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Egor SMERSH	Posted - 2011.03.30 09:29:00 - [1] Im for donations to Japan but do not use PLEX for donations. CCP should set up a donation program so players can donate money. Why didnt CCP set up a money donation program? Because it would cost them money and time to set up the program. Its easier for them to donate PLEX and write it off on thier taxes. Do you really think all the money from PLEX for Good goes to Japan? Thier are handling, overhead and any other costs CCP can think of to add to their bottom line. Why should you care? PLEX donation programs unfairly effect EVE players. The PLEX prices in game have gone from 325 million to over 375 million ISK. The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it!
Blind Man Caldari Point Blank Carebears	Posted - 2011.03.30 09:31:00 - [2] ITT: QQ CUZ PLEX COST MOAR NOW
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.03.30 09:32:00 - [3] You're a lump.
Vad SMIRSH	Posted - 2011.03.30 09:35:00 - [4] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue You're a lump. but...
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.30 09:35:00 - [5] Originally by: Egor SMERSH Its easier for them to donate PLEX and write it off on thier taxes. Not true. They're NOT writing anything off, they're donating in the name of the "EVE community" instead of their own name, and they also donate the full price of a PLEX for every PLEX they donate, that means they're compensating out of their own pocket for all taxes they already paid. So, there. Source ? Google it with " site:eveonline.com" at the end. You'll find the corresponding dev post or blog or whatever it was where they said it. Too lazy to do it myself right now. Quote: Why should you care? PLEX donation programs unfairly effect EVE players. The PLEX prices in game have gone from 325 million to over 375 million ISK. The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it! Meh. Care levels critically low about that part of its impact. Also, high PLEX price means less RMTers but also less subscribers. So CCP is actually doing a double minor sacrifice there. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Hooch Flux Caldari	Posted - 2011.03.30 09:38:00 - [6] Originally by: Egor SMERSH The PLEX prices in game have gone from 325 million to over 375 million ISK. The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it! Lol, good, I think they should double!
Gavjack Bunk Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.03.30 09:47:00 - [7] Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 30/03/2011 09:47:21 Perhaps one reason people like PLEX for GOOD because it means they don't have to donate anything, but they get to vicariously feel good riding on the back of what the Eve Community has donated. I doubt you'd find much support for a rolling 10% price hike for real money subscription fee with the cash been siphoned off to charity. There would surely be a lot of really good arguments against such a move. I feel for the people who genuinely pay to play with PLEX, but it's just your turn in the barrel. Just imagine that it's actually you in Japan helping people and not the ****ers on here simply taking credit for it while laughing at you.
Tasha Baxter Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2011.03.30 09:52:00 - [8] Those damn disaster victims ey OP?
Egor SMERSH	Posted - 2011.03.30 11:50:00 - [9] Edited by: Egor SMERSH on 30/03/2011 11:50:51 I thought I would get more response from you do-gooders. I actually purchased all my PLEX a few months ago so I did not get hit by the high prices. If you do-gooders are willing to pay the high price for PLEX its okay by me.
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.03.30 12:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Akita T high PLEX price means less RMTers Which is the very reason your favorite Dr. was thinking of placing a minimum price for PLEX to reduce the potential income of RMTers. so i herd I GOT SCAMMED BY DEVS ON THE PUBCRAWL where was the hßkarl?
Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.30 13:17:00 - [11] Originally by: Skippermonkey Originally by: Akita T high PLEX price means less RMTers Which is the very reason your favorite Dr. was thinking of placing a minimum price for PLEX to reduce the potential income of RMTers. so i herd Except that's completely contrary to what CCP has been trying to do. They want to ELIMINATE all Minimum and Maximum prices (see the change of NPC goods for example).
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.30 13:23:00 - [12] Meh, the futility of CCP trying to actually control the price of PLEX through _direct_ intervention is discussed in depth over in MD. So I really don't care what the doc would like to do, he doesn't get to do it as long as there's still any sane people left in the decision chain. Let's hope there's at least one. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Ovella	Posted - 2011.03.30 13:25:00 - [13] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Originally by: Skippermonkey Originally by: Akita T high PLEX price means less RMTers Which is the very reason your favorite Dr. was thinking of placing a minimum price for PLEX to reduce the potential income of RMTers. so i herd Except that's completely contrary to what CCP has been trying to do. They want to ELIMINATE all Minimum and Maximum prices (see the change of NPC goods for example). It never was about min/max prices, it was about dust link. As far as I'm conserned it only ****ed up economy by halfing isk sinks (isn't that what CCP supposedly are trying to balace out in the first place?).
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.03.30 13:28:00 - [14] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Except that's completely contrary to what CCP has been trying to do. They want to ELIMINATE all Minimum and Maximum prices (see the change of NPC goods for example). So? Do you want to run the gold farmers out of business or not? The ONLY way to deal with them is to mess with their operations, by adding to their risk and reducing their reward, because it is obvious that you cant ban them, they just make new accounts. Higher priced PLEX means that RMTers need to price their isk more competitively, thus reducing their profits. Maybe this is something they might have to think about I GOT SCAMMED BY DEVS ON THE PUBCRAWL where was the hßkarl?
