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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:10:00 -
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CCP Greyscale needs to be either moved to a place of less influence, or else fired from CCP.
It is with a heavy heart and with no pleasure that I call for this extreme measure. There are levels of incompetence and ineptitude that I can tolerate and levels which I simply cannot. I love this game and I want to protect it, and I feel that if Greyscale remains in a position of influence, then by virtue of the path he is taking it will come to a point where he has permanently and irrevocably damaged the game.
I have to take a stand now. Greyscale is a beancounter. He runs the figures and then makes judgements that affect the whole game based upon what those figures are telling him. Nothing good can ever come from such a short-sighted and limited view of Eve. It is still beyond me to understand how anyone can propose changes, the effect of which will be the precise opposite of that which his blog states is intended. How can anyone be involved with a product and yet have such a limited understanding of it? This is what tells me that Greyscale is neither qualified nor able to manage the position he is in.
While I do not want to sound overly dramatic, I believe that CCP now has a stark choice; we have reached the point where either Greyscale leaves or we will.
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Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:14:00 -
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need more ram?
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Desert Ice78
CCP Greyscale needs to be either moved to a place of less influence, or else fired from CCP.
It is with a heavy heart and with no pleasure that I call for this extreme measure. There are levels of incompetence and ineptitude that I can tolerate and levels which I simply cannot. I love this game and I want to protect it, and I feel that if Greyscale remains in a position of influence, then by virtue of the path he is taking it will come to a point where he has permanently and irrevocably damaged the game.
I have to take a stand now. Greyscale is a beancounter. He runs the figures and then makes judgements that affect the whole game based upon what those figures are telling him. Nothing good can ever come from such a short-sighted and limited view of Eve. It is still beyond me to understand how anyone can propose changes, the effect of which will be the precise opposite of that which his blog states is intended. How can anyone be involved with a product and yet have such a limited understanding of it? This is what tells me that Greyscale is neither qualified nor able to manage the position he is in.
While I do not want to sound overly dramatic, I believe that CCP now has a stark choice; we have reached the point where either Greyscale leaves or I will.
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Ordais
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:16:00 -
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Whats this, random whine or something specific your ranting about?
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:19:00 -
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Torfi just talked about drugs in Incarna.
We don't need those already. We already have Sanctums, with all heavy dependency symptoms.
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LogixCraft
Gallente
Death by Crayon
Cascade Associates
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: LogixCraft on 26/03/2011 17:21:31
/forum whine index increased
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ordais
Whats this, random whine or something specific your ranting about?
Ordais, you need to read this: Greyscale's fail idea on how to improve Nul-sec; for everyone mind you.....
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Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:32:00 -
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His decision is horrid. I wonder who else in the team supported it, and decided that Greyscale was going to put his name on it. Anyone on on the team could have killed it at any time.
So who all on the team was a part in it? Does that matter?
EVE is pretty much becoming a "put your $$$-to-play-actively" game now anyway. In fact if you don't want to grind yet want to be in on the most important events in this game, you either spend a lot of hours at the keyboard ...or you pay money to skip the grinds.
Now, this is a new realm. This affects people who were established or trying to make it, maybe not RiCh and in charge, or maybe so. The whole thing is half-baked. This decision, either you make that decision in conjunction with a lot of other hardcore decisions, or just don't do it.
Or, make a clean/new server that does not accept money-for-PLEX, or ISK transfers from existing characters. bam. done. Trust me, THAT server/servers would be off the chain.
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Meeogi
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:43:00 -
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CCP will never accomplish its stated goals...because humans don't play like that.
People will clump together always into two massive groups. This goes for politics and wars. Allies, axis.....democrat, republican, labor, torrey.
It's the way of things. I'm all for shaking things up........but you will always end up with two massive opposing sides....then one will either be conquered or collapse...then the cycle repeats. Eve has gone through a few of these revolutions already. what was the first major war ..bob and acf?
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:46:00 -
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I actually see this as a good thing.
Imagine all the back stabbing that will happen when this goes live, it makes me wanna fap.
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Milla Jovobitch
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78
I believe that CCP now has a stark choice; we have reached the point where either Greyscale leaves or we will.
You and your friends, don't slam the door on your way out.
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Feligast
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Noob
Or, make a clean/new server that does not accept money-for-PLEX, or ISK transfers from existing characters. bam. done. Trust me, THAT server/servers would be EMPTY.
FTFY
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:50:00 -
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Your stuff, can I has?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Milla Jovo*****
Originally by: Desert Ice78
I believe that CCP now has a stark choice; we have reached the point where either Greyscale leaves or we will.
You and your friends, don't slam the door on your way out.
He chose the wrong/correct alliance to join before making that threat. 
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:55:00 -
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1. Stop posting
2. Become a better EVE pilot
3. Take better truesec space
4. Continue farming Sanctums
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Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Desert Ice78
we have reached the point where either Greyscale leaves or we will.
The nullbears leave eve?
I don't have a problem with this. Carry on.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:57:00 -
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U matt?
Vote Sokratesz for CSM-6! |
El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:01:00 -
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I don't agree with firing him, also he's part of a team, and the voice of the team.
Thus he is not entirely to blame for what was posted, sad that a team came up with it though.
Certainly he needs to rethink it.
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Sensaia
The Wyld Hunt
The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:20:00 -
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EVE is REAL
ergo rethink this, or fire that whole team that brought this up.
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Certainly he needs to rethink it.
Yes. This nugget is proof of how deluded these high-sec GMs really are...
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Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
So by effectively reducing the number of systems where upgrades yield usable results, you hope there will be more room for "upstarts." I am sure an established alliance will gladly yield their < -0.0 truesec systems to Captain Random Thunderpants and his band of delightfully fresh players. 
