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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.03.21 10:49:00 -
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CCP Zulu's newest dev blog provides more detail about Shader Model 2.0 support. Read all about it here.
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Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
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Posted - 2011.03.21 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Jamaican Herbsman on 21/03/2011 10:52:02 first
edit: oops
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 10:55:00 -
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9,000 people use SM2? Not over 9000?
Yea, everything's fine then.
(I fully support this move, eve's superb graphics are a big hook for getting new players)
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Hachi Ironfist
Gallente Rubbish and Garbage Removal Bang Bang You're Dead
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Posted - 2011.03.21 10:56:00 -
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IBTC!
Maybe we can expect DX10/11 in the near future :O ? That would be awesome :D
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:15:00 -
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Noooo what will my poor 286 do now!?!
/c
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Thomas Gallant
Gallente ShadowCorp Industries Cadavera Innumera Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:23:00 -
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Hmm does this mean that a big upgrade to graphics will be coming soon? Here's hoping for shinier internet spaceships
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:24:00 -
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But why is there a need for a grace period if we can recustomize whenever?? |
DTson Gauur
Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:27:00 -
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I hope this means that there will also be an external way coming (read: EveGate) to change the skill queue, your decision just killed about all netbooks which quite happily run the current client enough to chat and manage skills etc.
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:28:00 -
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Awesome... I had no idea you guys where supporting video cards that are 8+ years old. Don't worry, these people already knew they needed an upgrade long before this.
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Illwill Bill
Reign of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/03/2011 11:32:38 Meh, can't blame you guys.
So, can anyone recommend a netbook with decent battery life and SM3? I "need" my Eve fix when traveling.
Edit: This better be needed for the new AWESOME cyno effect you promised!
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Captian Conrad
Minmatar Empyrean Warriors
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:43:00 -
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Wont need upgrading, but BIG KUDOS TO CCP for trying to partnership with a GPU vender for those 9k souls, 1st company i know that has tryed to _________________________________ Looking for cool pilots, check our advert |
ArchenTheGreat
Caldari Nomads of Zen
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Posted - 2011.03.21 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: DTson Gauur I hope this means that there will also be an external way coming (read: EveGate) to change the skill queue, your decision just killed about all netbooks which quite happily run the current client enough to chat and manage skills etc.
Unlikely. It will allow to create bot farms automatically growing new characters. HTTP is too easy to automate. CCP wants people to log into the game.
You can chat using EVE Gate. Changing skills is off limits.
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Ti Chi
Minmatar Pod Miners
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/03/2011 11:32:38 Meh, can't blame you guys.
So, can anyone recommend a netbook with decent battery life and SM3? I "need" my Eve fix when traveling.
Edit: This better be needed for the new AWESOME cyno effect you promised!
I use an Asus, with Nvidia ION graphics, supports SM4, gets a good 5 hours battery life when doing normal work. There should be a whole range of new devices what will handle it fine, with all the SoC ships coming out.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:10:00 -
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Is the Shader 3.0 requirement going to be for EVE Online (the spaceships) or is going to be for Carbon/Incarna/Beta for WoD? ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Karbowiak
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Illwill Bill Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/03/2011 11:32:38 Meh, can't blame you guys.
So, can anyone recommend a netbook with decent battery life and SM3? I "need" my Eve fix when traveling.
Edit: This better be needed for the new AWESOME cyno effect you promised!
This might sound biased and whatnot.. But a 13" MBP will run EVE nicely, the 2010 model - not the 2011 model.. The SandyBridges graphics card is just not powerfull enough - and its all there is in the 2011 model :(
But the 13" 2010 MBP is quite cheap now, and has a 10h battery life - even when running Windows as primary OS, incase you dont like OSX :) Oh and they are cheap now the 2011 model is out aswell
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Shandir
Minmatar EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Shandir on 21/03/2011 12:15:19 Wow, actually going as far as getting a discount for those users. Nice one, though I don't need it. I have to admit, '8 year old technology' is a bit disingenuous if there are a lot of netbooks currently employing it, although the technology may be 8yo, the systems which are built upon it are not always. I suggest you edit your blog to clarify this before a netbook user gets an unhappy surprise.
Edit: Grammar fail. - Vote Trebor Daehdoow for CSM and Chairman of CSM. Trebor's Campaign Manifesto |
Dariously Primrose Penken
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:29:00 -
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It just really goes to show how far out of touch CCP is with its player base. Yes we like eve, and we can all agree its pretty shiny now, why don't you fix whats wrong with it, instead of covering it up with eye candy in the hopes that the players will be lulled into joygasmic bliss.
If I gave you a nice shiny sports car, with all the latest tech inside of it, but no place for a motor, batteries or any such other means of propulsion or power, and no way of installing such things, would you still want it? Yet we the player base see this happening on a continuing basis, and we still see ccp glossing things over with making things shiny.
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Jason Edwards
Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:30:00 -
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sse2 req... shader 2 drop. Jeese how long until I need to upgrade my comp?
Amd 1090t 16 gigs ram 2x HD 5770 intel x25m v2 ssd 6tb hds
I bet AES instructions become mandatory soon and makes my comp obsolete. ------------------------ To make a megathron from scratch, you must first invent the eve universe.
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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:44:00 -
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Quote: we are working on securing a discount deal with a graphics card vendor
let me guess: nvidia? :P
Considering SM3 cards are dirt cheap, it shouldnt be a burden for people.
* * * Director Emeritus :: EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman
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drinking12many
Minmatar Nine Inch Ninja Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jason Edwards sse2 req... shader 2 drop. Jeese how long until I need to upgrade my comp?
Amd 1090t 16 gigs ram 2x HD 5770 intel x25m v2 ssd 6tb hds
I bet AES instructions become mandatory soon and makes my comp obsolete.
Hmm im guessing somewhere around 2018
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.21 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dariously Primrose Penken It just really goes to show how far out of touch CCP is with its player base. Yes we like eve, and we can all agree its pretty shiny now, why don't you fix whats wrong with it, instead of covering it up with eye candy in the hopes that the players will be lulled into joygasmic bliss.
If I gave you a nice shiny sports car, with all the latest tech inside of it, but no place for a motor, batteries or any such other means of propulsion or power, and no way of installing such things, would you still want it? Yet we the player base see this happening on a continuing basis, and we still see ccp glossing things over with making things shiny.
Fixing/balancing EVE Online <<<<< Making the graphics engine for the new game(s) coming out with the Carbon framework. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Shalune Regyri
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:03:00 -
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ITT whiners who have sm3 anyway. And people who dont care. No people without sm3 whining.
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente Genos Occidere Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:07:00 -
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If only you were banning 9000 bot accounts rather than 9000 genuine accounts I wouldn't have to hold you in massive contempt.
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Minsc
Gallente A.W.M
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dariously Primrose Penken It just really goes to show how far out of touch CCP is with its player base. Yes we like eve, and we can all agree its pretty shiny now, why don't you fix whats wrong with it, instead of covering it up with eye candy in the hopes that the players will be lulled into joygasmic bliss.
If I gave you a nice shiny sports car, with all the latest tech inside of it, but no place for a motor, batteries or any such other means of propulsion or power, and no way of installing such things, would you still want it? Yet we the player base see this happening on a continuing basis, and we still see ccp glossing things over with making things shiny.
Where have you been the past few months. CCP has been releasing dozens of little fixes that many people have been clamoring for since the game launched and continue to do so. If you're little troll was just supposed to be a thinly veiled *fix lag* rant then seriously, get new argument. Lag will never fully be solved. Even when they manage to redesign the server code to support dynamic load balancing it will likely STILL pop up from time to time. If you can't accept that then find another game genre cause lag is inevitable in MMO's.
Also your whole second paragraph just shows how clueless you are. FYI the graphics ENGINE is the second most important component of the game behind the server code and has a huge impact on game performance.
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Yuda Mann
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:23:00 -
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Shader 3 was first supported on the ATI Radeon R520 (x1300) and GeForce 6xxx series. Unbelievable that people are actually whining that a game in 2011 won't support those cards. It's also well and commonly known that you don't buy a netbook if you want to play current, modern games. Too bad if your non-gaming netbook won't be able to play a game. Whining about it just makes you look stupid. HI! |
LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:33:00 -
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Actually, my shiny new 2010 computer only supports the SM 2.0. My ancient P4 that barely runs eve has a SM 3.0 card. Go figure.
Well. It's time to stop whining and stop playing eve. And I think the numbers are higher than what they are saying.
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente Mia Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:36:00 -
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Eight years old graphic cards, huh?
Ok, CCP, nice move and all, but AT VERY LEAST try and be honest with this.
You're shoving down our throat this change. You do it to cut costs, to improve the product, to get rid of legacy, whatever. But at least don't pretend we're dumb or idiot.
The very machine I'm writing this stuff on is a run-of-the-mill office rig (HP DC7800P) with a low-spec graphic card integrated in the Intel Q35 chipset servicing the Core2Duo E8400 CPU.
- It supports SM2.0 - It doesn't support SM3.0 (checked with the app linked in the devblog) - It is still perfectly adequate for running low intensity tasks ingame like trading, POS caring, PI, hi-sec logistics and social stuff (chat, . - Probably won't be able to do that once you "discontinue" SM2.0. - It cannot be upgraded, as it's a work asset I'm allowed to use only after my daytime job is over and I relax a bit before going home. - Most important, it's a chipset released in June 2007 (reference). That's less than FOUR years ago. Not eight.
Thank you for reducing my play options. --- Kat |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:36:00 -
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Does this mean we're getting engine trails and a better cyno effect in the 'summer expansion'? ...
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Gallell
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Gallell on 21/03/2011 13:51:05 Sounds good, but computer manufacturers seem to go for the "cheep" graphic cards (sm 2.0, not sm3.0: in other words: Intel crap) which is a bit sad.
So just port the game to OpenGL (and make a native mac client ;) ), no problems :P
In any case, sounds like a good plan.
EDIT: a quick look on Google and it seems like sandy bridge do have support for SM4, but only "data sheets" text and no tech tests. --------
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Celgar Thurn
Minmatar Department 10
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Celgar Thurn on 21/03/2011 13:48:49 It's a bit of a pain for luddites like me. I will use the 'handy little app' link to see If my graphics card has Shader 3.0 or not. Personally I would rather CCP fix non-lag related problems such as making the Corporation Management system more user friendly than do things like this. *bashes head against a brick wall*
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.03.21 13:48:00 -
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Please X up if you play your primary or alt exclusively on a SM 2.0 chipset.
X
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Minsc
Gallente A.W.M
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Posted - 2011.03.21 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Bekers Eight years old graphic cards, huh?
Ok, CCP, nice move and all, but AT VERY LEAST try and be honest with this.
You're shoving down our throat this change. You do it to cut costs, to improve the product, to get rid of legacy, whatever. But at least don't pretend we're dumb or idiot.
The very machine I'm writing this stuff on is a run-of-the-mill office rig (HP DC7800P) with a low-spec graphic card integrated in the Intel Q35 chipset servicing the Core2Duo E8400 CPU.
- It supports SM2.0 - It doesn't support SM3.0 (checked with the app linked in the devblog) - It is still perfectly adequate for running low intensity tasks ingame like trading, POS caring, PI, hi-sec logistics and social stuff (chat, . - Probably won't be able to do that once you "discontinue" SM2.0. - It cannot be upgraded, as it's a work asset I'm allowed to use only after my daytime job is over and I relax a bit before going home. - Most important, it's a chipset released in June 2007 (reference). That's less than FOUR years ago. Not eight.
Thank you for reducing my play options.
Then maybe it's time for you to buy a gaming system at home.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6932153&Sku=SYX-5007
that system will run the game fine and it's $300.
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Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.03.21 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dariously Primrose Penken It just really goes to show how far out of touch CCP is with its player base. Yes we like eve, and we can all agree its pretty shiny now, why don't you fix whats wrong with it, instead of covering it up with eye candy in the hopes that the players will be lulled into joygasmic bliss.
If I gave you a nice shiny sports car, with all the latest tech inside of it, but no place for a motor, batteries or any such other means of propulsion or power, and no way of installing such things, would you still want it? Yet we the player base see this happening on a continuing basis, and we still see ccp glossing things over with making things shiny.
S T F U
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Hiram Alexander
Caldari The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.03.21 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize But why is there a need for a grace period if we can recustomize whenever??
Well once the grace period is over, as I understand it, anyone who hasn't created their own portrait will have a random one generated for them - which creates a potential 'problem' for (some) pilots - you'll soon be able to make unlimited changes to your character's *cosmetic* appearance, ie. hairstyle, jacket, pose, etc. What you *won't* be able to change is your 'physical' appearance, ie. weight, skin tone, musculature, etc.
So, if you were happy enough to let CCP give you a random face/fatness/skin colour etc. then the grace period would indeed be a non-issue, otherwise, ending-up a fat freckled Intaki lady, with a huge nose and beady eyes, might invoke a flood of 'tears' - so they've extended the grace period - very wisely.....
--HA HD Character Creation Videos - http://www.youtube.com/user/LexHiram?feature=mhsn |
Illwill Bill
Reign of Anarchy
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Posted - 2011.03.21 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Karbowiak
Originally by: Illwill Bill Edited by: Illwill Bill on 21/03/2011 11:32:38 Meh, can't blame you guys.
So, can anyone recommend a netbook with decent battery life and SM3? I "need" my Eve fix when traveling.
Edit: This better be needed for the new AWESOME cyno effect you promised!
This might sound biased and whatnot.. But a 13" MBP will run EVE nicely, the 2010 model - not the 2011 model.. The SandyBridges graphics card is just not powerfull enough - and its all there is in the 2011 model :(
But the 13" 2010 MBP is quite cheap now, and has a 10h battery life - even when running Windows as primary OS, incase you dont like OSX :) Oh and they are cheap now the 2011 model is out aswell
I'd be fired on the spot if I walked into the office with a Mac!
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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TheDuffMan
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.21 14:30:00 -
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No more Eve at work for me :-( |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.03.21 14:39:00 -
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Really, if a game cannot be played with an abacus, a stack of sheets of paper, and some coloured pens, it is not backward compatible enough. -
I wish I was a three foot tall doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes |
Epitrope
The Citadel Manufacturing and Trade Corporation
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Posted - 2011.03.21 14:47:00 -
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It was gracious of you to set up the "over 9000!" joke, but can we get some more numbers, please?
Originally by: changes to cpu requirements with incursion 1.1.0 CPUs that don't support the SSE2 instruction set will not be able to run EVE Online after the Incursion 1.1.0 deployment on Tuesday, January 18, 2011. ... We estimate that around 0.3% of the playerbase will be affected.