567567	Posted - 2011.03.30 13:44:00 - [15] Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world wouldn't plex for some staving african country be more appropriate? Im sure plex for a water well or some grain would be alot better than helping an already rich country tbh. I cant see how a few grand is going to make any difference to a 150 billion dollar bill to patch japan up. A few grand would make alot of difference to a village in upper volta or somewhere.
AristotleOnassis	Posted - 2011.03.30 13:48:00 - [16] actually, when the news of earthquake of japan on the east side hit my bloomberg terminal. i did the right thing. i went into a huge short position on most japanese stocks in my universe. i also made longed yen. Little did i realise that it also causes plex price to increase substantially...... 2 weeks later! i guess there wasnt enough information. human learns from the past. next time i see a disaster on my bloomberg terminal, i shall do the right thing. long plex.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.30 14:06:00 - [17] Originally by: 567567 Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _

CCP Fallout	Posted - 2011.03.30 14:25:00 - [18] Heya Egor, I'd like to take some time to answer your concerns regarding the PLEX for Good program. You raise some valid issues/questions that many have had since the program was instituted last year, and while we do have an FAQ on the matter, it's never a bad thing to get direct interaction from someone involved closely with the program :) The reason why we use PLEX for donations is, truth be told, not everyone has cash floating around that they can donate. A lot of players have ISK to spare, but not a lot of cash on hand. By using PLEX in this way, people have a greater chance to donate to charity than they would otherwise, and a lot of players have expressed this to us, both on the forums and directly. PLEX for Good, therefore, is a good way to allow players to help those in need when they can't otherwise. Do we write this off on our taxes? Not at all. All donations are made in the name of the EVE Online community. We simply cut the check for 100% of the proceeds. We absorb the costs for VAT (if applicable), credit card fees companies charge us, overhead (I donate my time working for this, as do the GMs and other persons working on this program) etc. No profit is made by us, either via tax breaks or otherwise, with this program. To reiterate, 100% of each and every PLEX goes to the Red Cross. No money is lost, no profit is made. Regarding the cost of PLEX during drives: during my presentation on charity to the CSM during the CSM Summit in December, both Doc and I addressed this concern. Here is what the meeting minutes said on this matter (note: the CSM wrote this, not CCP): Quote: CCP has polled players regarding concerns about this program. One major concern is whether charitable giving causes a significant rise in the ISK value of PLEX. However, CCP statistics on PLEX costs do not appear to show a significant correlation between charity drives and PLEX price increases, and PLEX bought to donate are not a large part of the total volume of PLEX transactions. However, CSM noted that the perception that PLEX can be used for purposes like Charity and FanFest tickets (and thus, there will be greater demand for PLEX) could drive prices upwards due to speculation. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

567567	Posted - 2011.03.30 14:39:00 - [19] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: 567567 Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse. So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me. Like i said, jumping on the bandwagon to help a rich country when theres never a mention of all the poor countries in Africa is just hypocritical. In case you've spent to much time in your moms basement or chose to ignore the plight of people in Zimbabwe, theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa. You do realise that people in Zimbabwe are now forced to eat wood just to survive. Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries?
Skippermonkey Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.03.30 14:42:00 - [20] Originally by: 567567 stuff The difference there is that money sent to Zimbabwe would just end up in the hands of hte 'ruling elite', where as it could be put to good use in Japan. Also, Japan isnt in need of a regime change, where as Zimbabwe... I GOT SCAMMED BY DEVS ON THE PUBCRAWL where was the hßkarl?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.30 14:56:00 - [21] Originally by: 567567 So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me. I'm just saying that Japan is in deep economic doodoo. Quote: theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa The only thing about Africa I might care about is the flow of natural resources. Quote: Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries? IMO neither does, but that's just my opinion. I don't do charity. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Raid'En	Posted - 2011.03.30 15:10:00 - [22] Edited by: Raid''En on 30/03/2011 15:11:16 you answered some OP's trolling / legal questions, but not the more obvious one... Originally by: Egor SMERSH Im for donations to Japan but do not use PLEX for donations. CCP should set up a donation program so players can donate money. you don't need CCP as intermediate to donate real money, you can do it by yourself. and moreover you can choose to which organization you want to donate. you however need CCP to accept donating though PLEX, as obviously noone care about ISK except IG. that's why they use donation though plex and don't offer to do it with real money ---------------- Wormhole Trading
Minamel Stardust Heavy Industries Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.03.30 15:11:00 - [23] This Plexfor good thing is a chance to achive something good (and money for Redcross is something good, there are no rational argument aggainst) in a game that is beside of such a possibility 100% entertainment and without any real use. Of course not everybody is ready to give something for good even not "worthless" virtual money and that is ok. But people that are so selfish that they emorage abbout a plexrise of 20-30 Mil because others doing something good... I just cant find words for such a behavior! Unbelievable! If you cant effort eve without a cheap plex go for a job and dont waste your time playing!! I alrdy spent abbout 2,5 Billion and are broke now if i could i now would donate 10 more Plex. This time not to help but to bother such selfish people with even more rising prices!
