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BadGirlPosse	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:07:00 - [1] Edited by: BadGirlPosse on 02/04/2011 07:13:38 In a .7 system Mining agent Combat mission comes up, I go get a Devoter. It has 85% on all, 90 on Expl. I am in there for 10 minutes. webbed down by an MWD Alvi frigate Scrammed by another MWD Alvi frigate and I havee 11 Battleships pumping 550 volleys at me. Yes, I lost the HIC. Think about that CCP. I have been back in your schizophrenic game for 2 days.(check the account) Doing missions from a Mining agent and you guys barf that down on me. Nobody wants you to make the game easy or a push over but think about that. Its a game, fun, relaxing. Does that seem fun and relaxing to you? Does that seem fair to you? Does that seem balaned to you? Risk Vs Reward? 1200 LP and a mill reward for that? I'm sorry. You guys are just pathetic. Is life at CCP that boring? That you need to **** people like that?
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:18:00 - [2] before the 'waah, cry more noob' and 'can i have your stuff' crowd get here, I don't have a link to a post on it but I believe they said at fanfest they are making agents give out a specific type of mission so that you won't have that happen. however, there might be something to be said for your choice of mission ship. .
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:19:00 - [3] Missioning on HIC? On mining mission? Without reading eve-survival first? Eve should be "relaxing"? U MAD?
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:19:00 - [4] Edited by: Ioci on 02/04/2011 07:21:00 U want to know whats even better? I had 2 accounts on. The other one was in a Domi, so I jumped the Domi to Ioci so I could kill the scram frigate. WRONG!! The domi got sucked to a static warp in point 90 KM away. So I couldn't even save the ****ing HIC after I found out the mission was broke! Aint that just grand.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:19:00 - [5] I like to mission with ships that have light drones, to deal with elite frigates with incredible ease... Just saying. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:22:00 - [6] Oh and for all you monday morning quarterbacks? Unless you are devs? Get out of my thread. Read the ****ing title.
Alonzo Harris	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:24:00 - [7] Thread title is wrong, should read "idiot uses completely the wrong ship for missions and loses it, now rants"
mkmin	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:26:00 - [8] Originally by: BadGirlPosse Edited by: BadGirlPosse on 02/04/2011 07:13:38 In a .7 system Mining agent Combat mission comes up, I go get a Devoter. It has 85% on all, 90 on Expl. I am in there for 10 minutes. webbed down by an MWD Alvi frigate Scrammed by another MWD Alvi frigate and I havee 11 Battleships pumping 550 volleys at me. Yes, I lost the HIC. Think about that CCP. I have been back in your schizophrenic game for 2 days.(check the account) Doing missions from a Mining agent and you guys barf that down on me. Nobody wants you to make the game easy or a push over but think about that. Its a game, fun, relaxing. Does that seem fun and relaxing to you? Does that seem fair to you? Does that seem balaned to you? Risk Vs Reward? 1200 LP and a mill reward for that? I'm sorry. You guys are just pathetic. Is life at CCP that boring? That you need to **** people like that? 1) coming soon agent divisions will be reworked to ONLY give mission types within their division (i.e. all combat, all mining, etc.) 2) Mining mission? Really? You're probably the only person in EVE who does them, but power to you I guess. 3) I'm pretty sure I know exactly what mission you're talking about. You triggered every single spawn instead of clearing one spawn branch at a time. Read the mission guides so you know exactly what to expect. eve-survival.org is a favorite. 4) They didn't really go out of their way to screw you. They just set a path that takes some preparation and research. The way they are going out of their way to screw you is by making sure that what you are doing right there is the most profitable PVE you can ever do in EVE by giving anything that actually pays well to their best friends. 5) the reward for rogue drones isn't cash and LP. It's the loot and salvage. And yeah, rogue drones missions suck. You didn't have to actually accept the mission though.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:34:00 - [9] Originally by: mkmin Originally by: BadGirlPosse Edited by: BadGirlPosse on 02/04/2011 07:13:38 In a .7 system Mining agent Combat mission comes up, I go get a Devoter. It has 85% on all, 90 on Expl. I am in there for 10 minutes. webbed down by an MWD Alvi frigate Scrammed by another MWD Alvi frigate and I havee 11 Battleships pumping 550 volleys at me. Yes, I lost the HIC. Think about that CCP. I have been back in your schizophrenic game for 2 days.(check the account) Doing missions from a Mining agent and you guys barf that down on me. Nobody wants you to make the game easy or a push over but think about that. Its a game, fun, relaxing. Does that seem fun and relaxing to you? Does that seem fair to you? Does that seem balaned to you? Risk Vs Reward? 1200 LP and a mill reward for that? I'm sorry. You guys are just pathetic. Is life at CCP that boring? That you need to ** people like that? 1) coming soon agent divisions will be reworked to ONLY give mission types within their division (i.e. all combat, all mining, etc.) 2) Mining mission? Really? You're probably the only person in EVE who does them, but power to you I guess. 3) I'm pretty sure I know exactly what mission you're talking about. You triggered every single spawn instead of clearing one spawn branch at a time. Read the mission guides so you know exactly what to expect. eve-survival.org is a favorite. 4) They didn't really go out of their way to screw you. They just set a path that takes some preparation and research. The way they are going out of their way to screw you is by making sure that what you are doing right there is the most profitable PVE you can ever do in EVE by giving anything that actually pays well to their best friends. 5) the reward for rogue drones isn't cash and LP. It's the loot and salvage. And yeah, rogue drones missions suck. You didn't have to actually accept the mission though. There was no spawn sequence. It started with 4 cruisers, they popped quick, then the scram came in and by that time I had to warp out the Domi that I had with it because it was carrying the BS dps and was going down. I wasn't expecting to warp back to the Devoter, not 90 km away. Why people would even try to excuse bad coding like this is stunning. The game is so nerfed in to oblivion its sick. We are forced to sc** the bottom of the barrel now and still get gimped. I was doing mining missions. The only combat asset I had in the area was the devoter. It tanked glorious damage. It did damn good. The Devoter was not the issue. The broken missions are.
