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Montevius Williams
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Posted - 2011.03.28 19:57:00 -
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The New Nebula designs are awesome.
Why does everyone try to compare EVE space to Earth space? If EVE took place near Earth, ok...but it doesnt, so I have no problem that they dont look like the Nebula we are used to seeing.
Also, we can only see so far in our own universe (observeable) so no one knows how other Nebulas look outside of what we can actually see, hell, they might just look like the Nebulas that CCP just created, they might look like what we are used to seeing, but until the light from them reaches us in another 1,000,000 or more years, we wont know. Sure you can speculate and Hypothesize based on what we can see, but at the end of the day, we dont know and will never know in our lifetime. The Universe is just too big to say "This is how all Nebulas should look".
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Barakkus
I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun.
Somone needs to go back to school or go live in middle of nowhere.
Space is not black, the sun and local light blots out most of the natural light galaxies and nebula make from thier local stars. In order to get your version of black space youd have to go out of our galactic cluster by a significan distance.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 28/03/2011 20:16:45
Originally by: Nova Fox
Originally by: Barakkus
I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun.
Somone needs to go back to school or go live in middle of nowhere.
Space is not black, the sun and local light blots out most of the natural light galaxies and nebula make from thier local stars. In order to get your version of black space youd have to go out of our galactic cluster by a significan distance.
Perhaps you have some evidence to back that up? I would be interested in seeing it, and no I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm still trying to see how space is supposed to look like you're flying through a giant cloud like is depicted in the client, wouldn't we see the backdrop of eve from pictures from the ISS or shuttle or the moon otherwise? And in that case, aren't we in the same proximity of a star when we're flying around a solar system in EVE? I still don't see how the cloud thing comes into play except for the "it's not real life so just deal with the way they want to depict it"...which I'm fine with, I'm merely stating my preference.
Originally by: Montevius Williams
The New Nebula designs are awesome.
I'm not saying they're not, I do think the new art is completely awesome.
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Logan LaMort
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Edited by: Barakkus on 28/03/2011 20:31:07
Originally by: Nova Fox
Originally by: Barakkus
I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun.
Somone needs to go back to school or go live in middle of nowhere.
Space is not black, the sun and local light blots out most of the natural light galaxies and nebula make from thier local stars. In order to get your version of black space youd have to go out of our galactic cluster by a significan distance.
Perhaps you have some evidence to back that up? I would be interested in seeing it, and no I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm still trying to see how space is supposed to look like you're flying through a giant cloud like is depicted in the client, wouldn't we see the backdrop of eve from pictures from the ISS or shuttle or the moon otherwise? And in that case, aren't we in the same proximity of a star when we're flying around a solar system in EVE? I still don't see how the cloud thing comes into play except for the "it's not real life so just deal with the way they want to depict it"...which I'm fine with, I'm merely stating my preference. I would expect to see something more like this: http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=453 or this: http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Voyager_Crosses_Point_Of_Solar_Stillness_999.html than giant clouds, but if we were outside a solar system while flying around in EVE. While it's fun and all to herpaderp and tell people they're uneducated and need to get out of hickland , you might want to think about what you're saying first.
Originally by: Montevius Williams
The New Nebula designs are awesome.
I'm not saying they're not, I do think the new art is completely awesome.
I'm not an astronomer, but a nebula is a HUGE interstellar cloud of dust and various gases, which form stars and other celestial objects such as planets. I don't think it's too far fetched that we would have these as backdrops in EVE, I mean that's what a galaxy is made of after all.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2011.03.28 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Perhaps you have some evidence to back that up? I would be interested in seeing it, and no I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm still trying to see how space is supposed to look like you're flying through a giant cloud like is depicted in the client, wouldn't we see the backdrop of eve from pictures from the ISS or shuttle or the moon otherwise?
Yes, if they were closer.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.28 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Logan LaMort
An example of emission nebulae which looks a lot like what CCP are going for.
Yeah, I'm sure that's what they're aiming for, but keep in mind that's also got some artistic interpretation to it. That's part of a giant nebula that hubble got images of and was colored up a bit.
