming that impacts your sec.stat by a huge amount, compared. hmmmmmmm...well, if i was in your shoes i'll equip modules that lowered shield capacity, yet were cheap compared to my insurance costs on a dummy indy. hmmmmm...i wonder if there's any slot2 modules that do that as well...hmmmmm, how about 1mn MWDs? hmmmmmmm...but, what if structure/armour needed reducing more...heheeheh i've got lots of nanofiber internals --- ooooooo and maybe we could get better results out of those silly reinforced bulkheads. ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup)
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.02.02 11:18:00 - [34] Originally by: Eddie Elch I'm sure I've seen players with red flags (ie -5) in 1.0 space... Or am I looking at the wrong stats? Well they could be in a pod in which case concord dont gank them, usefull tactic to traverse accross the map if your a pirate, yarrgh! Anyway back to the origional post, why dont you try to tank your indy, fit some webbers or jammers on it and see how long you can make it last. The lowslots are not just for expanders you know Death to the Galante
MinorFreak	Posted - 2005.02.02 11:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Jim Steele Anyway back to the origional post, why dont you try to tank your indy no. the point is to lower their sec.status...if concord ganks them before the kill shot, there's not much point in having a dummy indy. As for the webber suggestion...hmmmmmm...i think it just might clue them in. Anyways, i wonder if you could survive an encounter with gank squads if you had enough middle slots to fit shield expanders and boosters and hardeners? You wouldn't need alot, but enough till concord dealt with them. ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup)
Jim Steele	Posted - 2005.02.02 13:28:00 - [36] Edited by: Jim Steele on 02/02/2005 13:28:31 yeah but your wasting your time trying to lower there sec status when they can just re-cycle there alts! I think it would be more intresting to see how long you can last and possibly take some out, they wouldnt expect it, hey you could even stick a sm on there and try to pk them hopefully this would make them re appear somewhere far away and cost them travel time. ok it wouldnt do much for your sec status but it would raise a laugh im sure. Death to the Galante
Monsieur Escargots	Posted - 2005.02.02 13:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Jim Steele Edited by: Jim Steele on 02/02/2005 13:28:31 yeah but your wasting your time trying to lower there sec status when they can just re-cycle there alts Yup, thats the point I belive, as if they recycle their alts, they can be petitioned against, and therefore banned. :)
Matthew	Posted - 2005.02.02 13:35:00 - [38] Originally by: Jim Steele yeah but your wasting your time trying to lower there sec status when they can just re-cycle there alts! But that's exactly the point of this tactic - to push down their sec status until they start recycling the alts. As soon as they start recycling the alts, the GM's can get involved with a view to banning.
Jael Markinsen	Posted - 2005.02.02 23:36:00 - [39] Well, not to put a damper on your fun there vernn, but, what if they don't "re-roll their alts" as you call it? AFAIK, and I could be wrong, but, the only way they are getting banned from this is if they recycle the alts and go back to attacking you again. Once they get that low sec status and decide to fly off somewhere else then recycling or even keeping these alts but not attacking you anymore. Like I said though, I could be wrong but, I think your plan could have gone better had you not posted this on the forums for them to see.
Kota	Posted - 2005.02.02 23:48:00 - [40] Edited by: Kota on 02/02/2005 23:48:52 Idea to stop them from recycling alts It wouldn't stop them immediately, but in long run they would run out of alts to recycle.
Raymears Extremesurvival	Posted - 2005.02.03 01:15:00 - [41] even if they see this theyre gonna know they have to stop doing it or be banned so its a win-win thing really gl with this vernn
Ishen Villone	Posted - 2005.02.03 02:15:00 - [42] Try going out with a good clone and no implants. When they blow you up talk a lot of smack, taunt them, try and get them to pod you. :)
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.02.04 05:35:00 - [43] Anymore updates? Did they show up again? The GM said earlier this alt recycling is a bannable offense. Hopefully they did this and were shown the door. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.04 06:08:00 - [44] I relocated to a much more secluded system far far away. However, I just checked my buddy list and one of the gankers is on. I suppose ill roll over there in an indy and see if they wanna play. I just wanted to take a break from the war for a few days to get some quiet mining done and to get some money together, but with how relentless these guys are, they will always be around until they are banned, so i'll get em eventually. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.04 06:14:00 - [45] Operation "Smacktalk" has commenced. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Vernn	Posted - 2005.02.04 06:52:00 - [46] Well, no response to the smacktalk. Reborn 006 is on, but none of his buddies have logged on yet. Who knows, maybe they got banned. Either way, I went and got my old procurer I forgot about and stripped it down and its setting in the eletta ice field now. I'm gunna go watch a movie. We'll see what happens. Best quote ever = "Needless to say, the wedding couldn't happen with the bride dead."
Piscis	Posted - 2005.02.05 10:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Vernn I'm not sure about this, but I don't think they get a security status hit unless they kill me! I think ill take the damaged iteron back to the belt so they can blow it up so they get the security hit. My whole goal is to just be done with these fools once and for all and the faster that happens the better, even if it means sacrificing 10 more ships! They get a 0.5 sec hit for shooting you, and a 2.0 sec hit for blowing your ship. The sec system is screwed, there is a decimal place adrift somewhere, because a 0.5 sec hit drops you from say 0.0 to -0.05... Strange.

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