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Zeth Shadowbane	Posted - 2011.03.14 06:35:00 - [1] I'm a pretty new player (less than 3 months)and the constant suicide ganking is getting absurd. This needs to be fixed because it makes it nearly impossible for a newbie barge pilot to make a living. Any clown with a destroyer can warp onto me and blow me up before I can warp out even when I'm lined up with a station. I thought high sec was supposed to be a safe place for new players to learn the game and build up assets before going to low sec. As it is, I can't go more than a week without getting popped and my strip miners looted. Since I started flying barges about 6 weeks ago, I've gotten suicide ganked 6 times and I never took my barge out during the last 2 weeks of February for obvious reasons. I know I can't be the only new player getting frustrated with this. The ironic thing is that all the old players macro mining in their hulks are immune from this because they can survive long enough for concord to save them. So in effect, new miners have nowhere safe but old players can strip all the resources from the newbie areas in complete safety. I don't know what the solution is but if this keeps up, I'm going to quit the game. Starting an industrial character seems to be more trouble than its worth and running the same missions over and over for days on end holds very little interest for me.
Savatar Mei	Posted - 2011.03.14 06:40:00 - [2] mine in 1.0 or 0.9 for most safety fit ur ship with stabiliser to enter warp quicker when ur aligned keep ur speed above 75% of ur max speed for instant warp out or get a hulk (can be done in 21 days) join null sec alliance cos its probably safer out there as they protect their territory
Zeth Shadowbane	Posted - 2011.03.14 06:53:00 - [3] Originally by: Savatar Mei mine in 1.0 or 0.9 for most safety fit ur ship with stabiliser to enter warp quicker when ur aligned keep ur speed above 75% of ur max speed for instant warp out or get a hulk (can be done in 21 days) join null sec alliance cos its probably safer out there as they protect their territory How am I going to pay for a hulk, if I keep having to spend all my money on retrievers. Having the training doesn't do me any good if I can't afford a ship. And so I'm not going to buy PLEX to be able to play the game. I'm already playing the subscription fee every month. Losing ship in a war is one thing. But why is it okay that new players can be ganked when mining, but all the macro mining alts can run their hulks all day with no fear. High sec is supposed to protect new players not a way for experienced players to farm money. Also, how are you getting 21 days to get to a Hulk. For me its 14 days for Astrogeology 5 and 18 days for barges 5. If I could afford level 5 implants, i wouldn't be *****ing about getting my barges popped all the time.
Arushia Nova Labs New Eden Research.	Posted - 2011.03.14 07:20:00 - [4] Dude, where the hell are you mining? New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
Ryoko Zelin	Posted - 2011.03.14 07:31:00 - [5] This seems to be an abnormally high amount of ganking. if it was just a bit more frequent and by the same people i'd say it borders on harrassment. Best advise I can give is to move to a new system. find a nice out of the way system, use the even map to look at system activity and find one that has next to 0. If you want to make the good iskies. I suggest joining a mining corp and getting in on a mining fleet. a good mining fleet will have a boosting orca and several hulks, and will divide the loot evenly for everyone. you may not might as much as a hulk but a corp that cares about its members will not give you the shaft. also 0.0 mining is very lucrative. but not many 0.0 entities recruit mining Only characters.
Mithfindel Gariushi Foundation	Posted - 2011.03.14 09:19:00 - [6] Worth to note that if you find a less crowded system, you do have a smaller chance to get suicide ganked (since the system doesn't offer as many potential targets) as well as you are having more ore for yourself. Remember insuring your ship, and consider fitting some tanking modules to increase your chances of survival. Mine at range from the rocks, preferably above the plane, so you cannot be insta-warped to, giving you a chance to warp away if known hostile pilots enter the field. Monitor local and/or directional scanner. Consider mission mining. (Do missions until you find one with lots of ore, do not turn the mission in but mine the ore.) Not sure if the rookie alt trick still works. (Shoot yourself or someone in the belt with an alternate character flying a rookie ship - this spawns CONCORD on-site, potentially decreasing response time. Do note that recycling this character to get rid of negative security status is classified as an exploit.)