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.03.30 15:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Egor SMERSH Its easier for them to donate PLEX and write it off on thier taxes. Not true. They're NOT writing anything off, they're donating in the name of the "EVE community" instead of their own name, and they also donate the full price of a PLEX for every PLEX they donate, that means they're compensating out of their own pocket for all taxes they already paid. So, there. Source ? Google it with " site:eveonline.com" at the end. You'll find the corresponding dev post or blog or whatever it was where they said it. Too lazy to do it myself right now. Quote: Why should you care? PLEX donation programs unfairly effect EVE players. The PLEX prices in game have gone from 325 million to over 375 million ISK. The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it! Meh. Care levels critically low about that part of its impact. Also, high PLEX price means less RMTers but also less subscribers. So CCP is actually doing a double minor sacrifice there. You lazy man, you! - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
The Old Chap	Posted - 2011.03.30 15:24:00 - [25] Originally by: 567567 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: 567567 Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse. So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me. Like i said, jumping on the bandwagon to help a rich country when theres never a mention of all the poor countries in Africa is just hypocritical. In case you've spent to much time in your moms basement or chose to ignore the plight of people in Zimbabwe, theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa. You do realise that people in Zimbabwe are now forced to eat wood just to survive. Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries? Doh! Do you really think giving money to Zimbabwe would help anyone except the corrupt officials? The newsfeeds show thousands of people in Japan who have lost everything inthe Tsunami. They're not rich, and that is where the help from plex will go. You can use your isk to help these poor peeps in Japan, or buy some virtual wotsits to play with on your own computer. Whatever floats your boat, but please don't patronise players who have different values to your own.
567567	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:05:00 - [26] Originally by: The Old Chap Whatever floats your boat, but please don't patronise players who have different values to your own. I'll type this as clearly as possible since you either have a short attention span or are to lazy or old to read. I'm not patronising anyone for giving plex for Japan. What i do find is that the second theres a major disaster reported on the news people start with the "plex for this" and yet THERES A DISASTER GOING ON EVERY DAY IN AFRICA to which not one of you would donate a pot to **** in. Zimbabwe is one country in Africa, i apologise for selecting the wrong country to fit into your ideals. The majority of countries in that continent suffer from the most extreme poverty 365 days a year. How many times has CCP or any of you run a "plex for africa" or "plex for food" or even "plex for a water well" scheme ? Exactly If the sum total of all the plex's adds up to lets say $20000 thats a paltry amount compared to the 150 billion dollars needed to rebuild japan. I dont know where you live but where im sitting i cant even get a new roof for that amount let alone a replacement for a japanese house. However, if the $20000 was sent to Togo, Ivory Coast, Sudan Zaire then it has a much greater impact i.e an entire community can benefit for many years to come. I speak from experience having done 18 sponsored walks/runs & boiled egg eating marathons in the REAL WORLD, rather than donating a plex which can be made in 10 minutes trading. The only thing i see going on here is that a bunch of people want a quick fix to make themselves feel good without any real thought or effort. I honestly feel that this just acts as free advertisment for CCP games who are a company that makes massive profits. TL:DR For the old man: Japan can afford to rebuild its country no problem since its is very wealthy, plex for good should run all year for more deserving causes.
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 30/03/2011 09:52:46 Perhaps one reason people like PLEX for GOOD because it means they don't have to donate anything, but they get to vicariously feel good riding on the back of what the Eve Community has donated. I doubt you'd find much support for a rolling 10% price hike for real money subscription fee with the cash being siphoned off to charity. There would surely be a lot of really good arguments against such a move. I feel for the people who genuinely pay to play with PLEX, but it's just your turn in the barrel. Just imagine that it's actually you in Japan helping people and not the ****ers on here simply taking credit for it while laughing at you. Actually, its because some people in this game are quite rich, but not too well off in real life. It lets everybody donate. And of course, those of us who are able to donate real money, can do so as well. There's no such thing as overkill, only degrees of effectiveness.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:08:00 - [28] There is a disaster going on in my wallet... please donate plex to me! Ahem... But seriously... donate some to me... ________________________________________________
Lumps McGee	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:12:00 - [29] Quote: The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it! Exactly how many lumps are in this sandbox? I'm the only Lumps that I know of.
