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Dalketh	Posted - 2011.04.16 08:17:00 - [91] Edited by: Dalketh on 16/04/2011 08:18:10 Congrats - no one else outside of the goons trusts you either. Yes you have every right to 'suggest' your alliance vote en mass to get you in, but you knew what conflict that would cause in the community after the childish sarcastic campaign you ran. You made the CSM into a joke. Am sure that makes you proud though. Sad. Originally by: The Mittani a lot of days i don't even trust myself, it makes folks feel better!
Trebor Daehdoow	Posted - 2011.04.16 09:52:00 - [92] Originally by: Dalketh You made the CSM into a joke. Am sure that makes you proud though. Sad. I find it truly amusing how many people simply can't distinguish between The Mittani, Internet Spaceships Douchebag, and Alex, RL member of the CSM. The former wants to cause you pain. The latter wants to improve the game so as to provide The Mittani with more opportunities to cause you pain. If you really want to stick it to The Mittani, just ignore the trolling and reply to any substantial comments he makes with calm, sober, well-considered replies. It will drive him nucking futs.
The Mittani	Posted - 2011.04.17 00:00:00 - [93] Edited by: The Mittani on 17/04/2011 00:00:35 Originally by: Dalketh Edited by: Dalketh on 16/04/2011 08:18:10 Congrats - no one else outside of the goons trusts you either. Yes you have every right to 'suggest' your alliance vote en mass to get you in, but you knew what conflict that would cause in the community after the childish sarcastic campaign you ran. You made the CSM into a joke. Am sure that makes you proud though. Sad. Originally by: The Mittani a lot of days i don't even trust myself, it makes folks feel better! your suffering amuses me edit: also trebor's basically right The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
Seleene	Posted - 2011.04.17 00:04:00 - [94] How did I miss this thread? Mittens, quick, tell me what to post! ---- My Blog - Where I say stuff.
The Mittani	Posted - 2011.04.17 00:06:00 - [95] post something about how your ideas are entirely your own and you're not being coerced by me in any way, shape or form - you just happen to agree with me people love that ****~ The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
Draco Llasa	Posted - 2011.04.17 00:14:00 - [96] blank stare i am my own person.. i am in no way under the mind control of the mittens. srsly guys.. troll more this is true entertainment
Ganthrithor Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.17 07:20:00 - [97] MY ELEGED CEO MY ELEGED CSM <3<3<3
Blind Brother	Posted - 2011.04.17 07:25:00 - [98] I think he's just sore because he's in the wrong alliance.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.17 08:47:00 - [99] I, for one, am quite happy with the current lineup and especially the chairman of the CSM. The player base got what it deserved (for not taking more of an interest), but it also got what it NEEDED... because, let's face it, THIS particular CSM will probably be the one most likely to actually push SOME of the better stuff, since it presents a mostly united front. So, sorry, OP, totally and completely NOT supported. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Talas Dir Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.17 09:20:00 - [100] perhaps it didn't occur to you, but there are people outside of alliance blocks that support the candidates they put forward. the first 5 csm's had their chance. now it's time for a real csm to represent the real eve players.

Jessie42 Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.17 09:33:00 - [101] lmao Chairman lmao actually.
Sleevedace GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.17 09:36:00 - [102] The idea of a democracy is lost on some people.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.17 09:39:00 - [103] Originally by: Sleevedace The idea of a democracy is lost on some people. Let's have a vote to abolish democracy ! _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Lord Zim Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.17 11:42:00 - [104] Originally by: Talas Dir perhaps it didn't occur to you, but there are people outside of alliance blocks that support the candidates they put forward. the first 5 csm's had their chance. now it's time for a real csm to represent the real eve players. ****stupid colour; didn't read.
Drem Aldent	Posted - 2011.04.17 12:26:00 - [105] Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd Edited by: Tronjay the''3rd on 29/03/2011 12:01:44 Due to the outcome of the elections of CSM6, I and several fellow EVE podpilots can not support the elected members of CSM6. It is obvious The Mittani is chosen NOT because of his view on EVE, but just because of the mere fact that he is a Goon. Goons voted blindly for their representative, hoping that his election into CSM6 will benefit just Goons&friends in the near future. This CSM-council is a farce and became nothing more then a platform of Big alliances and their representatives. The independant CSM applicants stand little or no chance of becoming a CSM member, if and when a big alliances urges their members to vote for an alliance member. This has to change. I call upon all EVE podpilots to petition for a new election of CSM6 and new election mechanics. How? Maybe only 1 vote per alliance and/or Corporation? (discuss) Also it would be nice to see and hear CCP's view on this matter. First of all, this is a troll. Second, thats the way democracy works, Deal with it kid.
