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Bill Banner	Posted - 2011.03.28 13:05:00 - [1] Segmenting each region into visually distinguishable areas will go a long way toward making travel feel less disjointed. Is there any additional information on when this will be implemented?
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.03.28 13:06:00 - [2] Originally by: Bill Banner Segmenting each region into visually distinguishable areas will go a long way toward making travel feel less disjointed. Is there any additional information on when this will be implemented? Anywhere from 2 months to 4 years. I wouldn't hold your breathe for it being soon.
Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.28 13:40:00 - [3] Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Originally by: Bill Banner Segmenting each region into visually distinguishable areas will go a long way toward making travel feel less disjointed. Is there any additional information on when this will be implemented? Anywhere from 2 months to 4 years. I wouldn't hold your breathe for it being soon. given ccp's past history this is a pretty solid estimate __
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.28 13:42:00 - [4] Originally by: Soma Khan Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Originally by: Bill Banner Segmenting each region into visually distinguishable areas will go a long way toward making travel feel less disjointed.Is there any additional information on when this will be implemented? Anywhere from 2 months to 4 years. I wouldn't hold your breathe for it being soon. given ccp's past history this is a pretty solid estimate CCP Hammer promised me something like this would be coming when I talked to him at FF2008à so we can probably cut that down to 2 months to 2 years. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2011.03.28 14:21:00 - [5] I do hope they find other interesting backdrops and effects of different regions than just the blur nebula in the background. Also Known As
Nikita Alterana Risen Angels	Posted - 2011.03.28 14:35:00 - [6] something I hope is that the space landmarks you can read about on your map, like Cord of the Elements, the Konora black hole, Black Rise, and the Vapour Sea, can actually be seen and are actually objects Nikita's Graphic Arts Studio
Chandaris Gallente Lethal Devotion	Posted - 2011.03.28 15:19:00 - [7] 18 months (tm)
RaTTuS BIG Gentlemen's Agreement	Posted - 2011.03.28 15:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Chandaris 18 months (tm) this is so old ... like 18months.... -- Join BIG
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.28 15:22:00 - [9] I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.03.28 15:48:00 - [10] Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. I feel the same, but as the above posters said, Soon (tm).
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2011.03.28 16:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. It's perfectly ok to have an opinion. Just as long as you realize that it's wrong. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.28 16:51:00 - [12] Originally by: WarlockX Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. It's perfectly ok to have an opinion. Just as long as you realize that it's wrong. Having an opinion is fine, deciding what is "right" or "wrong" isn't your job tbh. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Fimble	Posted - 2011.03.28 17:04:00 - [13] Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space.
Kylira Ulfrinn Blackstaff Logistics	Posted - 2011.03.28 17:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. You mean make space look the way space looks from earth?
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.03.28 17:28:00 - [15] Edited by: Joe Skellington on 28/03/2011 17:29:37 Originally by: Kylira Ulfrinn Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. You mean make space look the way space looks from earth? Not all star systems are in disco nebulas, it's like I'm traveling in the atmosphere over a planet most of the time. I try to position my ship view to be in the black starfields so I don't feel like I'm flying through clouds. Me personaly, I liked to feel like I'm actually in outer space, not in a bowl of milky discharge.
mechtech SRS Industries SRS.	Posted - 2011.03.28 17:32:00 - [16] That was one of the highlights of the keynote to me. The new nebulae are made by a movie post production company, and will actually move in position, and hopefully scale, as you move around the universe. That's pretty awesome. I expect to see them in the release after captain's quarters.
Telecom Tina	Posted - 2011.03.28 17:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Joe Skellington Me personaly, I liked to feel like I'm actually in outer space, not in a bowl of milky discharge. If Eve were actually in space, we would need thrusters on the sides and noses of our ship for turning/deceleration. It's pretty obvious to me that our ships are actually submarines in a pool of stellar goo. Milky discharge pretty much hits it right on the nose.