I do understand why they did the backgrounds the way they did, I would just prefer a little less busy of an atmosphere. I completely understand the why behind their art choice though for the backdrops, and I am looking forward to the upgraded visuals...I just wish there was "less" of it to give a bigger, emptier feel to space...
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IoWalker
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:16:00 -
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Space from the human eye would indeed look blacker and austere than we would believe from NASA photos. What you see in the Hubble photos and other satellite platforms that have captured our imaginations are color-added according to radiation, chemical composition, or temperature. You could probably in some cases actually get a lighted color example of a planet or nebula if in very momentary position with that and a proximate sun. But most of the time it is going to be black as night.
However, this is not the say that the visual interface that pod pilots use would not do the exact same NASA color techniques as we navigate. There's no reason not to, so personally I don't see the way the game shows us space is necessarily unrealistic.
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Cailais
Amarr
Neo-Tech Solutions
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:37:00 -
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PI was mooted around 2008 and appeared in 2010 I think it was. So that's around 2 years, unless you count the 'planetary flight' vision of EVE that goes back to '06 I think. If you use that as a marker its around 4 years. Incarna WiS was suggested around about the same time frame but again wont quite be as imagined / proposed.
I think a good approximation would be to see some, but perhaps not all, systems with new nebulae in 2013 or late 2014.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:40:00 -
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It's not about realism. It is kinda weird that in a spaceship game, stars are considered irrelevant and space-clouds are king. With a straight visual style, it would communicate a lot more of the EVE harshness if it was a bit more austere, rather than the warm fuzzy soup blanket. But I'd prefer to have a checkbox to shut them off altogether for the improved client-side performance. :P
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IoWalker
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:43:00 -
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Boy I tell you what, I would be all about a slight boost in performance, if the space wallpaper contributed even minimally to performance. Could a coding moderator speak on that possibly being even a minor or circumstantial issue?
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:21:00 -
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Hopefully they don't end up too bright like much of what we have now. The ability to dim them or turn them off would be nice too.
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Mel Lifera
Gallente
Ambrye Logistics Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:32:00 -
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The nebulae as they exist now, are quite beautiful and well done. When I was a noob I loved staring at them. Two problems. Well, actually just one, with two implications:
1) Nebulae are huge. The art has this part right - take a good study of one in whatever system you're in and it LOOKS huge, with closer-looking portions and deep, dark, distant corners. That's neat.
1a) Because of this, it makes no sense for any two stars that are relatively close to each other (as indicated by the map) to have completely different nebulae as backgrounds. But this is the way it is, in many places;
1b) There are lots of nebulae in space, but they aren't everywhere. There actually IS some just-plain black space out there, or at the very least, space where different nebulae are visible but take up a very small visual area. Perhaps systems like this can serve as buffers between the nebula-intense star systems.
Other suggestions:
2) As someone else stated, it would be nice if huger-than-huge elements detailed on the map, like the Black Rise and the Cord of the Elements and the Pool of Radiance could be visually identified in the regions they're supposed to be visible in/from. Unlike the person suggested, I don't expect to be able to warp right up to the "Point of No Return" black hole, for instance, and select it as a celestial object; but (like the EVE Gate) I should be able to see it. Large objects like the Cord and the Black Rise would logically be visible from many systems surrounding them.
3) The above notwithstanding, it is a shame that black holes, Wolf-Rayet stars, pulsars, etc are confined strictly to w-space. Such stars are common in the universe - a sprinkling here and there throughout New Eden would be nice.
4) Where are all the comets? They could function similar to asteroid belts, to be mined for ice and perhaps gases.
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:32:00 -
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A, Gameplay enjoyment trumps realism in most cases, except where realism is the fundation of said enjoyment
B, There is no reason at all for pod, that, let me remind you, generate sound to make space feel like less empty, to color the greyscale data of nebulae a distinct color.
Coloring them fabulous purple would not change a bit:)
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IoWalker
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: M'ktakh
A, Gameplay enjoyment trumps realism in most cases, except where realism is the fundation of said enjoyment
B, There is no reason at all for pod, that, let me remind you, generate sound to make space feel like less empty, to color the greyscale data of nebulae a distinct color.