Originally by: shader model 2.0 support discontinued april 5th We realize there is still a portion of the player base (we estimate around 9,000 users) that has Shader Model 2 cards.
CCP Atropos wrote half a year ago about building thin clients to use for testing. This suggests to me that the client is or has become fairly modular. As someone who would lose the ability to play EVE on two laptops which have previously been enough for S&I and trading, can you build a client which has very low requirements, but which can't undock? Even on my desktop, it would be nice to have a lightweight client that I can leave running without drawing a lot of power.
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Vyktor Volentin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.21 15:02:00 -
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Horrible.
On mac, EVE with 3.0 shader model runs literally 2 frames per second. Creating a character with it was nearly impossible. You don't have a native port of the game for mac/opengl and the only shader model you will be providing slows it down to a crawl.
I run the game on low (2.0) shader settings because that's the only way to get decent fps. You apparently decided that the only statistic you needed was the number of people who have shader model 2.0, instead of how many are actually using it.
Short-sighted as always. |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.21 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 Is the Shader 3.0 requirement going to be for EVE Online (the spaceships) or is going to be for Carbon/Incarna/Beta for WoD?
The Shader Model 3 requirement will be for all of EVE Online. The Incarna expansion will need Shader Model 3 but one of the changes we are currently working on, and will be detailed later, will require Shader Model 3 everywhere.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente Mia Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.21 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Minsc
Originally by: Katrina Bekers (...) - It cannot be upgraded, as it's a work asset I'm allowed to use only after my daytime job is over and I relax a bit before going home. (...) Thank you for reducing my play options.
Then maybe it's time for you to buy a gaming system at home. (...)
Nothing was said in my post about my home machine. Which, in fact, can support SM3.0 perfectly fine. That was not the point, thank you very much for missing it entirely.
I said reducing my play options. Not removing. --- Kat |
NightmareX
Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.21 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vyktor Volentin Horrible.
On mac, EVE with 3.0 shader model runs literally 2 frames per second. Creating a character with it was nearly impossible. You don't have a native port of the game for mac/opengl and the only shader model you will be providing slows it down to a crawl.
I run the game on low (2.0) shader settings because that's the only way to get decent fps. You apparently decided that the only statistic you needed was the number of people who have shader model 2.0, instead of how many are actually using it.
Short-sighted as always.
LOL. Even my little 11.6 inch MacBook Air can run EVE pretty nice with most settings on High and some few settings on Medium and still have about 30 fps outside of Jita 4-4 station.
But yeah, i support this change on Shader Model.
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Lirinas
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Posted - 2011.03.21 15:37:00 -
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It's the price of progress. When a game like this continues to age, a decision must be made. Should it remain in the past and bore the old players and be overlooked by newer players. Or should it boldly press the frontiers forward to attempt to entice newer players to join and freshen the game, but at the expense of alienating older players unable or unwilling to change?
I personally support and understand this change. It removes the extra overhead, maintenance and manpower needed to develop and test the older SM2 codepath, while fully embracing the "newer" technology.
For those people that are left with computer that won't play EVE, there's been plenty of warning. That CCP is trying to work out a discount deal for people to upgrade is a nice gesture on their part to help those that need it. Other games I've seen that have increased their minimum specs over the years have done no such thing that I've ever seen.
Laptops are going to be the biggest-hit population. My old laptop won't be able to run it anymore, but little loss there. People with netbooks only a couple years old I do sympathize with, but netbooks were never intended to be gaming machines. Most netbooks I've seen have a hard time running Flash games, let alone something like EVE. That you've been able to run EVE on it at all for this long is rather impressive.
People using work computers I have less sympathy for. If you can't justify to your boss the reason you need to upgrade the graphics on your work terminal, then you probably don't need to be playing EVE on it. It's a work computer after all.
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Chruker
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Posted - 2011.03.21 15:52:00 -
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jeez, how hard is it to have your game report the hardware statistics. Then you'll have a complete and accurate statistic to base it on.
Alternatively you could just give a light client that can do all the UI intensive stuff (trading, POS managing, PI, skill switching), but just shows space stuff as icons, ex. make navigating from station to station/system just use the solarsystem map view.
Also, while you are at it, have your statistics report collect what zoom level people at using most of the time. I personally zoom very far out just to get an view of whats going on, so any beautifying of the graphics is completely lost.
Alternatively. You could make it so that all the fancy new stuff just allow you to zoom in close to your ship to admire its beauty.
Note: what heck is with the damn edit window... the textarea field is behaving moronicy when typing long replies. ----- http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online ----- Top wishes: - No daily downtime - Faster training on sisi
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2011.03.21 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dariously Primrose Penken It just really goes to show how far out of touch CCP is with its player base. Yes we like eve, and we can all agree its pretty shiny now, why don't you fix whats wrong with it, instead of covering it up with eye candy in the hopes that the players will be lulled into joygasmic bliss.
If I gave you a nice shiny sports car, with all the latest tech inside of it, but no place for a motor, batteries or any such other means of propulsion or power, and no way of installing such things, would you still want it? Yet we the player base see this happening on a continuing basis, and we still see ccp glossing things over with making things shiny.
Please don't speak for the entire player base. Speak only for yourself.
Your little analogy doesn't even make sense to me. Different teams work on different things. You wouldn't want CCP accounting team coding, now would you?
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Aturi Kuomi
13th Legion the lastchancers
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Posted - 2011.03.21 16:26:00 -
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Any chance of some comparative screenies to look at, or maybe some images of stuff you're working on with the 3.0 shader?
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Bl4ck Ph03n1x
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Posted - 2011.03.21 16:28:00 -
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Eve is a modern game. To play it, you need a modern gaming graphic card. Not an X-years old integrated GPU.
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Leiture
Amarr Liliis tenaci vimine jungor
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Posted - 2011.03.21 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Quote: we are working on securing a discount deal with a graphics card vendor
let me guess: nvidia? :P
And only for North America. Europe deserve to die.
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2011.03.21 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Is the Shader 3.0 requirement going to be for EVE Online (the spaceships) or is going to be for Carbon/Incarna/Beta for WoD?
The Shader Model 3 requirement will be for all of EVE Online. The Incarna expansion will need Shader Model 3 but one of the changes we are currently working on, and will be detailed later, will require Shader Model 3 everywhere.
Do they include engine trails and cyno effects?
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Pashino
Minmatar Venice Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.21 17:18:00 -
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Ok, my friends and I have video chips that support Shader 3. The question now is, is that enabled at present in-game? In the ESC menu, on the graphics page, in the Graphic Content Settings there is a setting for Shader quality. Do the High/Low options available there indicate Shader 3/2 or merely shader on/off, or something else? It is important that we know -now- how to enable Shader 3 in-game so that we can evaluate the performance on our current rigs. There are some video chipsets out there that support Shader 3 but totally suck, performance-wise, when it is enabled; and we need a way to prepare for this.
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Amarana Idalo
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Posted - 2011.03.21 17:53:00 -
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I too would like being able to log in an adjust skills or move items around on a laptop, and its common to be stuck using a low end intel graphics card on any form of light-weight long battery life laptop.
It might be nice to have a "we expect to support the minimum requirement of shader model X" to last for Y months.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.03.21 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer The Shader Model 3 requirement will be for all of EVE Online. The Incarna expansion will need Shader Model 3 but one of the changes we are currently working on, and will be detailed later, will require Shader Model 3 everywhere.
What is the MINIMUM amount of GPU memory required for these Shader 3.0 cards?
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Chinwe Rhei
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.21 18:17:00 -
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My card does support Shader Model 3 (7600GT) but the character editor is really slow on it unless i turn the shaders to Low. The way i usually create a character is start with Low shaders, sculpt everything and then switch to High shaders only for the final touches. The spaceship game itself is just fine with shaders on High.
I was hoping that i can run the Incarna part with Low shaders and frankly i don't think any card older than 3 years or so (and none of the integrated cards at all) will run Incarna on High shaders smoothly with a dozen avatars running around.
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Kerr avonn
Minmatar Standard By 10
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Posted - 2011.03.21 18:31:00 -
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CCP: We're going to make EvE even more lovely and shiny than it already is SOME CHEAP ASS PEOPLE: Moan moan moan
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.21 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lirinas Laptops are going to be the biggest-hit population. My old laptop won't be able to run it anymore, but little loss there. People with netbooks only a couple years old I do sympathize with, but netbooks were never intended to be gaming machines. Most netbooks I've seen have a hard time running Flash games, let alone something like EVE. That you've been able to run EVE on it at all for this long is rather impressive.
People using work computers I have less sympathy for. If you can't justify to your boss the reason you need to upgrade the graphics on your work terminal, then you probably don't need to be playing EVE on it. It's a work computer after all.
QFT&E.
Complaining about not being able to run it on netbooks? Work computers? HI-LA-RI-OUS!
These complaints are, predictably, not even remotely valid. If your PC was not built for gaming to begin with, maybe you shouldn't be gaming on it?
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.03.21 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zulu
we currently have to develop for cards up to and over 8 years old.
http://www.xkcd.com/870/
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Arushia
Nova Labs New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:30:00 -
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So much for playing on my laptop. How the frak am I supposed to update its card?
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Quote: we are working on securing a discount deal with a graphics card vendor
let me guess: nvidia? :P
It's a known vendor that we have a close partnership with.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kenpachi Viktor
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Is the Shader 3.0 requirement going to be for EVE Online (the spaceships) or is going to be for Carbon/Incarna/Beta for WoD?
The Shader Model 3 requirement will be for all of EVE Online. The Incarna expansion will need Shader Model 3 but one of the changes we are currently working on, and will be detailed later, will require Shader Model 3 everywhere.
Do they include engine trails and cyno effects?
Not this particular project that I'm referring to.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Leiture
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Quote: we are working on securing a discount deal with a graphics card vendor
let me guess: nvidia? :P
And only for North America. Europe deserve to die.
It will be more than just N-America.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:49:00 -
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Many years ago some of my friends vowed they will never purchase any game, that would not support DOS anymore and would require them to install Windows 95.
These people are still playing games, so do I (not on Win95 of course
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Terry Teo
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
Quote: we are working on securing a discount deal with a graphics card vendor
let me guess: nvidia? :P
It's a known vendor that we have a close partnership with.
OH MY GOD THE CARD IS BEING SUPPLIED BY SATAN!!
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Daneel Trevize But why is there a need for a grace period if we can recustomize whenever??
Re-customize only allows you to change certain things about your character. Not body type, bone structure, face and so forth. -- Salpad |
Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.03.21 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Captian Conrad Wont need upgrading, but BIG KUDOS TO CCP for trying to partnership with a GPU vender for those 9k souls, 1st company i know that has tryed to
Please wrap your head around the fact that it is far from trivial to upgrade a 5 or 6 year old computer with a modern graphics card.
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Chinwe Rhei My card does support Shader Model 3 (7600GT) but the character editor is really slow on it unless i turn the shaders to Low. The way i usually create a character is start with Low shaders, sculpt everything and then switch to High shaders only for the final touches. The spaceship game itself is just fine with shaders on High.
I was hoping that i can run the Incarna part with Low shaders and frankly i don't think any card older than 3 years or so (and none of the integrated cards at all) will run Incarna on High shaders smoothly with a dozen avatars running around.
My laptop can run EVE just fine, and acording to the app it does support SM 3.0 in spite of having some ind of on-board graphics card, but I was unable to run the character customization interface, it was exceedingly slow and laggy (with everything set to minimum), so I had to visit a friend and borrow his computer to customize my main and my alt.
It'll be interesting to see if I can actually play EVE after SM 3 becomes mandatory.
And no, I cannot buy an EVE-suitable gaming rig for $300. I live in a placed called Europe, and first of all, electronics costs more here, and secondly we have to pay something called taxes. -- Salpad |
Renan Ruivo
Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Captian Conrad Wont need upgrading, but BIG KUDOS TO CCP for trying to partnership with a GPU vender for those 9k souls, 1st company i know that has tryed to
Don't think the entirety of that number lives in places where they can order gpus with the discount. ____________
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Daneel Trevize But why is there a need for a grace period if we can recustomize whenever??
Re-customize only allows you to change certain things about your character. Not body type, bone structure, face and so forth.
Does recustomize let people rotate the head, change lighting and so on? I like my face but I royally screwed up with the lights.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Nate719
Gallente The Black Legionnares Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:56:00 -
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Is there plans to still allow sm2.0 and lower? I currently play on a POS laptop. Can't afford a upgrade yet and wouldn't like missing out on the wonderful life of Eve... can't really replace a GFX Card from a laptop so your vendor deal will cover probally 50% of the subjected 9,000 people.
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ACESsiggy
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.21 20:59:00 -
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BRAVO CCP!!!! Time for some users to move out of the stone age. No, seriously lol.
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Qordel
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.03.21 21:35:00 -
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Edited by: Qordel on 21/03/2011 21:37:22 I was certain this already occurred a couple of years ago. Hell, I remember the endless angry threads about it (mostly from people that felt a demanding modern game should play on not only hardware from just after the turn of the century, but on laptops that old.
Anyway, I'm glad to see EVE continue a path of evolution and to push new limits rather than be hamstrung by obligations to aging systems. Keep moving forward, without unnecessarily pushing a subset of players away due to limitations, when possible. There are only so many resources to go around for devotion to legacy support.
Best of luck.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.21 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nate719 Is there plans to still allow sm2.0 and lower? I currently play on a POS laptop. Can't afford a upgrade yet and wouldn't like missing out on the wonderful life of Eve... can't really replace a GFX Card from a laptop so your vendor deal will cover probally 50% of the subjected 9,000 people.
In the next point release then Shader Model 2 will continue to work, even if not officially supported, but you may find that parts of the Character Creator and/or Character Recustomisation may be inaccessible. In some point release thereafter then Shader Model 3 will become the minimum working requirement.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Nate719
Gallente The Black Legionnares Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.03.21 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Nate719 Is there plans to still allow sm2.0 and lower? I currently play on a POS laptop. Can't afford a upgrade yet and wouldn't like missing out on the wonderful life of Eve... can't really replace a GFX Card from a laptop so your vendor deal will cover probally 50% of the subjected 9,000 people.
In the next point release then Shader Model 2 will continue to work, even if not officially supported, but you may find that parts of the Character Creator and/or Character Recustomisation may be inaccessible. In some point release thereafter then Shader Model 3 will become the minimum working requirement.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Salpad
Caldari Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2011.03.21 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Salpad
Re-customize only allows you to change certain things about your character. Not body type, bone structure, face and so forth.
Does recustomize let people rotate the head, change lighting and so on? I like my face but I royally screwed up with the lights.
I'd guess that yes, you can change that with re-customization. I'm not sure, but it mkakes a lot of sense to me.