Jireel	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:21:00 - [30] Originally by: 567567 Originally by: The Old Chap Whatever floats your boat, but please don't patronise players who have different values to your own. I'll type this as clearly as possible since you either have a short attention span or are to lazy or old to read. I'm not patronising anyone for giving plex for Japan. What i do find is that the second theres a major disaster reported on the news people start with the "plex for this" and yet THERES A DISASTER GOING ON EVERY DAY IN AFRICA to which not one of you would donate a pot to ** in. Zimbabwe is one country in Africa, i apologise for selecting the wrong country to fit into your ideals. The majority of countries in that continent suffer from the most extreme poverty 365 days a year. How many times has CCP or any of you run a "plex for africa" or "plex for food" or even "plex for a water well" scheme ? Exactly If the sum total of all the plex's adds up to lets say $20000 thats a paltry amount compared to the 150 billion dollars needed to rebuild japan. I dont know where you live but where im sitting i cant even get a new roof for that amount let alone a replacement for a japanese house. However, if the $20000 was sent to Togo, Ivory Coast, Sudan Zaire then it has a much greater impact i.e an entire community can benefit for many years to come. I speak from experience having done 18 sponsored walks/runs & boiled egg eating marathons in the REAL WORLD, rather than donating a plex which can be made in 10 minutes trading. The only thing i see going on here is that a bunch of people want a quick fix to make themselves feel good without any real thought or effort. I honestly feel that this just acts as free advertisment for CCP games who are a company that makes massive profits. TL:DR For the old man: Japan can afford to rebuild its country no problem since its is very wealthy, plex for good should run all year for more deserving causes. If you go that way, I'm telling you I'd never donate any penny to Africa, they can murder the ** out of themselves using another money than mine. They need manpower and direct human help, not money.
Myra2007 Millstone Industries	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:45:00 - [31] Originally by: 567567 I'm not patronising anyone for giving plex for Japan. Yes, yes you do. Repeatedly with lots of words. Now go troll somewhere else with your love for Africa. No one is going to believe that an obvious douchebag like you actually does any charity at all - be it in real life or ingame. -- Originally by: Professor Slocombe I will only buy tickets if the prize is your stuff and you leave Eve. Forever. You irritating self obsessed cretin.
mkmin	Posted - 2011.03.30 18:52:00 - [32] And I'm sure CCP doesn't release info about the PLEX drives to every major news outlet in the world (even Home and Garden Monthly.) CCP might be out a day's worth of income in PLEXes but however much they ***** themselves out to the news, they fully expect to make it back in new subs. CCP does nothing if it does not draw in $.
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:13:00 - [33] I dontate Directly to charities I know. PFG in and of itself is not a charity in any sence of the word. that said, Its all good as far as I care. and frankly if you want to donate directly to the orginisations that do charity work, going through an entertainment company to do so is exceedingly silly at best. if you need to, contact a reputable chairty directly, or if your not sure about thoes, check with your local church or your national Red Cross/Red Cressent. and theres orginisations like Charity navigator that rate various charitys if your not sure about a given charity. .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Akita T Meh, the futility of CCP trying to actually control the price of PLEX through _direct_ intervention is discussed in depth over in MD. So I really don't care what the doc would like to do, he doesn't get to do it as long as there's still any sane people left in the decision chain. Let's hope there's at least one. Ok Granted "Councelor Troy"(aka Dr Enyo) can be incomprehensible at best when he gets excited while talking, but I was fairly sure he was talking about a "NATURAL" floor price for plex, Ie the point where it cant get any lower because people will kick in and buy. NOT A CCP DICTATED PRICE FOR PLEX(unless someone has a clear copy they can point me to where he said otherwise, I hate having to deal with oughly 7 hours of jetlag) .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:35:00 - [35] and no I am refering to something besides the ECB thing. honestly people when has CCP NOT directly poked its nose into things to tweek the markets, they do so every 3-6 months or so at least. .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Dalmont Delantee Gallente British Legion	Posted - 2011.03.30 19:39:00 - [36] Sorry Zimbabwe ***ed them selves up by listening to an insane dictator. Unfortunately the west cannot get involved in that because all the otehr african countries are protecting them - south africa is or was good friends with Mr Mugabe, as were the UK (where I'm from) before he went totally bonkers. The whole of africa is a total mess because of a number of reasons, one being turned into colonies and being kept that way, other the totally insane tribalism that happens there and how everyone thinks the first thing you should do is pick up and machette and chop each other to pieces. If that isn't happening, corruption is. I have plenty of nigerian, zimbabwe and south african friends (both here in the uk and south africa) that have given me this impression and one reason they don't live there any more (other than starvation obviously) Take comfort in knowing that its probably some pimply faced twit, or 40 year old virgin, who gleens everytime mommy offfers to take them to needle point lessons*
