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Fiori 161 Tear Factory	Posted - 2011.04.02 22:23:00 - [1] Is it illegal to Suicide Gank in a Noob system? I will write a petition later and ask this via in game channels. But since different GM's give different answers on different days I will also ask here. Commence.
Anti Castro Pigeons Minmatar Coup Coup Coup	Posted - 2011.04.02 22:29:00 - [2] no
Firkragg Blood Covenant Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.04.02 22:35:00 - [3] TBH general rule of thumb is yes. I know it certainly applies to things like can flipping etc and so i really would be suprised if they wouldnt extend the rule to cover suicide ganking. (of course this probabaly only applies if your ganking new chars)
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2011.04.02 22:35:00 - [4] Think only can baiting in newbie systems is frowned on, but your best bet is probably gonna be the petition route. You can have 15 players say yes here, but 1 gm trumps them.
Lost'In'Space	Posted - 2011.04.02 23:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Fiori 161 Is it illegal to Suicide Gank in a Noob system? I hope you are not considering doing that
Velocity Prime Misfit Toys Clockwork Pineapple	Posted - 2011.04.03 00:01:00 - [6] Edited by: Velocity Prime on 03/04/2011 00:01:16 This is the most innovative idea I've seen in a long time. Just kidding, it's ret@rded. <3 Smuggling, booster sales, recruitment. Visit my blog.
Fiori 161 Tear Factory	Posted - 2011.04.03 00:02:00 - [7] Edited by: Fiori 161 on 03/04/2011 00:02:44 Originally by: Lost'In'Space Originally by: Fiori 161 Is it illegal to Suicide Gank in a Noob system? I hope you are not considering doing that I am planning on doing allot worse in the coming months. But this thread is only about the question, and later I will write a petition.
Captain Die S0utherN Comfort	Posted - 2011.04.03 00:35:00 - [8] I would just stay away from noob systems and find a real target. --- DIE - EVE-O's SADOMASICHIST I WHO HAVE NOTHING!
TonyCandthejets	Posted - 2011.04.03 01:41:00 - [9] People Gank my velator all the time. They have no shame...
El Loco Therapist Angry Bipeds Guinea Pigs	Posted - 2011.04.03 04:19:00 - [10] You know, starting systems aren't exactly populated. The highest density of noobs is in the systems with career agents, you should go there for your noob squashing needs.

A'Brantox Foson Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.03 04:37:00 - [11] Originally by: TonyCandthejets People Gank my velator all the time. They have no shame... heh heh hehaha :) nighty night all o7
Triksterism Spacecataz.	Posted - 2011.04.03 06:04:00 - [12] Back in the day, I used to hang around the 'noob plexes' (which were public warp spots in the overview). I would pop the NPCs and name all cans 'Free Stuff' -- I would spend a lot of my time popping anyone who took the cans. The result? 2 GM EvE-Mails telling me to cease and desist. So I took a week break and went back ;p *
Shieko Chan	Posted - 2011.04.03 08:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Fiori 161 Is it illegal to Suicide Gank in a Noob system? not illegal... lol. It is kind a pathetic.. (considering the situation first of course) noobs don't need that aggravation at least til they've learned a little bit and at least get through the trial. I would have left it alone..unless it was a hulk or battleship mining...lol.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.04.03 10:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Shieko Chan Originally by: Fiori 161 Is it illegal to Suicide Gank in a Noob system? not illegal... lol. It is kind a pathetic.. (considering the situation first of course) noobs don't need that aggravation at least til they've learned a little bit and at least get through the trial. I would have left it alone..unless it was a hulk or battleship mining...lol. It's not pathetic, it's easy kills -------------- ?
