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Tronjay the'3rd
Caldari
Ascendancy.
Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tronjay the''3rd on 29/03/2011 12:01:44
Due to the outcome of the elections of CSM6, I and several fellow EVE podpilots can not support the elected members of CSM6.
It is obvious The Mittani is chosen NOT because of his view on EVE, but just because of the mere fact that he is a Goon.
Goons voted blindly for their representative, hoping that his election into CSM6 will benefit just Goons&friends in the near future.
This CSM-council is a farce and became nothing more then a platform of Big alliances and their representatives.
The independant CSM applicants stand little or no chance of becoming a CSM member, if and when a big alliances urges their members to vote for an alliance member. This has to change.
I call upon all EVE podpilots to petition for a new election of CSM6 and new election mechanics.
How?
Maybe only 1 vote per alliance and/or Corporation? (discuss)
Also it would be nice to see and hear CCP's view on this matter.
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Mr LaForge
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:23:00 -
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So your idea is for everyone to form 1 man alt corps to vote for their alliance person?
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:26:00 -
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lol
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Levistus Junior
Caldari
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:29:00 -
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Not supported.
It's been like this ever since the beginning of democracy: the guy with most supporters gets elected as opposed to the 'best' guy (which may vary depends on how you define best).
While I agree that the current CSM (and many of the previous) are dominated by 0.0 people, it has most to do with involvement, 0.0 guys care enough to vote, most high sec guys, not really. If more people voted, I bet the CSM's composition would be quite different.
One vote per corp/alliance is an extremely bad idea. Goonwaffe is a 2.5k man corp; I run a research alt corp in hi-sec that has 3 men in it. Should 2500 ppl have exact the same say as my 3 alts?
Also, just for the record, IMHO Mittens is a pretty cool guy, with a very in-depth knowledge of the game.
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.29 12:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Levistus Junior
Also, just for the record, IMHO Mittens is a pretty cool guy, with a very in-depth knowledge of the game.
This goes for most of the new CSM. I actually have some hope this time, not because I'm a 0.0 player but because these guys love this game and know it intimiately. It will be good for the core game play i.e. Internet Spaceships.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.29 13:06:00 -
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Maybe only 1 vote per alliance and/or Corporation? (discuss)
Even by CAOD/C&P standards this would be ridiculous.
Tbh who cares, look at anomaly changes, CCP did never talk with CSM about it and published dev blog directly after 0.0 fanfest discussions in order to make sure CSM also couldnt ask there about it. Sure CCP might make nice dev blogs how much they care about CSM, but face it, they dont.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.29 13:18:00 -
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I've never been a fan of the electoral college. But it is coming to a point where establising one in Eve sounds like a good idea (to me). Elect electors, which in turn, elect the CSM. Limit the amount of electors an alliance can have and voila, problem solved.
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FlameGlow
Gypsy Band
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd
This CSM-council is a farce and became nothing more then a platform of Big alliances and their representatives.
The independant CSM applicants stand little or no chance of becoming a CSM member, if and when a big alliances urges their members to vote for an alliance member. This has to change.
This is democracy, direct your complaints to UN 
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
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Marconus Orion
S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:41:00 -
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What the **** is this **** proposal?
I don't like the fact that five out of the nine seats has a NC's ass plopped in it, but they were voted into them. So there you have it. The people who did vote have spoken.
What you should be going after is what can be done to get more people to give a **** to vote. Even though this election has the most votes than the past elections, it is a joke at what percentage of accounts voted.
The Mittani was elected to chair, and that is where he should be according to the votes. Now if he breaks the NDA or does nothing but try to reverse any progress other CSM's have done to build on the relationship between players and CCP, then he should be removed.
So in closing...
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
lol
^^This.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:44:00 -
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So you are saying that goons are less clever than Atlas people? Apparantly they were clever enough to get a representative that lives under the same conditions as themself in a 0.0 that undergoes large changes if CCP executes their current plans.
Those plans might give Eve a great future but at least Mittani will question them and make sure that CCP isn't represented by a minority of players.
Anyway it's not like the chairman will be in position to decide over CCP anyway. And I actually found his views on Eve pretty good, even if I might have voted in another direction...
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Veshta Yoshida
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:37:00 -
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The chair has no power whatsoever so you could appoint a chimp if you wanted to.
Biggest problem this cycle is the homogeneous composition of the council as a whole.
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Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet
Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:48:00 -
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Well this is democracy - the largest interest group gets their way, one way or the other.
I understand your concern, but to be frank I do not see what this will all change really, I look forward too good improvements to the game, regardless of who is on the CSM.
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Hallan De'estus
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:02:00 -
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The voters have spoken. The candidates took the time and effort to campaign, and to organize supporters.
If those elected perform well, and choose to run again, odds are that they will be re-elected.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I've never been a fan of the electoral college. But it is coming to a point where establising one in Eve sounds like a good idea (to me). Elect electors, which in turn, elect the CSM. Limit the amount of electors an alliance can have and voila, problem solved.
yeah because that wouldn't have the exact same effect.
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I've never been a fan of the electoral college. But it is coming to a point where establising one in Eve sounds like a good idea (to me). Elect electors, which in turn, elect the CSM. Limit the amount of electors an alliance can have and voila, problem solved.
yeah because that wouldn't have the exact same effect.
Confirming that we would get mittens elected no matter what measures are put in place. 
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins
There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Janos Saal
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:39:00 -
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Mmmm yes this is a vintage crop of tears. Bottle this ****.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:48:00 -
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the mittani sends his regards
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Rens Daytrader
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Posted - 2011.03.29 17:00:00 -
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.29 17:36:00 -
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That picture is full of win.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd
Edited by: Tronjay the''3rd on 29/03/2011 12:01:44
Due to the outcome of the elections of CSM6, I and several fellow EVE podpilots can not support the elected members of CSM6.