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Twohanded Fighter
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Posted - 2011.03.21 22:16:00 -
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I can't even bring myself to rat anymore. I can't afford a new system, so I guess we're done.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.03.21 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Sturmwolke on 21/03/2011 22:24:16
Originally by: Sturmwolke
Originally by: CCP Explorer The Shader Model 3 requirement will be for all of EVE Online. The Incarna expansion will need Shader Model 3 but one of the changes we are currently working on, and will be detailed later, will require Shader Model 3 everywhere.
What is the MINIMUM amount of GPU memory required for these Shader 3.0 cards?
Can someone from CCP clarify this very simple question?
If one was to rely implicitly on past requirements (see here), then you're looking at 64MB to run EVE. Does this still apply?
As for the character creator & Incarna in general, I would suggest writing down/modifying the above link to include the caveats. Please state the minimum requirements in order to access parts that may not be accessible. You have stated SM3.0, fine. What about memory?
It really boils down to the definition of "Minimum" and "Recommended". When someone sees recommended, it's a suggestion, but not a must. Minimum implies a must.
Edit: clarity
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Twohanded Fighter
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Posted - 2011.03.21 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke Edited by: Sturmwolke on 21/03/2011 22:46:10
Originally by: Sturmwolke
Originally by: CCP Explorer The Shader Model 3 requirement will be for all of EVE Online. The Incarna expansion will need Shader Model 3 but one of the changes we are currently working on, and will be detailed later, will require Shader Model 3 everywhere.
What is the MINIMUM amount of GPU memory required for these Shader 3.0 cards?
Can someone from CCP clarify this very simple question?
If one was to rely implicitly on past requirements (see here), then you're looking at 64MB to run EVE. Does this still apply?
As for the character creator & Incarna in general, I would suggest writing down/modifying the above link to include the caveats. Please state the minimum requirements in order to access parts that may not be accessible. You have stated SM3.0, fine. What about memory?
It really boils down to the definition of "Minimum" and "Recommended". When someone sees recommended, it's a suggestion, but not a must. Minimum implies a must.
Let's make it simple, so that there is no room for misintrepretation.
1) What is the minimum requirement to run EVE? 2) What is the minimum requirement to FULLY ACCESS all of EVE's features?
Edit: clarity
LoL. That is obviously an outdated minimum as of April 5th. They've upped the minimum requirements to basically what is the "recommended" computer.
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.03.21 23:23:00 -
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Tell CCP Zulu to thank the dev team for alienating a huge chunk of their users. Account is canceled guys.
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David Carel
Caldari Random Selection. Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.03.21 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: LarpingBard Tell CCP Zulu to thank the dev team for alienating a huge chunk of their users. Account is canceled guys.
3% for sure is a huge chunk.
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.03.22 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: LarpingBard on 22/03/2011 00:10:09
Originally by: David Carel
Originally by: LarpingBard Tell CCP Zulu to thank the dev team for alienating a huge chunk of their users. Account is canceled guys.
3% for sure is a huge chunk.
Well, I know you all must have great jobs in this recession, but I don't. I rubbed together a few pennies last year to get a comp since my other one pretty much is dying. It was my first comp upgrade in 8 years. And now it can't run EvE, so CCP can keep all you immature trolls.
I believe CCP Zulu should edit his post to let those with GMA laptops, netbooks, and nettops that they can't play eve anymore. I think a lot of people think that they're talking about "8 year old computers". My 10 year old p4 has a SM 3.0 card that really can't run eve. My laptop has a GMA that can. They broke EvE for me, and for many, many others, who will probably get a rude awakening when their 1 to 2 year old computers (NOT 8 yo) stop playing eve.
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.22 00:54:00 -
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Holy hell... I was able to get a modern low end graphics card for $25 a year ago that runs eve just fine, and and that is brand new from newegg... It is a Radeon HD4350, 512Mb. I am sure you can get better now for a similar price.
Like this Radeon HD 5450 at newegg...
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2011.03.22 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Many years ago some of my friends vowed they will never purchase any game, that would not support DOS anymore and would require them to install Windows 95.
These people are still playing games, so do I (not on Win95 of course
Sadly this move by companys has been quite sad. Compare computers to consoles, and look at just how much better a console can outgame a PC that's better in the overall specifications.
Here's a good question for the ccp devs, now that we are "Supporting" newer hardware, are we going to see proper updates for multi-threading (I know that it supports it now to some extent) and better yet, a 64 bit client :)...
I am sure a 64 bit client was made, did it improve gpu usage at all?... For me, the eve bottleneck seems to be a mix of RAM and GPU, the CPU itself never gets tasked.
Seti@Home and 8 clients = all run happily.. But I have to be careful because opening up a few excel sheets and web pages can then make me run out of ram ;P.... The low cpu usage is nice (4-7% per client on my pc), but a thin client would be SOOOOO Great!...
Even if that thin client was only allowed to log in while a character is docked, and the thin client wouldnt allow undocking. That would probably be ample for a lot of people who want to manage orders, chat, and deal with production jobs.
I dont think anyone should expect todays "Value" Netbooks to play anything other than solitare or perhaps older games. Doom2 can run on my kids NintendoDS, but I dont expect eve to be ported over :P. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! ! |
Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.03.22 01:33:00 -
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When did Eve users say they wanted flashy graphics at the expense of speed and compatability?
I see to remember that when you removed the Classic graphics engine people actually complained.
Was talking to a mate just yesterday who was saying he'd start playing again if you re-introduced "classic" graphics.
Flashy shinny is not on many priority lists among players.
Simply update the sky-boxes and you'll be done with graphics for another 5 years.
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2011.03.22 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: LarpingBard
Well, I know you all must have great jobs in this recession, but I don't. I rubbed together a few pennies last year to get a comp since my other one pretty much is dying. It was my first comp upgrade in 8 years. And now it can't run EvE, so CCP can keep all you immature trolls.
I believe CCP Zulu should edit his post to let those with GMA laptops, netbooks, and nettops that they can't play eve anymore. I think a lot of people think that they're talking about "8 year old computers". My 10 year old p4 has a SM 3.0 card that really can't run eve. My laptop has a GMA that can. They broke EvE for me, and for many, many others, who will probably get a rude awakening when their 1 to 2 year old computers (NOT 8 yo) stop playing eve.
I had to upgrade a card with sm2 support when ccp made that move, sadly the card that was in the machine at the time was faster than the sm2 one that replaced it.. It's all part of the course, CCP did say when the sm2 restrictions were put into place that sm3 was around the corner, so prepare.
Personally, They should have a tech tree on the requirements page stating when things like this may happen. Chances are that they know a good 3-4 years ahead of time when that target date may be needed.
What laptop do you have, just because it uses intels onboard gpu, it doesnt mean that the unit cant be expanded (tho most older laptops may have no upgrade path, and newer ones like mine has no upgrade path either!).
Sm3 hardware has been kicking about for the past 3-4 years so researching and buying a used laptop could be the way forward for you.
Sadly it's just the way things happen these days, but I am sure that ccp will keep more customers by keeping the shiney graphics than they would for supporting older hardware. It's not to say that it's nice, or the best way to treat your existing customer base, but all companys do it and if they dont adjust then people would walk to more shiney games. ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! ! |
Suicide'Alts'FTW
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.22 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: LarpingBard Tell CCP Zulu to thank the dev team for alienating a huge chunk of their users. Account is canceled guys.
Holy [expletive] man!
If you have a desktop with a free expansion slot that has a CPU that can play EvE now then you have NO EXCUSE. You can buy a video card that supports SM3 for less than $50 to fit in a PCIe, AGP 4x(or 8x), or PCI(that is right, there are PCI video cards that support SM3).
If you have a laptop with a video card made in the last 4 years then you have NO EXCUSE because every nVidia card since the 6XXX series(the last 7 years) has supported it and every ATI card since the 2XXX series(the last 4 years, the 1XXX series supported it except for "vertex texture fetching") has supported it.
The ONLY exception is if you have a laptop/notebook/netbook WITHOUT A PROPER VIDEO CARD that is running an Intel chipset more antiquated than the G965. The Intel GMA X3000, a 5 year old built-in graphics chip, supports SM3.
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Brema Gangrel
Caldari b.b.k Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.03.22 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: DeODokktor Edited by: DeODokktor on 22/03/2011 01:36:31 Sm3 hardware has been kicking about for the past 3-4 years so researching and buying a used laptop could be the way forward for you.
I *know* for a fact that the Nvidia 6600GT supported Shader Model 3 (even on the AGP board). That card was released 7 years ago.
For the others who are asking "how much memory do I need to run the game". On the gfx card, the more the merrier, but 256MB on the GFX card would be about the bare minimum now.
Just checking the prices on a UK website (scan.co.uk) ú30 is the *bare minimum* that you would have to pay... and that card comes with 512MB of RAM on it.
Would it play Crysis?
Not above minimum settings, and a resolution larger than 1280x1024, but its possible.
And that should be *more* than enough for Eve Online (I looked at the ATI 4350 card, ú30 PCI-e... crysis runs at 20ish fps at the bare minimum settings @ 1280x1024 resolution).
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Enthral
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Posted - 2011.03.22 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: DTson Gauur I hope this means that there will also be an external way coming (read: EveGate) to change the skill queue, your decision just killed about all netbooks which quite happily run the current client enough to chat and manage skills etc.
Name one newer than three years old. Acer, Asus, Dell, Sony netbooks... they've all supported Shader 4.1 for at least a couple of years.
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Enthral
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Posted - 2011.03.22 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Captian Conrad Wont need upgrading, but BIG KUDOS TO CCP for trying to partnership with a GPU vender for those 9k souls, 1st company i know that has tryed to
Please wrap your head around the fact that it is far from trivial to upgrade a 5 or 6 year old computer with a modern graphics card.
Why is that? It is far from difficult to pick up an EVGA GeForce 6200 for under $40 which supports Shader 3.0 with an AGP interface if your machine is truly that old.
You seem to think that Shader 3.0 is somehow "modern"... it isn't. It's ancient. Shader 4.0 cards have been available since 2006, while Shader 5.0 cards have been available since 2009. Shader 3.0 has been around since 2004.
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Spyke BlackIce
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.22 08:24:00 -
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Approximately 9000 players? I'd wager that that number is significantly higher. What CCP (and apparently a LOT of the posters here) fail to consider is that a lot of companies use older tech in newer computers (especially laptops) to build cost-effective systems. My laptop is a prime example. I'm using a Dell Inspiron with a 17" screen hooked up to my 55" HDTV to play EVE. I can run most graphics settings on high if I wish AND can run two clients. My laptop is just over four years old but the Intel graphics chipset only supports Shader Model 2.0. My system is nowhere near 8+ years old. On top of that, seeing as how it IS an integrated chipset, I can't just upgrade my graphics card. I need a new system now. And I'm quite sure that there are a LOT of other players in the same situation. That 9000 players is in all likelihood just those who are really running old systems. Add in the newer systems like mine (AND those who use older systems to run a second or more accounts) and you have a MUCH higher amount of players affected by this.
I've been meaning to build a new system for well over a year now since my old system got fried and forced me to make use of this laptop for my gaming (and everything else for that matter). But the recession has not been kind to my line of work (drywaller/construction worker) and I am going to have a very difficult time getting the funds to build a new system. The one thing that I will thank CCP for - they have finally divulged the reason why so many of us are having issues with the CC AND have given us a more time to try to get our systems up to the new minimum requirements by extending the grace period a few more months. I for one am going to try to come up with the funds to put a new system together (started shopping for deals already - eBay, Amazon, & Craig's List, here I come) since I've been needing one for quite some time, but this isn't going to be easy nor cheap for me and many others.
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Elis Trader
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Posted - 2011.03.22 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Nate719 Is there plans to still allow sm2.0 and lower? I currently play on a POS laptop. Can't afford a upgrade yet and wouldn't like missing out on the wonderful life of Eve... can't really replace a GFX Card from a laptop so your vendor deal will cover probally 50% of the subjected 9,000 people.
In the next point release then Shader Model 2 will continue to work, even if not officially supported, but you may find that parts of the Character Creator and/or Character Recustomisation may be inaccessible. In some point release thereafter then Shader Model 3 will become the minimum working requirement.
"I haven't read like 95% of replies in this thread, so lets moan on..."
Naah, seriously, that is a great news. I wish there was a high end client that would support SM 4.0/4.1 (or maybe even 5 on ultra details). Then You dear CCP could do something about ships graphics, engines, explosions (that is a must they look like 1999 graphics), torpedoes that aint AOE anymore but have graphic effect like that. After all if you go to SOV fights you can turn down your settings right. I am pretty sure there is a good chunk of players who would enjoy all that.
@rest of replies: LEARN TO READ. Read CCP posts and stop complaining, all what will change is that you won't be able to access PARTS of recustomization features! You can still use your 20 years old PC or 10 year old notebook to do market orders, production or whatever.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.22 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Is the Shader 3.0 requirement going to be for EVE Online (the spaceships) or is going to be for Carbon/Incarna/Beta for WoD?
The Shader Model 3 requirement will be for all of EVE Online. The Incarna expansion will need Shader Model 3 but one of the changes we are currently working on, and will be detailed later, will require Shader Model 3 everywhere.
Okay
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Nate719 Is there plans to still allow sm2.0 and lower? I currently play on a POS laptop. Can't afford a upgrade yet and wouldn't like missing out on the wonderful life of Eve... can't really replace a GFX Card from a laptop so your vendor deal will cover probally 50% of the subjected 9,000 people.
In the next point release then Shader Model 2 will continue to work, even if not officially supported, but you may find that parts of the Character Creator and/or Character Recustomisation may be inaccessible. In some point release thereafter then Shader Model 3 will become the minimum working requirement.
First you state an upcoming feature that is everywhere (by this, I want to assume you actually mean spaceships and space) will require Shader Model 3 but..
Then you say the only features that will be have a Shader Model 3 requirement is crap dealing with new character creator and that at some *Uncertain* point in the future Shader Model 3 will be standard for the whole game.
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DTson Gauur
Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.22 09:11:00 -
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Edited by: DTson Gauur on 22/03/2011 09:28:42
Originally by: Enthral Name one newer than three years old. Acer, Asus, Dell, Sony netbooks... they've all supported Shader 4.1 for at least a couple of years.
HP Mini 5101 , Got one, gfx supported is SM2.0 only (1.5 years old)
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.22 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Explorer on 22/03/2011 09:35:18
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Is the Shader 3.0 requirement going to be for EVE Online (the spaceships) or is going to be for Carbon/Incarna/Beta for WoD?
The Shader Model 3 requirement will be for all of EVE Online. The Incarna expansion will need Shader Model 3 but one of the changes we are currently working on, and will be detailed later, will require Shader Model 3 everywhere.