Florestan Bronstein Amarr Taishi Combine	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:06:00 - [37] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 30/03/2011 20:06:05 Originally by: 567567 So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me. Japan is a poor state (that has been trapped in continued economic stagnation since the 90s). But its population is rather wealthy.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:21:00 - [38] Originally by: 567567 Originally by: The Old Chap Whatever floats your boat, but please don't patronise players who have different values to your own. I'll type this as clearly as possible since you either have a short attention span or are to lazy or old to read. I'm not patronising anyone for giving plex for Japan. What i do find is that the second theres a major disaster reported on the news people start with the "plex for this" and yet THERES A DISASTER GOING ON EVERY DAY IN AFRICA to which not one of you would donate a pot to **** in. Zimbabwe is one country in Africa, i apologise for selecting the wrong country to fit into your ideals. The majority of countries in that continent suffer from the most extreme poverty 365 days a year. How many times has CCP or any of you run a "plex for africa" or "plex for food" or even "plex for a water well" scheme ? Exactly If the sum total of all the plex's adds up to lets say $20000 thats a paltry amount compared to the 150 billion dollars needed to rebuild japan. I dont know where you live but where im sitting i cant even get a new roof for that amount let alone a replacement for a japanese house. However, if the $20000 was sent to Togo, Ivory Coast, Sudan Zaire then it has a much greater impact i.e an entire community can benefit for many years to come. I speak from experience having done 18 sponsored walks/runs & boiled egg eating marathons in the REAL WORLD, rather than donating a plex which can be made in 10 minutes trading. The only thing i see going on here is that a bunch of people want a quick fix to make themselves feel good without any real thought or effort. I honestly feel that this just acts as free advertisment for CCP games who are a company that makes massive profits. TL:DR For the old man: Japan can afford to rebuild its country no problem since its is very wealthy, plex for good should run all year for more deserving causes. I didn't realize African lives were more important than Japanese lives. What say we drop by one of the shelters that has no power, medicine, or running water and let those folks know that they don't need anything as Japan is a wealthy nation. Of course, we may have to wait to get their attention in between having their children scanned for radiation and all. Those PEOPLE are in need, I could care less about their government and their economy. Many nations in Africa (and other places around the globe) are worthy candidates as well... but you can't help everyone all the time. Playing the "my favorite charity is more worthy than yours" game is a foolish (not to mention insulting) waste of time. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Idicious Lightbane Percussive Diplomacy	Posted - 2011.03.30 21:08:00 - [39] Originally by: 567567 Originally by: The Old Chap Whatever floats your boat, but please don't patronise players who have different values to your own. I'll type this as clearly as possible since you either have a short attention span or are to lazy or old to read. I'm not patronising anyone for giving plex for Japan. What i do find is that the second theres a major disaster reported on the news people start with the "plex for this" and yet THERES A DISASTER GOING ON EVERY DAY IN AFRICA to which not one of you would donate a pot to **** in. Zimbabwe is one country in Africa, i apologise for selecting the wrong country to fit into your ideals. The majority of countries in that continent suffer from the most extreme poverty 365 days a year. How many times has CCP or any of you run a "plex for africa" or "plex for food" or even "plex for a water well" scheme ? Exactly If the sum total of all the plex's adds up to lets say $20000 thats a paltry amount compared to the 150 billion dollars needed to rebuild japan. I dont know where you live but where im sitting i cant even get a new roof for that amount let alone a replacement for a japanese house. However, if the $20000 was sent to Togo, Ivory Coast, Sudan Zaire then it has a much greater impact i.e an entire community can benefit for many years to come. I speak from experience having done 18 sponsored walks/runs & boiled egg eating marathons in the REAL WORLD, rather than donating a plex which can be made in 10 minutes trading. The only thing i see going on here is that a bunch of people want a quick fix to make themselves feel good without any real thought or effort. I honestly feel that this just acts as free advertisment for CCP games who are a company that makes massive profits. TL:DR For the old man: Japan can afford to rebuild its country no problem since its is very wealthy, plex for good should run all year for more deserving causes. I don't get riled up easily but this is despicable. You do realize some people do not have a lot of money in real life but are rather wealthy in game, the PLEX is then converted at full 100% monetary value and donated in money to the Red Cross thus is actually giving money to charities. Be it raised either through work in RL at a good paying job, doing sponsored walks or through in-game work (and if a PLEX is 10 minutes work for you, you could donate most likely far more money with far less work involved through the PLEX system) it is all ways of donating to a reputable charity. And as has been said, Africa does not need money, it needs people there who will help/teach the people support themselves. I give to several such charities myself and have actually been to Africa for relief work. Is it needed, yes, but the way you are looking down on people who from the good of their hearts are giving to a nation in need is just horrible.
