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Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 01:54:00 - [61] if your ideas were any good maybe you'd control the csm you lost the battle of ideas dwi
Ailyn Ischt	Posted - 2011.04.05 03:59:00 - [62] Originally by: Weaselior if your ideas were any good maybe you'd control the csm you lost the battle of ideas dwi I didnt select 'support' when I wrote what I wrote because I have little faith in CSMs ability to get things done anyhow. I do believe they can bring forth our ideas and opinions, but ultimately I feel CCP knows the problems and choose to do little with it anyhow.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 04:47:00 - [63] Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:50:02 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:49:55 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:48:37 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:47:55 Originally by: Habaticus passing NDA material to the Goonies. hahahah oh god he's obviously going to casually breach the legally binding non-disclosure agreement he signed, or will sign, just for the superficial benefit of his internet spaceship alliance, to hell with the consequences god you're dumb, things like this have real world consequences, you know, you can't just get another character irl
Ailyn Ischt	Posted - 2011.04.05 05:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Andski Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:50:02 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:49:55 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:48:37 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:47:55 Originally by: Habaticus passing NDA material to the Goonies. hahahah oh god he's obviously going to casually breach the legally binding non-disclosure agreement he signed, or will sign, just for the superficial benefit of his internet spaceship alliance, to hell with the consequences god you're dumb, things like this have real world consequences, you know, you can't just get another character irl Remember back in 2007 a letter your Alliance wrote concerning another Alliance? the news even hit the NYT ... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin
Stahlregen GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 05:22:00 - [65] Originally by: Ailyn Ischt Originally by: Andski Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:50:02 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:49:55 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:48:37 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:47:55 Originally by: Habaticus passing NDA material to the Goonies. hahahah oh god he's obviously going to casually breach the legally binding non-disclosure agreement he signed, or will sign, just for the superficial benefit of his internet spaceship alliance, to hell with the consequences god you're dumb, things like this have real world consequences, you know, you can't just get another character irl Remember back in 2007 a letter your Alliance wrote concerning another Alliance? the news even hit the NYT ... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin So your logic is thus; Mittani represents the alliance that stood against developer misconduct and cheating and therefore is certain to break a legally binding agreement himself? Despite y'know.. having made a living off the law.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 05:22:00 - [66] Originally by: Ailyn Ischt Originally by: Andski Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:50:02 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:49:55 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:48:37 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:47:55 Originally by: Habaticus passing NDA material to the Goonies. hahahah oh god he's obviously going to casually breach the legally binding non-disclosure agreement he signed, or will sign, just for the superficial benefit of his internet spaceship alliance, to hell with the consequences god you're dumb, things like this have real world consequences, you know, you can't just get another character irl Remember back in 2007 a letter your Alliance wrote concerning another Alliance? the news even hit the NYT ... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin irrelevant (i also wasn't playing EVE in 2007)
Largo Coronet GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 05:38:00 - [67] "alleged" SPAAAAAAAAACE JEWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!! There's a herd of killer rabbits coming this way, and we need your help!
Ailyn Ischt	Posted - 2011.04.05 05:54:00 - [68] Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Ailyn Ischt Originally by: Andski Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:50:02 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:49:55 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:48:37 Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 04:47:55 Originally by: Habaticus passing NDA material to the Goonies. hahahah oh god he's obviously going to casually breach the legally binding non-disclosure agreement he signed, or will sign, just for the superficial benefit of his internet spaceship alliance, to hell with the consequences god you're dumb, things like this have real world consequences, you know, you can't just get another character irl Remember back in 2007 a letter your Alliance wrote concerning another Alliance? the news even hit the NYT ... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin So your logic is thus; Mittani represents the alliance that stood against developer misconduct and cheating and therefore is certain to break a legally binding agreement himself? Despite y'know.. having made a living off the law. It was in reference to what the quoted post said. You goons are horrible at having conversations. If you cant follow a conversation then maybe you shouldnt be having them.
Dracoknight	Posted - 2011.04.05 06:29:00 - [69] Jeez, so we plan to stop people from entering the CSM because they are a part of a group you dont like now? Personally Goons in general is better than most players in EVE due to the fact they know its a freaking game... On the other hand: Who would you vote for and did you vote at all? I think that most people would rather vote for a guy they know and can be predicted to do what he promises, and its easier to trust a person that might be in your alliance or it might even be a friend of yours instead of some nobody who spews out promises like no tomorrow. You should know that its a mere 14% of the EVE population that even voted for CSM 6, so you can expect at least the alliances of the members supported them because of what they are known for, if 100% of the EVE population voted no single alliance could vote forth their candidate on their own. ____________________ I wish my Thorax could use missiles...
