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Bane Necran
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Posted - 2011.03.19 14:12:00 -
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The radioactive waste from nuclear plants is far worse than any amount of carbon.
They were trying to figure out a symbol to put on bunkers where they store it so that civilizations tens of thousands of years from now who may not know any languages we use now will be able to identify it as harmful. That's pretty ****ed up right there.
Recent developments in capacitors make solar power a much more viable option. That was always the sticking point. Not that solar can't generate enough power, but that the sun tends to be down for half of the day. I think it's long overdue we move into the modern age. Nuclear power sounded cool about 50 years ago, but the honeymoon is over.
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Posted - 2011.03.19 14:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Bane Necran
The radioactive waste from nuclear plants is far worse than any amount of carbon.
They were trying to figure out a symbol to put on bunkers where they store it so that civilizations tens of thousands of years from now who may not know any languages we use now will be able to identify it as harmful. That's pretty ****ed up right there.
Recent developments in capacitors make solar power a much more viable option. That was always the sticking point. Not that solar can't generate enough power, but that the sun tends to be down for half of the day. I think it's long overdue we move into the modern age. Nuclear power sounded cool about 50 years ago, but the honeymoon is over.
Sure, we need alternatives to nuclear power, that much is a fact. But solar power replacing nuclear power "overnight" on a global scale? Negro please.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.19 14:26:00 -
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I didn't say anything about overnight.
Just stop making new nuclear plants and phase them out gradually.
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Zyck
Imminent Ruin
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.03.19 17:14:00 -
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Juggling DU actually wouldn't be harmful at all as long as the pieces aren't massive enough to cause harm from weight. They only emit alpha particle radiation which is so deadly and powerful a piece of paper would completely stop it. The only time DU is dangerous is when its ingested through the lungs or in water because then the radioactive pieces stay in your body and is constantly providing a source of radiation rather than a brief dose that can't penetrate your skin.
The more you know.
Also, lol at the dirty hippy.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.03.19 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Zyck
Juggling DU actually wouldn't be harmful at all as long as the pieces aren't massive enough to cause harm from weight. They only emit alpha particle radiation which is so deadly and powerful a piece of paper would completely stop it. The only time DU is dangerous is when its ingested through the lungs or in water because then the radioactive pieces stay in your body and is constantly providing a source of radiation rather than a brief dose that can't penetrate your skin.
The more you know.
Also, lol at the dirty hippy.
Guess what? when you shoot a depleted uranium round some of it vaporises and spreads tiny particles in an invisible cloud after impact that can be breathed in.
A Russian scientist confirmed as much and found himself sacked and disgraced by Russian authorities and western governments refused to acknowledge the scientists conclusion and media seemed to be coerced into not making the experiments and data public knowledge.
Sure small tank & cannon rounds individually wont irradiate large areas but I wouldn't want to take a stroll through an area soon after thousands of them have been fired.
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.03.19 18:45:00 -
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Depleted uranium is much more toxic chemically, (since it is a heavy metal), than it is radiocatively.
By the time you collect enough radiation from DU to get sideeffects, you already have kidney defects and such from simple heavy metal poisoning.
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Selinate
Amarr
Red Water Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.20 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Selinate on 20/03/2011 12:55:58
The reason that an alpha particle can be stopped by a piece of paper is because it has a higher chance of...
Oh screw it, it's just easier to say it's more dangerous than certain energies of gamma radiation or beta particle radiation, and the reason it's more dangerous if it hits a human being is because it can be stopped by a piece of paper.
Also, I'll laugh if all these anti-nuclear idiots get their way, and suddenly all the fission products that we use for other purposes are suddenly gone, and then the anti-nuclear are idiots are going "Where's our stuff?"
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Thuranni
Eldjotnar
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Posted - 2011.03.20 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Thuranni on 20/03/2011 21:51:32
Edited by: Thuranni on 20/03/2011 21:51:00
For the anti nuclear people:
Deaths by tWh per energy source.
Originally by: Bane Necran
The radioactive waste from nuclear plants is far worse than any amount of carbon.
They were trying to figure out a symbol to put on bunkers where they store it so that civilizations tens of thousands of years from now who may not know any languages we use now will be able to identify it as harmful. That's pretty ****ed up right there.
Recent developments in capacitors make solar power a much more viable option. That was always the sticking point. Not that solar can't generate enough power, but that the sun tends to be down for half of the day. I think it's long overdue we move into the modern age. Nuclear power sounded cool about 50 years ago, but the honeymoon is over.
Argh, no it isn't, you're just plain wrong. Nuclear waste is nowhere near as dangerous as the media would want you to believe.
Also, modern reactors such as Thorium based ones produce little to no waste. However, anti nuclear people such as yourself have managed to block the construction of any new reactors, so we're stuck with 40 year old outdated pieces of ****.