K'uata Sayus	Posted - 2011.03.28 18:00:00 - [18] Edited by: K''uata Sayus on 28/03/2011 18:00:35 Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. The nebulae provide a degree of ambient light. Otherwise, we would all be wasting high slots by having to install headlights. Asteroid belts would be a nightmare to navigate without a large bank of halogens letting you see what's around you. Being totally realistic would involve an Eve that looks much different and be a heckuva lot darker than what we have now. EVERYONE SEEMS NORMAL UNTIL YOU GET TO KNOW THEM.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.03.28 18:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. You can see the milky way with the naked eye if you move to the middle of the south pacific.
mkmin	Posted - 2011.03.28 18:14:00 - [20] CCP is contracting it out. This means: 1) CCP's not doing the nebulae, someone else is and thus: it'll be done in a week instead of the decade it would take CCP to do it. 2) CCP's paying $ out of pocket for their nebulae and thus: CCP wants it done in a week, but it'll be done in 2 weeks.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.03.28 18:34:00 - [21] Or they can move the skybox and suns of whs to where most of userbase can see them.
ivar R'dhak Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.28 18:46:00 - [22] Originally by: Nikita Alterana something I hope is that the space landmarks you can read about on your map, like Cord of the Elements, the Konora black hole, Black Rise, and the Vapour Sea, can actually be seen and are actually objects This, very much! But my inner little bittervet is pessimistic about CCP actually knowing it¦s own lore enough to give outside people instructions on what there actually is supposed to be in game. We can only hope. By now I¦m partially mollified that we WILL eventually get a better, more sensible "skybox" than this current half a decade old thing. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦
Teranul	Posted - 2011.03.28 18:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Telecom Tina Originally by: Joe Skellington Me personaly, I liked to feel like I'm actually in outer space, not in a bowl of milky discharge. If Eve were actually in space, we would need thrusters on the sides and noses of our ship for turning/deceleration. It's pretty obvious to me that our ships are actually submarines in a pool of stellar goo. Milky discharge pretty much hits it right on the nose. Note that actual physical thrusters would require enormous fuel tanks. They're not actually thrusters at all, but rather exhaust ports for all the nuclear waste and heat generated by the reactors that power a ship's "normal space" flight capability. Or, in other words, Futurama had it right: Our ships move by moving the space around them, not the other way around. Hence why our ships' top speeds are limited by their volume and mass in near-vacuum. The reason for this is, again, no giant fuel tanks or lateral/ventral thrusters required, and also an extremely tiny energy footprint (see how much your capacitor is drained going from 0->full speed? Yeah.). While a ship using fuel-based thrusters would be capable of extreme speeds, they'd also have almost no actual agility due to momentum and, again... fuel tanks. Bleh! No point to that when you have (micro)warp drives, yes? A completely fiction-related tangent, but I just felt like pointing that out. On that note, also note that actual deep space is not nearly as boring-looking as Star Wars would have you believe...
Rakrist Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Teranul note that actual deep space is not nearly as boring-looking as Star Wars would have you believe[/url]... Those kinds of images are coloured artificially to make sure the layman feels good about all the money NASA spends to get them.
Teranul	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:08:00 - [25] Edited by: Teranul on 28/03/2011 19:08:19 Originally by: Rakrist Those kinds of images are coloured artificially to make sure the layman feels good about all the money NASA spends to get them. Fine. Have a picture of the night sky with no light pollution.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:14:00 - [26] Originally by: Teranul On that note, also note that actual deep space is not nearly as boring-looking as Star Wars would have you believe[/url]... Hmm, I'm having trouble finding pictures from the international space station or space shuttle that looks anything as busy as what the client looks like...not everything looks like it's in a nebula as the client depicts.... http://www.hubblesite.org/gallery/album/the_universe/ It would be a little more realistic to see more stars and less nebula effect... A lot of those colors in nebula photos are interpretations of what they are actually getting from the space telescopes... http://www.hubblesite.org/newscenter/press_resources/skytel200209028034.pdf - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Teranul	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:21:00 - [27] It would certainly be nice to have a far greater number of stars, yes. The current star fields are obviously from an era where texture resolution was still a concern; in this day and age, 2048x2048 star fields are certainly not out of the question.