Kaelie Onren	Posted - 2011.04.17 17:00:00 - [106] Originally by: Hallan De'estus The voters have spoken. The candidates took the time and effort to campaign, and to organize supporters. If those elected perform well, and choose to run again, odds are that they will be re-elected. System working as intended.... I disagree. This isn't voting for a president (ie 1 leader) where electoral colleges etc are involved. CSM is more like voting for congress. In these cases, each state has a certain number of seats that they can fill depending on their population. So what CSM is missing is some sort of tie to the constituents that the representatives are supposed to be representing. For example if say, 70% of the population in EVE live in Empire space, then 70% of CSM seats should be from there and so forth. The problem is how you can register people to a constituency. I'm not sure how this can be done, but one way may be to instead divide up New Eden into corporation/alliance constituents. At a given census time, all corp membership is recorded and the populations of each alliance/corp tallied. Sort them first by Alliance, then sort them by Empire/pirate faction (using perhaps the top standing faction they are friendly with). Evenly subdivide the total population of New Eden by the number of seats on the CSM, and every multiple of the number each group of constituents has earns them 1 seat for that group. What we want to achieve here is proper representation of the population, and not the upholding of the elite establishment by large alliances. Founding Fathers once had the same problem, and we all know where that ended up.
Kaelie Onren	Posted - 2011.04.17 17:15:00 - [107]
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.17 17:38:00 - [108] Edited by: Ruah Piskonit on 17/04/2011 17:38:50 Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd This CSM-council is a farce and became nothing more then a platform of Big alliances and their representatives. The independant CSM applicants stand little or no chance of becoming a CSM member, if and when a big alliances urges their members to vote for an alliance member. This has to change. This is democracy, direct your complaints to UN Populism =/= democracy. It was an issue that I brought up when the final draft of the proposal paper (the one that went to the NYtimes) was shown to me at fanfest and I am quite suprised that it took 6 cycles to reach this stage. The point is, a streight up numbers voting system like this does not reprisent minorities (like FW) that will never reach the organizational and numerical advantage that voting blocks such as 0.0 (which completely dominate this year and will dominate from this year onwards until they lose interest - i.e. it becomes useless). I suppose its not a problem for societies that don't have (or do not recognize/care about minorities such as iceland and switzerland).
Lykouleon Bad Kitty Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.17 18:46:00 - [109] Originally by: Ruah Piskonit Edited by: Ruah Piskonit on 17/04/2011 17:38:50The point is, a streight up numbers voting system like this does not reprisent minorities (like FW) that will never reach the organizational and numerical advantage that voting blocks such as 0.0 (which completely dominate this year and will dominate from this year onwards until they lose interest - i.e. it becomes useless). You're assuming two things. First, every member of 0.0 votes for a 0.0 candidate, and two, 0.0 candidates don't add aspects of FW/highsec/lowsec changes to their platforms to get votes outside their normal powerblocs (lol, politics...). Unless you can prove otherwise, Mittens (and other members of the CSM) weren't elected just due to their good looks and charm. They were elected based on platforms and their ability to get their message out to the voters. People that did well in this election cycle actually took the time and ~effort~ to get their constituents out to vote for them (or candidates with like-minded interests). "Minority" candidates have the same opportunities as "major" candidates and simply squandered it (for the most part). For example, I didn't hear about any PIE. candidates in the current election cycle. Did they have a decent platform? You're also assuming the age-old fallacy that all goons in EVE are in Goonswarm and that all goons run around like mindless children. Besides my ranting, come on...who could distrust Mittens? Just look at his adorable little smile, his sweet, flowing hair, his soothing voice... :swoon: Don't click on this. No, really, don't, it'll make your eyes bleed.
Alias 6322A	Posted - 2011.04.18 01:42:00 - [110] Is it just me, or do people forget two important facts: 1) There is one vote per account, therefore, it is much more likely that far more experienced players (mostly found in nullsec, I hope) will inherently have more weight in an election than newer hisec players that have only one account. My three votes are more than your one, even though there is only one player. New players won't invest in multiple accounts unless they have lots of money or realize quickly the benefits...in general they won't because they aren't ready to commit to EVE as their game that early. 2) Newer players often don't know TO vote. They see the ad on the client login, maybe on the website if they visit it often enough, but likely won't vote because they don't know any of the players. They often realize they lack the knowledge to make such a decision since most candidates portray themselves towards either a grandiose (and complex) vision of EVE or nullsec fixes, neither of which new players understand. All CSM's are inherently going to be weighted a certain way because, like EVE is a niche game in the market, those who vote are a niche market in EVE. If you want to prove the elections are flawed, have a player actively campaign new players (such as earning E-Uni's total support) and gain a ton of votes with new players, only to lose anyways. Elections will forever be lopsided unless candidates make it a point to work together to involve more players in the voting process. Why should CCP changed the CSM when the players that take the time to vote got what they wanted? You and your few friends would have voted someone that benefits you too, that's why you vote! If you want that person to win, YOU should have made it a point to find them more votes. Votes should continue to be on a single account basis. Those who are willing to dedicate the funds to CCP deserve a vote for each account. They want to see the game continue, and they obviously have a vested interest in the game's success because of that.