By now, I am hoping the entire dev blog is a troll. It seems so full of erroneous conclusions that it must be. Either that, or the team behind really do not have a clue why people do what they do in EVE and what is really wrong with anomalies.
Hopefully someone will buy them a beer tonight and explain it to them in words they can understand.
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Akasa Dwarf
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:31:00 -
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its a bad idea!
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Pres Obama
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:32:00 -
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Get ****ed ccp.
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Rakamy
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:53:00 -
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So you want to fire some one because he wants to rebalanced (because basically this is what this is all about inset it) the game LOL....some of you guys make me laugh
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Ceyna Lakise
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:03:00 -
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The carebears are angry...
Making good use of system upgrades and establishing more variety to space is a good thing. And if there is a lot of strain on coalitions about good spots for resources I am all for seeing them tear these massive blue-blobs apart.
Less NAPs, less blues, more fun. Camp the good spots and kick the rest out.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rakamy
So you want to fire some one because he wants to rebalanced (because basically this is what this is all about inset it) the game LOL....some of you guys make me laugh
No, I want him fired because he is pushing for changes that he thinks will improve the amount of combat in nul-sec and create a more dynamic and evolving nul-sec (ergo improved the experience of nul-sec for those that live there) but will in actual fact turn nul-sec back into a pre-domination wasteland, will concentrate all the wealth even more into the hands of the limited power-bloc's making them even more entrenched in their part of space, and will decimate nul-sec warfare as there will be no reason to fight for the worthless space and nothing with which to fight it with.
I want him fired because he is incompetent in that he cannot see or understand that his changes will destroy nul-sec again rather then improve it.
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Jelek Coro
Erase Rewind
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:10:00 -
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So, the changes effectively role things back to pre Dominion?
Good.
Only a problem for people who rent... otherwise, tool up and take a nice spot.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:21:00 -
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???
I read the devblog, I am a (sort of) carebear, and I don't see the problem. Maybe if you stopped whining and explained the reasons why you think that is a bad decision (so bad that it requires to demote its creator) I might even have agreed with you. Maybe. As it stands now the arguments of greyscale (more strife, more drama, more strategy) seems convincing to me. He might be wrong but since you didn't bother to present your reasons I have no reason to beleive otherwise. So congratulations, your effective post has convinced me that Greyscale is right.
Anyway, the OP needs a serious attitude adjustment.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:29:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/03/2011 19:30:42
The funny thing here is that Greyscale is actually pretty good at his job. He's been responsible for a large number of PVE improvements over the years and has consistently given 110% to help ensure that the players are kept up to date. Attacking him as a "bean counter" not only does great injustice to him, but also exposes your own ignorance of reality. Bean counters are there to make sure that not only you are able to get your job done, but also everyone else. Its really very simple: without "bean counters", the total effectiveness of the system you're working on goes into the crapper.
With regards to the rage about the dev blog itself, I can only say that most of it seems to be a knee jerk reaction from the ignorant masses to an unexpected move on CCP's part. Lots of them are simply anti-nerf, but that's a silly way to be. Anti-nerf simply leads to power creep and mudflation - both of which destabilize and kill games.
There's also tons of hyperbole about how 0.0 is going to be worse than high sec. Its really simple to me: 0.0 wasn't worse than high sec before Dominion, and it wouldn't be worse afterwards either. You have to remember that the total ISK faucet in 0.0 will get smaller, and that will affect the rest of the game. With less raw ISK coming from 0.0, we'll see prices and trade based mission rewards (loot, LP, etc) go down. Then there's the somewhat muddy change to agent quality coming - which as originally described could push most high sec agent qualities quite low. Low agent qualities would make mission reward+bonus go down dramatically, and thus LP conversion begin to eat quite heavily into mission bounties. The net effect there is even lower net ISK inflow into the economy.
Its also worth noting that while certain systems (and even whole regions - notably Pure Blind, Providence, and Cloud Ring) will stop having sanctums, there's still going to be a large number of sanctums and havens out there to be run. Cailais expressed it well in that there would be an up front migratory pressure to push individual people towards places where they make better 0.0 income - notably good truesec 0.0. I'm a bit unsure as to how well his goal of shaking things up and forcing more conflict will work out in practice, but it at least runs the chance of slightly destabilizing large coalitions. Also, at least there's going to be some truly crappy 0.0 out there again. Believe it or not, that's important to the game.
And the final point is that he's reexamining the changes and it remains to be seen what the final changes are going to be. But given the fact the players of a game typically have a myopia, and Greyscale's fantastic track record in the past... I'm pretty confident he'll make the right decision. Also: I'm fairly sure he does play the game.
-Liang
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Galen Kane
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:37:00 -
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This is EvE.
Hardden the Fu*k up.
Yeah I do have a Bob Alt
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Space Wanderer
???
I read the devblog, I am a (sort of) carebear, and I don't see the problem. Maybe if you stopped whining and explained the reasons why you think that is a bad decision (so bad that it requires to demote its creator) I might even have agreed with you. Maybe. As it stands now the arguments of greyscale (more strife, more drama, more strategy) seems convincing to me. He might be wrong but since you didn't bother to present your reasons I have no reason to beleive otherwise. So congratulations, your effective post has convinced me that Greyscale is right.
Anyway, the OP needs a serious attitude adjustment.
The reasons are that he is proposing changes, the results of which will be the exact opposite of that which he states are his intentions. THAT is the problem. If you, like Greyscale, are having trouble understanding this, you need to look through this thread, and this thread and this thread.
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