Okay
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Nate719 Is there plans to still allow sm2.0 and lower? I currently play on a POS laptop. Can't afford a upgrade yet and wouldn't like missing out on the wonderful life of Eve... can't really replace a GFX Card from a laptop so your vendor deal will cover probally 50% of the subjected 9,000 people.
In the next point release then Shader Model 2 will continue to work, even if not officially supported, but you may find that parts of the Character Creator and/or Character Recustomisation may be inaccessible. In some point release thereafter then Shader Model 3 will become the minimum working requirement.
First you state an upcoming feature that is everywhere (by this, I want to assume you actually mean spaceships and space) will require Shader Model 3 but..
Then you say the only features that will be have a Shader Model 3 requirement is crap dealing with new character creator and that at some *Uncertain* point in the future Shader Model 3 will be standard for the whole game.
Which is it?
Both; there is no inconsistency in what I said.
In Incursion 1.4 (on 5 Apr) then some of the features of the Character Creator and in particular some the features of new Character Recustomisation will be inaccessible if using a Shader Model 2 card. At some point in the very near future, exact date still to finalised, then we will deploy a technology change / framework update, not a feature, that will require Shader Model 3 everywhere.
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Cindy Marco
Minmatar The Warp Rats Apotheosis of Virtue
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SM3 is not a big deal. It really is 8 year old technology. If you bought something in the last couple years with outdated technology, I can empathize. However even intel integrated graphic cards have been beyond that for several years. That is pretty much as low end as you can get.
Eve is really easy to run. They aren't pushing the the envelope. It even runs on the free laptops my University gives out. Even those are dual cores with SSE3, and shader model 4.0. You can't crank up the graphics like I can on my desktop, but you can still play.
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Adrie Atticus
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Posted - 2011.03.22 11:20:00 -
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This is interesting, CCP announces that they will up the minimum requirements for the game and people start to moan. If you have a laptop you got from work, it means you have a job and shelling out $400 + display, mouse & keyboard will not bankrupt you. If it does, move to a smaller apartment or kick the pot habit for a month.
Only chipsets and machines not being able to run the game will be in the sub-$300 category (besides macs and selected netbnooks) and I don't think you actually bought a cheap computer like that to be used as a gaming rig. Only few people will get left otu because of this and they include only those who can't manage their books and spend more than they can afford.
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T Head
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Posted - 2011.03.22 11:41:00 -
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You kow this is funny (not) I was kicked out of eve because of a major grafics update 2 years ago almost to the day and I have just been able to get back on about three months ago and now because of the shader 3 upgrade I am going to be off again. I run labtops and or notbooks because I am mobile and you can't just replace your video card when you need to. That would be nice but you can't do that. I Love playing EVE and I have three accounts with them but this is geting nuts and very very costly. I am begining to wonder what is the point. I know haveing better visual affects are great and I love'm just as much as the next guy (or gal) but dam. I don't have 2g to put ino labtop every year just to have the better grafics every time they upgrade them. Anyway have funny and injoy see you all later (when ever that is going to be)
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.22 11:47:00 -
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For those of you who are about to become roadkill on the evolution highway, can I please have your stuff before you are locked out of it?
Btw, the computer I built back in 2004 has Shader Model 3.
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T Head
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Posted - 2011.03.22 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: T Head on 22/03/2011 12:04:59 Well Mashie Saldana If I could build My own mobile comp it would have sw4 as well but building a mobile one is a little difficult. I have a desktop (or did untill my ex took it ) that all of this upgrading wouldn't be a problem and would handle all of it fine. Everybody has an answer for everything but unless it fits into the sinereo it does't mean a whole bunch. |
LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.03.22 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: LarpingBard on 22/03/2011 12:15:23 Edited by: LarpingBard on 22/03/2011 12:13:18
Originally by: Suicide'Alts'FTW
Originally by: LarpingBard Tell CCP Zulu to thank the dev team for alienating a huge chunk of their users. Account is canceled guys.
Holy [expletive] man!
If you have a desktop with a free expansion slot that has a CPU that can play EvE now then you have NO EXCUSE. You can buy a video card that supports SM3 for less than $50 to fit in a PCIe, AGP 4x(or 8x), or PCI(that is right, there are PCI video cards that support SM3).
If you have a laptop with a video card made in the last 4 years then you have NO EXCUSE because every nVidia card since the 6XXX series(the last 7 years) has supported it and every ATI card since the 2XXX series(the last 4 years, the 1XXX series supported it except for "vertex texture fetching") has supported it.
The ONLY exception is if you have a laptop/notebook/netbook WITHOUT A PROPER VIDEO CARD that is running an Intel chipset more antiquated than the G965. The Intel GMA X3000, a 5 year old built-in graphics chip, supports SM3.
SHUT.
UP.
YOU.
MISERABLE.
WHINERS!
We are talking about laptops, you illiterate troll. [since we're being mean and all And since EvE is a boxed game as well as a downloadable, name one game that you have a disc for that the publisher can go and break on you?
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.22 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: T Head Edited by: T Head on 22/03/2011 12:04:59 Well Mashie Saldana If I could build My own mobile comp it would have sw4 as well but building a mobile one is a little difficult. I have a desktop (or did untill my ex took it ) that all of this upgrading wouldn't be a problem and would handle all of it fine. Everybody has an answer for everything but unless it fits into the sinereo it does't mean a whole bunch.
My three year old laptop support SM4.0.
I am not that impressed by the short notice for hardware requirement changes by CCP though.
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Zebulon Starshatter
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Posted - 2011.03.22 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dierdra Vaal
let me guess: nvidia? :P
Considering SM3 cards are dirt cheap, it shouldnt be a burden for people.
Try upgrading a laptop video card, oh wait you can't.
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.03.22 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cindy Marco Edited by: Cindy Marco on 22/03/2011 10:30:51 Ending SM2 support is not a big deal. It really is 8 year old technology. If you bought something in the last couple years with outdated technology, I can empathize. However even intel integrated graphic cards have been beyond that for several years. That is pretty much as low end as you can get.
Nope. The laptop I bought in 2010 with an intel gma does not support sm 3.0.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.22 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: T Head Well Mashie Saldana If I could build My own mobile comp it would have sw4 as well but building a mobile one is a little difficult. I have a desktop (or did untill my ex took it ) that all of this upgrading wouldn't be a problem and would handle all of it fine. Everybody has an answer for everything but unless it fits into the sinereo it does't mean a whole bunch.
My three year old laptop support SM4.0.
I am not that impressed by the short notice for hardware requirement changes by CCP though.
The first dev blog we wrote about Shader Model 3 was in Jan 2009, more than 2 years ago. Based on the feedback then we postponed at the time making Shader Model 3 the minimum.
The next dev blog was in Oct 2010. In that blog we stated that "graphics cards with ShaderModel 3.0 support will become the minimum required graphics cards to run EVE Online at a yet-to-be-announced date in Q2 2011". We have now announced that date to be 5 Apr 2011.
The general reason for why we upgrade EVE were detailed in this dev blog in Sep 2009. To summarise the main points presented there: "The history of EVE is the history of continuous enhancements, updates, upgrades, and new and improved technology; both client and server software updates as well as hardware upgrades (...) Why do we constantly update EVE? "Why can't you just keep it the way it is?" We update EVE because EVE needs to be fresh, vibrant and cutting-edge. EVE should be immortal, just as you, the pod pilot (...) Introducing new technology has at times required that we update the minimum system requirements needed to run the EVE client. Adding new technology sometimes entails that old technology must be left behind."
Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games |
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Dariously Primrose Penken
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Posted - 2011.03.22 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Minsc
Where have you been the past few months. CCP has been releasing dozens of little fixes that many people have been clamoring for since the game launched and continue to do so. If you're little troll was just supposed to be a thinly veiled *fix lag* rant then seriously, get new argument. Lag will never fully be solved. Even when they manage to redesign the server code to support dynamic load balancing it will likely STILL pop up from time to time. If you can't accept that then find another game genre cause lag is inevitable in MMO's.
Also your whole second paragraph just shows how clueless you are. FYI the graphics ENGINE is the second most important component of the game behind the server code and has a huge impact on game performance.
Oh I have been here for the last 5 years now, and I can tell you there is more wrong than just the graphics package. How about that emergency reboot after down time this morning to fix an issue with the database.... AGAIN.
How about those logs that still show incorrect data that the GM's swear are all correct?
How about the chat lag where you can sometimes out type and send a line before its even seen? That issue has been around for over a year and a half alone, it was fixed for a short while, and then came back and still has yet to be addressed again.
Point is, I love eve as much as the next person, but there has to be a point where you have to examine the product you have created, and fix it before you can make it pretty. We pay for eve in some form or fashion, and yes eve has gotten better as time has gone along, <shutters remembering Red Moon Rising> but there are still core issues that need to be fixed and addressed, and to me those far our way the need for eve to be "pretty". If you paint and polish a blemish until its bright and pretty, it still doesn't change the fact that its still a blemish. All you did was cover it up, or make an attempt to make it look pretty.
How about you go to the doctor and say your guts hurt and he gives you some revitalizing cream for your face to make it look better. Does that make your guts hurt any less? No I didn't think so either, and you'd not be satisfied with the outcome of that visit and would expect the doctor on a swiftly rescheduled visit, to correct the gut ache.
As far as lag goes, well stay out of jita. lol Lag is as you say a constant issue and battle, and one that will never be solved unless you have a 100 terabyte internet connection speed, and maybe not even then. No I recognize the Lag Beast as its own entity and know there is no cure for it now, and no cure for it ever in the future. All that can be done on that note is to lessen its effects as best you can.
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.22 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Maul555 on 22/03/2011 13:53:48
Originally by: T Head Edited by: T Head on 22/03/2011 11:58:00 You kow this is funny (not) I was kicked out of eve because of a major grafics update 2 years ago almost to the day and I have just been able to get back on about three months ago and now because of the shader 3 upgrade I am going to be off again. I run labtops and or notbooks because I am mobile and you can't just replace your video card when you need to. That would be nice but you can't do that. I Love playing EVE and I have three accounts with them but this is geting nuts and very very costly. I am begining to wonder what is the point. I know haveing better visual affects are great and I love'm just as much as the next guy (or gal) but dam. I don't have 2g to put ino labtop every year just to have the better grafics every time they upgrade them. Anyway have funny and injoy see you all later (when ever that is going to be) Also some of you think that if you bought a comp just a few years or just recently that it should have shader3 not so true. Mine is less then a year old and it has an intel 3150 grafics and doesn't support sm3. Also mine isn't from my company I have to buy them so yes I have to be carful on how much I spend. I'm not rich and wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth (if you know what I mean.) So this isn't a whinning blog it's just the truth and money doesn't grow on trees. Some of us have to work our ass off just to get what we have (and are thankfull for it) but it makes it very difficult at times
I don't have $700 to put into a laptop every 3-4 years just to play modern games on a laptop...
I fixed that for you,
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seriously tho... what do laptop buyers think they are getting when they buy a laptop? In the future, maybe these people will pay attention to what they are buying. Laptops are not great gaming platforms, and they where never meant to be. However there are plenty of laptops that are out with good gaming cards built in for quite a bit less than $1000, And they didn't just pop up this year...
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Jenna Alduin
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Posted - 2011.03.22 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: T Head
Also some of you think that if you bought a comp just a few years or just recently that it should have shader3 not so true. Mine is less then a year old and it has an intel 3150 grafics and doesn't support sm3.
But Intel 3150 does support SM3...?
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.22 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jenna Alduin
Originally by: T Head
Also some of you think that if you bought a comp just a few years or just recently that it should have shader3 not so true. Mine is less then a year old and it has an intel 3150 grafics and doesn't support sm3.
But Intel 3150 does support SM3...?
According to this, yes it does.
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Rahwin
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Posted - 2011.03.22 15:14:00 -
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I for one welcome our new shader3 overlords!
My thoughts about the complaints and reasoning in this thread is that most of the systems that seem to have troubles are laptops. In my mind laptops have never been gaming rigs, unless you have a lot of money to blow on a shiney new laptop that has stats comparable to a close-to-current gen desktop computer.
Buying a desktop comp which runs EVE decently isn't expensive even in Europe (where I live), look at the second hand market and you can get really good deals.
While having the mobility and tidy appearance of a laptop is great it always comes with a price in performance and system life due to limited upgrading options. If you're buying a laptop gaming rig on a tight budget or on any budget while expecting it to last many years you're doing it wrong.
Then again, those who have lifestyles that require them to use laptops I can understand it being frustrating. But hopefully that lifestyle is worth that little sacrifice.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.22 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: T Head Well Mashie Saldana If I could build My own mobile comp it would have sw4 as well but building a mobile one is a little difficult. I have a desktop (or did untill my ex took it ) that all of this upgrading wouldn't be a problem and would handle all of it fine. Everybody has an answer for everything but unless it fits into the sinereo it does't mean a whole bunch.
My three year old laptop support SM4.0.
I am not that impressed by the short notice for hardware requirement changes by CCP though.
The first dev blog we wrote about Shader Model 3 was in Jan 2009, more than 2 years ago. Based on the feedback then we postponed at the time making Shader Model 3 the minimum.
The next dev blog was in Oct 2010. In that blog we stated that "graphics cards with ShaderModel 3.0 support will become the minimum required graphics cards to run EVE Online at a yet-to-be-announced date in Q2 2011". We have now announced that date to be 5 Apr 2011.
The general reason for why we upgrade EVE were detailed in this dev blog in Sep 2009. To summarise the main points presented there: "The history of EVE is the history of continuous enhancements, updates, upgrades, and new and improved technology; both client and server software updates as well as hardware upgrades (...) Why do we constantly update EVE? "Why can't you just keep it the way it is?" We update EVE because EVE needs to be fresh, vibrant and cutting-edge. EVE should be immortal, just as you, the pod pilot (...) Introducing new technology has at times required that we update the minimum system requirements needed to run the EVE client. Adding new technology sometimes entails that old technology must be left behind."
Don't get me wrong, I love that you finally start to push the technology as my computers are begging for a program that can benefit from the latest hardware. However as I wrote above, you really should be more clear with the hardware requirement roadmap. I read every blog as they are posted and had totally missed/forgotten about the announcement of the Q2 2011 removal of SM 2.0 support.
Maybe you should add it to the hardware requirements page as soon as you have a rough estimate of when a certain technology no longer will be supported, regardless if you actaully will render the hardware obsole that exact date or not. In this case you could have added a single line saying "After Q1 2011 SM2.0 will no longer be officially supported."
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.03.22 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Maul555
Originally by: Jenna Alduin
But Intel 3150 does support SM3...?