BiaXia Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 09:31:00 - [70] Originally by: Habaticus Yes he's not good for the Community, but he'll be there until at least next year unless they catch him passing NDA material to the Goonies. Be careful though, he's already trying to marginalize "The Assembly Hall," where we can easily follow if he's representing himself or the Community. Yes, we're just going to suddenly start spreading NDA protected material now, of all times. The guys who no one likes who have been involved in every single CSM are now going to just start breachin' those NDAs. The other day I was walking down the street and I saw an NDA and I was like ** that and I breached that son of a ***. Then The Mittani descended from heaven and gave me a high five. What I'm saying is that you are dumb.

knobber Jobbler Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.04.05 10:36:00 - [71] I'd like it so right wing fascist closed minded conservatives who belive in intelligent design can't run for government but unfortunately they can because everyone is allowed to vote for who they want to. The CSM is the same. The way I see the CSM, people like Mittani and Killer2 only got a few thousand votes each. There were thousands more votes they didn't get than got. If other CSM candidates were better are winning voters then there might have been more competition. I voted for Killer2, not because he's in the NC but because I liked what he said and what he stands for. Mittani was second choice because I liked what he said too. I bothered to read blogs and listen to pod casts so I could take an informed opinion. Had many of the whiners on here done the same they might realise that the CSM6 represents not just 0.0 players but all EVE players. To much talking done here and not enough reading and learning.
Hratli Smirks GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 13:08:00 - [72] Originally by: Habaticus Be careful though, he's already trying to marginalize "The Assembly Hall," I don't believe it is possible to marginalize the Assembly Hall any more than it already has been
Habaticus Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.05 14:01:00 - [73] Originally by: Hratli Smirks Originally by: Habaticus Be careful though, he's already trying to marginalize "The Assembly Hall," I don't believe it is possible to marginalize the Assembly Hall any more than it already has been Have you ever seen so many Goonie bees around one hive. Guess they swarm when their QUEEN Bee is being talked about. All kidding aside, have you ever seen such Goon participation in the Assembly Hall. That is great but for the fact they want to marginalized it so the Chairman doesn't feel the need to be obligated to represent the whole Communnity. That is what I would do if I had the big stick and was obsessed with an agenda I wanted to push. Hey this may all be hysteria (hope so), but warrents watching considering the Chairman's past history
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 15:16:00 - [74] Originally by: Habaticus Originally by: Hratli Smirks Originally by: Habaticus Be careful though, he's already trying to marginalize "The Assembly Hall," I don't believe it is possible to marginalize the Assembly Hall any more than it already has been Have you ever seen so many Goonie bees around one hive. Guess they swarm when their QUEEN Bee is being talked about. All kidding aside, have you ever seen such Goon participation in the Assembly Hall. That is great but for the fact they want to marginalized it so the Chairman doesn't feel the need to be obligated to represent the whole Communnity. That is what I would do if I had the big stick and was obsessed with an agenda I wanted to push. Hey this may all be hysteria (hope so), but warrents watching considering the Chairman's past history we luv2post also we luv2own the csm
Awesome Possum Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.04.05 15:31:00 - [75] Originally by: Vincent VanOgh This forum isn't dedicated to rantings on the US political system but you're going to vomit on your keyboard in an attempt to sound intelligent, anyway. Quote: Medicaid has difficulty supplying for the needs of the population mostly because most of the individuals treated on the government's tab are those who have never been in a position to pay into the system. They might, if they ever went out and got a job. Try being "dirt poor" for a year or two, you'll see plenty of people who are being supplied health care on the government's dime when they are perfectly able to pay into the system. Quote: The single payer healthcare system is a purely economic bandaid to the unavoidable fact that hospitals must by law treat those who come through the door. It is de-coupled from immigrations and payroll taxes because you rabid flaming conservitards would otherwise scream bloody murder about it giving all the "brown people" some kind of official recognition for being here. Yes, it so inflammatory and racist for a private citizen to be upset that his tax dollar goes towards keeping people healthy, who've entered the country illegally. Personally, I'd rather see my tax dollar go towards sending those people back to their home country and let THEM pay for the health care. Quote: So, you can't stop the system paying OUT, but you can sure as hell give people an accessible, affordable avenue to pay in. Last I checked, private health insurance is pretty affordable even for people with crap paying jobs. "Oh no, but I have to pay for my cell phone, xbox live, HD cable/internet.... I'll just let the gubmint pay for my bandaids." If one cannot receive health insurance due to preexisting conditions, once again there's medicare/medicaid. Quote: It is a problem you have created (much like state budget shortfalls by giving all those poor hard-done-by millionaires tax breaks) and a problem you, as an idiot, refuse to even acknowledge much less fix. Awww, poor rich people, still paying a higher percentage in taxes even after those tax breaks. Tell me, when those millionaires move away rather than be taxed unfairly, who do you plan on blaming the budget shortfalls on? Tax everyone the same, percentage wise, then you'll have me on board with "unfair tax breaks". Quote: Go and educate yourself on the subject, you intellectually stunted, morally bankrupt ***got. which particular subject? you sort of ranted and raved all over the place. ♥