Kuronaga Kantian Principle	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:36:00 - [28] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: WarlockX Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. It's perfectly ok to have an opinion. Just as long as you realize that it's wrong. Having an opinion is fine, deciding what is "right" or "wrong" isn't your job tbh. Yea it's my job. Also, you're wrong.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Kuronaga Yea it's my job. Also, you're wrong. Glad you're so kind to explain your position. You're a fountain of knowledge and all should bow down to your superior intellect... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Kuronaga Kantian Principle	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Kuronaga Yea it's my job. Also, you're wrong. Glad you're so kind to explain your position. You're a fountain of knowledge and all should bow down to your superior intellect... This statement is considered correct.
Montevius Williams	Posted - 2011.03.28 19:57:00 - [31] The New Nebula designs are awesome. Why does everyone try to compare EVE space to Earth space? If EVE took place near Earth, ok...but it doesnt, so I have no problem that they dont look like the Nebula we are used to seeing. Also, we can only see so far in our own universe (observeable) so no one knows how other Nebulas look outside of what we can actually see, hell, they might just look like the Nebulas that CCP just created, they might look like what we are used to seeing, but until the light from them reaches us in another 1,000,000 or more years, we wont know. Sure you can speculate and Hypothesize based on what we can see, but at the end of the day, we dont know and will never know in our lifetime. The Universe is just too big to say "This is how all Nebulas should look".
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.03.28 20:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. Somone needs to go back to school or go live in middle of nowhere. Space is not black, the sun and local light blots out most of the natural light galaxies and nebula make from thier local stars. In order to get your version of black space youd have to go out of our galactic cluster by a significan distance. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 25FEB11
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.28 20:10:00 - [33] Edited by: Barakkus on 28/03/2011 20:16:45 Originally by: Nova Fox Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. Somone needs to go back to school or go live in middle of nowhere. Space is not black, the sun and local light blots out most of the natural light galaxies and nebula make from thier local stars. In order to get your version of black space youd have to go out of our galactic cluster by a significan distance. Perhaps you have some evidence to back that up? I would be interested in seeing it, and no I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm still trying to see how space is supposed to look like you're flying through a giant cloud like is depicted in the client, wouldn't we see the backdrop of eve from pictures from the ISS or shuttle or the moon otherwise? And in that case, aren't we in the same proximity of a star when we're flying around a solar system in EVE? I still don't see how the cloud thing comes into play except for the "it's not real life so just deal with the way they want to depict it"...which I'm fine with, I'm merely stating my preference. Originally by: Montevius Williams The New Nebula designs are awesome. I'm not saying they're not, I do think the new art is completely awesome. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Logan LaMort	Posted - 2011.03.28 20:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 28/03/2011 20:31:07 Originally by: Nova Fox Originally by: Barakkus I think they should remove most of them (like 80% of them) all together and make space look like space. Have them in areas it makes sense to have them and the rest of space just have stars/sun. Somone needs to go back to school or go live in middle of nowhere. Space is not black, the sun and local light blots out most of the natural light galaxies and nebula make from thier local stars. In order to get your version of black space youd have to go out of our galactic cluster by a significan distance. Perhaps you have some evidence to back that up? I would be interested in seeing it, and no I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm still trying to see how space is supposed to look like you're flying through a giant cloud like is depicted in the client, wouldn't we see the