GizzyBoy	Posted - 2011.03.14 11:40:00 - [7] You are mining in high sec right? That means you should be getting lots of kill rights on these fellows, What you need to think about doing is setting traps or trapping them at stations or in missions, There's a number of people who would assist you in such endevours, by doing things like can baiting, your merc's / friends lay a can next to your ship which you fill with ore whilst mining. They sit and wait cloaked ready to pounce, also this isn't something that was happening during hulkamagedon was it? you do know what that is dont you?
Janos Saal	Posted - 2011.03.14 11:42:00 - [8] Originally by: Zeth Shadowbane I thought high sec was supposed to be a safe place Found your problem, hope this helps. Also - if you don't have time to warp out then you're probably a **ing spastic who mines at the warp in. Protip: warp in, fly OVER the belt, and then set up on the far side. Anybody warping to the belt at 0 will have to travel 30+km to even reach you - well outside the range of warp disruptors and most DD guns, giving even the most ****ed player ample time to run back to station.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.14 12:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Zeth Shadowbane I'm a pretty new player (less than 3 months)and the constant suicide ganking is getting absurd. This needs to be fixed because it makes it nearly impossible for a newbie barge pilot to make a living. Where are you mining? If it was as endemic as you say, we should have seen (and heard) more about it. Quote: Any clown with a destroyer can warp onto me and blow me up before I can warp out even when I'm lined up with a station. "Lined up"? Being lined up makes zero difference. You need to be aligned (i.e. moving towards) the place you're going to warp to if you want to warp faster. Quote: I thought high sec was supposed to be a safe place for new players to learn the game and build up assets before going to low sec. You thought wrong. It's really that simple. Highsec if not a safe place ù it's just a place where aggression comes at a cost, and where you gamble that this cost will be enough of a deterrent to not make you a target todayà Quote: The ironic thing is that all the old players macro mining in their hulks are immune from this because they can survive long enough for concord to save them. No they don't. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kacer Xenro Swords Horses and Heavy Metal	Posted - 2011.03.14 13:11:00 - [10] i only see two losses on the killboards, both of them in a .5 system. so either you arent posting killmails or you're a liar. no one is immune to a gank, not even if they've been playing for the last 7 years. the best you can do to not get suicide ganked, is to stop mining and start running missions instead, the pay is better as well.
Jaik7	Posted - 2011.03.14 15:29:00 - [11] i think that you were mining during hulkageddon. this is when some guy named helicity bosun sets up a system which rewards the top pirates for the number of industrial ship kills. watch the crime and punishment forums every once in a while and you'll see him post a thread about it. if you were paying attention and avoided mining during hulkageddon, then this is very abnormal and a really wierd story. i used to mine in a retri all the time and only ever had to deal with a few can flippers. in my whole career i've never been ganked while mining. maybe you caught all my bad luck
Corporal Punishment08 NosWaffle Nostradamus Effect	Posted - 2011.03.14 16:41:00 - [12] Ya know what though? You're just giving us ideas, cause now I'm totally going to go find a retriever and pop it with a cormy. I'm joking of course ;) But on a serious note, go to "Market Discussions" and ask for a loan for a Hulk. I am even tempted to help you out, but I don't quite have enough. 170 mil is peanuts to those guys, and if you pay em back, which you should, then you will be set for life. Your other option is to ask for a loan from you corp, provided you're in a non-npc corp. But yeah, that is weird that your retriever is getting popped all the time. Can't explain that, except for the "Hulkageddon" theory that someone has already put out. Even in my 0.5 off-the-beaten-path system I mission out of, I see Retrievers roaming safely all the time. And Hulks, and Noctii. _____________________________________ Real men corpse tank.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2011.03.14 16:43:00 - [13] Remove insurance payout for self inflicted deaths. Doesn't remove the "problem", but alleviates it. No matter what you do there will always be a loop-hole that the sociopaths can squeeze their fat asses through so the best one can do is make it not worth their time .. Even children eventually get bored burning ants with a magnifying glass.