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:33:00 - [40] Originally by: CCP Fallout Quote: ... CCP statistics on PLEX costs do not appear to show a significant correlation between charity drives and PLEX price increases, ... CSM noted that the perception that PLEX can be used for purposes like Charity and FanFest tickets (and thus, there will be greater demand for PLEX) could drive prices upwards due to speculation. Typical Central bank - We make the rules, and you silly humans adapt to it, we're not to blame, you are. The Real Space Initiative - V7
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.03.30 22:43:00 - [41] Originally by: Steve Thomas Originally by: Akita T Meh, the futility of CCP trying to actually control the price of PLEX through _direct_ intervention is discussed in depth over in MD. So I really don't care what the doc would like to do, he doesn't get to do it as long as there's still any sane people left in the decision chain. Let's hope there's at least one. Ok Granted "Councelor Troy"(aka Dr Enyo) can be incomprehensible at best when he gets excited while talking, but I was fairly sure he was talking about a "NATURAL" floor price for plex, Ie the point where it cant get any lower because people will kick in and buy. NOT A CCP DICTATED PRICE FOR PLEX(unless someone has a clear copy they can point me to where he said otherwise, I hate having to deal with oughly 7 hours of jetlag) Yeah, it was a pretty confusing part of the talk, IIRC, it went something like "we may or may not intervene in the PLEX market in order to stabilize it"... we'll (probably) have to wait for the official HD youtube uploads to see what he said exactly (that is, if there's no attendee-filmed one already up). Still, MD latched on to the "we may intervene" part of it and started speculating "what if". _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.30 23:38:00 - [42] Edited by: Steve Thomas on 30/03/2011 23:38:59 Originally by: Akita T Yeah, it was a pretty confusing part of the talk, IIRC, it went something like "we may or may not intervene in the PLEX market in order to stabilize it"... we'll (probably) have to wait for the official HD youtube uploads to see what he said exactly (that is, if there's no attendee-filmed one already up). Still, MD latched on to the "we may intervene" part of it and started speculating "what if". ok what I was thinking of was something then reguarding floor or flood priceing.(goes youtube surfing) I hate jetlag. by the way the offical vids are up on the semi offical sight, but not showing up on the CCPGames sight . .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Zero taxes corps are easy to make	Posted - 2011.03.31 00:27:00 - [43] Originally by: Aiwha Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 30/03/2011 09:52:46 Perhaps one reason people like PLEX for GOOD because it means they don't have to donate anything, but they get to vicariously feel good riding on the back of what the Eve Community has donated. I doubt you'd find much support for a rolling 10% price hike for real money subscription fee with the cash being siphoned off to charity. There would surely be a lot of really good arguments against such a move. I feel for the people who genuinely pay to play with PLEX, but it's just your turn in the barrel. Just imagine that it's actually you in Japan helping people and not the ****ers on here simply taking credit for it while laughing at you. Actually, its because some people in this game are quite rich, but not too well off in real life. It lets everybody donate. And of course, those of us who are able to donate real money, can do so as well. I said "perhaps". You said "actually". Therefore you must be right.
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.03.31 00:49:00 - [44] CCP is desperate to get rid of the excess PLEX in the economy to try to avoid a crash. Next charity "PLEX for Noah's blow", you heard it here first.
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.31 01:24:00 - [45] Edited by: Steve Thomas on 31/03/2011 01:25:07 actualy they want more crashes. thoes crashes are the things that cause people to go oh let me buy 2-3 and turn them in. The reality is that sales have always been ahead of demand. but realy, surplus usualy gets burned off by crashes and by the slow increase in subs. its only when people go nuts with snatching up plexes durring bubbles that causes any real increase in supply, and thoes get snached up by people who go ohh thoes are dirt cheep let me pay for 2=3 months worth of subs this way. Frankly they are a lot more interested in the somewhat ginourmous mineral/item stockpile thats hanging around all over from speculators, market manipulators, stockpilers, packraters and people who did not get around to scraping the crap yet, than plex, because THAT(minerals) stockpile is roughly enough that you could stop all mining in eve right now, 8:24 US Central and people would just start to notice shortages in T1 production around sometime in mid-late August. .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.31 01:31:00 - [46] note, the above is based on previously published By ccp market info, quarterly reports, coments on the results of the Bot raid, and looking onto the resulting market impacts. .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Awesome Possum Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.03.31 01:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Egor SMERSH Edited by: Egor SMERSH on 30/03/2011 12:06:26 Edited by: Egor SMERSH on 30/03/2011 12:02:30 Im for donations to Japan but do not use PLEX for donations. CCP should set up a donation program so players can donate money. Why didnt CCP set up a money donation program? Because it would cost them money and time to set up the program. Its easier for them to donate PLEX and write it off on thier taxes. Do you really think all the money from PLEX for Good goes to Japan? Thier are handling, overhead and any other costs CCP can think of to add to their bottom line. Why should you care? PLEX donation programs unfairly effect EVE players. The PLEX prices in game have gone from 325 million to over 375 million ISK. The sandbox now has a lot more lumps in it! I thought I would get more response from you do-gooders. I actually purchased all my PLEX a few months ago so I did not get hit by the high prices. If you do-gooders are willing to pay the high price for PLEX its okay by me. I also think CCP should sell PLEX with an NPC so the prices stay the same. Way to post with no proof of what you're saying. Here's a tinfoil hat, now go stfu. As for selling PLEX via NPC, plex is in game for a specific reason and selling 'em via NPC would totally negate that. You're just a cheap whiner who wants cheap plex. Shut up. Originally by: CCP Fallout You raise some valid issues/questions. I beg to disagree Fallout, he's just being a whiner. He has an agenda and that is that. ♥
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.31 02:11:00 - [48] Fallout has been around the block on this a lot of times Especialy with people like Akita and myself. he knows when hes being manuverd, and we know when they are manuvering us. for us, its most of the fun. .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Sryan	Posted - 2011.03.31 02:31:00 - [49] According to CCP about 1400 PLEXes have been collected so far ( with still 22 hours on the clock till donation time ) that would translate in about 1680 food packages and 840 blankets for people who have lost everything and its about 5 degrees celcius at night if you ppl don't like this because it has influence on the PLEX market, because you think japan is wealthy enough, or you would rather see it go to african warlords, then you have no hearts