Finally, this will be a non-issue in the coming decades, because we are on the verge of functioning fusion power plants. However, I'm sure that the regressive, scared and ignorant masses (you) will find a reason to be against that, too.
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Anna Nas
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Posted - 2011.03.22 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alotta Baggage
I'm proud to be a citizen of the only country in the world that uses depleted uranium shells 
Also if you're close enough to the impact to inhale the particles you have bigger problems 
Actually both the UK and the US have stated they used DU ammo so check your facts. And yeah, if you are around when the shells hit you have bigger problems. But if some kid who happens to live in the 'liberated' area walks by some time later, does he or she also deserve to breathe in that same DU dust? Their fault for living where they do, in your opinion?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.23 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 23/03/2011 09:47:55
RADIATION CHARTS!!!
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Posted - 2011.03.23 10:34:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 23/03/2011 09:47:55
RADIATION CHARTS!!!
Boo! Here I had hoped for some funny chart where I could make a comparison to weight gain and weight loss....
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NightmareX
Infinitus Odium
Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.23 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 23/03/2011 21:56:35
Norway also have a nuclear reactor power plant, but it's not used to provide electricity to houses or anything like that. It's used for testing purposes only.
And actually, the Norwegian nuclear reactor power plant is one of the worlds safest one to use. First the nuclear reactor are placed deep inside a mountain. Secondly, the security system they are using in the Fukushima reactors are made in Norway to. And they are using that security system on the nuclear reactor in Norway. Japan have also invested about 400 million dollars in the Norwegian security systems.
So if it haven't been for the problems with the cooling systems on the Fukushima power plant, then everything would have worked perfectly with the security systems there.
So i'll guess they have to think a new way on where they have to place the cooling systems on nuclear reactor power plants from now on for those plants who might get hit by some tsunamies or anything like that.
But yeah, this was kinda off topic since the topic was about german nuclear power plants.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.03.23 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
The radioactive waste from nuclear plants is far worse than any amount of carbon.
They were trying to figure out a symbol to put on bunkers where they store it so that civilizations tens of thousands of years from now who may not know any languages we use now will be able to identify it as harmful. That's pretty ****ed up right there.
Recent developments in capacitors make solar power a much more viable option. That was always the sticking point. Not that solar can't generate enough power, but that the sun tends to be down for half of the day. I think it's long overdue we move into the modern age. Nuclear power sounded cool about 50 years ago, but the honeymoon is over.
Solar is not going to happen, several reasons for it:
1) materials used to make cells for solar panels are very toxic
2) the cells in the solar panels wear out in time so the productivity of the solar panels gets lower and lower as time passes by
The general life span of solar panel is around 20-30 years, in the end you have a piece of crap that barely works and expansive to recycle because it is full of toxic materials.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.24 02:19:00 -
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Thought I should give this thread a rest for a while so the "educated" fools in here have more rope to hang themselves with.
Boy, was it effective. 
The term cognitive dissonance comes to mind.
Anyway, here¦s somebody actually in the know: What They're Covering Up at Fukushima
Some highlights:
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if you are so sure that they're safe, why not build them in the center of the city, instead of hundreds of miles away where you lose half the electricity in the wires?
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This is the butt end of the reactor. Take a look. ItĘs a forest of switch levers and wires and pipes. On television these pseudo-scholars come on and give us simple explanations, but they know nothing, those college professors. Only the engineers know.
This is where water has been poured in. This maze of pipes is enough to make you dizzy. Its structure is too wildly complex for us to understand. For a week now they have been pouring water through there.
And itĘs salt water, right? You pour salt water on a hot kiln and what do you think happens? You get salt. The salt will get into all these valves and cause them to freeze. They wonĘt move. This will be happening everywhere.
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These industry-mouthpiece scholars come on TV and what to they say? They say as you move away the radiation is reduced in inverse ratio to the square of the distance.
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You breathe it in, it sticks inside your body; the distance between you and it is now at the micron level.
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Radiation exposure is increased by a factor of a trillion. Inhaling even the tiniest particle, thatĘs the danger.
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Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.03.24 14:05:00 -
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if you are so sure that they're safe, why not build them in the center of the city, instead of hundreds of miles away where you lose half the electricity in the wires?
uuhhh.... there are nuclear reactors smack dab in the middle of Toronto, Ontario.
A major metropolis.
I'm sure it is not the only one.
So you can stop reading there. lol
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.03.24 17:01:00 -
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The same reason you dont have any other major industry in the middle of any town, but on its perimeters.
Compounded by the fact that lots of cooling water, or huge cooling towers are either hard to come by, or ungainly in a city centre.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.24 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
if you are so sure that they're safe, why not build them in the center of the city, instead of hundreds of miles away where you lose half the electricity in the wires?
do you put a coal powerplant in the middle of a city?
or a solar station?
or a wind farm?
or a metalworks industry?
or a car factory?
or a computer factory?
or a refinery?
