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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2011.03.25 03:58:00 -
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It'll give a small benefit to those who maintain very high faction standing. If you have 8+ standing with a faction there will be no grind when switching corporations.
It'll also have lesser impact on those who don't (for whatever reason) rely on the LP for income. Bounty won't be affected at all. While mission reward and time bonus will, they're a typically small percentage. ______________________________________________________ PVP is a question that has no one right answer but a lot of wrong ones. - Aelana Anais
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.25 04:41:00 -
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So are they going to add the missing lvl4 agents to Gallente space ? As it is, the number of agents per faction is grossly messed up. Meaning everyone running Gallente will get stuck in a fewer amount of places. Having less agents actually means they will be less dynamic.
Is the dynamic component based on per corp, or per faction ? Will all Gal Navy agents suddenly suck and everyone has to go run Alistra Mining Corp ?
Is it constellational, regional, or entire universe ? Will all the Syndicate Quafe stations suddenly become hubs of carebear alliances ? Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Eoras Northwind
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.03.25 06:00:00 -
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Will this affect L1 Q0 and lower agents people use to recover their standings after all those faction kill missions? Stink like unwashed Eagle, Mind of Tomato Paste. |
Dek'athor
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Posted - 2011.03.25 06:33:00 -
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Quote: Dynamic Agent Quality - coming to TQ
Citation needed
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.25 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dek'athor Citation needed
Are quotes from CCP devs not enough?
Quote: if this goes through, the effects will be:
Nowhere near as severe as you hope.
What will most likely happen is people with a brain move to better agents, dumb people just grind more to make the same ISK.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.25 11:16:00 -
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I hope the boosts/reductions come relative to your faction, and the system security they are in.
Example, the top 10/bottom 10 of all Caldari State lvl 4 kill mission agents either decrease/increase accordingly. You'll still have decent agents, it just won't be Motsu or Irjunn.
Likewise, lowsec lvl 4s, and lvl5s need to balanced in relation to themselves, because if you weighted them by highsec activity standards, they'll be max quality just about as fast as it can get there. While I would be happier than ever to see max quality lvl5s everywhere and all the former "crap" lowsec agents at max quality, that doesn't really make it dynamic.
It depends on how much it moves in either direction. If 3 months of motsu activity drops it 1 quality point, then it willl be wholesomely irrelevant
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Dek'athor
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Posted - 2011.03.25 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Are quotes from CCP devs not enough?
It is good nettiquete to also offer a link to major or controversial game changes
Originally by: Mara Rinn
What will most likely happen is people with a brain move to better agents, dumb people just grind more to make the same ISK.
Naa, people with a brain will chain-farm bounty-rich missions (followed up by looting/salvaging after exhausting the daily missions), taking advantage of a cluster of close-up L4 agents (irrespective of the quality). The rest will loose time chasing agents all over high-sec (and even this won't happen if their faction standing is too low), or worse, going to lowsec to phaten carepiwates.
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Shirley Serious
Amarr The Khanid Sisters of Athra
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Posted - 2011.03.25 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
I updated the OP to include some new observations from this thread: - Shirley Serious points out that this may put a cap on the number of FW mission agents. -Liang
I was meaning more that, there's only X number of FW agents for e.g. the Amarr. People wanting to do FW missions for the Amarr have to use those agents, so the quality will go down a bit, less payouts for the same risk. If payouts drop far enough, people go "meh" and go back to the normal missions, reducing the number of players in the FW areas, and as a consequence, reducing the amount of potential pvp interactions in the FW areas.
but then again :lolFW:
Would still be interesting to see what would happen.
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LordSpock
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Posted - 2011.03.25 12:48:00 -
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In some way it is good that people start grindign/chaining missions. This means that the missiosn won't be completed and thus the EQ of the agents won't decrease. So I think in the end there will be some averaged/levelled set of agents due to not having people turn in their missions. When they realize the agents quality went up enough to get better profits, they will turn in their mission and take new ones. Up until the point that the quality becomes to bad to actually turn in the mission.
Question will be what this averaged quality will be.
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Dek'athor
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Posted - 2011.03.25 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Dek''athor on 25/03/2011 13:04:24
Originally by: LordSpock This means that the missiosn won't be completed and thus the EQ of the agents won't decrease.
No, they will still complete/blitz as long as the equilibrium is still favorable:
<bounty_overall_missions>+<LP_Overall_missions> > <bounty of phat mission>+<loot of phat missions>
The thing is, a serious missioner needs at least 5-6 L4 agents to make <good> use of this mission farming. It will need a good amount of SP and ship with high killing power. It will make new missioners earn less until they can unlock more agents and fittings.
Until the new missioners can unlock the agents, they need to grind the standings. Being locked to 1-2 agents and 1-2 missions/day means they WILL complete the missions for that agent/corp even if is lower payout (yaaay, I unlocked 1 L4 agent, Yaaay, I got Angel extravaganza 4, yaaay, I killed every ship except the last one... do I hand in the mission and get a new one? or so I leave it to reset and farm it tomorrow? maybe I should farm this 1 and grind next corp's L4 agents...gah, I need some Isks todayÖ...I'll do some more L4 from this agent)
This will continue to happen until they can farm a reasonable amount of L4/day with more corps. And this WILL decrease the agent quality below the equilibrium mentioned above.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
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Posted - 2011.03.25 13:01:00 -
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Now hiring Mercs to clear other mission runners out of my system.
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Qalix
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Posted - 2011.03.25 13:31:00 -
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Where, exactly, is this information coming from? |
Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.03.25 13:44:00 -
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Fan Fest -> Twitter (@BorisHotch to be exact)
Those of us who are not watching it live or what ever will have to wait to see.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.25 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 25/03/2011 13:45:38
Originally by: Qalix Where, exactly, is this information coming from?