Florestan Bronstein Amarr Taishi Combine	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Ioci There was no spawn sequence. It started with 4 cruisers, they popped quick Each of those 4 cruisers triggers a separate spawn when killed. (they don't have unique names so having a one-man fleet and tagging the 4 original cruiser can help with avoiding to shoot the remaining ones while you kill the spawns)
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Originally by: Ioci There was no spawn sequence. It started with 4 cruisers, they popped quick Each of those 4 cruisers triggers a separate spawn when killed. (they don't have unique names so having a one-man fleet and tagging the 4 original cruiser can help with avoiding to shoot the remaining ones while you kill the spawns) And this from a mining agent? So everyone who doesnt have a PHD in EvE issions and 14 bookmarks to page long tutorials on each mission can't play EvE? But this is all coolio with people who play EvE? U just don't get it do you? CCP are laughing at you.
Florestan Bronstein Amarr Taishi Combine	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:41:00 - [12] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 02/04/2011 07:44:46 Originally by: Ioci And this from a mining agent? So everyone who doesnt have a PHD in EvE issions and 14 bookmarks to page long tutorials on each mission can't play EvE? But this is all coolio with people who play EvE? U just don't get it do you? CCP are laughing at you. actually CCP is insulting my intelligence by making mission running a completely mindless chore that can be done with bots. It's me laughing at you, not CCP. edit: as of now there are no pure "mining agents" although that will probably change with the revamp of the division system. Mining: 23.85% Encounter 41.06% Courier 7.34% Trade 27.75% Mining Linkage
Tarasina	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:51:00 - [13] What about the lvl1 mining mission which spawns 500k-bounty battleships? And you have to kill em to finish the mission (being able to mine). Balanced? Not in this game.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 07:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Tarasina What about the lvl1 mining mission which spawns 500k-bounty battleships? And you have to kill em to finish the mission (being able to mine). Balanced? Not in this game. Its about Devs losing perspective. Unlike you and me, they can't cancel subs every 6 months or so and take a break. I'm not being vocal to whine. I'm being vocal to shake them out of that lack of perspective. Remind them, it's a game. it's supposed to be fun.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:01:00 - [15] Edited by: Hannibal Ord on 02/04/2011 08:06:01 We have all done stupid things in this game, but lets be clear here, you were the one who was stupid...very stupid for a number of reasons. NOT CCP 1. PVP Specialised Combat Heavy Interdictor, with bonuses to PVP stuff... probably could have picked a better ship. SAC, ZEALOT, ARBITRATOR, PHANTASM, PILGRIM, NAVY OMEN, HARBINGER, PROPHECY, ABSOLUTION, ASHIMUUU, all would probably have been superior choices for various reasons. 2. Ship Without Drones in PVE equals a lot of fail for when you get webbed and scrammed and frigates fly under your guns etc. Let this be a learning experience for you to take the right ship for the right job and basically not be a bone head.
Kiandoshia	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:04:00 - [16] How were you planning to run the mission in your HIC? Tank NPCs to death?
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Ioci it's supposed to be fun. Actually it is fun. All this whine generated everyday by people who didn't know how to use their own brain IS FUN, and we enjoying the reading. You failed miserably in a mission which can be done in 3 minutes without scratching the shields. You are comp[laining about your own stupidness. Stop missioning, join brainless and relaxing asteroid belt mining.
Wendi Watson	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:16:00 - [18] And nobody has yet mentioned the fact that you can safely decline 1 mission every 4 hours from each agent without consequence. So you could have skipped the mission outright.
Kiandoshia	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Ioci it's supposed to be fun. Actually it is fun. All this whine generated everyday by people who didn't know how to use their own brain IS FUN, and we enjoying the reading. You failed miserably in a mission which can be done in 3 minutes without scratching the shields. You are comp[laining about your own stupidness. Stop missioning, join brainless and relaxing asteroid belt mining. Stupidity.
Arthur Frayn Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:23:00 - [20] Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 02/04/2011 08:27:37 I feel cheated. I came in hoping the op would be ranting about a new mission that would be as tough as the lvl 4's were in the good old days of 2006, but it turns out the op just sucks at running the laughably easy missions we have now. Originally by: Ioci So everyone who doesnt have a PHD in EvE issions and 14 bookmarks to page long tutorials on each mission can't play EvE? But this is all coolio with people who play EvE? U just don't get it do you? CCP are laughing at you. Everyone who doesn't have the intelligence to google "Eve missions guide", click the third link down and spend a couple of minutes reading, can't play Eve very well. "U just don't get it do you?" Even highsec carebears everywhere are laughing at you. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Gogela Freeport Exploration	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:23:00 - [21] Edited by: Gogela on 02/04/2011 08:24:11 Originally by: Kiandoshia Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Ioci it's supposed to be fun. Actually it is fun. All this whine generated everyday by people who didn't know how to use their own brain IS FUN, and we enjoying the reading. You failed miserably in a mission which can be done in 3 minutes without scratching the shields. You are comp[laining about your own stupidness. Stop missioning, join brainless and relaxing asteroid belt mining. Stupidity. Mining is lame. Low sec piracy FTW. "A hungry man will tell you anything if you give him a cookie."