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2011.03.31 03:56:00 - [50] Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 31/03/2011 03:57:21 Originally by: Sryan if you ppl don't like this because it has influence on the PLEX market, because you think japan is wealthy enough, or you would rather see it go to african warlords, then you have no hearts You don't have one either if you go off making blanket statements like that. You've no idea what someone has or has not done. Charity is not about getting credit for it nor is it about promoting guilt. The Real Space Initiative - V7
Steve Thomas Minmatar	Posted - 2011.03.31 04:12:00 - [51] I live in Houston. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=12671287&PIpi=2373800 That monument sits on top of a 17 ft high seawall that was erected after the 1900 huricane did its level best to erase a city that untill September 8 of that year was known Globaly as the New York of the South.on Sept 7 Houston was almost literaly the little kid in his cubscout uniforn tooting his horn in a parade as a entire USMC Brigade marches by in parade uniform compared to Galveston. After that day Houston became the most important city in Texas and is now the 4th largest metropolitan area in the US. For all intents the entire county of Galveston is now just a fairly minor suburb of Houston. You do not want to be in the same room with me and say that a country that takes a hit like Japan took and is takeing can afford to do it by itself. Anyone who honestly is a Houstonian knows better. .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
Egor SMERSH	Posted - 2011.03.31 04:33:00 - [52] I did not expect a response from a GM about this subject. I wrote the thread to stir the pot and get everyones juices flowing. Actually Im not for or aqainst using PLEX to help disaster victims. I think if CCP set up a money donation program they would get a good response from the EVE community.
Taedrin Gallente The Green Cross Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.03.31 04:43:00 - [53] Originally by: 567567 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: 567567 Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse. So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me. That's because people like you think you can borrow your way out of debt, or that money you borrow doesn't have to eventually be paid back. Or at the very best, you think that it can be paid of tomorrow and tomorrow will never come. Quote: Like i said, jumping on the bandwagon to help a rich country when theres never a mention of all the poor countries in Africa is just hypocritical. In case you've spent to much time in your moms basement or chose to ignore the plight of people in Zimbabwe, theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa. You do realise that people in Zimbabwe are now forced to eat wood just to survive. Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries? Seems somewhat related IMO Heaven forbid that someone do something nice. Would you prefer that people did nothing at all? Don't look a gift-horse in the mouth. ---------- Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident" Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.03.31 04:50:00 - [54] Originally by: 567567 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: 567567 Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse. So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me. Like i said, jumping on the bandwagon to help a rich country when theres never a mention of all the poor countries in Africa is just hypocritical. In case you've spent to much time in your moms basement or chose to ignore the plight of people in Zimbabwe, theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa. You do realise that people in Zimbabwe are now forced to eat wood just to survive. Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries? You tell me how to NOT fund Mugabe and I'll donate plex. Life ain't pretty, don't be an idiot. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Zero taxes corps are easy to make	Posted - 2011.03.31 08:50:00 - [55] Originally by: Caius Sivaris CCP is desperate to get rid of the excess PLEX in the economy to try to avoid a crash. Next charity "PLEX for Noah's blow", you heard it here first. Drugs are pretty important to drug addicts. Botting for Highs. Yeah I could get on board with that.
Awesome Possum Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS	Posted - 2011.03.31 09:08:00 - [56] Quote: In case you've spent to much time in your moms basement or chose to ignore the plight of people in Zimbabwe, theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa. You do realise that people in Zimbabwe are now forced to eat wood just to survive. When you donate to charity for africa, you're giving money/food/aid to the dictators that are the cause of the problem in the first place. ♥
Denzien Omega	Posted - 2011.05.11 13:59:00 - [57] Edited by: Denzien Omega on 11/05/2011 14:00:54 Originally by: CCP Fallout Heya Egor, I'd like to take some time to answer your concerns regarding the PLEX for Good program. You raise some valid issues/questions that many have had since the program was instituted last year, and while we do have an FAQ on the matter, it's never a bad thing to get direct interaction from someone involved closely with the program :) The reason why we use PLEX for donations is, truth be told, not everyone has cash floating around that they can donate. A lot of players have ISK to spare, but not a lot of cash on hand. By using PLEX in this way, people have a greater chance to donate to charity than they would otherwise, and a lot of players have expressed this to us, both on the forums and directly. PLEX for Good, therefore, is a good way to allow players to help those in need when they can't otherwise. Do we write this off on our taxes? Not at all. All donations are made in the name of the EVE Online community. We simply cut the check for 100% of the proceeds. We absorb the costs for VAT (if applicable), credit card fees companies charge us, overhead (I donate my time working for this, as do the GMs and other persons working on this program) etc. No profit is made by us, either via tax breaks or otherwise, with this program. To reiterate, 100% of each and every PLEX goes to the Red Cross. No money is lost, no profit is made. Regarding the cost of PLEX during drives: during my presentation on charity to the CSM during the CSM Summit in December, both Doc and I addressed this concern. Here is what the meeting minutes said on this matter (note: the CSM wrote this, not CCP): Quote: CCP has polled players regarding concerns about this program. One major concern is whether charitable giving causes a significant rise in the ISK value of PLEX. However, CCP statistics on PLEX costs do not appear to show a significant correlation between charity drives and PLEX price increases, and PLEX bought to donate are not a large part of the total volume of PLEX transactions. However, CSM noted that the perception that PLEX can be used for purposes like Charity and FanFest tickets (and thus, there will be greater demand for PLEX) could drive prices upwards due to speculation. It sounds like Capitalism to me...If they wanted to encourage ppl to donate the price should stay the same...but there are ppl out there that will try to make a profit off of someone's misfortune....regardless if its real money or isk. I can see the price of plex going up for this reason very easily...almost 100 mil in fact over a period of 6 months. Thats the players making the prices not CCP. 6 Months ago I would have had no problem donating a plex. Now...I cant justify the cost. The cash price of plex stays the same...so should the ingame cost.