It is obvious The Mittani is chosen NOT because of his view on EVE, but just because of the mere fact that he is a Goon.
Goons voted blindly for their representative, hoping that his election into CSM6 will benefit just Goons&friends in the near future.
This CSM-council is a farce and became nothing more then a platform of Big alliances and their representatives.
The independant CSM applicants stand little or no chance of becoming a CSM member, if and when a big alliances urges their members to vote for an alliance member. This has to change.
I call upon all EVE podpilots to petition for a new election of CSM6 and new election mechanics.
How?
Maybe only 1 vote per alliance and/or Corporation? (discuss)
Also it would be nice to see and hear CCP's view on this matter.
And if you had been elected... it would be no different.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.29 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
I've never been a fan of the electoral college. But it is coming to a point where establising one in Eve sounds like a good idea (to me). Elect electors, which in turn, elect the CSM. Limit the amount of electors an alliance can have and voila, problem solved.
yeah because that wouldn't have the exact same effect.
The same effect? No. Would it be 100% effective? No.
Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today! |
Admiral Jordan
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Posted - 2011.04.03 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Jordan on 03/04/2011 04:27:28
Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd
Edited by: Tronjay the''3rd on 29/03/2011 12:01:44
Due to the outcome of the elections of CSM6, I and several fellow EVE podpilots can not support the elected members of CSM6.
you Mad BRAH?
So you want a vote like how ObamaCare was FORCED upon us Americans because a whiny minority?
I know you and your "alliance" (AtlasDOT) is not an american alliance (fail), but if you know of, or read American history, you'll know the North always wins.
Crap, I knew it was a bad idea to feed the trolls 
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Liz Lucas
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Posted - 2011.04.03 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Jordan
I know you and your "alliance" (AtlasDOT) is not an american alliance (fail), but if you know of, or read American history, you'll know the North always wins.
+1
I guess this guy from atlasFAIL, err AtlasDOT.fail err whatever, can't do math, or just needs to RAGE-QUIT. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.04.03 05:08:00 -
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I agree that the Goonswarm Federation is a problem for the CSM, but I think the problem lies in human nature. While having an electoral college sounds good in theory, in practice it fails due to the overwhelming ineptitude of the masses under it to elect reasonable delegates at any level, let alone at the foundation where it matters most. How do you fix it? Sad to say, I think the only way is to keep educating people while implementing changes wherever you can that force them out of their secure little bubble of complacency.
I don't expect the problem to go away for millions of years, simply because I think it lies at the heart of our species and will require some serious mental evolution before it is fixed.
Until then, we deal with it as best we can. I support the idea of the electoral college. Does that mean I support this thread? I think so but I'm not sure. I'll thumb it up anyway.
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Spazz21
Amarr
Angha
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Posted - 2011.04.03 07:12:00 -
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Do you really expect people to vote on this and have it win? He won with the most votes... do the math. People wanted him so they voted for him. It wasn't just the goons that voted for him.
And to vote him out just because he is a goon? All you would need to do is change Goon to a race and you are a racist. I imagine people voted for him because he has a lot of experience with null sec politics. And personally I am looking forward in seeing what he does.
On the flip side Mr. Atlas... do you think anyone would want to vote for Atlas? If memory serves me correctly, when the Old Atlas got invaded... They took it up the rear and they surrendered some Titans and Super Carriers, a very large amount of isk, their space and their name. What did they get out of it? Nothing useful it seems. Better off making a run for it and suicide the Super Caps and get default insurance payout and reform later.
And one vote per alliance? really? Let's not drink and post random crap cuz it seemed like a cool idea at the time next time, mmmkay? Thhhhaaannnks.
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2011.04.03 07:14:00 -
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your suffering and incoherence pleases me. ~1700 votes for me came from GSF, the rest from the community as a whole
more threads like this please, i require a constant supply of agony to maintain interest in this game~
The Mittani for CSM6
Sins of a Solar Spymaster
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Eldaec
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Posted - 2011.04.03 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tronjay the'3rd
It is obvious The Mittani is chosen NOT because of his view on EVE, but just because of the mere fact that he is a Goon.
Goons voted blindly for their representative, hoping that his election into CSM6 will benefit just Goons&friends in the near future.
There is a lot of stupid in this post, but in particular, you do realise that the Mittani got more votes than there are Goons despite half the goon votes presumably going to Vile Rat? He also received more votes than anyone ever in the history of CSM elections. He is literally the Sun King of EVE.
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Maybe only 1 vote per alliance and/or Corporation?
Jesus christ, stop posting.
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.04.03 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
in practice it fails due to the overwhelming ineptitude of the masses under it to elect reasonable delegates at any level
Ah yes, the typical whine I hear often when an idiot is describing people who vote for the "other" political party.
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Eve Orwell
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
your suffering and incoherence pleases me. ~1700 votes for me came from GSF, the rest from the community as a whole
more threads like this please, i require a constant supply of agony to maintain interest in this game~
was wondering if you were gonna show up to this hilarious thread
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:52:00 -
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Don't you want to wait to see how he performs before complaining?
Mittani got elected because lots of people voted for him, that's democracy for you.
There's a lot more people who haven't voted and goons only account for a relatively small subset of the total playerbase, so we'll see what the future brings.
And it's true that it's harder for smaller alliances (or member of no alliances, as I was when I got elected the first 2 times) to get in, but it's possible.
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