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.03 10:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Bumblefck Originally by: Shieko Chan Originally by: Fiori 161 Is it illegal to Suicide Gank in a Noob system? not illegal... lol. It is kind a pathetic.. (considering the situation first of course) noobs don't need that aggravation at least til they've learned a little bit and at least get through the trial. I would have left it alone..unless it was a hulk or battleship mining...lol. It's not pathetic, it's easy kills an easy kill is 1-shooting a non tanked industrial with a tempest. killing noobs that have less SP than you have at social skills is pathetic. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Darius III	Posted - 2011.04.03 11:16:00 - [16] Well now why would you want to gank the noobs? They not worth it in ISK, bt maybe tear value. After all the first tears are the most concentrated ones available. But even if it IS legal, please do not do it. Eve NEEDS constant supply of new players as people leave game, take breaks, get jobs and Girlfriends and wives that take them off the subscriber list. I think it is better for Eve as a whole if you let them develop a bit first. That way when they DO progress as players I can gank them for more isk
Fiori 161 Tear Factory	Posted - 2011.04.03 12:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Darius III Well now why would you want to gank the noobs? They not worth it in ISK, bt maybe tear value. After all the first tears are the most concentrated ones available. But even if it IS legal, please do not do it. Eve NEEDS constant supply of new players as people leave game, take breaks, get jobs and Girlfriends and wives that take them off the subscriber list. I think it is better for Eve as a whole if you let them develop a bit first. That way when they DO progress as players I can gank them for more isk * Fiori bows to Darius III See he is not such a bad guy after all now is he? Sticking up for the little guy until they get a foothold in EVE (and make more ISK) so he can blow them up later Alternatively, there are also Hulks out there in noob systems, strip mining Veld and thinking that they are safe there. So the question is indeed still a valid one just in case the situation ever comes up. I suspect that it is legal, but it never hurts to ask anyway.
TonyCandthejets	Posted - 2011.04.03 13:38:00 - [18] I have hardly any skill points and that dose not stop people from coming to noob systems to gank me. I try to go to places like PF-346 to scavenge loot and the people there pop me for no reason. Same thing with KBP.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.03 17:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Fiori 161 Alternatively, there are also Hulks out there in noob systems, strip mining Veld and thinking that they are safe there. So the question is indeed still a valid one just in case the situation ever comes up. I suspect that it is legal, but it never hurts to ask anyway. those seem to be valid targets. thought you were talking about those noobs that were in noobships or T1 frigates or smth. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Aderata Nonkin Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.03 18:25:00 - [20] It's not illegal. I'm sure CCP won't send the police to your house. It's stupid though, and you having to ask this idiotic question on the forum goes to show that you seem to lack one grey cell or another in that empty brain of yours. Very sad with people like you wasting GM's time with questions like this when there are legitimate people having real problems that need to be prioritized. I suggest you quit the game and take up gardening instead. -)Peace through supreme firepower(-

Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.04.03 19:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Grimpak killing noobs that have less SP than you have at social skills is pathetic. I've only got 1665 skillpoints in social, Can I shoot them instead? What better way to introduce them to EVE! ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
Fiori 161 Tear Factory	Posted - 2011.04.03 20:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Aderata Nonkin It's not illegal. I'm sure CCP won't send the police to your house. It's stupid though, and you having to ask this idiotic question on the forum goes to show that you seem to lack one grey cell or another in that empty brain of yours. Very sad with people like you wasting GM's time with questions like this when there are legitimate people having real problems that need to be prioritized. I suggest you quit the game and take up gardening instead. Sounds like someone's forum alt has a substantial distaste for suicide Gankers. I have no doubt that people like you will make my new career choice a rewarding one.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.04.03 20:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Grimpak an easy kill is 1-shooting a non tanked industrial with a tempest. killing noobs that have less SP than you have at social skills is pathetic. Explain why -------------- ?