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Ioci it's supposed to be fun. Actually it is fun. All this whine generated everyday by people who didn't know how to use their own brain IS FUN, and we enjoying the reading. You failed miserably in a mission which can be done in 3 minutes without scratching the shields. You are comp[laining about your own stupidness. Stop missioning, join brainless and relaxing asteroid belt mining. Your devotion to trying to make people feel stupid because they didnt drop 3 hrs of thier life reading the Mission novels is really very lame. I did what anyone doing a mission in a vide game would do. I killed the spawns as they came based on my ships ability. I went in not expecting to be tackled in to the ground and ganked by a 1200 LP, 1 mill mission. I guaged risk based on reward. Isn't that what you would exect normal people to do the first time doing a mission? No, not in EvE. In EvE you go read a novel on step by step instructions on how not be forced in to a battle you can't possibly win. Fun, such fun. read about the video game you might get to play in 2 hrs.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:31:00 - [23] Edited by: Ioci on 02/04/2011 08:33:55 Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 02/04/2011 08:27:37 I feel cheated. I came in hoping the op would be ranting about a new mission that would be as tough as the lvl 4's were in the good old days of 2006, but it turns out the op just sucks at running the laughably easy missions we have now. Originally by: Ioci So everyone who doesnt have a PHD in EvE issions and 14 bookmarks to page long tutorials on each mission can't play EvE? But this is all coolio with people who play EvE? U just don't get it do you? CCP are laughing at you. Everyone who doesn't have the intelligence to google "Eve missions guide", click the third link down and spend a couple of minutes reading, can't play Eve very well. "U just don't get it do you?" Even highsec carebears everywhere are laughing at you. No, they aren't. A quite a few are posting examples of the broken AI in missions. Your appeal to the masses to support your trolling and griefing isn't going quite the way you xpected. Sorry that didnt work out for you. And I will be pushing this to the top untill the Devs answer it, or the end of the month. Either way, either or. I will continue to report flames, trolls and off topic additions. I will continue to complain about this. Not for the stupid ship but because it's broken and CCP can't have all yes men in thier subscription base.
Arthur Frayn Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:36:00 - [24] Your post contained many typos and grammatical errors. Originally by: Ioci Your devotion to trying to make people feel stupid because they didnt drop 30 seconds of their life reading the clear concise mission summaries is really very understandable and appropriate. I did what anyone doing a mission in a vide game would do. I killed the spawns thinking nothing could ever throw me a curveball which would've taken no time to prepare for. I went in expecting the mission to be a dumb "kill 12 boars" affair that did all the thinking for me. I went in not expecting a mild challenge. I decided 1200 LP and 1 mill isk should be easy to gain for 5 minutes of point and click in whatever ship I thought would be good for the job. Isn't that what you would expect complete and utter tards to do the first time doing a mission? No, not in EvE. In EvE you go skim-read a very brief overview of what to expect and how to handle it in order to win any battle with only a loss of ammo to show for it. Fun, such fun. Read about the video game while running the mission simultaneously and profiting. Fixed it all for you. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:39:00 - [25] Edited by: Ioci on 02/04/2011 08:40:19 Originally by: Arthur Frayn Fixed it all for you. Reported it for you. Read the title. Its very specific. If you are a dev, feel free to point that out. If you aren't, this is spam
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Ioci it's supposed to be fun. Actually it is fun. All this whine generated everyday by people who didn't know how to use their own brain IS FUN, and we enjoying the reading. You failed miserably in a mission which can be done in 3 minutes without scratching the shields. You are comp[laining about your own stupidness. Stop missioning, join brainless and relaxing asteroid belt mining. Your devotion to trying to make people feel stupid because they didnt drop 3 hrs of thier life reading the Mission novels is really very lame. I did what anyone doing a mission in a vide game would do. I killed the spawns as they came based on my ships ability. I went in not expecting to be tackled in to the ground and ganked by a 1200 LP, 1 mill mission. I guaged risk based on reward. Isn't that what you would exect normal people to do the first time doing a mission? No, not in EvE. In EvE you go read a novel on step by step instructions on how not be forced in to a battle you can't possibly win. Fun, such fun. read about the video game you might get to play in 2 hrs. ACtually good sir when you play most games what happens is you come up against something unexpected and you die in a fire. You then restart the level or whatever and try again, learning from last time. So how is that any different to what happened to your stupid HIC. Did you think the warp disruption bubble would put the smack down on the rats? Do you think it's pathetic DPS and average active tank would hold against the swarms. Guess not. So next time it comes up try and different ship and tactic. I'm sure that's what happens in pretty much ALL games. But in your case, you died...and you think the game is stupid because you are dead, in your tech 2 expensive mission ship. Next time why don't you use an Interdictor, or a ceptor or something you know, really PVP specific for PVE. EVE Survival.org is useful, but it isn't actually required to do level 4's or any combat missions. Probably 95% of the missions I learnt to do myself from just doing them and paying attention. Just like you learn much about mining by DOING the activity.