Kaelie Onren	Posted - 2011.04.18 13:09:00 - [111] Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 18/04/2011 13:12:36 Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 18/04/2011 13:11:36 Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 18/04/2011 13:10:06 Originally by: Lykouleon Originally by: Ruah Piskonit Edited by: Ruah Piskonit on 17/04/2011 17:38:50The point is, a streight up numbers voting system like this does not reprisent minorities (like FW) that will never reach the organizational and numerical advantage that voting blocks such as 0.0 (which completely dominate this year and will dominate from this year onwards until they lose interest - i.e. it becomes useless). You're assuming two things. First, every member of 0.0 votes for a 0.0 candidate, and two, 0.0 candidates don't add aspects of FW/highsec/lowsec changes to their platforms to get votes outside their normal powerblocs (lol, politics...). Unless you can prove otherwise, Mittens (and other members of the CSM) weren't elected just due to their good looks and charm. They were elected based on platforms and their ability to get their message out to the voters. People that did well in this election cycle actually took the time and ~effort~ to get their constituents out to vote for them (or candidates with like-minded interests). "Minority" candidates have the same opportunities as "major" candidates and simply squandered it (for the most part). Maybe they didn't bother, because they knew that (for example) given that only 2% of accounts are active in FW, then what is the point on campaigning on a FW platform? Even if they DID get all players in FW to vote for them, they won't dent the 0.0 votes. Now if CCP dictates groups of constituents (based on a census or a survey of all players, and how each player choose to identify themselves as) then that would incentivize more minority players to run for CSM (because frankly, who wants to bother if they have no statistical chance of winning?) For example, before the next CSM, have a survey that all players are encouraged to fill out, which asks each player (1 per account) Which best classifies what you spend most time doing in EVE in the past year: 1) PvP 2) PvE 3) Mining 4) Industry 5) Exploration 6) Trading 7) Corporate Management/PIE 8) Faction Wars 9) Pirating Where do you spend most of your time: 1)Empire 2)LowSec 3)Null 4)Empire Null 5)WH That should bucket the population into groups which can then be assign a number of seats (depending on proportion). Each player can then vote for a candidate for that seat(s). IE, players who are identified as Null Sec PvP, can only cast a vote for the candidates running for the Null Sec PvP seat(s). As an aside, I believe that any argument that a goon (or better 1+ goons) on the CSM (sorry, I don't mean to pick on goons, just a handy example) is not biased is going to be flawed. Even if they had the best intentions in mind, I doubt that a player that spends 100% of his time and experience playing in null sec is going to give the same mindshare to a suggestion that affects empire space or FW than one that is more familiar to them on a daily basis. They just may not have the experience in the other aspects of the game to be able to contribute as well as somebody who do spend all of their time there. This system is not without its flaws, but I think it would at least give a chance at letting the lesser (in terms of population) aspects of the game get some coverage and spotlight, and chance at improvement. It's arguable that those sometimes forgotten aspects are the ones that should get some more attention after all.
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.18 17:30:00 - [112] Originally by: Lykouleon You're assuming two things. First, every member of 0.0 votes for a 0.0 candidate, and two, 0.0 candidates don't add aspects of FW/highsec/lowsec changes to their platforms to get votes outside their normal powerblocs (lol, politics...). On the first point - it makes perfect sense to vote for someone who will reprisent your interests at CSM - so a 0.0 player not voting for a rep. from 0.0 would be odd. On the second point however - you do realize that FW has had no changes since launch, is basically broken, and CCP did not even show up this fanfest to th round-table for it yah? No CSM has reprisented FW (just to focus on that) and looking at the voting numbers - no CSM can be voted in on a FW ticket. (the numbers just don't add up) Originally by: Lykouleon Unless you can prove otherwise, Mittens (and other members of the CSM) weren't elected just due to their good looks and charm. They were elected based on platforms and their ability to get their message out to the voters. People that did well in this election cycle actually took the time and ~effort~ to get their constituents out to vote for them (or candidates with like-minded interests). "Minority" candidates have the same opportunities as "major" candidates and simply squandered it (for the most part). For example, I didn't hear about any PIE. candidates in the current election cycle. Did they have a decent platform? You're also assuming the age-old fallacy that all goons in EVE are in Goonswarm and that all goons run around like mindless children. I don't care if its the alliance leader of GSF, or whatever - thats the OPs concern. My concern is that minorities (like fw)are not being reprisneted and while it may sem only fair that the better organized 0.0 alliances should vote their own membes into CSM - it undermines the idea that CSM reprisnts the community. If there is any change to anything that is not related to 0.0 (moon goo, 0.0 sov mechanics, some pvp tweaking, logistics) I will be suprised. i think this is a problem in terms of what csm was designed to do - but - i am also glad that at least someone is getting their voice heard. so more power to them.