According to this, yes it does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_3100
Intel GMA 3150 supports Vertex shader 3.0 (software) and Pixel shader 2.0 (hardware). It's sort of a bastard GPU.
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CCP Explorer
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Posted - 2011.03.22 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sturmwolke
Originally by: Maul555
Originally by: Jenna Alduin
But Intel 3150 does support SM3...?
According to this, yes it does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#GMA_3100
Intel GMA 3150 supports Vertex shader 3.0 (software) and Pixel shader 2.0 (hardware). It's sort of a bastard GPU.
And EVE will require both vertex shader 3.0 and pixel shader 3.0 so this card will no longer be supported.
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Minsc
Gallente A.W.M
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Posted - 2011.03.22 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dariously Primrose Penken
Oh I have been here for the last 5 years now, and I can tell you there is more wrong than just the graphics package. How about that emergency reboot after down time this morning to fix an issue with the database.... AGAIN.
How about those logs that still show incorrect data that the GM's swear are all correct?
How about the chat lag where you can sometimes out type and send a line before its even seen? That issue has been around for over a year and a half alone, it was fixed for a short while, and then came back and still has yet to be addressed again.
Point is, I love eve as much as the next person, but there has to be a point where you have to examine the product you have created, and fix it before you can make it pretty. We pay for eve in some form or fashion, and yes eve has gotten better as time has gone along, <shutters remembering Red Moon Rising> but there are still core issues that need to be fixed and addressed, and to me those far our way the need for eve to be "pretty". If you paint and polish a blemish until its bright and pretty, it still doesn't change the fact that its still a blemish. All you did was cover it up, or make an attempt to make it look pretty.
How about you go to the doctor and say your guts hurt and he gives you some revitalizing cream for your face to make it look better. Does that make your guts hurt any less? No I didn't think so either, and you'd not be satisfied with the outcome of that visit and would expect the doctor on a swiftly rescheduled visit, to correct the gut ache.
and few of the fixes if any that they have done have been related to graphics. Most are UI or gameplay related or just feature fixes or requests that have been asked for forever. Just because they haven't fixed your pet peeve doesn't mean they won't eventually. I could just come down to where it lies in their list of priority fixes or the seriousness of the issue.
As for the database issues, EVE has easily one of the most complex databases in any game and is also right up there with many of the top databases in the world when it comes to throughput. You have to accept that from time to time there will be hiccups and if an emergency reboot is all that results than big whoop. It could be a lot worse. Also, if you're complaining about the server logs not showing something that happened client side, where have you been since launch this is nothing new. Also the chat lag issue you are referring to is obviously not that widespread, personally I've never had it and haven't seen a lot of people complaining about it in the channels I frequent, so it's understandable if it's not terribly high on their list of priorities to fix. Also they may know of the issue but just haven't discovered a fix for it yet. Not all bugs are quick and easy fixes.
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Pentinor
The Dark Horses. Sanctus Ianitores Mundi
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Edited by: Pentinor on 22/03/2011 18:54:55 Step 1. Buy budget laptop not designed for gaming Step 2. Complain when laptop can no longer be used for internet spaceships Step 3. ????? Step 4. Profit!
Edit: Was wondering when sm3 was going to be required. Glad to have a date set. Signature locked. Please file a petition to discuss the matter - CCP Fallout |
Morp p'LLoran
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Originally by: Dariously Primrose Penken It just really goes to show how far out of touch CCP is with its player base. blah blah blah
WTF are you talking about - EVE is more awesome than ever, fleet fights are minimum lag compared to a few months ago. It's time for more shiny, CCP has more than come to the party on all the other fronts. I you are seriously whining about the current version of EVE, it might be time to see a shrink about your anal-retentive tendencies *** Standard COAD Disclaimer ***
All post I make represent myself, me and I only - and does not reflect my corp or alliance viewpoints
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Quote: Nope. The laptop I bought in 2010 with an intel gma does not support sm 3.0.
The Netbook you bought was never build for gaming, so don't complain about that. The days of shader model 3 were obviously slowly coming to an end when CCP started to upgrade existing graphics again.
One day EVE will move on and make Shader Model 4, 5 or whatever comes next a requirement and that is actually a good thing.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Teranul
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Originally by: Pentinor Edited by: Pentinor on 22/03/2011 18:54:55 Step 1. Buy budget laptop not designed for gaming Step 2. Complain when laptop can no longer be used for internet spaceships Step 3. ????? Step 4. Profit!
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Quote: Nope. The laptop I bought in 2010 with an intel gma does not support sm 3.0.
The Netbook you bought was never build for gaming, so don't complain about that.
Seriously, this is SO LULZY.
Some of you goons really need to get a grip. Don't complain when you're using laptops (which you know you can't upgrade) that aren't even built for 3d gaming to begin with (so, frankly, you were LUCKY you could log in at all)!
And stop trying to play games on WORK MACHINES!
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theocratis
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Posted - 2011.03.22 22:46:00 -
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an HD 4650 costs around 50 to 60 bucks. Hardly breaking the bank.
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.03.23 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Bekers Eight years old graphic cards, huh?
Ok, CCP, nice move and all, but AT VERY LEAST try and be honest with this.
You're shoving down our throat this change. You do it to cut costs, to improve the product, to get rid of legacy, whatever. But at least don't pretend we're dumb or idiot.
The very machine I'm writing this stuff on is a run-of-the-mill office rig (HP DC7800P) with a low-spec graphic card integrated in the Intel Q35 chipset servicing the Core2Duo E8400 CPU.
- It supports SM2.0 - It doesn't support SM3.0 (checked with the app linked in the devblog) - It is still perfectly adequate for running low intensity tasks ingame like trading, POS caring, PI, hi-sec logistics and social stuff (chat, . - Probably won't be able to do that once you "discontinue" SM2.0. - It cannot be upgraded, as it's a work asset I'm allowed to use only after my daytime job is over and I relax a bit before going home. - Most important, it's a chipset released in June 2007 (reference). That's less than FOUR years ago. Not eight.
Thank you for reducing my play options.
So you're complaining that you don't get to use your work pc for fun and games?
So you're complaining that a PC that was explicitely NOT meant for games won't work with a game?
Just wondering.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.03.23 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: LarpingBard
Originally by: David Carel
Originally by: LarpingBard Tell CCP Zulu to thank the dev team for alienating a huge chunk of their users. Account is canceled guys.
3% for sure is a huge chunk.
Well, I know you all must have great jobs in this recession, but I don't. I rubbed together a few pennies last year to get a comp since my other one pretty much is dying. It was my first comp upgrade in 8 years. And now it can't run EvE, so CCP can keep all you immature trolls.
I believe CCP Zulu should edit his post to let those with GMA laptops, netbooks, and nettops that they can't play eve anymore. I think a lot of people think that they're talking about "8 year old computers". My 10 year old p4 has a SM 3.0 card that really can't run eve. My laptop has a GMA that can. They broke EvE for me, and for many, many others, who will probably get a rude awakening when their 1 to 2 year old computers (NOT 8 yo) stop playing eve.
Just have to throw it out there, but why do people keep asking CCP to support GPU's that aren't at all meant for gaming?
That Intel and co has been putting out severely outdated integrated video chipsets which aren't meant for gaming at all... Well, that's not CCP's fault, and if the money situation is so tight i'd really look into quitting EVE and doing whatever you can to fix it somehow.
You can harp on all you want but the vast majority of the people playing EVE are pretty happy that the game doesn't look like it did in 2003 anymore now in 2011. Oh yes, there was a time when people complained high and low about their DirectX 7 cards not being supported anymore, and i sure am glad that CCP listened to them and never ever worked on making EVE look better to keep the game alive and growing.
Oh, wait.
Entitlement issues, seriously. You're even getting refunds. It's a game, people. A GAME.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Enthral
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Posted - 2011.03.23 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: DTson Gauur Edited by: DTson Gauur on 22/03/2011 09:28:42
Originally by: Enthral Name one newer than three years old. Acer, Asus, Dell, Sony netbooks... they've all supported Shader 4.1 for at least a couple of years.
HP Mini 5101 , Got one, gfx supported is SM2.0 only (1.5 years old)
I stand corrected, though why HP would put such an old GMA into that laptop is beyond me. GMA 950 was over four years old when they made that laptop. I feel for you!
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DTson Gauur
Caldari Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E
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Originally by: Enthral I stand corrected, though why HP would put such an old GMA into that laptop is beyond me. GMA 950 was over four years old when they made that laptop. I feel for you!
It's not HP's fault, it's Intel stuffing the old gfx core into their Atom chip. Even the newer 4xx and 5xx series run with GMA3150 which as previously above is only partially capable of SM3 and hence will not either work in future. That means that about 99% of netbooks currently on market are in near future incapable of running Eve even if they otherwise meet the minimum requirements.
For others previous posters who say that "buy a newer laptop" , I don't want to buy a fething 'drag-around' , what I need when I go mobile is something small enough and light enough to carry around so I can login, change skill queue and chat with corpies / friends, maybe do a trip thru highsec in a shuttle or something if there's no war.
Now what CCP is doing is killing this, they're claiming this in the name of "legacy support" but what it really is, is that they're just too damn lazy to make the necessary optimisations to codepaths to support sm2 with sm3 path. I guess that in less than 2 years or so there'll be a blog: "Discontinuing support for SM3.0, SM4.0 minimum requirement."
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.23 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Maul555 on 23/03/2011 11:36:27
Originally by: DTson Gauur
Originally by: Enthral I stand corrected, though why HP would put such an old GMA into that laptop is beyond me. GMA 950 was over four years old when they made that laptop. I feel for you!
It's not HP's fault, it's Intel stuffing the old gfx core into their Atom chip. Even the newer 4xx and 5xx series run with GMA3150 which as previously above is only partially capable of SM3 and hence will not either work in future. That means that about 99% of netbooks currently on market are in near future incapable of running Eve even if they otherwise meet the minimum requirements.
For others previous posters who say that "buy a newer laptop" , I don't want to buy a fething 'drag-around' , what I need when I go mobile is something small enough and light enough to carry around so I can login, change skill queue and chat with corpies / friends, maybe do a trip thru highsec in a shuttle or something if there's no war.
Now what CCP is doing is killing this, they're claiming this in the name of "legacy support" but what it really is, is that they're just too damn lazy to make the necessary optimisations to codepaths to support sm2 with sm3 path. I guess that in less than 2 years or so there'll be a blog: "Discontinuing support for SM3.0, SM4.0 minimum requirement."
You openly admit that intel's crappy chips are the cause of most of the fuss, and then go on to call out ccp for creating this problem thru laziness. Why wont you people think of the increased programming time that can now be devoted to bug fixes, or other features?
Yes, I did it, I said "you people"...
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.03.23 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: LarpingBard on 23/03/2011 13:19:02 Yes, I'm cancelling my account, and yes, I want to save up and get a new computer, but yes, I'm married, and yes, convincing the wife that we should spend our shared income on a computer instead of dental work for the kids is a longshot. It's not your fault that my new laptop sucks. I get that. But the indifference of so many, and the venom directed towards us who have chipped in real money in lieu of upgrading our systems, instead of buying plex, is offensive and hurtful. Oh and STFU is not a helpful response to my plead for help. :)
And to be honest, even on a shader 4.0+ card, there will be times where in a 1000+ fleet battle we will still want to disable the shader options. It's not just a legacy issue, it's a "mega fleet blob" issue as well.
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Professor Love
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Posted - 2011.03.23 17:09:00 -
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Well then, seeing as how you're leaving, please transfer me all of your assets and isk; I'd really hate to see it all go to waste. That goes for anyone else who's leaving, too. If enough of you give me your stuff, I'll be so happy that I'll just buy one of you a new laptop - how's that?
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Qolde
Minmatar the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.03.23 19:38:00 -
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The Light Client
Move the resShaders.stuff file out of your eve folder and use 3d analyze to get eve to start. Use default inverval you can run that **** on a ****ing commodore 64. just be sure to move the file back before a client update. cant pvp on it anymore, because tactical overlay doesnt work anymore, and you cant see bubbles, or yourself for that matter. Turn all brackets on. for the text based stuff and empire travel it works fine. No Pi, but mining works. You can't see asteroids and stuff so dont get too close or you will surely be bumping off of invisible rocks. Why this isnt a setting in the escape menu? I dont know.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.03.24 04:09:00 -
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Originally by: Qolde The Light Client
Move the resShaders.stuff file out of your eve folder and use 3d analyze to get eve to start. Use default inverval you can run that **** on a ****ing commodore 64. just be sure to move the file back before a client update. cant pvp on it anymore, because tactical overlay doesnt work anymore, and you cant see bubbles, or yourself for that matter. Turn all brackets on. for the text based stuff and empire travel it works fine. No Pi, but mining works. You can't see asteroids and stuff so dont get too close or you will surely be bumping off of invisible rocks. Why this isnt a setting in the escape menu? I dont know.
There are light clients, CCP uses them to test out very specific situations with a lot of clients connected.
They are made to be automated, ie, to be used by bots. Which is something such a light client would be perfectly suited for, making macros even easier... Etc.
So, probably not going to happen as a public release ;p
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Imarh al'Amarrah
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.24 07:57:00 -
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Well.. My 4-years old work notebook seems to be missing SM3 (8-years old Turion 64x2 mobile technology? :) ). Of course, I understand, Excel based game so urgently needs cool graphic interface . But netherless I do not have possibility to change anything in my system. So since April -3 active accounts. Thanks for nice game!
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.03.25 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: jason hill on 25/03/2011 02:33:35 Edited by: jason hill on 25/03/2011 02:30:34 there could be a very simple solution this hardware issue imo. if there is anyone willing to donate hardware to those that cant afford to upgrade for various reasons why dont said people get together and setup some sort of "s*** shop" where players get together discuss what they need see if other players are "throwing out" because they are rebulding/ renewing thier rigs ? .no reason why this cannot be done imo ... i took a three year old rig down to my local refuse dump last week before coming to the fanfest simply because i replaced it at xmas.this is not a "bragging thing its because i can .if i could have found a peep to take it off my hands (minus the HDD) i would have willingly donated to them .
maybes it might be an idea to set up a seperate eve channel for peeps struggling to keep up with the fast paces in technology plus the cost if it is an issue and set up some sort of "s*** shop" . i also threw out 2x24" crt`s yes i know they are old hat ...but they were still in good working order ... but i think that most of oop readers get my point ...i hope
just a thought
anyways ...back to the fanfest
ninja edit ... why is S.W.O.P on the bloody ban list of words not to type
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Suicide'Alts'FTW
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.26 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: LarpingBard Edited by: LarpingBard on 22/03/2011 12:15:23 Edited by: LarpingBard on 22/03/2011 12:13:18
Originally by: Suicide'Alts'FTW ...