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 16:14:00 - [76] Originally by: Awesome Possum look it thinks its people
Vincent VanOgh	Posted - 2011.04.05 16:56:00 - [77] Edited by: Vincent VanOgh on 05/04/2011 16:59:16 Originally by: Awesome Possum They might, if they ever went out and got a job. Try being "dirt poor" for a year or two, you'll see plenty of people who are being supplied health care on the government's dime when they are perfectly able to pay into the system. Citation needed - oh wait, you don't have one except a moronic and un-provable belief that you're right. Then you turn around and rage because reality doesn't measure up to your idiotic preconceptions. Quote: Yes, it so inflammatory and racist for a private citizen to be upset that his tax dollar goes towards keeping people healthy, who've entered the country illegally. Personally, I'd rather see my tax dollar go towards sending those people back to their home country and let THEM pay for the health care. Yes, it is inflammatory and racist for a miserly, selfish and anti-social private citizen to be upset that his or her tax dollar goes towards keeping everyone around them healthy and productive. People who aren't stupid realize this is an investment that pays dividends in the long run. Clearly you aren't one of those people. Quote: Last I checked, private health insurance is pretty affordable even for people with crap paying jobs. "Oh no, but I have to pay for my cell phone, xbox live, HD cable/internet.... I'll just let the gubmint pay for my bandaids." WHAAAAAAAT? Are you out of your mind. No, stop now. Really. You're just embarrassing yourself. Family health insurance goes for between $200 and $400 a month. How in the name of reason can you think that is affordable to someone pulling in barely $1,000 per month? Quote: If one cannot receive health insurance due to preexisting conditions, once again there's medicare/medicaid. What are you blabbing about? Quote: Awww, poor rich people, still paying a higher percentage in taxes even after those tax breaks. Tell me, when those millionaires move away rather than be taxed unfairly, who do you plan on blaming the budget shortfalls on? Tax everyone the same, percentage wise, then you'll have me on board with "unfair tax breaks". And when has that ever happened? The wealthy have never had it so good and yet you continue with the idiotic mantra that you got sold and bought into - hook, line and sinker. The "Millionaire Migration" myth is exactly that, a myth - A scare tactic capable of perhaps frightening simple conservative minds like yours into repeating the same old tired, discredited arguments ad nauseam -once again simply not backed up by the facts as they stand. Quote: which particular subject? you sort of ranted and raved all over the place. You know, healthcare... the subject you flapped your gums about and then got called on, showing yourself up to be a willfully misinformed fool, then after a somewhat confused reactive ramble end on attempting to claim that the rebuttal was unfocused.
Goose99	Posted - 2011.04.05 17:04:00 - [78]
Vertisce Soritenshi O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.05 18:38:00 - [79] At this point these kinds of threads are just a waste. No...I don't trust "The Mittani" either but whats done is done. CCP isn't going to take an idea from any CSM that will break the game. CCP can do that on their own. Even if CCP did decide to hold another election for CSM it would take them at least 6 months to come to that conclusion and another 6 months to make it happen...at which point it is election time anyway. So for the time being I say we just kick back...relax and watch and see what the new CSM team does. I am sure there will be many tears and threats to ragequit...in which case...can I haz your stuffs and I need to go buy more popcorn. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND!

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Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.05 20:32:00 - [81] Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 20:36:15 Originally by: Habaticus Originally by: Hratli Smirks Originally by: Habaticus Be careful though, he's already trying to marginalize "The Assembly Hall," I don't believe it is possible to marginalize the Assembly Hall any more than it already has been Have you ever seen so many Goonie bees around one hive. Guess they swarm when their QUEEN Bee is being talked about. All kidding aside, have you ever seen such Goon participation in the Assembly Hall. That is great but for the fact they want to marginalized it so the Chairman doesn't feel the need to be obligated to represent the whole Communnity. That is what I would do if I had the big stick and was obsessed with an agenda I wanted to push. Hey this may all be hysteria (hope so), but warrents watching considering the Chairman's past history that obviously has nothing to do with our alliance having thousands of members, of course. every CSM delegate was legitimately elected according to CCP's rules concerning CSM elections. therefore, there is no reason to start a new election.