I could come with dozens of examples why you don't put industries in the middle of a city.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.24 19:05:00 -
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Seriously? I¦ve expected more of you Grim.
Originally by: Grimpak
do you put a coal powerplant in the middle of a city?
Ever heard of Germany? I can see its chimney from my window.
That¦s why German engineers invented proper filter technologies.
Actual High tech that REALLY saves the planet, to filter actual pollution. A technology that does more for the planet than all reactors and carbon trading hysteria ever will. Quote:
or a solar station?
You mean like them solar pannels on every roof we could have, if only a fraction of the funds wasted on nuclear would be invested in a "1 million rooftop" solar panel government incentive?
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or a wind farm?
or a metalworks industry?
or a car factory?
Uhm, where the heck DO you live?
All these are routinely found in the middle or very near European cities.
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or a computer factory?
or a refinery?
I could come with dozens of examples why you don't put industries in the middle of a city.
And which don¦t give children leukemia just from living near it.
They call it a study but it¦s basically cold hard numbers. Even paid government or big energy scientists aren¦t able to spin these statistics. But I bet you guys won¦t have any problems.
Depressing.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.24 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
I'm sure it is not the only one.
Yeah, I¦m sure right now the Japanese are high fiveing constantly about this.
And the peeps in Toronto are lining up for "Hug the Containment Vessel" day. 
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So you can stop reading there. lol
Please do.
lol
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Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.03.24 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Originally by: Riedle
I'm sure it is not the only one.
Yeah, I¦m sure right now the Japanese are high fiveing constantly about this.
And the peeps in Toronto are lining up for "Hug the Containment Vessel" day.
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So you can stop reading there. lol
Please do.
lol
But you, or more correctly, your kooky source inferred that because they were not in the middle of cities ergo 'THEY' know they are not safe.
I disproved that ridiculous inference.
lol, I love conspiracy whackos. All they can do is keep moving the goal posts when they present a fallacy.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.24 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
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or a wind farm?
or a metalworks industry?
or a car factory?
Uhm, where the heck DO you live?
All these are routinely found in the middle or very near European cities.
portugal, and those are usually in areas that are far from big population centers here.
look, I'm not saying it isn't a problem and I am anti-nuclear, but between coal or gas plants that use the ever dwindling fossil fuels that we extract from politically convoluted areas, and nuclear plants lying around to cover the gap between fossil fuel plants and renewable plants and that actually have a higher energy generation than fossil fuel ones, I take my chances and accept the risks with nuclear.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.25 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Riedle
But you, or more correctly, your kooky source inferred that because they were not in the middle of cities ergo 'THEY' know they are not safe.
I disproved that ridiculous inference.
Explain to me again what exactly you disproved there bubba.
That transporting highly lethal and genome destroying (cancer)rocks through densely populated areas is not a good idea?
Then after throwing them in a tank to boil the water until they¦re not "that" hot anymore, store them next door because nobody has a real clue how to safely dispose of them for the needed millions of years?
Yepp, you dispelled the EFF out of those facts.
OF COURSE "they" know it¦s not safe, only a total tool would believe otherwise. Just a couple of unforeseen problems and we have ALL kinds of nasty,permanent&lethal things happening to the surroundings. And that¦s not even taking into account the cancer rates of their personnel and population living close by when everything runs mostly OK(hint:Sellafield).
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lol, I love conspiracy whackos. All they can do is keep moving the goal posts when they present a fallacy.
At least we have something in common.
Love them too. Seem to be much more interested in their surroundings, and have a kind of "streetwise" world view that actually questions general assumptions from time to time.
Like that very much.
BTW, good move to distract from the actual gist of that article, by trying to put down this little quip at the start of that whopper interview. Seemed to work.
The curse of Tl;dr culture I guess.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.25 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 25/03/2011 01:59:11
Originally by: Thuranni
Argh, no it isn't, you're just plain wrong. Nuclear waste is nowhere near as dangerous as the media would want you to believe.
It's not about the media. The science shows a direct link between the rise of cancer and the beginning of the nuclear age. In fact certain cancers like Thyroid and Leukemia used to be extremely rare, and immediately after the very first nuke 'tests' started becoming quite common.
The media does everything it can to play this down, and will tell people just about anything causes cancer except nuclear radiation.
Fallout from Nuclear Weapons Tests and Cancer Risks. American Scientist. Jan-Feb 2006
And the radiation a bomb can release is nothing compared to what a meltdown can.
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.03.25 06:23:00 -
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This would not have anything to do with the overall increase in health care, and the subsequent elimination of most diseases that killed people before they got a chance to develop cancer, now would it?