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.03 20:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Bumblefck Originally by: Grimpak an easy kill is 1-shooting a non tanked industrial with a tempest. killing noobs that have less SP than you have at social skills is pathetic. Explain why why killing noobs that can't even fly a destroyer well? to pad your kboard with noobship and T1 frigs? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.04.03 21:26:00 - [25] Edited by: Doddy on 03/04/2011 21:28:13 Nothing in eve is "illegal". CCP has said that they don't want anyone greifig new players, specifically in the starter systems, and they can ensure this pretty much any way the want. People have been given warnings for suicide ganking, can-baiting and scamming noobs in starter systems, i don't know if anyone has actually been banned though. Killing non noobs in starter systems will not be a problem i would think.
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.04.03 21:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Bumblefck Originally by: Grimpak an easy kill is 1-shooting a non tanked industrial with a tempest. killing noobs that have less SP than you have at social skills is pathetic. Explain why Because you could gank them 2 months later when they have something worth stealing.
Monikerina Amarr Macross Space Defense Squadron The Conglomeration of Ill Advised Ideas	Posted - 2011.04.04 08:03:00 - [27] I'm all for pvp, but honestly. The game needs players to survive, and while I don't think you can do too much to dent the population, running people away in the first weeks of their gaming is really counterproductive to all. You can get much better tears by destroying stuff that people have strove hard to gain.
Brusanan Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.04 08:48:00 - [28] I would never waste sec suicide ganking a noob for no reason. But if you gank them when they are young, they will learn about the nature of Eve right off the bat. In my opinion, that is better than playing the game for a few months before realizing that you don't actually like it. ______
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.04.04 09:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Bumblefck Originally by: Grimpak an easy kill is 1-shooting a non tanked industrial with a tempest. killing noobs that have less SP than you have at social skills is pathetic. Explain why why killing noobs that can't even fly a destroyer well? to pad your kboard with noobship and T1 frigs? Kills are kills though. Plus, as a side benefit, it will weed out those not strong willed enough to accept the loss and move on, and make EVE less WOW-friendly -------------- ?
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.04 09:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Bumblefck Kills are kills though. Plus, as a side benefit, it will weed out those not strong willed enough to accept the loss and move on, and make EVE less WOW-friendly yeah but wasting Sec status with noobs? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.

Lost'In'Space	Posted - 2011.04.04 10:01:00 - [31] Originally by: Fiori 161 Edited by: Fiori 161 on 03/04/2011 00:15:00 Originally by: Lost'In'Space Originally by: Fiori 161 Is it illegal to Suicide Gank in a Noob system? I hope you are not considering doing that I am planning on doing allot worse in the coming months, but that is irrelevant. This thread is only about the question, and later I will write a petition (or 2 or 3) so the GM's can answer it for me as well. I hope you don't mean new players who have just undocked for the first time and following instructions to find how the shield boosters work
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.04.04 13:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Bumblefck Kills are kills though. Plus, as a side benefit, it will weed out those not strong willed enough to accept the loss and move on, and make EVE less WOW-friendly yeah but wasting Sec status with noobs? What else are you going to use it for tbqfh...do you just sit there stroking it (sec status) saying, "my precious, my precious" all of the time? -------------- ?
lordlulzs	Posted - 2011.04.04 14:01:00 - [33] I endorse this product and or service. ganking and tricking new players will only make more players move to BP faster. Please keep doing it.