Arthur Frayn Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Ioci No, they aren't. A quite a few are posting examples of the broken AI in missions. Your appeal to the masses to support your trolling and griefing isn't going quite the way you xpected. Oh yes it is. Originally by: Ioci And I will be pushing this to the top untill the Devs answer it, or the end of the month. Either way, either or. I will continue to report flames, trolls and off topic additions. I will continue to complain about this. Not for the stupid ship but because it's broken and CCP can't have all yes men in thier subscription base. See above. Making you QQ for longer is a reward in itself. By the way, I notived this "alt" of yours is an '05 player. Either you're an even bigger troll than everyone replying to you (and I salute you if you are, because no '05 player is so ignorant that they never learned to do level 4's), or you bought this character and tried to do the mission thinking your awesome skillpoints and big tough Domi would see you through to victory. I hope it's the latter because it makes your tears even sweeter. -- Eventus stultorum magister.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Originally by: Ioci Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Ioci it's supposed to be fun. Actually it is fun. All this whine generated everyday by people who didn't know how to use their own brain IS FUN, and we enjoying the reading. You failed miserably in a mission which can be done in 3 minutes without scratching the shields. You are comp[laining about your own stupidness. Stop missioning, join brainless and relaxing asteroid belt mining. Your devotion to trying to make people feel stupid because they didnt drop 3 hrs of thier life reading the Mission novels is really very lame. I did what anyone doing a mission in a vide game would do. I killed the spawns as they came based on my ships ability. I went in not expecting to be tackled in to the ground and ganked by a 1200 LP, 1 mill mission. I guaged risk based on reward. Isn't that what you would exect normal people to do the first time doing a mission? No, not in EvE. In EvE you go read a novel on step by step instructions on how not be forced in to a battle you can't possibly win. Fun, such fun. read about the video game you might get to play in 2 hrs. ACtually good sir when you play most games what happens is you come up against something unexpected and you die in a fire. You then restart the level or whatever and try again, learning from last time. So how is that any different to what happened to your stupid HIC. Did you think the warp disruption bubble would put the smack down on the rats? Do you think it's pathetic DPS and average active tank would hold against the swarms. Guess not. So next time it comes up try and different ship and tactic. I'm sure that's what happens in pretty much ALL games. But in your case, you died...and you think the game is stupid because you are dead, in your tech 2 expensive mission ship. Next time why don't you use an Interdictor, or a ceptor or something you know, really PVP specific for PVE. EVE Survival.org is useful, but it isn't actually required to do level 4's or any combat missions. Probably 95% of the missions I learnt to do myself from just doing them and paying attention. Just like you learn much about mining by DOING the activity. That's great. You forgot to to read becase I had a Domi there too. The Domi left when it got over tanked and was removed from the battle with a static warp in point.
Ban Doga	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:48:00 - [29] Edited by: Ban Doga on 02/04/2011 08:49:42 Originally by: Ioci Edited by: Ioci on 02/04/2011 08:33:55 Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 02/04/2011 08:27:37 I feel cheated. I came in hoping the op would be ranting about a new mission that would be as tough as the lvl 4's were in the good old days of 2006, but it turns out the op just sucks at running the laughably easy missions we have now. Originally by: Ioci So everyone who doesnt have a PHD in EvE issions and 14 bookmarks to page long tutorials on each mission can't play EvE? But this is all coolio with people who play EvE? U just don't get it do you? CCP are laughing at you. Everyone who doesn't have the intelligence to google "Eve missions guide", click the third link down and spend a couple of minutes reading, can't play Eve very well. "U just don't get it do you?" Even highsec carebears everywhere are laughing at you. No, they aren't. A quite a few are posting examples of the broken AI in missions. Your appeal to the masses to support your trolling and griefing isn't going quite the way you xpected. Sorry that didnt work out for you. And I will be pushing this to the top untill the Devs answer it, or the end of the month. Either way, either or. I will continue to report flames, trolls and off topic additions. I will continue to complain about this. Not for the stupid ship but because it's broken and CCP can't have all yes men in thier subscription base. Probably hundreds of players complete that mission every day. It is far from impossible to complete, even without reading "for hours". Thousands of people are capable of killing scrammers and webbers and warp out before they lose their ships. It is also quite common that you will land on a certain location when warping into a deadspace pocket - if your second ship arrived far away from your first ship that's because your first ship moved that far away from the entry point. The fact that mission running is widely used to make ISK efficiently suggests that it is in fact too easy and you losing your ship was actually your fault. Missions are "broken" but not in the way you describe. They are "broken" because they are far too predictable and easy. I'm not sure what you actually expect because you don't say that. But not every combination of ships, equipment, skills, experience and missions will result in a success and there's nothing wrong with that.