Denzien Omega	Posted - 2011.05.11 14:33:00 - [58] Edited by: Denzien Omega on 11/05/2011 14:36:21 Originally by: Apollo Gabriel Originally by: 567567 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: 567567 Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse. So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me. Like i said, jumping on the bandwagon to help a rich country when theres never a mention of all the poor countries in Africa is just hypocritical. In case you've spent to much time in your moms basement or chose to ignore the plight of people in Zimbabwe, theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa. You do realise that people in Zimbabwe are now forced to eat wood just to survive. Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries? You tell me how to NOT fund Mugabe and I'll donate plex. Life ain't pretty, don't be an idiot. Dude how can you say that....u act like you've never seen a unicef or a CCF commercial in ur life....thats all they talk about. 25 cents a day and someone can goto school and eat good food. Your donation with help this child or this child or even little zaboomafoo who can goto school and drink clean water. I think u spend too much time in that basement.
Ludacrys	Posted - 2011.05.11 15:17:00 - [59] **** japan, i want cheap plex
Katarina reid	Posted - 2011.05.11 15:50:00 - [60] keep plex prices low f*** them all. "In the struggle for survival, the fittest win out at the expense of their rivals because they succeed in adapting themselves best to their environment" darwin. if it floods get a boat?? home blows away try moving??
Wu Spacey	Posted - 2011.05.11 16:00:00 - [61] If PLEX heading up to 400 does you in, then get a paper round and pay the subscription, because you cant afford PLEX. Seriously 50 makes a difference?, do 4/5 average lvl 4's and you have change surely?
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.05.11 20:01:00 - [62] Charities are no good. Suppose a dog gets run over by a car because it was sitting in the middle of the road looking at the incoming car. Do you let it pass or do a surgery involving 500 stitches and putting 50 bones together so it will make 10 puppies that will also sit in the middle of the road? Same with tornadoes. It's like nobody knew tornadoes, hurricanes, floods and other **** happens in those states EVERY year. uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ [yellow]Signature removed. Please submit a petition for fu
Ludacrys	Posted - 2011.05.11 23:25:00 - [63] Personally i will never understand why people empathize with people from half around the globe who they will never meet or get to know. If you have 15 bucks and want to help someone just buy something for someone you know and care about
Shira Elan	Posted - 2011.05.12 00:26:00 - [64] Originally by: 567567 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: 567567 Considering that japan is the third richest country in the world Their debt BEFORE the earthquake/tsunami was 228% of their GDP. Which was already BEYOND bad. Now it's worse. So your saying Japan is a poor country? News to me. Like i said, jumping on the bandwagon to help a rich country when theres never a mention of all the poor countries in Africa is just hypocritical. In case you've spent to much time in your moms basement or chose to ignore the plight of people in Zimbabwe, theres a disaster going on everyday of every year in most countries in Africa. You do realise that people in Zimbabwe are now forced to eat wood just to survive. Maybe you'd care to give us one of your lengthy analyses on how japan deserves our cash over all these other desperate countries? We poured roughly 100-200mil into Haiti after the earthquake and it's still a ****hole. Money isn't the answer to every problem - it's a band aid solution when the real issues are things like dysfunctional institutions.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.05.12 01:25:00 - [65] I may be broken ATM in RL but i can donate actual money due to having a lot of isk. I like it.
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.05.12 01:29:00 - [66] Originally by: Ludacrys Personally i will never understand why people empathize with people from half around the globe who they will never meet or get to know. If you have 15 bucks and want to help someone just buy something for someone you know and care about It is becuase we are on ONE closed, round envoirment . Even if you are selfish to the bones consider the fact whatever happens to the people far away from you it will affect your life one way or the other.
Shira Elan	Posted - 2011.05.12 02:24:00 - [67] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: Ludacrys Personally i will never understand why people empathize with people from half around the globe who they will never meet or get to know. If you have 15 bucks and want to help someone just buy something for someone you know and care about It is becuase we are on ONE closed, round envoirment . Even if you are selfish to the bones consider the fact whatever happens to the people far away from you it will affect your life one way or the other. Whether the impact will be positive or negative is completely unknown. For all you know what's bad for someone elsewhere is really good for you.

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