backdrop of eve from pictures from the ISS or shuttle or the moon otherwise? And in that case, aren't we in the same proximity of a star when we're flying around a solar system in EVE? I still don't see how the cloud thing comes into play except for the "it's not real life so just deal with the way they want to depict it"...which I'm fine with, I'm merely stating my preference. I would expect to see something more like this: http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=453 or this: http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Voyager_Crosses_Point_Of_Solar_Stillness_999.html than giant clouds, but if we were outside a solar system while flying around in EVE. While it's fun and all to herpaderp and tell people they're uneducated and need to get out of hickland , you might want to think about what you're saying first. Originally by: Montevius Williams The New Nebula designs are awesome. I'm not saying they're not, I do think the new art is completely awesome. I'm not an astronomer, but a nebula is a HUGE interstellar cloud of dust and various gases, which form stars and other celestial objects such as planets. I don't think it's too far fetched that we would have these as backdrops in EVE, I mean that's what a galaxy is made of after all.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.03.28 20:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Barakkus Perhaps you have some evidence to back that up? I would be interested in seeing it, and no I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm still trying to see how space is supposed to look like you're flying through a giant cloud like is depicted in the client, wouldn't we see the backdrop of eve from pictures from the ISS or shuttle or the moon otherwise? Yes, if they were closer.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.28 21:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Logan LaMort An example of emission nebulae which looks a lot like what CCP are going for. Yeah, I'm sure that's what they're aiming for, but keep in mind that's also got some artistic interpretation to it. That's part of a giant nebula that hubble got images of and was colored up a bit. I do understand why they did the backgrounds the way they did, I would just prefer a little less busy of an atmosphere. I completely understand the why behind their art choice though for the backdrops, and I am looking forward to the upgraded visuals...I just wish there was "less" of it to give a bigger, emptier feel to space... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
IoWalker	Posted - 2011.03.28 22:16:00 - [37] Space from the human eye would indeed look blacker and austere than we would believe from NASA photos. What you see in the Hubble photos and other satellite platforms that have captured our imaginations are color-added according to radiation, chemical composition, or temperature. You could probably in some cases actually get a lighted color example of a planet or nebula if in very momentary position with that and a proximate sun. But most of the time it is going to be black as night. However, this is not the say that the visual interface that pod pilots use would not do the exact same NASA color techniques as we navigate. There's no reason not to, so personally I don't see the way the game shows us space is necessarily unrealistic.
Cailais Amarr Neo-Tech Solutions	Posted - 2011.03.28 22:37:00 - [38] PI was mooted around 2008 and appeared in 2010 I think it was. So that's around 2 years, unless you count the 'planetary flight' vision of EVE that goes back to '06 I think. If you use that as a marker its around 4 years. Incarna WiS was suggested around about the same time frame but again wont quite be as imagined / proposed. I think a good approximation would be to see some, but perhaps not all, systems with new nebulae in 2013 or late 2014. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
mkmin	Posted - 2011.03.28 22:40:00 - [39] It's not about realism. It is kinda weird that in a spaceship game, stars are considered irrelevant and space-clouds are king. With a straight visual style, it would communicate a lot more of the EVE harshness if it was a bit more austere, rather than the warm fuzzy soup blanket. But I'd prefer to have a checkbox to shut them off altogether for the improved client-side performance. :P
IoWalker	Posted - 2011.03.28 22:43:00 - [40] Boy I tell you what, I would be all about a slight boost in performance, if the space wallpaper contributed even minimally to performance. Could a coding moderator speak on that possibly being even a minor or circumstantial issue?