Ingvar Angst Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United	Posted - 2011.04.04 15:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Fiori 161 Originally by: Darius III Well now why would you want to gank the noobs? They not worth it in ISK, bt maybe tear value. After all the first tears are the most concentrated ones available. But even if it IS legal, please do not do it. Eve NEEDS constant supply of new players as people leave game, take breaks, get jobs and Girlfriends and wives that take them off the subscriber list. I think it is better for Eve as a whole if you let them develop a bit first. That way when they DO progress as players I can gank them for more isk * Fiori bows to Darius III See he is not such a bad guy after all now is he? Sticking up for the little guy until they get a foothold in EVE (and make more ISK) so he can blow them up later Alternatively, there are also Hulks out there in noob systems, strip mining Veld and thinking that they are safe there. So the question is indeed still a valid one just in case the situation ever comes up. I suspect that it is legal, but it never hurts to ask anyway. Well there's a very fine sticking point there. If you're popping noobs with civilian lasers that would be frowned upon, but popping hulks trying to hide in noob systems... the gods will smile upon you.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.04 16:27:00 - [35] Originally by: Bumblefck Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Bumblefck Kills are kills though. Plus, as a side benefit, it will weed out those not strong willed enough to accept the loss and move on, and make EVE less WOW-friendly yeah but wasting Sec status with noobs? What else are you going to use it for tbqfh...do you just sit there stroking it (sec status) saying, "my precious, my precious" all of the time? blowing up stuff that actually has worthwhile mods and not a full set of civilian mods? --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Bemjamin Pollard	Posted - 2011.04.04 16:37:00 - [36] Here's my take, having experienced the vast reaches of instellar space without a breather tube as a complete noob. I'm going to avoid the whole moral implication/obligation imperative, as that may likely result in a thread filled with trolls and tears from all corners. I'm considered by those who know me to be somewhat level-headed (jury's still out with a few). When my early demise arrived, I was shocked to realize that it felt very personal, an intimate assault on my person and (albeit, virtual) property. I immediately checked out my killer, and to my dismay, saw a veteran of some years was the responsible party, and that immediate retribution was not within my grasp. I could not decide whether to post some tears, just quit the game, or both. I decided to take a break, and decide later. I ended up posting a note to my assassin, thanking him for teaching me a valuable lesson about the perils of low-sec travel (forgot to mention that), and wished him well in his future endeavors. I was able to do this by putting myself in the shoes of an experienced veteran, who has already paid their dues, put in the long hours, and have both the experience and firepower to maintain their presence in low-sec space. I truly was thankful, as I only lost a lowly frigate, and not some expensive piece of equipment much harder to replace. As a result, I have continued to play this game, and now view the loss of any equipment and/or clones as part of the learning experience, and will continue to do so for the forseeable future. However, in all honesty, I cannot say the outcome would have been the same had I been ganked in high-sec by the same person. I believe such a trial by fire can turn away far too many potentially long-time subscribers, and should be frowned upon for this reason alone. Perhaps some middle ground could be reached, wherein anyone not separated by more than 6 months or so is free (within the currently applied rules) to employ such activity. It would not generate the same level of hopelessness, as they could concievably wreak vengeance on said adversary at a future date, and yet instill some level of the caution needed to successfully navigate the myraid wonders of the EVE universe.
Commander Predator UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2011.04.04 17:16:00 - [37] when i started the game, hi sec ganking was pretty unheard of as far as i remember... back in 05 Even though the game is a sandbox and your not truly safe anywhere, i believe every new player should have at least a month to dink around in hisec to some basics down, after that, they should start learning the cold side of eve. personally i think i spent maybe 2 days in hisec before going to lowsec, i learned alot of lessons quick getting blown up. anyhow, i think that new players should have a little time, like i said above a month or so to learn the game, after that if their still in hisec they should be fair game. i want more people to move to lowsec personally:) the less people in hisec the better, and when you suicide them in hisec, their mind goes... oh well lowsec must be alot worse im just gonna stay in hisec. while you might be thinking, well then their not fit for eve online, what alot of people seem to overlook is that for a new player these days, they find themselves a small entity with under a million skillpoints, and think that skillpoints is everything, and then they think they will never stand a chance against a veteran ever with 50m + skillpoints, and getting ganked while their just learning how to press the warp button is just going to strengthen their belief in that:) so i think veteran players ganking noobs is just an all around bad idea, let them get a foothold so they dont fall off and go play something else.
Firnas Minmatar The Nintendo Generation Snatch Victory	Posted - 2011.04.04 17:19:00 - [38] I would disagree with the concept that this will just harden up people and weed out the bad. If I started a new game, and within minutes or a couple days of having a character, I wsa getting slaughtered in noob area by a suicide kill, I would wonder if the game was in the end stages. I would wonder if there was no good endgame left for the matured pilots, and this was what was left to them. So I don't believe only the bad pilots would leave, I think some legitimate good pilots would also walk away.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.04.04 19:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Grimpak blowing up stuff that actually has worthwhile mods and not a full set of civilian mods? why not do both? -------------- ?