Coloring them fabulous purple would not change a bit:)
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Rogue Drone Systems
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Posted - 2011.03.29 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 29/03/2011 02:02:44
I demand user-definable space backgrounds. animated_boob.gif here I come!
edit: Also, what would be nice, is if you had gas structures and really Star Treky sci-fi-movie type nebula types. I want to see a fleet of Abaddons burst out of a wall of loosely defined stellar dust and ambush some filthy pirates, completely invisible until that moment because the dust mucks with sensors. I want to see igniting gas pockets to blow up anyone inside. I want these features everywhere, not just scattered things in one or two systems.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.03.29 03:35:00 -
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Eve needs more black space not because it's realistic, but because it looks good.
It's also good because it doesn't melt your eyes and lets you see the gui.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.29 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Razin
Eve needs more black space not because it's realistic, but because it looks good.
It's also good because it doesn't melt your eyes and lets you see the gui.
Well. I gotta say, that lighting is sweet.
I do prefer the harsher direct lighting. Some of the current nebulae graphics are so freakishly bright that you can barely tell the difference between parts that are directly lit and parts that are just reflecting the background.
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the plague
Anthraxus Defense Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.03.29 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: the plague on 29/03/2011 06:06:26
Originally by: Logan LaMort
I'm not an astronomer, but a nebula is a HUGE interstellar cloud of dust and various gases, which form stars and other celestial objects such as planets. I don't think it's too far fetched that we would have these as backdrops in EVE, I mean that's what a galaxy is made of after all.
It's entirely reasonable. Here are some nebulae shots taken by Robert Gendler from his driveway using amateur astronomy equipment. They speak for themselves.
http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/Einstein.html
Just look at this stunning image of M16, The Eage Nebula, and then tell me space is empty.
http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/M16-BYU.html
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Logan LaMort
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Posted - 2011.03.29 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: the plague
Edited by: the plague on 29/03/2011 06:15:20
Originally by: Logan LaMort
I'm not an astronomer, but a nebula is a HUGE interstellar cloud of dust and various gases, which form stars and other celestial objects such as planets. I don't think it's too far fetched that we would have these as backdrops in EVE, I mean that's what a galaxy is made of after all.
It's entirely reasonable. Here are some nebulae shots taken by Robert Gendler from his driveway using amateur astronomy equipment. They speak for themselves.
http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/Einstein.html
Just look at this stunning image of M16, The Eagle Nebula, and then tell me space is empty.
http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/M16-BYU.html
Originally by: Barrakus
Yeah, I'm sure that's what they're aiming for, but keep in mind that's also got some artistic interpretation to it. That's part of a giant nebula that hubble got images of and was colored up a bit.
I've been an amateur astronomer for years and I can tell you there is no need to "color up" astrophotography shots. These objects are so distant that it's necessary to take long exposures and then stack the exposures in layers to bring out the colors. But you don't airbrush them or insert anything that isn't there. Those are the natural colors. Of course if the Earth was a lot closer to say, M16, we would be able to view it in incredible detail and it would dominate the sky.
Those are some freaky nice pictures... I love space 
That's why I quoted that wiki articles section, about diffuse nebulae, becuse it seemed to describe the emission type of nebula as being in a colour spectrum visible to the naked eye. I think anyway.
But to be fair, we've only seen a section of screenshots of the nebulae themselves, we haven't seen a 360 view and I have a feeling since these skyboxes are now representing a 3D landscape across New Eden, there will probably be areas of just starfields.
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Zemlin
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.29 09:39:00 -
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I'm calling it first "NERD FIGHT! "
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Rebecca Aventine
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:12:00 -
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Any time you see a picture of a nebula or galaxy, remember it's exposure time was measured not in fractions of a second, but in fractions of an hour. To the naked eye these objects are extremely dim. A good example is the Andromeda Galaxy. It appears six times larger than our moon in the sky, but only someone with good eyesight, on an exceptionally clear night will see anything more than a blurry dim blob, which is Andromeda's central bulge.
Additionally images of these objects are either taken using colour sensitive film or are false colour composites of specfic wave lengths. To the naked eye, the low illuminance of these objects means they appear de-saturated to point of being grey.