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Ioci Reported it for you. Keep it coming so the forum mods can laugh at you too
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Ban Doga Originally by: Ioci Edited by: Ioci on 02/04/2011 08:33:55 Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 02/04/2011 08:27:37 I feel cheated. I came in hoping the op would be ranting about a new mission that would be as tough as the lvl 4's were in the good old days of 2006, but it turns out the op just sucks at running the laughably easy missions we have now. Originally by: Ioci So everyone who doesnt have a PHD in EvE issions and 14 bookmarks to page long tutorials on each mission can't play EvE? But this is all coolio with people who play EvE? U just don't get it do you? CCP are laughing at you. Everyone who doesn't have the intelligence to google "Eve missions guide", click the third link down and spend a couple of minutes reading, can't play Eve very well. "U just don't get it do you?" Even highsec carebears everywhere are laughing at you. No, they aren't. A quite a few are posting examples of the broken AI in missions. Your appeal to the masses to support your trolling and griefing isn't going quite the way you xpected. Sorry that didnt work out for you. And I will be pushing this to the top untill the Devs answer it, or the end of the month. Either way, either or. I will continue to report flames, trolls and off topic additions. I will continue to complain about this. Not for the stupid ship but because it's broken and CCP can't have all yes men in thier subscription base. Probably hundreds of player complete that mission every day. It is far from impossible to complete, even without reading "for hours". Thousands of people are capable of killing scrammers and webbers and warp out before they lose their ships. It is also quite common that you will land on a certain location when warping into a deadspace pocket - if your second ship arrived far away from your first ship that's because your first ship moved that far away from the entry point. The fact that mission running is widely used to make ISK efficiently suggests that it is in fact too easily and you losing your ship was actually your fault. Missions are "broken" but not in the way you describe. They are "broken" because they are far too predictable and easy. I'm not sure what you actually expect because you don't say that. But not every combination of ships, equipment, skills, experience and missions will result in a success and there's nothing wrong with that. You have a right to your opinion. What I saw wasn't monday morning quarter backing, it was first hand and it is broken. I had good ship and I followed a reasonable course of action and I'm sick of being trolled for GTCs by bad code from a dev team that have lost perspective. a 1 mill mission in this game with the billion ISK ships should be farmed in 15 minutes. They don't do anything to reduce ISK requi to be competetive. The only do things to reduce the ISK faucets.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:55:00 - [32] That's great. You forgot to to read becase I had a Domi there too. The Domi left when it got over tanked and was removed from the battle with a static warp in point. Why did you even need the DOMI is the first place? If you are dual boxing, why didn't you put the BATTLESHIP in first. The Domi is completely irrelevant to your argument in every way. I mean, if you go stuck at the warp in gate... IT EVEN TELLS YOU IN THE MISSION DESCRIPTION (Battleships cannot use this gate) before you even accept the mission. THE HIC should not have even been anywhere NEAR the mission in the first place.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 08:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Hannibal Ord That's great. You forgot to to read becase I had a Domi there too. The Domi left when it got over tanked and was removed from the battle with a static warp in point. Why did you even need the DOMI is the first place? If you are dual boxing, why didn't you put the BATTLESHIP in first. The Domi is completely irrelevant to your argument in every way. I mean, if you go stuck at the warp in gate... IT EVEN TELLS YOU IN THE MISSION DESCRIPTION (Battleships cannot use this gate) before you even accept the mission. THE HIC should not have even been anywhere NEAR the mission in the first place. There was no gate. It was a Warp in mission. You warped in to do an escort, the escort wasnt there. They then spawned 4 cruisers. This is the problem with people on the forums. They assume everything.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:04:00 - [34] Why would you even try to use a HIC to run a mission?
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:09:00 - [35] Originally by: baltec1 Why would you even try to use a HIC to run a mission? Did I mention nobody reads? Mining missions. I had mining assets in the region. I had a Hic. A hic that could and did tank 11 BS, 6 cruisers and 4 frigates. It just couldn't do it forever and with a scram on it, the death came. FTR I have a few billion in ISK and around 20 billion in asset. This isnt about losing a HIC. its about a Dev team that have given up on a game and predatory practice by a corporate Cockroach that used to treat EVE like it's Gem.
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:10:00 - [36] Oh btw, the joy from this delicious thread would be incomplete without HIC mission fitting. OP can you provide this valuable information to devs so they can fix things that broken ~~in your brain probably~~?
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:12:00 - [37] There was no gate. It was a Warp in mission. You warped in to do an escort, the escort wasnt there. They then spawned 4 cruisers. This is the problem with people on the forums. They assume everything. I'm sorry I had assumed the ship you expected to bring it was not allowed in which would mean it was a mechanic that prevented the domi entering the mission. But actually it just means that you fail even worse than I assumed in the first place.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:14:00 - [38] Edited by: Ioci on 02/04/2011 09:15:27 I also expect the forum dogs to let all these trolls to chew at me untill they fet bored, then lock the thread. I never expect a Dev to answer this and untill everyone is forced to buy GTCs to play the game I don't expect any of the subscription yes men to do anything but troll me. I'm still going to add replies un till the above happens I could edit out the typos but trolls will just find something else to feed on.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Why would you even try to use a HIC to run a mission? Did I mention nobody reads? Mining missions. I had mining assets in the region. I had a Hic. A hic that could and did tank 11 BS, 6 cruisers and 4 frigates. It just couldn't do it forever and with a scram on it, the death came. FTR I have a few billion in ISK and around 20 billion in asset. This isnt about losing a HIC. its about a Dev team that have given up on a game and predatory practice by a corporate Cockroach that used to treat EVE like it's Gem. You used a HIC in a mission. Im sorry but this is all your falt. A HIC is not built for doing missions, everyone knows this. Everyone also knows that you will get a random mining/transport/combat mission from all agents and that you can simplyskip it. This issue is all your own doing.