Fiori 161 Tear Factory	Posted - 2011.04.04 20:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Firnas I would wonder if there was no good endgame left for the matured pilots, and this was what was left to them. Well alternatively I could be researching Titan BPO's to print ISK on 8 accounts and multiboxing Nyx's in lagy blobs. All the while serving alliance leaders and FC's with rather disagreeable personality traits. That would be the other "And game" and it's a second job with a second boss that you don't like. Suicide ganking is about the only thing I haven't tried yet.

Sjugar	Posted - 2011.04.04 21:47:00 - [41] To truly enjoy Eve you have to be liberated. Quite literally, from your ship. Once you stop seeing your ship as "my precious" but just as a disposable tool the fun can start. This should start soon, though shooting people in noobie ships might be a bit too soon. Just join my ship replacement program, where you liberate young players from their hauler making their way to poverty and give them enough isk or ships to start making their career as a fighter.
Plentath	Posted - 2011.04.05 15:49:00 - [42] On my first DAY in eve I undocked from my training station to find, as I had seen all day, a Wolf sitting there. Doing what I came to learn as can-baiting, and ganking noobs in Bantams and Condors. I looked into this ship, and worked out how long it would take to fly. I realised, anyone who has been around that long and still doing that is either a) Truly pathetic or b) Doing the only thing available to him Neither of these things is good for player retention. You say this will weed out those not suitable for the game? How about those people who come into the game wondering what it's about, see that, and think "um ... so THAT's what you do.. shoot day old players all day? K .. think I won't subscribe then" It's not about wrapping little nubbies up in nice soft blankets, it's about not posing a stupid barrier to entry for players of any skill and intellect level. Not to say there isn't legitimate PVP in starter systems .. just not against the noobs. Quite the opposite .. nubs seeing a battleship or T3 go boom right before their eyes might be inspirational
Piir8	Posted - 2011.04.05 20:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Fiori 161 Edited by: Fiori 161 on 03/04/2011 00:15:00 Originally by: Lost'In'Space Originally by: Fiori 161 Is it illegal to Suicide Gank in a Noob system? I hope you are not considering doing that I am planning on doing allot worse in the coming months, but that is irrelevant. This thread is only about the question, and later I will write a petition (or 2 or 3) so the GM's can answer it for me as well. Lawl, look at me I can sucide gank t1 frigs and ibis.. Im elite! You must have more hate then sense, and more money then hate... or just new and ******ed.
Piir8	Posted - 2011.04.05 20:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Fiori 161 Edited by: Fiori 161 on 04/04/2011 21:37:45 Originally by: Firnas I would wonder if there was no good endgame left for the matured pilots, and this was what was left to them. Well alternatively I could be researching Titan BPO's to print ISK on 8 accounts and multiboxing Nyx's in lagy blobs. All the while serving alliance leaders and FC's with rather disagreeable personality traits. That would be the other "End game" and it's a second job with a second boss that you don't like. Suicide ganking is about the only thing I haven't tried yet. Then shouldnt you sucide gank stuff that matters? Noobs got like 1 trit and some skill books... You really should take a look at sitting on gates and waiting for some t3 cargo in a hauler to come through....
Zen Sins	Posted - 2011.04.05 22:32:00 - [45] Most replies assume OP intends to suicide gank new players in noob systems. The original question does not specify, and the OP has already stated that his intent is to gank Orcas in noob systems, not new players. Simple answer: No. It is not "illegal", nor a violation of the EULA or TOS or policies of CCP to suicide gank Orca pilots in any system. By definition, they are not new. Anyone familiar with the game, and stricken by the rare disease called "common sense", can see that this is so. But for amusement's sake, let's address the subject of suicide ganking noobs in highsec. The only rational reason for doing so would be an attempt to harm the game itself by throttling off the flow of incoming players. It would likely ineffective unless it was executed on a scale similar to Hulkageddon. This would likely never happen. As jaded as Eve players can be, I don't think you can find enough of them genuinely interested enough in taking down the entire game to pull it off. And if you did, CCP would be throwing ban hammers like Thor on FF, and it wouldn't work.