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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.25 09:54:00 -
[115]
Eating too many bananas will increase your chanses of getting cancer, walking down the street will increase your chances of cancer.
We know what the body can take (there was a guy who was developing nuclear tech and was accidently exposed to a leathal dose, help kept working so people in the future didnt have to go through the same thing).
The media loves these things and always states in such a way that it just adds to confusion "RADATION LEVELS IN COOLING WATER 10,000 TIMES HIGHER THAN NORMAL" fine, what happnes if dangerous levels are 1,000,000 times normal? Its really helping the public by telling them half the story (and im 100% sure not everyone knows both the natural radioactivity level and the dangerous levels of radiation for a human)
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Anna Nas
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Posted - 2011.03.25 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Anna Nas on 25/03/2011 11:50:00
The sad thing is, nobody really knows what's happening. We just don't have the experience with these kinds of situations to predict what will happen in the end. Experts are saying as much, they have no idea how to resolve the situation at these plants, they don't know what the status of the equipment is, they are thinking up solutions as they go. I mean come on, driving up with firetrucks to hose the reactors down? Were we ever told that's what to expect when there is a major accident? Of couse not. There were 'procedures' for any event.
Same with the health issue. No-one knows how this will pan out. A sad state of affairs.
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.03.25 12:08:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 23/03/2011 09:47:55
RADIATION CHARTS!!!
Copypaste of my response in another forum:
Even more interesting would be to backplot and "Sievertize" the cancer risk (since Sievert measures cancer risk) of normal day-to-day things not involving radiation, like for example eating or breathing.
IIRC, the simple act of eating will get you about 50-60mSv worth of cancer risk a year (due to toxins and metabolism in general). Compare this to the exposure limit of 1 mSv/year due to nuclear industry. Or to lung cancer risk due to smoking.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.25 12:23:00 -
[118]
Originally by: M'ktakh
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 23/03/2011 09:47:55
RADIATION CHARTS!!!
Copypaste of my response in another forum:
Even more interesting would be to backplot and "Sievertize" the cancer risk (since Sievert measures cancer risk) of normal day-to-day things not involving radiation, like for example eating or breathing.
IIRC, the simple act of eating will get you about 50-60mSv worth of cancer risk a year (due to toxins and metabolism in general). Compare this to the exposure limit of 1 mSv/year due to nuclear industry. Or to lung cancer risk due to smoking.
I must remind the people in general however, that bananaphones actually release some amount of radioactivity.
please be careful when using bananaphones. Altho the amount of radiation per single use isn't much, spending most of the day with it at your ear might be harmful for your health.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.25 22:33:00 -
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Peer reviewed study showing cancer to be a man made, modern, disease.
Summary on Pysorg
My point in mentioning that is to illustrate how cancer isn't something that plagued humans in any other period before the industrial age.
And yes, there are causes of cancer aside from nuclear radiation, asbestos and dioxins come to mind, both of which are man-made. But i'm quite convinced myself that radiation from nuclear plants venting, or melting down, along with nuclear bombs, are the culprit of the vast majority of cancers. Either through breathing it, or eating contaminated food.
The sad and depressing thing is our society is already very inundated with carcinogens, but these meltdowns could be the tipping point where we go from the current 1/3 of humans dying from cancer, to most of us dying in 10-15 years, because that's the average minimum latency period for cancer.
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Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Peer reviewed study showing cancer to be a man made, modern, disease.
Summary on Pysorg
My point in mentioning that is to illustrate how cancer isn't something that plagued humans in any other period before the industrial age.
And yes, there are causes of cancer aside from nuclear radiation, asbestos and dioxins come to mind, both of which are man-made. But i'm quite convinced myself that radiation from nuclear plants venting, or melting down, along with nuclear bombs, are the culprit of the vast majority of cancers. Either through breathing it, or eating contaminated food.
The sad and depressing thing is our society is already very inundated with carcinogens, but these meltdowns could be the tipping point where we go from the current 1/3 of humans dying from cancer, to most of us dying in 10-15 years, because that's the average minimum latency period for cancer.
You are mixing up corellation with causation.
Everybody has cancer. At all times every human on the earth has cancer. It's just that the body is able to get rid of the cancerous cells before they are an issue. What part of the body does this work? The immune system mostly.
Anyways, as you get older, your immune system becomes less effective. This is when cancerous cells can become malignant and multiply and cause problems.
The thing is, in ancient Egypt, the average life span was like 35 years old. People died of other things before they had a chance to get cancer.
Your article, even the part you can read, does not say what your link title says it does. It says that there was, in fact cancer, in ancient times. They found some on Egyptiam mummies.
What the evidence says, was that there was less. But they don't know why.
You are saying that it is because of the nuclear age wheras I think the simpler explanation is our vastly longer life spans.
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