Vertisce Soritenshi O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.18 18:07:00 - [113] Look...I would love to be the first person to say anything negative about Mittani and Goonswarm but there are too many people ahead of me in the line for that one. I will say I am however the last person to ever support Goonswarm...IN GAME. That said...while it is true that Mittani is a distrustful ass of a gnome in game I don't believe that he as a CSM are the same. Listen to the Fireside chat that was posted today. He in no way shows any interest in **ing over the game to benifit Goonswarm. Even if he did he is not the entire CSM. There are others there to keep him in line. He is working with the rest of the CSM and taking input from the players through the Assembly Hall to get done what needs to be done. Do I fully support him? No. But I am not in direct opposition of him either. Despite his in-game jackassery he does have some good ideas and he does have the real life experience to get the job done. Threads like this do nothing but build mistrust and hinder the process. Does he deserve that mistrust? Yeah...but at this point nothing we say or do will change the fact that he is the CSM chairman. NOTHING! CCP is not going to kick him out. He was voted into his position and no amount of whining is going to change that. Let him do what he needs to do. Give him constructive criticism and ideas to help better the game. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND!**
Merrik Talorra Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.04.20 17:05:00 - [114] This thread is amazing. Finding out that Molle told an NY Times reporter that he planned to take over all of EVE has made my freakin day
Vile rat	Posted - 2011.04.20 17:19:00 - [115] Edited by: Vile rat on 20/04/2011 17:19:21 Originally by: Ruah Piskonit I don't care if its the alliance leader of GSF, or whatever - thats the OPs concern. My concern is that minorities (like fw)are not being reprisneted and while it may sem only fair that the better organized 0.0 alliances should vote their own membes into CSM - it undermines the idea that CSM reprisnts the community. If there is any change to anything that is not related to 0.0 (moon goo, 0.0 sov mechanics, some pvp tweaking, logistics) I will be suprised. i think this is a problem in terms of what csm was designed to do - but - i am also glad that at least someone is getting their voice heard. so more power to them. If you think your pet issue is not getting due attention I strongly encourage you to reach out and contact CSM reps and tell them about your point of view. If you don't think I have the expertise and knowledge to represent your concerns then learn me on them. If you think I'm not gonna be able to tackle FW properly or raise concerns when new changes are proposed, then convo me and sit me down for an earful on what you've experienced and what you think needs work. I think you'll find we're all really approachable about this kind of stuff and want to learn as much as we can in areas we aren't as strong. One other thing, our persistent skype chat gives us a great opportunity for back and forth with CSM members who have more specialized knowledge about things. Information flow is happening really quickly which should make for a better informed set of reps.
Tamir Lenk Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.20 18:45:00 - [116] CSM6 is truly an outrage and a failure of the system. Goons cannot be trusted with the same voting privileges extended to ~real EVE players~ and their votes must be discounted. I propose reducing Goon votes to 3/5 of a real vote.
Awesome Possum Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.04.20 19:56:00 - [117] Originally by: Tamir Lenk CSM6 is truly an outrage and a failure of the system. Goons cannot be trusted with the same voting privileges extended to ~real EVE players~ and their votes must be discounted. I propose reducing Goon votes to 3/5 of a real vote. i wasn't aware goons were black ♥
Feligast Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.20 21:00:00 - [118] Originally by: Awesome Possum Originally by: Tamir Lenk CSM6 is truly an outrage and a failure of the system. Goons cannot be trusted with the same voting privileges extended to ~real EVE players~ and their votes must be discounted. I propose reducing Goon votes to 3/5 of a real vote. i wasn't aware goons were black You've never been on one of our fleet ops, then.
Alexander Third Crystal Industries	Posted - 2011.05.09 02:01:00 - [119] Originally by: The Mittani your suffering and incoherence pleases me. ~1700 votes for me came from GSF, the rest from the community as a whole more threads like this please, i require a constant supply of agony to maintain interest in this game~ Weren't you that guy who got those people to blow up my hulk?
Yeep GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:10:00 - [120] People who play the game the way I play it (the correct way) should have their votes count more than people who play the game the way you play it (the wrong way). Sure there are fewer of me but thats just because not everyone can be as smart as me and you have to be pretty smart to play the game the way I play it (the correct way) otherwise I would be playing some other way.



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