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.03.28 23:21:00 - [41] Hopefully they don't end up too bright like much of what we have now. The ability to dim them or turn them off would be nice too. The Real Space Initiative - V7
Mel Lifera Gallente Ambrye Logistics Ltd.	Posted - 2011.03.28 23:32:00 - [42] The nebulae as they exist now, are quite beautiful and well done. When I was a noob I loved staring at them. Two problems. Well, actually just one, with two implications: 1) Nebulae are huge. The art has this part right - take a good study of one in whatever system you're in and it LOOKS huge, with closer-looking portions and deep, dark, distant corners. That's neat. 1a) Because of this, it makes no sense for any two stars that are relatively close to each other (as indicated by the map) to have completely different nebulae as backgrounds. But this is the way it is, in many places; 1b) There are lots of nebulae in space, but they aren't everywhere. There actually IS some just-plain black space out there, or at the very least, space where different nebulae are visible but take up a very small visual area. Perhaps systems like this can serve as buffers between the nebula-intense star systems. Other suggestions: 2) As someone else stated, it would be nice if huger-than-huge elements detailed on the map, like the Black Rise and the Cord of the Elements and the Pool of Radiance could be visually identified in the regions they're supposed to be visible in/from. Unlike the person suggested, I don't expect to be able to warp right up to the "Point of No Return" black hole, for instance, and select it as a celestial object; but (like the EVE Gate) I should be able to see it. Large objects like the Cord and the Black Rise would logically be visible from many systems surrounding them. 3) The above notwithstanding, it is a shame that black holes, Wolf-Rayet stars, pulsars, etc are confined strictly to w-space. Such stars are common in the universe - a sprinkling here and there throughout New Eden would be nice. 4) Where are all the comets? They could function similar to asteroid belts, to be mined for ice and perhaps gases.
M'ktakh	Posted - 2011.03.28 23:32:00 - [43] A, Gameplay enjoyment trumps realism in most cases, except where realism is the fundation of said enjoyment B, There is no reason at all for pod, that, let me remind you, generate sound to make space feel like less empty, to color the greyscale data of nebulae a distinct color. Coloring them fabulous purple would not change a bit:)
IoWalker	Posted - 2011.03.28 23:38:00 - [44] Originally by: M'ktakh A, Gameplay enjoyment trumps realism in most cases, except where realism is the fundation of said enjoyment B, There is no reason at all for pod, that, let me remind you, generate sound to make space feel like less empty, to color the greyscale data of nebulae a distinct color. Coloring them fabulous purple would not change a bit:) Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan would like to take you into the backroom quietly...
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Rogue Drone Systems	Posted - 2011.03.29 02:00:00 - [45] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 29/03/2011 02:02:44 I demand user-definable space backgrounds. animated_boob.gif here I come! edit: Also, what would be nice, is if you had gas structures and really Star Treky sci-fi-movie type nebula types. I want to see a fleet of Abaddons burst out of a wall of loosely defined stellar dust and ambush some filthy pirates, completely invisible until that moment because the dust mucks with sensors. I want to see igniting gas pockets to blow up anyone inside. I want these features everywhere, not just scattered things in one or two systems.
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.03.29 03:35:00 - [46] Eve needs more black space not because it's realistic, but because it looks good. It's also good because it doesn't melt your eyes and lets you see the gui. ...
Teranul	Posted - 2011.03.29 04:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Razin Eve needs more black space not because it's realistic, but because it looks good. It's also good because it doesn't melt your eyes and lets you see the gui. Well. I gotta say, that lighting is sweet. I do prefer the harsher direct lighting. Some of the current nebulae graphics are so freakishly bright that you can barely tell the difference between parts that are directly lit and parts that are just reflecting the background.