Anyway don't get me started on how zooming in on the starfield reveals stars having visible disks, rather than remaining points.
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 29/03/2011 12:20:06
On a dark night... with no moon... standing atop a remote mountain... no lights to soil my view... not a cloud to stand in my way.... I gaze up into a distant night.... squinting and straining my eyes I can see the milky way... kind of.
What is up with Eve's galaxy? Somebody been puking out nebulae all over the place after a delicious meal of Crayola crayons and flourescent sharpies?
Tick box please!!!
Space as CCP say it should look[] (Ridiculous nebulae everywhere)
Space as you say it should look[] (Uses 'star field' bitmaps instead of Crayola Nebulae)
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 29/03/2011 12:24:06
Originally by: Logan LaMort
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EDIT: Also you also have to remember we see EVE (Fiction wise) is through a camera drone, so either way we're seeing real life nebulae and in game nebulae through a lens.
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in which case, i'd love to be able to limit data input to visible light only. consider it filtering noise out of the image.
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Liorah
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Posted - 2011.03.29 13:46:00 -
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"This is awesome artwork!"
"Yeah, I know, right?!"
"We need to put this in the game ASAP!"
"Yes sir!"
"In fact, it's so awesome, we need to put it everywhere so everyone can see it!"
"Good idea! The more of this nebula stuff we put in all over the place, the more that 'Awesome' can be seen everywhere. That will make the whole game more awesome!"
"You read my mind!"
Making something awesome is, well, awesome. Putting it in random locations to show it off is awesome. Smothering the game with "awesome" just makes it boring.
All things with discretion and moderation.
Space may have little fart-clouds like what we see in deadspaces, but they would tend to dissipate due to their size. The truly beautiful and massive clouds would dwarf solar systems by comparison.
My vote is for fewer eyestrain-inducing fart-clouds in deadspaces and actual nebulae between/encompassing systems that we can warp to and visit.
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Seul Manus
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:04:00 -
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I wonder if we'll be able to fly into the nebulars, so they become 3D instead of a static 2D backdrop 
If so they could be somewhere to hide safe from scans due to the nature of their content to add some extra elemts to game play.
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Drummond
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:06:00 -
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Not exactly apropos to the subject of Nebulas.. but I'd love to see the Warpgates positioned so that they actually pointed in the direction of the receiving Warpgate/System. It would be cool if our ships orientated and shot towards the spot where our destination is supposed to lie.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: the plague
I've been an amateur astronomer for years and I can tell you there is no need to "color up" astrophotography shots.
Then explain why they do it.
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Logan LaMort
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:33:00 -
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Am I the only one excited that, for the first time in EVE all the skys will share the same spacescape. I mean sure, there's these different nebulae for different regions but these are all part of a 3D space they've created for New Eden.
We're still going to be in cubicles (Solar systems) but for once these cubicles will feel like they all exist inside the same building, that when we jump from one to another it will feel like we've travelled, because we can look back in the distance and see how far we travelled.
If CCP wanted to, with this 3D space, they could actually place the EVE gate at the New Eden system and it would be visible from Amarr Prime (and other systems), just like the fiction. If we travelled through Genesis towards New Eden we would see the EVE gate burning brighter and bigger after each jump.
I don't know about anyone else, but that strikes me as awesome 
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Logan LaMort
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If CCP wanted to, with this 3D space, they could actually place the EVE gate at the New Eden system and it would be visible from Amarr Prime (and other systems), just like the fiction. If we travelled through Genesis towards New Eden we would see the EVE gate burning brighter and bigger after each jump.
I don't know about anyone else, but that strikes me as awesome
it's awesome once or twice, or even third time, and, of course, when taking artistic screenshots, but in combat, i prefer to have background that doesn't interfere with tactical decisions.
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Awateru
Caldari Reclaimation Front
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mel Lifera
...Where are all the comets? They could function similar to asteroid belts, to be mined for ice and perhaps gases.
Comets should be moving items that you can harvest from, but you'd better sacrifice some mining ability for enough speed to keep up with them...
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