Fanfest. Some of it may show up in the presentations published on youtube in a week or three, depending on where the camera teams have dropped inà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Dek'athor
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Posted - 2011.03.25 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Qalix Where, exactly, is this information coming from?
Originally by: Dek'athor
Quote: Dynamic Agent Quality - coming to TQ
Citation needed
Donno' But it still makes for a good discussion topic for the forum
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.25 14:01:00 -
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Its nice to see you LP *****s get nerfed hard like you deserve. I was going to make thread politely asking this quite some time ago but didn't feel like hearing the "troll" accusations. Instead I just reprocess every tag as to not contribute to the problem.
CCP is really stepping up.
One thing you didn't mention is that it will bump up the already ****ty and in hisec agents. No more q19 and q-19 agents on the same station.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.25 14:12:00 -
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The reason lowsec is unpopulated is not due to lack of rewards. Current l5s are by far the best rewarding activity in Eve, more so than 100+m isk per hour sov null sanctum chaining in carriers. Carebears fail lowsec missions often enough that they soon lose agent access. Due to this physical (not psychological) barrier, few people will mission in low outside of FW, regardless of rewards.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.25 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones I was going to make thread politely asking this quite some time ago but didn't feel like hearing the "troll" accusations.
People have only been asking for it for ages, you knowà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
sabre906
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Posted - 2011.03.25 14:25:00 -
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This is exactly the wrong thing to do. It steers player behavior away from blitzing for LP and towards farming bounty. More bounty isk faucet, less LP trade-in isk sink. The Eve economy will feel this one for some time. Whatever's in your wallet will be worth less.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.25 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones Its nice to see you LP *****s get nerfed hard like you deserve.
This will be a bit of a buff for the min-max lp *****s since non-combat agents will go up in quality.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.25 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Cipher Jones Its nice to see you LP *****s get nerfed hard like you deserve.
This will be a bit of a buff for the min-max lp *****s since non-combat agents will go up in quality.
Buff to courier bots.
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Dek'athor
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Posted - 2011.03.25 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Cipher Jones Its nice to see you LP *****s get nerfed hard like you deserve.
This will be a bit of a buff for the min-max lp *****s since non-combat agents will go up in quality.
Buff to courier bots.
Actually, no. The courier agents will go down HARD in quality. Why do you think NOW courier missions pay so little LP? the missions themselves are farmed to the bone, only with the new change, the agent quality will ALSO drop down to maximum negative value.
Courier bot revenue will get nerfed :)
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.03.25 15:39:00 -
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Soundwave just confirmed it.
also no more pot luck on mission types - go to a kill agent, get a kill mission.
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Diana Araquez
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.03.25 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hesperius Soundwave just confirmed it.
also no more pot luck on mission types - go to a kill agent, get a kill mission.
He didn't really confirm it, he said Agent Quality will be completely removed. Not sure what to make of it now.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.25 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dek'athor
Originally by: Goose99
Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Cipher Jones Its nice to see you LP *****s get nerfed hard like you deserve.
This will be a bit of a buff for the min-max lp *****s since non-combat agents will go up in quality.
Buff to courier bots.
Actually, no. The courier agents will go down HARD in quality. Why do you think NOW courier missions pay so little LP? the missions themselves are farmed to the bone, only with the new change, the agent quality will ALSO drop down to maximum negative value.
Courier bot revenue will get nerfed :)
No it won't. Bots will just spread to different agents instead of grouped together, as the number of attractive agents in relation to each other suddenly exploded.
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Dek'athor
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Posted - 2011.03.25 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99
No it won't. Bots will just spread to different agents instead of grouped together, as the number of attractive agents in relation to each other suddenly exploded.
Umm, I'm fairly certain that the capacity for courier running will grossly overtake any positive agent balancing rather quick (i.e.: today the agent gets +1 quality, tomorow 50 courier runners farm it for a day or 2, he drops back down). Overall the quality "pool" of the courier agents will drop.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.25 16:00:00 -
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Righto, just saw the Dev guy on EVE-TV hinting at the future stuff.
And yeah, they¦re gona abolish quality. He didn¦t specify what they¦re gona replace it with though, so I don¦t have more specific info on this.
The OTHER whopper though is they¦re gona abolish these annoying divisions and their probability for kill/haul/etc. missions. In the future you¦ll be able to run for the kill mission ONLY agents, or the courier mission guys, etc.
At first I was giantly pi$$ed off at this stealth nerf, but change is good I guess. I just hope the high-sec runners will see it too, especially when they see their income dwindle and have to search for another "unused" agent.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.25 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: Goose99 on 25/03/2011 16:10:27
Originally by: Dek'athor
Originally by: Goose99
No it won't. Bots will just spread to different agents instead of grouped together, as the number of attractive agents in relation to each other suddenly exploded.
Umm, I'm fairly certain that the capacity for courier running will grossly overtake any positive agent balancing rather quick (i.e.: today the agent gets +1 quality, tomorow 50 courier runners farm it for a day or 2, he drops back down). Overall the quality "pool" of the courier agents will drop.
50 bots don't farm one agent for one day, and move the next. They farm 50 agents, one each, forever. There are large number of courier agents that normal missioners don't use, so there's no competition from massive number of live missioners at all. Thus, those agents get quality boost. The ones that are low quality before and avoided by bots are now high quality.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.03.25 16:12:00 -
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So all high sec lvl 4s will now become equally bad?
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.25 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mr LaForge So all high sec lvl 4s will now become equally bad?
The navy and common corp ones will be, thus, huge nerf to noobs. Obscure corps who don't get ran much atm won't suffer as much.
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