the plague Anthraxus Defense Laboratories	Posted - 2011.03.29 06:00:00 - [48] Edited by: the plague on 29/03/2011 06:06:26 Originally by: Logan LaMort I'm not an astronomer, but a nebula is a HUGE interstellar cloud of dust and various gases, which form stars and other celestial objects such as planets. I don't think it's too far fetched that we would have these as backdrops in EVE, I mean that's what a galaxy is made of after all. It's entirely reasonable. Here are some nebulae shots taken by Robert Gendler from his driveway using amateur astronomy equipment. They speak for themselves. http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/Einstein.html Just look at this stunning image of M16, The Eage Nebula, and then tell me space is empty. http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/M16-BYU.html
Logan LaMort	Posted - 2011.03.29 07:38:00 - [49] Originally by: the plague Edited by: the plague on 29/03/2011 06:15:20 Originally by: Logan LaMort I'm not an astronomer, but a nebula is a HUGE interstellar cloud of dust and various gases, which form stars and other celestial objects such as planets. I don't think it's too far fetched that we would have these as backdrops in EVE, I mean that's what a galaxy is made of after all. It's entirely reasonable. Here are some nebulae shots taken by Robert Gendler from his driveway using amateur astronomy equipment. They speak for themselves. http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/Einstein.html Just look at this stunning image of M16, The Eagle Nebula, and then tell me space is empty. http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/M16-BYU.html Originally by: Barrakus Yeah, I'm sure that's what they're aiming for, but keep in mind that's also got some artistic interpretation to it. That's part of a giant nebula that hubble got images of and was colored up a bit. I've been an amateur astronomer for years and I can tell you there is no need to "color up" astrophotography shots. These objects are so distant that it's necessary to take long exposures and then stack the exposures in layers to bring out the colors. But you don't airbrush them or insert anything that isn't there. Those are the natural colors. Of course if the Earth was a lot closer to say, M16, we would be able to view it in incredible detail and it would dominate the sky. Those are some freaky nice pictures... I love space That's why I quoted that wiki articles section, about diffuse nebulae, becuse it seemed to describe the emission type of nebula as being in a colour spectrum visible to the naked eye. I think anyway. But to be fair, we've only seen a section of screenshots of the nebulae themselves, we haven't seen a 360 view and I have a feeling since these skyboxes are now representing a 3D landscape across New Eden, there will probably be areas of just starfields.
Zemlin The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.29 09:39:00 - [50] I'm calling it first "NERD FIGHT!"
Rebecca Aventine	Posted - 2011.03.29 12:12:00 - [51] Any time you see a picture of a nebula or galaxy, remember it's exposure time was measured not in fractions of a second, but in fractions of an hour. To the naked eye these objects are extremely dim. A good example is the Andromeda Galaxy. It appears six times larger than our moon in the sky, but only someone with good eyesight, on an exceptionally clear night will see anything more than a blurry dim blob, which is Andromeda's central bulge. Additionally images of these objects are either taken using colour sensitive film or are false colour composites of specfic wave lengths. To the naked eye, the low illuminance of these objects means they appear de-saturated to point of being grey. Anyway don't get me started on how zooming in on the starfield reveals stars having visible disks, rather than remaining points.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.03.29 12:20:00 - [52] Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 29/03/2011 12:20:06 On a dark night... with no moon... standing atop a remote mountain... no lights to soil my view... not a cloud to stand in my way.... I gaze up into a distant night.... squinting and straining my eyes I can see the milky way... kind of. What is up with Eve's galaxy? Somebody been puking out nebulae all over the place after a delicious meal of Crayola crayons and flourescent sharpies? Tick box please!!! Space as CCP say it should look[] (Ridiculous nebulae everywhere) Space as you say it should look[] (Uses 'star field' bitmaps instead of Crayola Nebulae) As soon as you've finished making Barbie Dolls for stations will be soon enough.
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.03.29 12:23:00 - [53] Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 29/03/2011 12:24:06 Originally by: Logan LaMort ... EDIT: Also you also have to remember we see EVE (Fiction wise) is through a camera drone, so either way we're seeing real life nebulae and in game nebulae through a lens. ... in which case, i'd love to be able to limit data input to visible light only. consider it filtering noise out of the image. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Liorah	Posted - 2011.03.29 13:46:00 - [54] "This is awesome artwork!" "Yeah, I know, right?!" "We need to put this in the game ASAP!" "Yes sir!" "In fact, it's so awesome, we need to put it everywhere so everyone can see it!" "Good idea! The more of this nebula stuff we put in all over the place, the more that 'Awesome' can be seen everywhere. That will make the whole game more awesome!" "You read my mind!" Making something awesome is, well, awesome. Putting it in random locations to show it off is awesome. Smothering the game with "awesome" just makes it boring. All things with discretion and moderation. Space may have little fart-clouds like what we see in deadspaces, but they would tend to dissipate due to their size. The truly beautiful and massive clouds would dwarf solar systems by comparison. My vote is for fewer eyestrain-inducing fart-clouds in deadspaces and actual nebulae between/encompassing systems that we can warp to and visit.