Stella SGP The Kimotoro Initiative	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:16:00 - [40] I totally agree with the OP. They should have provided pop up windows telling you exactly what is going to happen and how you should do it. Also why the hell are the NPC's fielding multiple ships bigger then frigates?!? There should only be 1 frigate. This game is simply too hard for some of us. You're right, it's CCP's fault for not making missions idiot proof and causing incompetent people like you to lose their ship.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:18:00 - [41] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Why would you even try to use a HIC to run a mission? Did I mention nobody reads? Mining missions. I had mining assets in the region. I had a Hic. A hic that could and did tank 11 BS, 6 cruisers and 4 frigates. It just couldn't do it forever and with a scram on it, the death came. FTR I have a few billion in ISK and around 20 billion in asset. This isnt about losing a HIC. its about a Dev team that have given up on a game and predatory practice by a corporate Cockroach that used to treat EVE like it's Gem. You used a HIC in a mission. Im sorry but this is all your falt. A HIC is not built for doing missions, everyone knows this. Everyone also knows that you will get a random mining/transport/combat mission from all agents and that you can simplyskip it. This issue is all your own doing. No, I used a HIC to scout the mission. I usually use a Passive drake and would have set one up but after losing the HIC, I decided the who set up was just broken.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Why would you even try to use a HIC to run a mission? Did I mention nobody reads? Mining missions. I had mining assets in the region. I had a Hic. A hic that could and did tank 11 BS, 6 cruisers and 4 frigates. It just couldn't do it forever and with a scram on it, the death came. FTR I have a few billion in ISK and around 20 billion in asset. This isnt about losing a HIC. its about a Dev team that have given up on a game and predatory practice by a corporate Cockroach that used to treat EVE like it's Gem. You used a HIC in a mission. Im sorry but this is all your falt. A HIC is not built for doing missions, everyone knows this. Everyone also knows that you will get a random mining/transport/combat mission from all agents and that you can simplyskip it. This issue is all your own doing. No, I used a HIC to scout the mission. I usually use a Passive drake and would have set one up but after losing the HIC, I decided the who set up was just broken. Confirming Armour Tanked ships make excellent fast scouts with good GTFO ability.
Terick Calvantia	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:22:00 - [43] Holy crap, this troll has been way over fed. 10/10 man really. Unless of course any of this really happened, in witch case I think this is the first time any one gets to use the words "emergency" and "vasectomy" together in the same sentence.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:22:00 - [44] Originally by: Sarmatiko Oh btw, the joy from this delicious thread would be incomplete without HIC mission fitting. OP can you provide this valuable information to devs so they can fix things that broken ~~in your brain probably~~? Chuckle up, trolls. According to devlogs the nerfs are coming to nullsec too. Soon you will all be buying ISK.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:25:00 - [45] Originally by: Ioci No, I used a HIC to scout the mission. I usually use a Passive drake and would have set one up but after losing the HIC, I decided the who set up was just broken. No, you used a pvp ship to do something it wasnt built to do and got it killed. Nothing here is broken other than your tactics.
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Hannibal Ord Confirming Armour Tanked ships make excellent fast scouts with good GTFO ability. Probably it was shield-nano-devoter
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:29:00 - [47] Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Hannibal Ord Confirming Armour Tanked ships make excellent fast scouts with good GTFO ability. Probably it was shield-nano-devoter That explains it. Kinda like a laser Vaga. I can see where the OP is coming from now.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:33:00 - [48] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ioci No, I used a HIC to scout the mission. I usually use a Passive drake and would have set one up but after losing the HIC, I decided the who set up was just broken. No, you used a pvp ship to do something it wasnt built to do and got it killed. Nothing here is broken other than your tactics. But the Domi lived. Oh, thats right, you didnt read about the Domi. You just snipered in on your opportunity to flame someone.
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:36:00 - [49] I don't understand. Are you saying the mission is broken because your Domi arrived 90km away from your HIC? Otherwise, the HIC would have been saved?
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:37:00 - [50] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ioci No, I used a HIC to scout the mission. I usually use a Passive drake and would have set one up but after losing the HIC, I decided the who set up was just broken. No, you used a pvp ship to do something it wasnt built to do and got it killed. Nothing here is broken other than your tactics. But the Domi lived. Oh, thats right, you didnt read about the Domi. You just snipered in on your opportunity to flame someone. yeah but you used a HIC on a mission. I can do that mission with a NH and come back with barely any shield damage. You went to use a HIC + backup on a mission that can be done with a drake and lost the HIC. like, what? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:37:00 - [51] Originally by: Ioci But the Domi lived. Oh, thats right, you didnt read about the Domi. You just snipered in on your opportunity to flame someone. The HIC is still dead and you are still whining about it.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:39:00 - [52] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ioci But the Domi lived. Oh, thats right, you didnt read about the Domi. You just snipered in on your opportunity to flame someone. The HIC is still dead and you are still whining about it. And you are still trolling my thread even though nobody asked you to.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ioci But the Domi lived. Oh, thats right, you didnt read about the Domi. You just snipered in on your opportunity to flame someone. The HIC is still dead and you are still whining about it. And you are still trolling my thread even though nobody asked you to. well you still lost a HIC on a mission. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:50:00 - [54] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Ioci But the Domi lived. Oh, thats right, you didnt read about the Domi. You just snipered in on your opportunity to flame someone. The HIC is still dead and you are still whining about it. And you are still trolling my thread even though nobody asked you to. well you still lost a HIC on a mission. Yep. It was a PvP ship lost to a high sec mission that paid 1200 LP and 1 mill ISK. It had no chance. It wouldn't have in null sec either. Its why I pulled it. Lagg and black screen kills ships there. Glad you are all enjoying your EvE store ISK game that requires you to blob the nodes untill they crash and never make errors. Its a relaxing game. A fun game. ISK grind and macro precision combat, macro mining, macro missioning. Its nice that you can enjoy this.