Centri Sixx	Posted - 2011.03.14 17:00:00 - [14] It's better I think to avoid barges and mine with a T1 mining cruiser until you can hit the hulk level in a decent corporation. T1 barges are not worth it any more with suicide ganking: they cannot fit a decent tank, are too slow to warp out, can barely warp a decent distance, and requiring expensive fittings. Your osprey has 4 med slots, 3 of which you can put extenders on to give you enough buffer to survive a dessie strike in hisec, costs less, requires less skills to fly, is faster to align and warp, can be swapped out to other types of PvE when bored, and is a far better ship. It also will cause gankers to take a loss on every suicide gank, which will dissuade a lot of them. CCP doesn't really care about indy players, so it's up to us to adapt and balance the situation by denying them worthwhile kills. It's really the only weapon they gave us.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.14 17:16:00 - [15] Edited by: Goose99 on 14/03/2011 17:17:34 Retriever dessie gank is actually quite common. And no, they don't upload kms. It's done in part for fun, as the cost is basically nonexistent. Paradoxically, it's often done by carebear mission runners to drop sec ratings while having a bit of fun. High sec status is considered a liability for carebears those days, as it encourages wardecs. Ideally, it's dropped down to -1 with a 5k bounty put up for "wanted" label for carebears. A retriever is ganked at little cost (no cormy, use thrasher or catalyst), its pilot unlike to be able to hit back, and produce a decent sec drop, bonus for pod kill. In any case, consider a BS with 7-8 turrets, which outmines a retriever, although not a covetor or hulk. Takes around 3 days to train from scratch, you don't need BS lvl5.
Misanthra	Posted - 2011.03.14 19:56:00 - [16] You mined near low sec...dn't do that. low sec one jump away gets you done their empire sprees and you are the last hit on the way out...or they run the gate in. You also said you left missioning because its borings. I smell afk kills here....or your idea of boring is really off when watching beams for 3 hours is more exciting than spamming wc and ae.
mantis prime	Posted - 2011.03.14 21:30:00 - [17] Why are you in a retriever when you should be running missions noobie? Are you a bot? Yeah probably....
EnderCapitalG Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.14 22:18:00 - [18] Edited by: EnderCapitalG on 14/03/2011 22:19:38 Piekura (0.5) 03/14/11 03:39:00 Piekura (0.5) 02/07/11 19:58:00 Here's an idea: Stop mining in 0.5. E: Destroyed items: Veldspar Mining Crystal I Survey Scanner I Modulated Strip Miner II, Qty: 2 Plagioclase Mining Crystal I (Cargo) Scordite Mining Crystal I (Cargo) Pyroxeres Mining Crystal I, Qty: 2 (Cargo) Hobgoblin I, Qty: 3 (Drone Bay) Dropped items: Veldspar Mining Crystal I Small Armor Repairer I Expanded Cargohold II Plagioclase Mining Crystal I (Cargo) Scordite Mining Crystal I (Cargo) Hobgoblin I, Qty: 2 (Drone Bay) Check out that Small Armor Rep. pr0
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.16 04:39:00 - [19] And funny, those are the only two kills out there on retrievers for you. You wouldn't be exaggerating, would you, Zeth?