Seul Manus	Posted - 2011.03.29 14:04:00 - [55] I wonder if we'll be able to fly into the nebulars, so they become 3D instead of a static 2D backdrop If so they could be somewhere to hide safe from scans due to the nature of their content to add some extra elemts to game play.
Drummond	Posted - 2011.03.29 14:06:00 - [56] Not exactly apropos to the subject of Nebulas.. but I'd love to see the Warpgates positioned so that they actually pointed in the direction of the receiving Warpgate/System. It would be cool if our ships orientated and shot towards the spot where our destination is supposed to lie.
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.29 14:53:00 - [57] Originally by: the plague I've been an amateur astronomer for years and I can tell you there is no need to "color up" astrophotography shots. Then explain why they do it. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Logan LaMort	Posted - 2011.03.29 15:33:00 - [58] Am I the only one excited that, for the first time in EVE all the skys will share the same spacescape. I mean sure, there's these different nebulae for different regions but these are all part of a 3D space they've created for New Eden. We're still going to be in cubicles (Solar systems) but for once these cubicles will feel like they all exist inside the same building, that when we jump from one to another it will feel like we've travelled, because we can look back in the distance and see how far we travelled. If CCP wanted to, with this 3D space, they could actually place the EVE gate at the New Eden system and it would be visible from Amarr Prime (and other systems), just like the fiction. If we travelled through Genesis towards New Eden we would see the EVE gate burning brighter and bigger after each jump. I don't know about anyone else, but that strikes me as awesome
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.03.29 15:40:00 - [59] Originally by: Logan LaMort ... If CCP wanted to, with this 3D space, they could actually place the EVE gate at the New Eden system and it would be visible from Amarr Prime (and other systems), just like the fiction. If we travelled through Genesis towards New Eden we would see the EVE gate burning brighter and bigger after each jump. I don't know about anyone else, but that strikes me as awesome it's awesome once or twice, or even third time, and, of course, when taking artistic screenshots, but in combat, i prefer to have background that doesn't interfere with tactical decisions. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel - [jedi handwave] "There is no spoon."
Awateru Caldari Reclaimation Front	Posted - 2011.03.29 15:53:00 - [60] Originally by: Mel Lifera ...Where are all the comets? They could function similar to asteroid belts, to be mined for ice and perhaps gases. Comets should be moving items that you can harvest from, but you'd better sacrifice some mining ability for enough speed to keep up with them...
Cory Sopapilla Minmatar Kiroshi Group	Posted - 2011.03.29 16:16:00 - [61] Originally by: baltec1 You can see the milky way with the naked eye if you move to the middle of the south pacific. You can see it from central Texas if you're away from the city lights. It's amazing how many people don't even realize you can see it. Hell, most people think Orion is the big dipper.
the plague Anthraxus Defense Laboratories	Posted - 2011.03.29 16:22:00 - [62] Originally by: Rebecca Aventine Additionally images of these objects are either taken using colour sensitive film or are false colour composites of specific wave lengths. To the naked eye, the low illuminance of these objects means they appear de-saturated to point of being grey. That much is true. These objects will generally appear as gray color when observing them through a scope. There are some nice filters on the market which do wonders to bring out the detail with a large enough scope, but it's still not possible to view these objects the way they appear in those astrophotography images. They're just too distant. But the basic concept that CCP is onto is not wrong. They're just assuming the local system you're in lies within a very active planetary nebulae. We don't really know for sure what the view would look like from inside one of those, so CCP's efforts fall into the realm of artistic interpretation. But to me they seem like a very reasonable interpretation. All that said, it's probably true that there should be at least some parts of New Eden where space is mostly black because all the celestial objects are so distant. And perhaps that's exactly what CCP intends to do. They never said every single system would have a planetary nebulae as a background. I just hope they come up with some really distinct backgrounds in certain systems, because as you can see from the shots I linked to above, nebulae can have a very recognizable and beautiful structure and not just look like some random clouds of gas.