We are talking about laptops, you illiterate troll. [since we're being mean and all And since EvE is a boxed game as well as a downloadable, name one game that you have a disc for that the publisher can go and break on you?
Classic troll spotted. But, to defend my previous post, I will answer anyway.
Limiting myself just to a game that I personally own a physical disc copy of: Empire Total War. Its save games corrupt on a fairly regular basis and it often crashes post battle(especially for battles between turns) for the last couple of patches.* The later problem was introduced by patches and The Creative Assembly weren't even trying to add or upgrade any content. They were just "fixes" for the bugs caused by the "fixes" of the bugs introduced by patches to "fix" the game breaking errors and bugs it shipped with and many of which were never addressed.
Ultimately they gave up trying to fix it and just created Napoleon: Total War and now Total War: Shogun 2. Both of which I refuse to play or buy until they either fix Empire: Total War or stop repackaging the same game every 12 months. They need to add some real content, rather than reskin everything, and in addition fix the growing list of problems that plague the series.
*And those problems don't even address the horribly anemic AI, nor the extent to which the computer cheats in order to keep up, or the just plain bad game design decisions and omissions.
I sound like I am whining but there is a difference between how CCP has treated the player base in this matter and how The Creative Assembly has treated their player base. CCP warned us about it starting about two years ago and have frankly bent over backwards to try to accommodate those who would be negatively affected by this decision. The Creative Assembly on the other hand is running a **** poor operation and it shows. |
Sophie Tate
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Posted - 2011.03.26 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: jason hill Edited by: jason hill on 25/03/2011 02:33:35 Edited by: jason hill on 25/03/2011 02:30:34 there could be a very simple solution this hardware issue imo. if there is anyone willing to donate hardware to those that cant afford to upgrade for various reasons why dont said people get together and setup some sort of "s*** shop" where players get together discuss what they need see if other players are "throwing out" because they are rebulding/ renewing thier rigs ? .no reason why this cannot be done imo ... i took a three year old rig down to my local refuse dump last week before coming to the fanfest simply because i replaced it at xmas.this is not a "bragging thing its because i can .if i could have found a peep to take it off my hands (minus the HDD) i would have willingly donated to them .
maybes it might be an idea to set up a seperate eve channel for peeps struggling to keep up with the fast paces in technology plus the cost if it is an issue and set up some sort of "s*** shop" . i also threw out 2x24" crt`s yes i know they are old hat ...but they were still in good working order ... but i think that most of oop readers get my point ...i hope
just a thought
anyways ...back to the fanfest
ninja edit ... why is S.W.O.P on the bloody ban list of words not to type
Jason, if those 24" are Trinitrons, you could/should have put them on craigslist.
I drove 200klm and spent $200 on one just a few months ago. People still want them for competitive online shooters. Can you recover them?
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Katrina Bekers
Gallente Mia Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.26 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
Originally by: Katrina Bekers Eight years old graphic cards, huh?
Ok, CCP, nice move and all, but AT VERY LEAST try and be honest with this.
You're shoving down our throat this change. You do it to cut costs, to improve the product, to get rid of legacy, whatever. But at least don't pretend we're dumb or idiot.
The very machine I'm writing this stuff on is a run-of-the-mill office rig (HP DC7800P) with a low-spec graphic card integrated in the Intel Q35 chipset servicing the Core2Duo E8400 CPU.
- It supports SM2.0 - It doesn't support SM3.0 (checked with the app linked in the devblog) - It is still perfectly adequate for running low intensity tasks ingame like trading, POS caring, PI, hi-sec logistics and social stuff (chat, . - Probably won't be able to do that once you "discontinue" SM2.0. - It cannot be upgraded, as it's a work asset I'm allowed to use only after my daytime job is over and I relax a bit before going home. - Most important, it's a chipset released in June 2007 (reference). That's less than FOUR years ago. Not eight.
Thank you for reducing my play options.
So you're complaining that you don't get to use your work pc for fun and games?
So you're complaining that a PC that was explicitely NOT meant for games won't work with a game?
Just wondering.
I'm complaining that I won't be able to use a non-gaming platform for those activities that are PROVEN they don't require a modern-gaming-class hardware platform, and that today I'm able to do after workhours. Trading is Excel at best; actually text-mode with 2D graphs would be far more than enough. PI is basically overview-and-customs flying (you can do that with map screen open, WITHOUT any 3D output). Refuelling POSes is just moving RASTER pictures (again, no 3D required at all, doable on map screen) from one container to another. I'd offend your intelligence if I'd say that chatting would require Shader Model 3.0, ain't it?
Said so, what part of "activities that don't require high end graphics" you seem to not understand?
At home I have a machine that happily supports SM4.0, so I'm not complaining about CCP preventing me from playing. But stripping me of a convenience, without any real reason to do so.
Even in 2011, there ARE situations where a low-end output would be desirable, if possible, in addition to the "oooh shiny" one used to sell accounts.
In my original post I started with "Ok, CCP, nice move and all". I'm not complaining for the sake of it. I'm complaining for the rather lame excuse ("8 years old" is a deceiving statement - proven wrong by many other postsers, myself included), and intentionally and unreasonably reduction of game options. That's all. --- Kat |
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ACESsiggy
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: ACESsiggy on 26/03/2011 15:54:18 Does everyone receive the discount even if you have the latest shader technology? I'm looking to upgrade my nvidia Geforce 9800gt
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ACESsiggy
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:49:00 -
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reading the post above, I'm still giggling
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:56:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Maul555 on 26/03/2011 19:02:09 Edited by: Maul555 on 26/03/2011 18:57:41
Originally by: ACESsiggy Edited by: ACESsiggy on 26/03/2011 15:54:18 Does everyone receive the discount even if you have the latest shader technology? I'm looking to upgrade my nvidia Geforce 9800gt
I just heard on the fanfest stream that all eve players will be getting an invite for the discount... probably in your email inbox. I was going to upgrade with an ATI, but if their discount is good enough, I might go with Nvidia, if for no other reason than to have that built in phys-X that is going to be used with incarna characters... Withi that I could probably put off my processor upgrade even longer...
Funny how the discounts will be going out around the same time that everyone in the US will be getting back their tax return money
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Norjia Blacksteel
Gallente Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:04:00 -
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Mac version of SM3 checker? ---- Norjia Blacksteel CEO Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing |
Miranio
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:24:00 -
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I've just received today the rebate for EVGA graphic card compatible with SM3. The idea is pretty cool, but they are all PCI-E ... my motherboard is AGP, so then I'll need a new motherboard, that mean, new RAM and a new CPU... Upgrading the graphic card is not the only thing here, If I support only SM2 it's because that I have to change my whole computer to get SM3 ( and being a computer nearly 10 years old, I won't put another 150$ on it for a new graphic card AGP that support SM3 it's just crazy to put money on an old rig like that )
The fact I found crazy is that my rig is still able to run EVE with graphic to maximum at 30fps, so I don't feel the need to upgrade anything, the game is fully playable.
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Miranio I've just received today the rebate for EVGA graphic card compatible with SM3. The idea is pretty cool, but they are all PCI-E ... my motherboard is AGP, so then I'll need a new motherboard, that mean, new RAM and a new CPU... Upgrading the graphic card is not the only thing here, If I support only SM2 it's because that I have to change my whole computer to get SM3 ( and being a computer nearly 10 years old, I won't put another 150$ on it for a new graphic card AGP that support SM3 it's just crazy to put money on an old rig like that )
The fact I found crazy is that my rig is still able to run EVE with graphic to maximum at 30fps, so I don't feel the need to upgrade anything, the game is fully playable.
Where did you get the rebate? My inbox is still empty.
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Cyxopyc
Navy of Xoc Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:50:00 -
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Edited by: Cyxopyc on 26/03/2011 21:50:27
Originally by: Katrina Bekers
I'm complaining that I won't be able to use a non-gaming platform for those activities that are PROVEN they don't require a modern-gaming-class hardware platform, and that today I'm able to do after workhours. Trading is Excel at best; actually text-mode with 2D graphs would be far more than enough. PI is basically overview-and-customs flying (you can do that with map screen open, WITHOUT any 3D output). Refuelling POSes is just moving RASTER pictures (again, no 3D required at all, doable on map screen) from one container to another. I'd offend your intelligence if I'd say that chatting would require Shader Model 3.0, ain't it?
Said so, what part of "activities that don't require high end graphics" you seem to not understand?
At home I have a machine that happily supports SM4.0, so I'm not complaining about CCP preventing me from playing. But stripping me of a convenience, without any real reason to do so.
Even in 2011, there ARE situations where a low-end output would be desirable, if possible, in addition to the "oooh shiny" one used to sell accounts.
In my original post I started with "Ok, CCP, nice move and all". I'm not complaining for the sake of it. I'm complaining for the rather lame excuse ("8 years old" is a deceiving statement - proven wrong by many other postsers, myself included), and intentionally and unreasonably reduction of game options. That's all.
I agree with Katrina.
Unfortunately I think there're only about 12 people in the world that might agree with us and none of them are in charge of video game development.
I wish there were more options in EVE (and other games) to not display graphics. I've seen the benefits of less graphics in many good games in many ways.
I can only assume the reason developers refuse to allow the turning off of graphics is it's an easy way to draw a line on what systems the game will run on. Doing this restricts the variety of systems the company has to support and so creates fewer phone calls and e-mails to deal with.
It's also easier to not add another option. No matter how simple it is to add a check box to turn off the rendering of a model it does take some time to code the option into the client and into the game.
We should be grateful we can at least turn off drone models and a few other effects in EVE.
I don't suppose CCP might add gamma control? I hate having to wear my sunglasses inside a nebula or near a star. == Support fixing the EVE UI |
Klam
Amarr FACTS on EVE OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.26 23:39:00 -
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Ha.
What a joke. I just got the "discount code." A whopping 10%.
It brings EVGA brand video cards bought direct from EVGA to similar prices as EVGA and other brand NVidia cards when purchased from other online vendors.
Maybe, I shouldn't complain as this issue doesn't impact my main system directly. But I'm just bothered that this special deal is the equivalent of a FU to anyone who bothers to check the lowest hardware price anywhere else.
Kudos to whatever EVGA marketing person talked CCP into this direct marketing campaign, but for the actual players impacted by this, it's a joke.
For those that were using small portable laptops/netbooks that can't handle this anymore: checkout the Dell/Alienware Mx11. http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-m11x/fs it packs a good gaming punch in a small package for only $599.
For others with specific vid card issues for desktops... I recommend just asking your corp alliance mates for help. They can give you the attention your issue needs.
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Mira Teslee
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Posted - 2011.03.27 00:01:00 -
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Just determined my graphics card (GeForce 9500 GT) has Shader 3. I should be fine.
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Arushia
Nova Labs New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 00:58:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Miranio I've just received today the rebate for EVGA graphic card compatible with SM3. The idea is pretty cool, but they are all PCI-E ... my motherboard is AGP, so then I'll need a new motherboard, that mean, new RAM and a new CPU... Upgrading the graphic card is not the only thing here, If I support only SM2 it's because that I have to change my whole computer to get SM3 ( and being a computer nearly 10 years old, I won't put another 150$ on it for a new graphic card AGP that support SM3 it's just crazy to put money on an old rig like that )
The fact I found crazy is that my rig is still able to run EVE with graphic to maximum at 30fps, so I don't feel the need to upgrade anything, the game is fully playable.
I had a similar issue with the eVGA offer. There are no instructions given for how I'm supposed to cram one of those things into a laptop.
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DeEllen Fitzgerald
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:26:00 -
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Just got my "special offer" today. I compared the offer to what I can get at newegg.com. Lets see, 3 cards you can't even buy anymore(those would be the EVGA GeForce GTX 430/440/450); the EVGA GeForce GTX 460, with a Newegg mail in $30 rebate, makes it ~$10 cheaper than the "Special Offer", and the EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB is the same price (after mail in rebates on both offers)...so the 10%, if the MIR is still good, might save you ~$10-12.
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Maul555 on 27/03/2011 02:34:01 Edited by: Maul555 on 27/03/2011 02:30:39
Originally by: Klam Ha.
What a joke. I just got the "discount code." A whopping 10%.
It brings EVGA brand video cards bought direct from EVGA to similar prices as EVGA and other brand NVidia cards when purchased from other online vendors.
Maybe, I shouldn't complain as this issue doesn't impact my main system directly. But I'm just bothered that this special deal is the equivalent of a FU to anyone who bothers to check the lowest hardware price anywhere else.
Kudos to whatever EVGA marketing person talked CCP into this direct marketing campaign, but for the actual players impacted by this, it's a joke.
For those that were using small portable laptops/netbooks that can't handle this anymore: checkout the Dell/Alienware Mx11. http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-m11x/fs it packs a good gaming punch in a small package for only $599.
For others with specific vid card issues for desktops... I recommend just asking your corp alliance mates for help. They can give you the attention your issue needs.
Agreed. EVGA's cards are overpriced. This discount doesnt even bring the price down to a competative level with the equivalent card from other brands. I am still getting a new card tho. Factory OC'd MSI GTX 460 for $150 before rebate compared to the EVGA for about $165 after this awesome "discount"... And the MSI card has a much better heatsink...
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cyxopyc Unfortunately I think there're only about 12 people in the world that might agree with us and none of them are in charge of video game development.
I don't mean to be rude, but there's a reason for that. Supporting older hardware which even the manufacturers stopped supporting is incredibly hard to do (and expensive) if you want to keep moving forward. As i've explained before, EVE used to require only DirectX 7 cards (though not even hardware t&l) - Why support hardware which only a vast minority of subscribers still use? It costs more than what those users actually bring in for an at best marginal benefit. Same goes for dx8, and it will be the same for dx9 at some point in the future. At a certain point you're maintaining (very costly) features which don't maintain themselves financially.
The big problem with support is, well, support. If something goes wrong with the older tech, CCP has to support it and help you solve the problem. In 3 years, Microsoft will stop supporting XP aswell, they already stopped development on it other than security updates. I expect CCP to drop official support for XP around that time aswell, maybe even sooner depending on vista/7 penetration.
It's easy to complain about older hardware not being supported anymore, but what most people don't understand is that there's a very good reason for that. Having to code for (and support) multiple rendering paths is a nightmare and will only lead to problems down the line. You may feel like you're entitled to 'your support and convenience', but at the end of the day, CCP needs to at least break even and, well, it's just a game. For now anyway ;p
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Klam
Amarr FACTS on EVE OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Klam Ha.
What a joke. I just got the "discount code." A whopping 10%.