Meyiza Heer	Posted - 2011.03.16 09:24:00 - [20] Edited by: Meyiza Heer on 16/03/2011 09:27:23 Hey Zeth. Assuming this is happening ... and it would be a weird thread if you'd made it up for giggles, have you annoyed another miner by mining their turf? It seems that you've drawn attention from someone(s), p'raps it's an alt or corp member of 'that guy' on the other side of the belt in the Hulk, he'd be laughing himself silly, plus he'd know exactly where to find you. Keep an eye on pilot names in the same belt ... do you have a common ID of the ganker? You could either try a completely different system or region even, with some common sense ideas that the previous contributors have made (stay away from a low sec gateway, move up the sec ladder a bit, move off the belt's warp-in point, la la la). Or as Goose99 mentioned, spec up a BS. I've used a Megathron to mine a coupla times when I was completely bored ... (God knows why a person would mine when they're ALREADY bored!!). With some mining lasers fitted plus mining drones the Mega pulls in a bucket load of ore, plus you have options, like swapping your drones out for fighting ones, (the mega holds plenty of 'em), or keeping a couple of turrets for guns or missiles, still leaves 5 for mining lasers. And it's a little more robust. Point is, hi sec isn't safe, neither's crossing the road, you have to keep your eyes open, this game ain't no game. MH (hmm, had to update, i think I must swear too much, half the message was asterisks!)
LeeHarvey	Posted - 2011.03.22 01:47:00 - [21] So there is no way to mine in a Retriever without fear of suicide ganking? I like the advice to use a BS, because if you're mining in a 4mil Retriever you obviously have the loot for an 80mil BS. This game is lame.
Wayson Minmatar Sigma Affiliates	Posted - 2011.03.22 01:54:00 - [22] I didn't realize that destroyers could suicide retrievers. I think I've found a new way to entertain myself, thanks.
Misanthra	Posted - 2011.03.22 02:48:00 - [23] Originally by: LeeHarvey So there is no way to mine in a Retriever without fear of suicide ganking? Welcome to eve. About 3-4 months back an o-fit palladin was ganked for at least 30 bil in empire. O-fit tank is strong....but the gankers beat the concord buzzer and downed the ship all the same. NOthing safe from suicide.
Josef Huffenpuff Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.22 11:50:00 - [24] Originally by: LeeHarvey So there is no way to mine in a Retriever without fear of suicide ganking? There is no way to do ANYTHING in this game without fear of getting ganked the moment you undock. In return, you get the ability to gank the s*t out of somebody who clearly deserves it (or doesn't, meh) That's the whole point of this game.**
Shurikane	Posted - 2011.03.22 14:35:00 - [25] Less minin' potential, more tankin' potential. Put on some shield/armor thingies and outlast your ganker!
Amaroq Dricaldari Amarr Vengeance Industrial Militia	Posted - 2011.03.22 18:30:00 - [26] Get some drones, get an escort, or even do this: Orca + Tanking Modues + Mining Drones + Combat Drones = "I can't compete with this guy" You'll shoot your eye out, kid!
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.22 19:25:00 - [27] I feel bad for your poor experience mining in the game so far.. however, a retriever is what...7 to 9 million? Insurance should pay for the whole amount... unlike the loss of a t2 ship, the Hulk, which cost quite a bit more than the insurance will cover. I know it's a pain.. but remember other ships have the same problem.. not just a retriever. A well fit Hulk flown by a pilot with excellent tanking skill trained up and a command booster would survive almost all solo suicide ganks.. Anything less is going to have trouble. Remember there are alternatives to the retriever, a Domi, Rokh, or Abbadon might actually out-mine the retriever with appropriate skills and fits... while you'd have to sacrifice guns, you would at least have some slots for a good tank - something the retriever is lacking.
EDISON CLONE	Posted - 2011.03.27 21:42:00 - [28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndWUlntJ58U when the hunter becomes the Hunted! outfit your mining ship to grief the griefer..
Johnny Lou	Posted - 2011.03.27 22:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Zeth Shadowbane I thought high sec was supposed to be a safe place for new players to learn the game and build up assets before going to low sec. That may have been the original idea, long long time ago. Right now, there are a lot of people who would like it to be like that (safe) unfortunately, those who don't, cry a lot more efficient and manage to get their point across I think it's because a lot of the new players don't know their way around the eve forums and how to avoid getting caught in silly arguments and by the time they learn these things they get used to the "EVE way" and don't really care anymore don't worry, you'll get used to it eventually it's not all that bad.
Neo Omni Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.28 06:01:00 - [30] Game flaw that needs addressing, plain and simple. The whole "suicide" concept in EVE needs to go.

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