Mel Lifera Gallente Ambrye Logistics Ltd.	Posted - 2011.03.29 22:36:00 - [63] Originally by: the plague It's entirely reasonable. Here are some nebulae shots taken by Robert Gendler from his driveway using amateur astronomy equipment. They speak for themselves. http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/Einstein.html Just look at this stunning image of M16, The Eagle Nebula, and then tell me space is empty. http://www.robgendlerastropics.com/M16-BYU.html Space is very empty. You're taking a focused blow-up image of a teeny-tiny speck of the night sky - we're talking less than ten arcminutes across - and claiming it justifies tremendous naked-eye background images of huge nebulae wrapped around every single star system in New Eden. Except it doesn't. Most stars in our galaxy by far with mature planetary systems (like the ones we fly around in EVE) would have views very much like Earth's - all the spectacular-looking stuff takes up comparatively few pixels in a sea of black. In fact, for stars that are closer to the nebulae themselves, many of them would have a worse view because all those neat nebula structures aren't solid - they're formed by gases and only relatively "concentrated" dust clouds that are less visibly tangible the closer you get to them, and only look striking to us because we're far enough away. Great nebula backgrounds look awesome, but let's not pretend they're scientifically supported.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.03.29 23:22:00 - [64] I don't believe the Hubble shots are retouched in any way (though I could be wrong). Yes, we are looking at close ups, long exposure, specialized films/lenses/filters... but nothing that wouldn't be readily available to the camera drones we all supposedly view the universe of EVE through. The last time I flew relatively close to a large Nebula it looked pretty similar, how about you? ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Adam Weishaup	Posted - 2011.03.30 00:07:00 - [65] "I don't believe the Hubble shots are retouched in any way (though I could be wrong)" then you completely contradict yourself: "Yes, we are looking at close ups, long exposure, specialized films/lenses/filters..." Get yourself straight. BTW nebulae won't appear to a human eye from all sorts of angles of space as a big ole' colorful cloud, not by a long shot, but you could possibly see true color in rarefied circumstances of position. NASA planetary photoes are *INSANELY* colored by mass-density and temperature. I wouldnt for a second believe that all Hubble photos were just any old shot taken at any time of a nebula. And that's not what you would see with your own eye at any old time, either.
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:12:00 - [66] Ever seen a wide angle from hubble with no zoom, SPACE is effing crowded with alot of lights, most of it galaxies. Hubble Star Field snapshot Funnier story about this picture they focused on a square inch for a month on the acutal photo and found more light sources in that square inch than the rest of the photo had. The enchanced colorization some photos use is actually there and do exist, provided by invisible light specturm such as infrared xrays and radio waves and the sorts. Space contrary to belife is extremly noisy and not empty (your static TV channels pick alot of this up here on earth) However most of these published picutres are usually taken in only one of the said specturms for best effect of presentation rather than scientific presenation which hubble users would have alternative copies of. This doesnt however apply too well with photos that cover the entire visibil light colors and are likely natural light. Our own galaxy is a golden greenish color according to the massive terra-pixel image of our own night sky provided by microsoft and partners. Adromeda a bluish color. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 25FEB11
Nova Fox Gallente Novafox Shipyards	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:17:00 - [67] and another example of your accused artifical coloring. Carina Nebula, Visible(top) vs Infrared(bottom) Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 25FEB11
Zirse Minmatar ZED Industries	Posted - 2011.03.31 01:02:00 - [68] Edited by: Zirse on 31/03/2011 01:06:04 They are doing exactly this! Dynamic star backgrounds! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzKCVs7Z8XY#t=16m23s

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