It brings EVGA brand video cards bought direct from EVGA to similar prices as EVGA and other brand NVidia cards when purchased from other online vendors.
Maybe, I shouldn't complain as this issue doesn't impact my main system directly. But I'm just bothered that this special deal is the equivalent of a FU to anyone who bothers to check the lowest hardware price anywhere else.
Kudos to whatever EVGA marketing person talked CCP into this direct marketing campaign, but for the actual players impacted by this, it's a joke.
For those that were using small portable laptops/netbooks that can't handle this anymore: checkout the Dell/Alienware Mx11. http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-m11x/fs it packs a good gaming punch in a small package for only $599.
For others with specific vid card issues for desktops... I recommend just asking your corp alliance mates for help. They can give you the attention your issue needs.
I just want to be clear ... I support the change to the game. Especially if it's used to implement some of the SM 3 performance features regarding mass quantities of the same model. Massive fleet fights anyone?
What I find offensive is the "we'll help with a hardware discount" which feels like nothing more then a targeted EVGA marketing campaign.
Did you do any research on the SM2 users before issuing this "discount deal"? I suspect that a large number if not most of the SM2 users are using laptops. Desktop users already have a large array of cost effective options for used cards and new lower end hardware that can handle SM3. It's the laptop users that are really screwed by this, as they need to buy whole new systems.
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Duvida
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.28 04:03:00 -
[145]
While the design of Intel's Atom is a problem for coders, the problem for coders remains how to work with this issue WITHOUT losing major support from the user/playerbase and without spending so much time on the code that they neglect other areas. Unfortunately, the Atom appears to be in widespread usage, and with EVE's type of playerbase, many of them travelling several days as a part of work, (the level of the game does keep the higher functioning player more than the other MMOs do) this decision may in fact do some kneecapping to the support of the playerbase. After all, why subscribe to a game you now can't play or even interact with very often? Learning... |
Eve Midnight
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Posted - 2011.03.28 09:55:00 -
[146]
Awesome, just got my discount code in the email you guys sent out. Not sure which card to go for, please advise:
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SE
EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB
Main diferences I see is: 1) Memory: 1024 MB, 256 bit vs 1024 MB, 192 bit GDDR5 2) Cores: 288 Processing Cores vs 192 CUDA Cores
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zey Nadar on 28/03/2011 12:04:45
Originally by: David Carel
Originally by: LarpingBard Tell CCP Zulu to thank the dev team for alienating a huge chunk of their users. Account is canceled guys.
3% for sure is a huge chunk.
3% out of 300000 is 9000 people. If those people pay 1 month recurring sub that would be 134550 euros lost per month. Judge yourself would it be 'nothing'.
The discount offer is nice, but does not really do much anything for majority of people who are affected by this, as they propably need a whole new computer anyway.
I understand that this kind of change eventually must be done, but I dont have to like it. Personally I never rate eyecandy above playability. So I will always be unhappy about changes forced down our throats.
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.28 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Eve Midnight Awesome, just got my discount code in the email you guys sent out. Not sure which card to go for, please advise:
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SE
EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB
Main diferences I see is: 1) Memory: 1024 MB, 256 bit vs 1024 MB, 192 bit GDDR5 2) Cores: 288 Processing Cores vs 192 CUDA Cores
Go with the 1 gig GTX 460 SE, or a 768mb GTX 460. They are both better than the 550 Ti for the same price. There are some differences between the GTX 460 and its SE version, but you cant go wrong either way. Its a trade off... a little bit more horse power, or a little bit more ram.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.03.28 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Maul555
Originally by: Eve Midnight Awesome, just got my discount code in the email you guys sent out. Not sure which card to go for, please advise:
EVGA GeForce GTX 460 SE
EVGA GeForce GTX 550 Ti FPB
Main diferences I see is: 1) Memory: 1024 MB, 256 bit vs 1024 MB, 192 bit GDDR5 2) Cores: 288 Processing Cores vs 192 CUDA Cores
Go with the 1 gig GTX 460 SE, or a 768mb GTX 460. They are both better than the 550 Ti for the same price. There are some differences between the GTX 460 and its SE version, but you cant go wrong either way. Its a trade off... a little bit more horse power, or a little bit more ram.
Changed from Ati double pross/mem to Gigabyte GTX460 and the result is absolutely incredible for less than half price. I could buy higher versions but the one who retained my attention was the 460 and I really got for my bucks. ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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kaos Achasse
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:07:00 -
[150]
I read many of the comments and find it interesting that some things are being missed.
How many EVE players have only DirectX 9.x installed? If you can't upgrade to DirectX 11, then your video card or chipset is out of date. You will need to get it replaced with a new one, do an upgrade, or buy a new computer - For people on a limited budget, that might be too much to ask for any game.
A very real problem is that a number of desktop computer manufacturers sold (over the past four years) what I call 'el cheapo' models that have no PCI Express slots on the motherboards. People who bought those computers are limited to either using the built-in video or PCI/AGP video cards. Up until just a bit ago, no one made a PCI video card that supported DirectX 11.. Now there is one and its not an nVidia either.
I could do a shameless plug for my real life computer company that sells that video card to USA residents but would probably be in violation of the terms of service.
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Eve Midnight
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:05:00 -
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Yeah I thought the GTX 460 se, was a better buy.
Had a small issue with the coupon though, paypal didnt register it thus didnt order it today, EVGA cart registered the discount but when going to pay, paypal fail me. Just waiting for EVGA to sort it out.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente Unknown Soldiers Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 06:43:00 -
[152]
Originally by: kaos Achasse
How many EVE players have only DirectX 9.x installed? If you can't upgrade to DirectX 11, then your video card or chipset is out of date.
I need to update...my windows. I have been playing off win xp. Now I am forced to update to 7.. sigh. And then myriad other things stop working. (since xp doesnt support directX 11 or even 10 afaik)
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kaos Achasse
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.29 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Zey Nadar I have been playing off win xp. Now I am forced to update to 7.. sigh. And then myriad other things stop working. (since xp doesnt support directX 11 or even 10 afaik)
DirectX 10 was strictly for Vista. DirectX 11 is supported on some versions of Vista and of course Win 7.
If you decide that you are going to upgrade your XP to Win 7, be aware that the "upgrade" version requires you to do a full backup of your hard drive because it will reformat it during the installation process. That was a bit of a surprise to many so I suggest people buy the (32 bit or 64 bit version, depends on your cpu type) OEM version of Home Premium, Professional, or Ultimate instead of the "upgrade" or "full" (retail) version. OEM versions are always cheaper than a new computer.
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Vincent Aran
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.29 21:42:00 -
[154]
So 2011 and they are moving on from wasting their time on SM 2.0 to wasting who know how many ****ing years with SM 3.0.
I'm being a little sarcastic here but in all seriousness, and sorry if this has been addressed already since I took a year and a half pause of the game, but with the obvious allergy to new graphical technologies("new" for CCP means 2006-2007) they have, should we expect the first 64-bit client in 2017-18... maybe?
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Vincent Aran
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.29 21:53:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana For those of you who are about to become roadkill on the evolution highway, can I please have your stuff before you are locked out of it?
Btw, the computer I built back in 2004 has Shader Model 3.
+1
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Spc One
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.29 22:32:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Spc One on 29/03/2011 22:34:14
My notebook does not support 3.0 This means that i will not buy a new notebook for this change, might just quit playing eve. And what is next ? 4.0 ? Windows vista only eve ?
And no, i will not update to vista or win7 i am staying on windows server 2003 / XP. ____________________________________________________________________________ Angel 0/A |
Major Krieger
Caldari tDM Drunken Monkeys NUNQUAM RETRO
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Posted - 2011.03.29 23:38:00 -
[157]
I can't understand any of the people complaining here, I for myself have very little money but my PC which is from 2006 had a card with SM3 from the beginning, in july '10 I sold that card for 60Ç and buyed a new one with SM5 for just 160Ç which now costs only 80Ç. A normal Card that runs eve on medium settings can be bought for under 50 $ as some people already stated. And for the requirements for eve: minimum is for just being able to start eve, recommended is the minimum to run eve on medium settings. i.e. if you look at the requirements for a game, ignore the minimum just pay attention to the recommended and see them as a minimum.
And for the laptop users: I have a laptop to, its from 2009 and even it has SM4.1 the problem you (the people with new but bad laptops) is that you didn't looked at what you're buying, I laugh at everyone who buys a laptop with intel graphics. Seriously guys, it's common knowledge that intel graphic sucks and every laptop that is newer than 2006 with an ATI or nVidia card supports at least SM3 an no they don't cost 1000 $ or Ç !!! you can buy them for less than 500 $
Mine has a crappy ATI Radeon 6300 which supports SM4.1 and it able to run eve on high settings with still 30 fps.
and for eveyone who complains that he/she isn't able to play eve at work:
YOU SHOULD GET FIRED FOR PLAYING AT WORK!
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Maul555
Amarr Nuts and Vindictive
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Posted - 2011.03.29 23:57:00 -
[158]
@Major Krieger: Amen...
The complaints are from people who play a constantly evolving computer game to relax, and simultaneously make no effort to stay current with the technology that enables that same computer game to function.
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Vincent Aran
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:00:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Spc One Edited by: Spc One on 29/03/2011 22:34:14
My notebook does not support 3.0 This means that i will not buy a new notebook for this change, might just quit playing eve. And what is next ? 4.0 ? Windows vista only eve ?
And no, i will not update to vista or win7 i am staying on windows server 2003 / XP.
Well this is your problem then, **** off and have a nice day.
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Kei Korono
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Posted - 2011.03.30 19:34:00 -
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I bought a year old home computer from a friend a few weeks ago; it sounded great, 500mb SATA hard drive, dual core, 4 GB memory, etc.; my old computer is like 7 or 8 years old, so old it has a built in floppy and uses IDE hard drives, and I switch between XP and 7 because some of my programs aren't 7 compatible. When I started loading some of my old games on the new computer, I was shocked to find that it wouldn't play some games I bought way back in 2005, because its graphics card doesn't support SM3. I never had any problems playing the games with my old computer. I ran the little checker; the ancient dinosaur passed the test, the new one flunked.
The point is that, while most of us with ancient computers won't have any problems, some people with fairly new ones will. Apparently, some computer manufacturers are REALLY skimping on the graphics cards lately. Just because you've got a new computer doesn't mean it's using up-to-date technology. Or even 7-year-old tech. There will probably be some people who bought really low-end new computers who will have problems.
That being said, it's great that you're improving the graphics; the graphics in this game are great. Really detailed artwork; your artists are really good. The resolution is great, even at max zoom; a lot of much newer games don't measure up when it comes to graphics.
I don't think you'll lose many players; if they can't play EVE, they can't play most of the games out there. Nearly all of them will just do like I did: Grumble about how cheap their computer manufacturer is, then go to the store and shell out $50 or so to buy a new graphics card.
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Sloan X
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.03.30 20:27:00 -
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Good move CCP, Id like to see an even richer client(option)for high end users.
if you can not find a way to be in accord w/the new change you have conspicuous RL problems that might(should) take prioity over internet spaceships.
im i being a jerk..YES! because its utterly ridiculous. that people would hold CCP culpable. and then to cry about the discount..even if it is moot, they made moves.
owning a PC and PC gaming has always been about new technologys and upgrading. pushing hardware till it smokes and being able to fixx and trouble shoot your problems.
sounds like some of you need to invest in consoles....if you can afford it.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.03.31 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Swynet on 31/03/2011 15:29:03
Originally by: Spc One My notebook does not support 3.0
I'm sure your notebook hardware (pross/mem) can, the issue is your graphics card and it's directx support SS model
Quote: owning a PC and PC gaming has always been about new technologys and upgrading. pushing hardware till it smokes and being able to fixx and trouble shoot your problems.
Old Amiga user here and small over-clocker since then. Yes games are a very good exercise to push your [stuff] over the limits ________________________________________________
Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Wayah Alpha
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Posted - 2011.04.01 03:49:00 -
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Nice I guess I'm done with EVE. I really enjoy the game but I play from my laptop and I can't CHANGE THE VIDEO CARD. Great suggestion!
I'm toast.
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Wayah Alpha
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Posted - 2011.04.01 17:03:00 -
[164]
NOT DEAD AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!1
The CCP Shader 3.0 utility incorrectly identified my system as incompatible SORT OF!
Turns out my hardware IS compatible with Shader 3.0 but my system firmware and software had to be tweaked before the CCP detection utility would realize it.
I suggest that other laptop users look at the following chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shader#Hardware
This will tell you if your system hardware will support it. After that make sure that all available system Manufacturer's updates are applied. Then make sure the operating system is up to date.
I then ran the CCP utility and it did pass.
Good Luck
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Lorren Canada
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:09:00 -
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CCP, I would please like a refund for the fifteen dollars I paid a few days ago to renew my subscription. I can no longer play your game due to a graphical update I had no idea was coming. I paid money for a game I can no longer log in for. In the future I hope you will do a better job of informing your customer base about such changes that might render some unable to access a game they've paid money to play. Thank you.
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LinChow
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:17:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Maul555 Awesome... I had no idea you guys where supporting video cards that are 8+ years old. Don't worry, these people already knew they needed an upgrade long before this.
Hey, Know-it-all...
My laptop is only 2 years old and the graphics card isn't supported any more. How about one of your smartalec answers for that?
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Scarlet Enigma Kusoni
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Posted - 2011.06.22 02:58:00 -
[167]
My feelings on this? Well I am a BROKE college student, and now my MMO (EVE) requires Shader Model 3, and I have a laptop with on-board graphics that don't support that.
So 4 YEARS of eve is down the tubes indefinitely.
I can hardly type I am so angry and upset at this.So....$% it. You forced many loyal players into retirement.
As much as I hate to say it.......back to WoW I guess.
I'm out. Thanks a lot CCP.
P.S. Why couldn't you make it an option? I don't care about captains quarters. I just want to be able to play again. Let me disable it and get back into the game......
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Nak hak
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Posted - 2011.06.22 05:51:00 -
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Will "flock" me for not checking your self-important developer's blog I missed it.
The true is you ended it after March 31th 2011. I tested it. New card installed. Not for your software.
It's sad when poor communication risks bring an end to a business relationship. Try harder next time.
Best regards.
P.S. Your support website still says you can run EVE with SM2. Again, you need to try harder.
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Agente51
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Posted - 2011.06.22 09:09:00 -
[169]
Originally by: DTson Gauur I hope this means that there will also be an external way coming (read: EveGate) to change the skill queue, your decision just killed about all netbooks which quite happily run the current client enough to chat and manage skills etc.
this
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Thom Baron
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.06.22 14:38:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Thom Baron on 22/06/2011 14:39:05 Well, eve was already becoming a pain in the ass, probably better that you guys save me some money!