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:56:00 - [55] Originally by: Ioci Glad you are all enjoying your EvE store ISK game that requires you to blob the nodes untill they crash and never make errors. Its a relaxing game. A fun game. ISK grind and macro precision combat, macro mining, macro missioning. Its nice that you can enjoy this. I have bad news for you. Probably even macro can`t fail on that mission because this is the easiest one lvl 4 after Recon. And you failed it and still lost HIC
Xercodo Amarr Daj'Juntar	Posted - 2011.04.02 09:59:00 - [56] Originally by: Ioci Edited by: Ioci on 02/04/2011 08:33:55 Originally by: Arthur Frayn Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 02/04/2011 08:27:37 I feel cheated. I came in hoping the op would be ranting about a new mission that would be as tough as the lvl 4's were in the good old days of 2006, but it turns out the op just sucks at running the laughably easy missions we have now. Originally by: Ioci So everyone who doesnt have a PHD in EvE issions and 14 bookmarks to page long tutorials on each mission can't play EvE? But this is all coolio with people who play EvE? U just don't get it do you? CCP are laughing at you. Everyone who doesn't have the intelligence to google "Eve missions guide", click the third link down and spend a couple of minutes reading, can't play Eve very well. "U just don't get it do you?" Even highsec carebears everywhere are laughing at you. No, they aren't. A quite a few are posting examples of the broken AI in missions. Your appeal to the masses to support your trolling and griefing isn't going quite the way you xpected. Sorry that didnt work out for you. And I will be pushing this to the top untill the Devs answer it, or the end of the month. Either way, either or. I will continue to report flames, trolls and off topic additions. I will continue to complain about this. Not for the stupid ship but because it's broken and CCP can't have all yes men in thier subscription base. If you want an official response then file a petition, the forums are here for ALL of us to discuss on so I don't care how much you want only dev responses, we all will have something to say. And sure MOST games are for pure enjoyment but EVE is one that requires you to do your homework to enjoy it, and yes we like it that way. We enjoy that process of seeing our plans unfold, learning new things, being able to apply what we know to the game and see it take effect. Everyone else that DID look it up is laughing at you right now including myself...and btw you CAN do that mission even when u pop all the triggers if u can pop the webbers first and keeps peed up in a smaller T2 ship like that. -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:00:00 - [57] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Why would you even try to use a HIC to run a mission? FTR I have a few billion in ISK and around 20 billion in asset. This completely negates your pathetic "only ship in area" excuse for bringing the HIC in the first place. Just admit you can't run a mission properly and throw in the towel. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:01:00 - [58] Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Ioci Glad you are all enjoying your EvE store ISK game that requires you to blob the nodes untill they crash and never make errors. Its a relaxing game. A fun game. ISK grind and macro precision combat, macro mining, macro missioning. Its nice that you can enjoy this. I have bad news for you. Probably even macro can`t fail on that mission because this is the easiest one lvl 4 after Recon. And you failed it and still lost HIC Yea, easy. What mission was I doing? Link it please.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:03:00 - [59] Edited by: Grimpak on 02/04/2011 10:04:19 Originally by: Ioci Originally by: Grimpak well you still lost a HIC on a mission. Yep. It was a PvP ship lost to a high sec mission that paid 1200 LP and 1 mill ISK. It had no chance. It wouldn't have in null sec either. Its why I pulled it. Lagg and black screen kills ships there. Glad you are all enjoying your EvE store ISK game that requires you to blob the nodes untill they crash and never make errors. Its a relaxing game. A fun game. ISK grind and macro precision combat, macro mining, macro missioning. Its nice that you can enjoy this. you lost a HIC in a mission. that alone makes your argument invalid. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Sarmatiko	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:05:00 - [60] Edited by: Sarmatiko on 02/04/2011 10:05:21 Originally by: Ioci Yea, easy. What mission was I doing? Link it please. http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=AttackoftheDrones4 Kill one cruiser Kill 3BS+2 cruisers from spawn ????? PROFIT!
Indigo Mood Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Ioci Glad you are all enjoying your EvE store ISK game that requires you to blob the nodes untill they crash and never make errors. Its a relaxing game. A fun game. ISK grind and macro precision combat, macro mining, macro missioning. Its nice that you can enjoy this. I have bad news for you. Probably even macro can`t fail on that mission because this is the easiest one lvl 4 after Recon. And you failed it and still lost HIC Yea, easy. What mission was I doing? Link it please. Attack Of The Drones You didn't realize that each time you popped one of those cruiser sized rats, more spawned? And that maybe it would be good idea to kill the ones that spawned and not pop more triggers? :P
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:06:00 - [62] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Why would you even try to use a HIC to run a mission? FTR I have a few billion in ISK and around 20 billion in asset. This completely negates your pathetic "only ship in area" excuse for bringing the HIC in the first place. Just admit you can't run a mission properly and throw in the towel. The ability to cherry pick where you want, when you want might very well make people look bad on a forum? But at the end of the day you will know you sunk thousands of dollars in to a game that has no desire to entertain you. It did once. Now it doesnt.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:12:00 - [63] I get endless entertainment from this game. Even, dare I say, from doing missions. I don't buy isk, and I play for free.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:13:00 - [64] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 Why would you even try to use a HIC to run a mission? FTR I have a few billion in ISK and around 20 billion in asset. This completely negates your pathetic "only ship in area" excuse for bringing the HIC in the first place. Just admit you can't run a mission properly and throw in the towel. The ability to cherry pick where you want, when you want might very well make people look bad on a forum? But at the end of the day you will know you sunk thousands of dollars in to a game that has no desire to entertain you. It did once. Now it doesnt. Anyone can read the entire thread and see you're just making excuses. With or without my post. And your assumption that this game doesn't still entertain me sounds like a desperate attempt to be superior over, a game? Damn, no wonder you can't afford a sub, keep an open bank account, hold down a job, whatever the reason you feel the need to buy GTC. There are two ways you can deal with failure. You can analyze what you did wrong and learn, or you can blame others and keep failing. Pretty evident by page three you chose the latter. No scratch that, it is evident by the end of the OP you chose the latter. By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:14:00 - [65] Originally by: Indigo Mood Originally by: Ioci Originally by: Sarmatiko Originally by: Ioci Glad you are all enjoying your EvE store ISK game that requires you to blob the nodes untill they crash and never make errors. Its a relaxing game. A fun game. ISK grind and macro precision combat, macro mining, macro missioning. Its nice that you can enjoy this. I have bad news for you. Probably even macro can`t fail on that mission because this is the easiest one lvl 4 after Recon. And you failed it and still lost HIC Yea, easy. What mission was I doing? Link it please. Attack Of The Drones You didn't realize that each time you popped one of those cruiser sized rats, more spawned? And that maybe it would be good idea to kill the ones that spawned and not pop more triggers? :P That is the mission. A: I got no spawns untill the last cruiser died (might have been lagg - that can't be, not in EVE) B: The tips are useless because with miner missions for some reason you warp to the 0 point like you would if you were trying to warp to someone inside a gated area. It doesnt matter of there is a gated area or not. It was set up to force slow boating to asteroids in mining missions. You can make bookmarks but they will be ignored. You can alt haul but your Indy will need to slowboat back to the can. That system will carry over in combat missions issued by Mining agents too. Bottom line? Bugged, overly complex, laggy missions with insignifigant rewards for current EvE economy. But thank you for being civil.
Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:16:00 - [66] Spawns in Missions don't lag.
Suzu Fujibayashi	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:18:00 - [67] So you had the HICcups?
baltec1	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:21:00 - [68] takes me less than 10 minutes to do that mission and I rarely ever need to turn on my tank
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:22:00 - [69] Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium Anyone can read the entire thread and see you're just making excuses. With or without my post. And your assumption that this game doesn't still entertain me sounds like a desperate attempt to be superior over, a game? Damn, no wonder you can't afford a sub, keep an open bank account, hold down a job, whatever the reason you feel the need to buy GTC. There are two ways you can deal with failure. You can analyze what you did wrong and learn, or you can blame others and keep failing. Pretty evident by page three you chose the latter. No scratch that, it is evident by the end of the OP you chose the latter. Personall attacks because you can't control the way others think. Sounds rather last resort.
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:28:00 - [70] Originally by: baltec1 takes me less than 10 minutes to do that mission and I rarely ever need to turn on my tank And that guy in the other thread really is giving away 1.5 billion ISK. Originally by: Hannibal Ord Spawns in Missions don't lag. Don't tell me. Tell CCP. Two the Domi killed with drones, 2 the HIC popped. I have a habit of pulling drones when new things spawn so as to keep aggro off them. The drones made it back to the bay. Everyone is so eager to burn someone down. Nobody is willing to even consider the posibility that the game is just plain broke and that bugs happen. Just eager to jump on the troll bandwagon. U really have a vision of honor for EvE CCP? I don't know who is the bigger fool, me for believing you or you for believing you.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:36:00 - [71] Originally by: Ioci Originally by: baltec1 takes me less than 10 minutes to do that mission and I rarely ever need to turn on my tank And that guy in the other thread really is giving away 1.5 billion ISK. If you used the correct ship then it does take less than 10 min. You however used a HIC which is in no way ment to do missions.
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:37:00 - [72] Originally by: Ioci Stupid stuff Alright look, I don't actually believe you have billions of isk or a domi. Hell, I don't actually believe you had an HIC either. The reason I don't believe these things is a lack of any supporting evidence, and the numerous holes in your ever evolving and changing story. Personal attacks? What other form of argument could there possibly be? You have given us nothing but a story full of holes. The protagonist of this story is an inept pilot that failed to complete a mission with two, (TWO? TWO!) ships that thousands of others a day complete with just one. This protagonist then goes on a forum and whines and lies, expecting all the other denizens, dwellers and nefarious types here to chime in with an "Amen brother", "CCP should do something", "That missions sucks". But instead receives our justified condemnation of said ineptitude, both in the mission, and in coming to a public forum for players expecting a private conversation with a dev. At every turn you have presented us with a protagonist, YOU, who is both worthy of contempt and ridicule and totally unworthy of sympathy. Control the way you think? Can something broken be controlled? And why would I want to? By the way, real men biomass when they emoragequit.

CCP StevieSG	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:39:00 - [73] Rant thread. Locked.

Hannibal Ord Minmatar Hannibals Commando's	Posted - 2011.04.02 10:41:00 - [74] If you are experiencing some sort of lag from spawns in missions. Then I would suggest that the problem is probably your end with your Pentium II. Even then, we have all done that mission millions and millions of times. Not many people turn up on the forums crying because they brought a PVP ship into a mission, an expensive one at that, died in a fire because they used it to "scout" a mission (a practice that holds no merit either to be honest). You clearly did not fit the HIC with a good enough tank, which is hard to do even for a player with little experience. Now you sit there complaining that the mission is broken and refuse to accept that the responsibility of your failure is your own and nobody elses. Unfortunately, the majority of people who play EVE, would probably say the opposite, and that you screwed up royally. If I go play...say Deadspace 2, and I get mauled by a million space zombies and ripped apart, I don't go on the forums there and say..."this game is broken." I sit down and I go, ****, maybe I shouldn't do the stupid thing I did before. ALL games are like this. But in EVE, because you are used to the predictability of PVE in general, you believe that the game broke that day so you died. Sorry to break it to you, but sometimes you just screw up and die.

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