Sephiroth CloneVII	Posted - 2011.04.05 23:03:00 - [82] Originally by: Andski Edited by: Andski on 05/04/2011 20:36:15 Originally by: Habaticus Originally by: Hratli Smirks Originally by: Habaticus Be careful though, he's already trying to marginalize "The Assembly Hall," I don't believe it is possible to marginalize the Assembly Hall any more than it already has been Have you ever seen so many Goonie bees around one hive. Guess they swarm when their QUEEN Bee is being talked about. All kidding aside, have you ever seen such Goon participation in the Assembly Hall. That is great but for the fact they want to marginalized it so the Chairman doesn't feel the need to be obligated to represent the whole Communnity. That is what I would do if I had the big stick and was obsessed with an agenda I wanted to push. Hey this may all be hysteria (hope so), but warrents watching considering the Chairman's past history that obviously has nothing to do with our alliance having thousands of members, of course. every CSM delegate was legitimately elected according to CCP's rules concerning CSM elections. therefore, there is no reason to start a new election. It is not a legitimate election if the mittani's character was not born in the eve universe. I want to see the mittani's in game birth certificate.
The Mittani	Posted - 2011.04.05 23:45:00 - [83] wait does he mean 'elected' chairman or 'alleged' chairman i can't tell through all the drooling idiocy The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
Aegis Stormborn UNKN0WN ENTITY	Posted - 2011.04.06 00:26:00 - [84] Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd Atlas Tears I could write a thesis on why you are ******ed but CBA. Goons are annoying but not out to ruin the game, you are astoundingly stupid. Not supported. However, I would support your termination. (In game ofc)
Imigo Montoya Hysterically Unforgiving Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.04.06 10:05:00 - [85] Originally by: The Mittani wait does he mean 'elected' chairman or 'alleged' chairman i can't tell through all the drooling idiocy Yeah, I was wondering what "eleged" meant... Honestly, I've brought some cheese along to go with the whine. The election happened, votes were cast, somebody got more votes than somebody else. I didn't get enough votes to get in... boo frickin hoo. This was one of the biggest voter turnouts of any CSM election. That means that this CSM is the most representative of the EVE population. If you don't like the way the the most representative CSM turned out, perhaps you should get involved and run yourself next time. As for Goons posting in F&I, and then the AH, the CSM is effectively a filter for CCP - if CCP employees had to wade through all the bad ideas that get posted there (over and over again), they'd have no time to actually implement anything. Goons shutting down the bad/game breaking ideas (which is what I've observed) simply makes less noise for the CSM to wade through so they can focus on the occasional idea with some merit. One could call it "academic rigour".
Swynet	Posted - 2011.04.06 18:26:00 - [86] @OP People have voted he got elected there's nothing to say now. No matter if you like it or not, if you wanted to do something you should have done it when elections time was up. This kind of thread is ridiculous! If you want to do something now the best you can do is start to work for next year elections. I don't like neither to see Goons at the CSM but the fact is that now they have the chance to prove to all of us who don't believe them that they really care about this game and the common good. They may seem but they are not stupid, they know there will be consequences from whatever they will do at the CSM for all this year. Now it's time to show some people are wrong and I bet they will. Get your pants up, let them work before doing stuff like this thread. ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Usahina	Posted - 2011.04.06 20:48:00 - [87] I also don't thrust the Mittani, or you, or that bearded woman, or the pope, or even myself (an obvious poasting alt if there ever was one). That is because this is still eve online, and there is nothing wrong with Machiavellian politics. Even if the defendant was chosen just because he is in GS, it's still a choice from a large enough player base, thus democratically sound.
FinnAgain Zero Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.06 20:55:00 - [88] I still can't decide if I am amused by the very concept of a "petition of distrust" or an "alleged chairman". Perhaps I don't have to decide. ------------------------------------------------ Hohohoho, Mister Finn, you're going to be Mister Finnagain!
Aralyn Cormallen Wraith.Wing Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2011.04.07 11:03:00 - [89] Originally by: Andski Then again, I can't say I expect intelligent ideas from a guy who belongs to a corporation with a dot in its name, which in turn belongs to an alliance with a dot in its name. Oi, biatch, I resemble that remark. Why you no love us no more On topic, OP is a moron. Mittens only took 1700 Goon votes, meaning he would have still gotten into the CSM even if not one single Goon voted for him (christ, he would have only just narrowly missed on the chair even). Think on that.
The Mittani	Posted - 2011.04.16 05:36:00 - [90] a lot of days i don't even trust myself, it makes folks feel better! The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster



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