I am buying a new computer soon, but I'll try and avoid getting back on eve.. hopefully the fewmonth break will get me out of a bad habit.
If small gang PVP ever comes back into fashion somebody let me know.. I wont be holding my breath, but I can dream.
This means I probably wont be getting into Dust either anymore.. starts to look like just another shooter if you're not involved with eve as well. newish pvp pilot looking for a corp! (9m SP) |
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Wigdigster
Amarr United Kings Strategic Operations Brigade
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Posted - 2011.06.22 17:32:00 -
[171]
I'm glad to hear eve is dropping outdated support, there is no reason to support shader 2.0 anymore, as it isn't even supported in the latest direct x 9...
There is no reason to support old garbage hardware, and if you haven't upgraded that old piece of junk, you should because its likely to have a hard-drive failure or other problems soon.
(note that most of the complaints were by carebears) Euro Guro! \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Grotesque Nonsense ///////////////////!!!
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Dueo
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Major Krieger I can't understand any of the people complaining here, I for myself have very little money but my PC which is from 2006 had a card with SM3 from the beginning, in july '10 I sold that card for 60Ç and buyed a new one with SM5 for just 160Ç which now costs only 80Ç. A normal Card that runs eve on medium settings can be bought for under 50 $ as some people already stated. And for the requirements for eve: minimum is for just being able to start eve, recommended is the minimum to run eve on medium settings. i.e. if you look at the requirements for a game, ignore the minimum just pay attention to the recommended and see them as a minimum.
And for the laptop users: I have a laptop to, its from 2009 and even it has SM4.1 the problem you (the people with new but bad laptops) is that you didn't looked at what you're buying, I laugh at everyone who buys a laptop with intel graphics. Seriously guys, it's common knowledge that intel graphic sucks and every laptop that is newer than 2006 with an ATI or nVidia card supports at least SM3 an no they don't cost 1000 $ or Ç !!! you can buy them for less than 500 $
Mine has a crappy ATI Radeon 6300 which supports SM4.1 and it able to run eve on high settings with still 30 fps.
and for eveyone who complains that he/she isn't able to play eve at work:
YOU SHOULD GET FIRED FOR PLAYING AT WORK!
Yes the graphics card is relatively cheap however you still lack knowledge on what really is the problem for these individuals. The people complaining have laptops and notebooks. If you knew anything about how laptops and notebooks were designed you wouldn't be talking. I'll explain. On a normal desktop computer you can change your graphics easily. Simply take the graphics card out and replace it. On a notebook its embedded in the mother board. You see now. So instead on $500 your looking at quite a bit more. Do note these people may not have the money to pay for an upgrade. The economy has been crap for the last couple of years. I heard ccp is working on a deal for graphic cards. This however does not solve the problem for laptop users. Maybe they could utilize their relationship with alienware. Discount from a 699 base.
**Cough** M11x **Cough**
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Seishi Maru
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2011.06.22 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Wigdigster Edited by: Wigdigster on 22/06/2011 18:09:20 I'm glad to hear eve is dropping outdated support, there is no reason to support shader 2.0 anymore, as it isn't even supported in the latest direct x 9...
There is no reason to support old garbage hardware, and if you haven't upgraded that old piece of junk, you should because its likely to have a hard-drive failure or other problems soon.
(note that most of the complaints were by carebears, or well in my opinion macro miners, it would make sense if u wanted to run macros on cheap used boxes, but even shader 3 is a cheap requirement still)
I clearly have not even an idea of what shaders are and should shut up! Direct X supports even today shaders 1.0 even no shaders at all!
So if you have zero Idea of what you are talking about.. shut up!
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Baron Blofeld
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Posted - 2011.06.22 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Baron Blofeld on 22/06/2011 22:23:53 Edited by: Baron Blofeld on 22/06/2011 22:22:40 Edited by: Baron Blofeld on 22/06/2011 22:21:57 Edited by: Baron Blofeld on 22/06/2011 22:21:27 Edited by: Baron Blofeld on 22/06/2011 22:20:09 Q: How many people with **** computers own a ps3? I imagine it would be quite high.. Part of the reason I dont own a good computer is because I have a PS3 for gaming - eve is the only thing I play on computer... So I'm basically looking at paying many hundreds of dollars just for a new version of eve if I upgrade.
Interested to know if this will affect Dust sales...
If you can't play eve anymore, would you still want to play dust? I don't/won't.
Also with regard to upgrading, in addition to laptops not being upgradeable, remember alot of the people with SM2 cards are going to have to upgrade their MoBo to accept a better graphics card, meaning then possibly their processor(s) / ram as well.
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Slidepot
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Posted - 2011.06.22 23:13:00 -
[175]
Don't get your hopes up.. mine passes the shader 3 thing too.. but I just looked here... http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124
They've changed the minimum Video Card memory to 128MB and don't officially support older cards like the GeForce 6000 series my card is.
The Shader 3 only is a lie
Originally by: Wayah Alpha
NOT DEAD AFTER ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!1
The CCP Shader 3.0 utility incorrectly identified my system as incompatible SORT OF!
Turns out my hardware IS compatible with Shader 3.0 but my system firmware and software had to be tweaked before the CCP detection utility would realize it.
I suggest that other laptop users look at the following chart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_shader#Hardware
This will tell you if your system hardware will support it. After that make sure that all available system Manufacturer's updates are applied. Then make sure the operating system is up to date.
I then ran the CCP utility and it did pass.
Good Luck
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Epyx Nykee
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:17:00 -
[176]
This has to be CCP's idea of how to Fix the lag, Reduction in 9,000+ pilots.
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Doublewhopper
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Posted - 2011.06.23 19:35:00 -
[177]
WTF just happened to the statement "We are not going to enforce SM3" as per Devblog??
I have a machine that tells me i require SM3 to log in or it won't let me
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Scarlet Enigma Kusoni
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:31:00 -
[178]
Please just let us disable all the new **** and play eve again. If I can't get back in within a month. I'm out for good. And whats the point of dust with no eve? Just a "Revert to previous graphics" or something option.
Thanks CCP.
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LarpingBard
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:41:00 -
[179]
Everyone told me to shut up, that I was whining, when I raised the alarm months ago. 4 words: I told you so. You weren't listening my fellow gamers, nor were you CCP. CCP, You just told a bunch of your paying clients to go jump off a cliff. Fellow gamers, you thought incarna would break only on old crappy computers. Guess what...incarna sucks on your new shiny ones too. Doom 3 came out in 2004 and is superior in every way to Incarna in 2011 -- and still overheats your GPU/CPU even though you have the shiniest liquid cooled systems. CCP hates you...it's just that simple.
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Scarlet Enigma Kusoni
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Posted - 2011.06.24 04:43:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Reiisha
Entitlement issues, seriously. You're even getting refunds. It's a game, people. A GAME.
We are getting refunds? I didn't read that anywhere.
That would make me feel less like I was getting shafted.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.24 15:27:00 -
[181]
Originally by: LarpingBard Everyone told me to shut up, that I was whining, when I raised the alarm months ago. 4 words: I told you so. You weren't listening my fellow gamers, nor were you CCP. CCP, You just told a bunch of your paying clients to go jump off a cliff. Fellow gamers, you thought incarna would break only on old crappy computers. Guess what...incarna sucks on your new shiny ones too. Doom 3 came out in 2004 and is superior in every way to Incarna in 2011 -- and still overheats your GPU/CPU even though you have the shiniest liquid cooled systems. CCP hates you...it's just that simple.
You are a minority, CCP themselves said in april less then 3%. Since many people have upgraded or quit, you are among the less then 1% now.
Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
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Epyx Nykee
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2011.06.25 00:20:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
Originally by: LarpingBard Everyone told me to shut up, that I was whining, when I raised the alarm months ago. 4 words: I told you so. You weren't listening my fellow gamers, nor were you CCP. CCP, You just told a bunch of your paying clients to go jump off a cliff. Fellow gamers, you thought incarna would break only on old crappy computers. Guess what...incarna sucks on your new shiny ones too. Doom 3 came out in 2004 and is superior in every way to Incarna in 2011 -- and still overheats your GPU/CPU even though you have the shiniest liquid cooled systems. CCP hates you...it's just that simple.
You are a minority, CCP themselves said in april less then 3%. Since many people have upgraded or quit, you are among the less then 1% now.
May be among the 1% but the number of people who do not give input and simply think to themselves "Can't play eve till i get a new Vid card or Laptop" are much greater than 1%. Not to mention if you search the other threads the Incarna update has fried several PC's and is virtually wreaking havoc on many users PC's due to what can only be described as bad coding. (search other threads, there here, not taking the time to link them).
Personaly I would like to know how CCP plans on addressing those players who just started or recently purchased EVE on CD only to find out that the requirements they were given @ purchase time = SORRY WE SOLD YOU A PACKAGE THAT YOU CANNOT PLAY.
As per other threads (leaked CCP Document) one has to wonder what is going through the minds of CCP. No TRUE offical statement has been given on any of the main issue's. Just the normal "Sorry you were told, nothing is wrong, thats just the way it is" comments.
I am one of the 9,000+ users who cannot play, YES it sucks. But then playing on an old laptop sucks too :p (Ya I could go out and buy a PC for under $1k, but I would rather have a place to live, food on my plate and clothing for my family @ the moment.)
For those people that keep tellin people how cheap a PC is that can play eve all I have to say to you is "F*ck Off". It's nice to be well off and have the things you wan't. But most of us don't have a bank account that we can just dip into for a PC to play eve, nor have we purchased a good PC in years. Yes there cheap, but RL **** comes before this game.
No amount of *****ing is going to get CCP to release a client for us who currently cannot support sm3, This is a money maker for them. More sold Plex's for there special items, New Advertisement with the addition of the WALKING AROUND IN A STATION will bring in more new players that are used to using RL money to buy items.
To those in PB. Soon enough I will be back, so will alot of Vet players that currently can't play. Enjoy your time with us not in game cuz when the day comes that we can log back in were gonna be ****ed and we'll be looking for you :)
Epyx
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Cpt Zigzag
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Posted - 2011.06.26 21:48:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Zigzag on 26/06/2011 21:49:23 I too was one of the 9000 read the forums once a week ,thought I kept up with news. Butt i missed the boat , figured we were good untill full incarna was active. So I lost a week play time, cant just build a new computer overnight. Just thought with all the crap , CCP puts on the load in screen, a little banner a week befor would have been NICE!. No I did not rage quit/ and no, you can not have my stuff.
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pte radar
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Posted - 2011.06.30 02:19:00 -
[184]
i have a question about the whole shader model 3 thing. i have 2 computers that i use to play eve. a laptop and desktop, both from dell. i can play eve on my laptop that is older than the desktop but when i try to play onthe desktop, i get an error message that " shader model3 (sm3) is needed" how do i get shader model 3 so i can play eve on my desktop? both are all up to day with vista and the latest patch from eve. and i am having trouble finding this shader model 3 that i need. can anyone help me please and thank you
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Atreus Venom
Gallente New Eden Hitmen
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Posted - 2011.06.30 23:27:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Gavjack Bunk If only you were banning 9000 bot accounts rather than 9000 genuine accounts I wouldn't have to hold you in massive contempt.
there was a scientific study done where they would take people who made fun of or hated on other people for doing things they didnt do....
the scientist then taught them how to do it whether they said they knew how or not... and over 90% started doing it from then on...
what this means is dont be mad you dont know how to use technology to your advantage...
BUT!!! at the same time i agree... botters and NeX must go º--Atreus--º
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Sook Statta Hahndah
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Posted - 2011.07.01 05:18:00 -
[186]
Originally by: pte radar i have a question about the whole shader model 3 thing. i have 2 computers that i use to play eve. a laptop and desktop, both from dell. i can play eve on my laptop that is older than the desktop but when i try to play onthe desktop, i get an error message that " shader model3 (sm3) is needed" how do i get shader model 3 so i can play eve on my desktop? both are all up to day with vista and the latest patch from eve. and i am having trouble finding this shader model 3 that i need. can anyone help me please and thank you
Assuming you're not trolling, you likely need to upgrade your video card.
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DC API
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Posted - 2011.08.14 19:10:00 -
[187]
ok if the SM3 thing is a problem for people with older computers i say stop playing eve for about 5 months and take the extra $15 a month and save it for a viedo card that can run it and if you problem isnt a desktop then take a year off and save and in 12 months youll have enough to buy an old laptop that supports sm3 and you can run the game. hell if someone wants to buy a toshiba satellite that will run eve on low ill sell mine
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Ulath
Gallente Red Sun Trading
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Posted - 2011.08.20 09:31:00 -
[188]
If u have a old computer with the radeon Xpress 1250 card. just install ubuntu and all your problems are solved. Well allmost :D u still need to go through the entire install progress. Good Luck with that. xD Even Though You Fall, That Flesh Shall Be Made A New!
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Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:32:00 -
[189]
Originally by: kaos Achasse
If you decide that you are going to upgrade your XP to Win 7, be aware that the "upgrade" version requires you to do a full backup of your hard drive because it will reformat it during the installation process.
This is incorrect. During the installation, the Program Files, Documents and Settings, and Windows folders will be moved into a Windows.old folder. Then afterwards, you can copy all your old documents, app settings for some apps, etc. into the Windows 7 equivalent folders.
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Xylorn Hasher
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Posted - 2011.09.01 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Scarlet Enigma Kusoni My feelings on this? Well I am a BROKE college student, and now my MMO (EVE) requires Shader Model 3, and I have a laptop with on-board graphics that don't support that.
So 4 YEARS of eve is down the tubes indefinitely.
I can hardly type I am so angry and upset at this.So....$% it. You forced many loyal players into retirement.
As much as I hate to say it.......back to WoW I guess.
I'm out. Thanks a lot CCP.
P.S. Why couldn't you make it an option? I don't care about captains quarters. I just want to be able to play again. Let me disable it and get back into the game......
Can i have your stuff?
Eve and DX11 Fu** yeah!!
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Xylorn Hasher
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Posted - 2011.09.01 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Thom Baron Edited by: Thom Baron on 22/06/2011 14:39:05 Well, eve was already becoming a pain in the ass, probably better that you guys save me some money!
I am buying a new computer soon, but I'll try and avoid getting back on eve.. hopefully the fewmonth break will get me out of a bad habit.
If small gang PVP ever comes back into fashion somebody let me know.. I wont be holding my breath, but I can dream.
This means I probably wont be getting into Dust either anymore.. starts to look like just another shooter if you're not involved with eve as well.
You are a moron. Truly. Take your ass to Gusandal plenty of small scale pvp out there
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