Originally by: Metal Icarus

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Caldari Navy hookbill makin a comeback?

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Originally by: Gibbo5771

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So the way I see it is, rockets > every small turret (lasers being maybe par to it)

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Originally by: Salpad

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MSE & EM rig = sig bloat?

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Originally by: Paikis

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Originally by: Salpad

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MSE & EM rig = sig bloat?

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I'm guessing you fly with no tank on any of your ships then? Because a shield tank will bloat your sig, leading to more damage taken... but an armor tank will slow you down, making you easier to hit and increasing damage taken.

Just exactly what were you trying to suggest with your post? Are you perhaps trying to suggest that the Hawk should be armor tanked?

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Originally by: Salpad

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Originally by: Paikis

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Originally by: Salpad

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MSE & EM rig = sig bloat?

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I'm guessing you fly with no tank on any of your ships then? Because a shield tank will bloat your sig, leading to more damage taken... but an armor tank will slow you down, making you easier to hit and increasing damage taken.

Just exactly what were you trying to suggest with your post? Are you perhaps trying to suggest that the Hawk should be armor tanked?

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I'm just asking whether it is right to be uconcerned with sig bloat, and if active tanking might be viable after all, if done right.

And maybe I'm also asking whether it might be worthwhile to use an EM hardener, instead of an EM resist rig, since the hardener does not cause sig bloat.

Is it not worthwhile to try to avoid sig bloat?

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Originally by: Salpad

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I'm just asking whether it is right to be uconcerned with sig bloat, and if active tanking might be viable after all, if done right.

And maybe I'm also asking whether it might be worthwhile to use an EM hardener, instead of an EM resist rig, since the hardener does not cause sig bloat.

Is it not worthwhile to try to avoid sig bloat?

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Originally by: Paikis

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The EM hardener takes your signature radius from 46m to 48.3m. Not big enough to worry about.

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Originally by: Paikis

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Edited by: Paikis on 24/03/2011 21:19:37
[Hawk, PvPz]
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
1MN Afterburner II

[empty high slot]
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket

Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Or you can PIMP it...

[Hawk, PIMP]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner
True Sansha Warp Scrambler
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender

Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
[empty high slot]
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Thorn Rage Rocket

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Bay Loading Accelerator II

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Originally by: Ezekeil Rage

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Two questions:

1) The EHP of the Hawk with the Extender is enough to make up for the bonus of the booster?

2) You find the loading accelerator more useful than plugging the giant black EM hole with a second EM reinforcer rig? I've been fitting two of them to try and keep that from being an easily exploitable weakness.

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Originally by: Paikis

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1) Using a shield booster on the Hawk, requires a cap booster as well. This means that you lose your web (usually) which reduces your damage by a fair bit. A booster fit requires alot more ISK to be thrown at it as well. A buffer fit is effective and can be pulled off without blowing the bank.

2) If someone is ONLY firing EM damage at you, then you'd be better off with 2xEM rigs. However, there are only a few frigates that will use EMP against a Hawk. Generally they'll be the caldari rocket ships and the minmatar ships. The hawk should be able to kill a rocket kestrel handily, and if its another Hawk and they're stupid enough to use unbonused EMP rockets, its an easy win. If you're being attacked by a minmatar, it'll usually be either a rifter or a jaguar. Rifters you should be able to burn through nicely with bonused CN Thorn rockets, even in a straight up slug-fest, the Hawk should kill a rifter. Try to maintain range and keep out of their falloff for as long as possible. Against a jag, assuming its a shield-gank fit, you'll be firing at it's lowest resists with bonused rockets. Same deal as the rifter, try to maintain range as long as you can. Amarr generally wont use lasers on their frigates, instead prefering to use ACs. If you do get attacked by a serious laser boat, you might lose... or if it's a punisher you can just leave.

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Originally by: Paikis

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I'm at work, so can't 100% confirm this, but from memory using a small booster is just not enough boost for the loss of the medium extender. Your average Rifter does something like 80-100 DPS, and a small booster is about 50 boost every 2 seconds. A medium booster provides enough boost to cover the loss of buffer, but it will suck your cap dry in about half a second. Thus, you need a cap booster.

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