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2011.04.05 23:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Bumblefck It's not pathetic, it's easy kills But, really, what good do those kills do you? When looking for people to wardec, corps with nothing but viators and t1 frigs/cruisers in newbie systems looks even better than a KB consisting entirely of losses, target-wise. Seems kind of counter-productive, honestly. They don't grow your epeen and they don't serve the psychological warfare purpose that buffing your killboard normally would, so what's the point? --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Khanya Trace	Posted - 2011.04.05 23:36:00 - [47] since can flipping is not allowed, i bet some GMs will ban for that as well. Also, it serves no purpose other than killing EVE. New players dont tear up in local, they see an older player oneshotting them with no chance to escape and go right back to where they came from.
Renan Ruivo Caldari Hipernova Tribal Conclave	Posted - 2011.04.06 00:35:00 - [48] Unlike what most people here might say, it is illegal to repeteadly gank someone for no apparent reason or personal in-game gain. And lets just say that you don't win anything by repeatedly suicide ganking someone who has just started playing the game. ____________ I like woman because breasts
Jonasan Mikio Tarps Anonymous	Posted - 2011.04.06 00:58:00 - [49] Originally by: Renan Ruivo Unlike what most people here might say, it is illegal to repeteadly gank someone for no apparent reason or personal in-game gain. And lets just say that you don't win anything by repeatedly suicide ganking someone who has just started playing the game. this is true, griefing for non profit is illegal...just like bumping people n stuff..
Headerman Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.06 06:39:00 - [50] Ganking newbies? How low. But if you want, come out to a system called 6VDT and gank some newbies there!

Alissa Solette	Posted - 2011.04.06 09:11:00 - [51] Imo it's perfectly legitimate to kill noobs. Just as it's legitimate to outblob people or steal their ****. Better to teach the noobs the ways of EVE when they don't have anything to lose yet. Otherwise they'll make the mistake of thinking of highsec as secure and will move all their worldy posessions (and 50 plex) through empire in an untanked hauler. Gank them on day one and they'll learn much more and at a smaller price. Either that or turn EVE into wow in space and stop pretending.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:25:00 - [52] Originally by: Jonasan Mikio Originally by: Renan Ruivo Unlike what most people here might say, it is illegal to repeteadly gank someone for no apparent reason or personal in-game gain. And lets just say that you don't win anything by repeatedly suicide ganking someone who has just started playing the game. this is true, griefing for non profit is illegal...just like bumping people n stuff.. Bumping is allowed FYI -------------- ?
Zen Sins	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:27:00 - [53] Originally by: Alissa Solette Gank them on day one and they'll learn much more and at a smaller price. Either that or turn EVE into wow in space and stop pretending. Edit: my first char was minmatar (back in 2005) and got sent to Amamake by my ****ing tutorial agent. I didn't quit the game because of it and also didn't cry. If you can't take the heat then get out of the fire. I disagree with this. Had I been ganked on day one, I likely would have just logged off because I wouldn't have understood what happened and certainly not how to prevent it again. Your experience of being ganked in Amamake had one HUGE difference to the scenario we're discussing: The warning. Anyone jumping into Amamake would receive a detailed explanation about what they were about to do wrong, and not repeat the mistake. But if you undock your noob ship and get ganked... No warning, no explanation, just you in a pod and no more ship. Why go refit another ship and undock just to be ganked again? You have no idea if they can do it over and over, and probably assume that they can. You probably wouldn't even know it was a player who shot you. New players need time to adjust to the most basic of game mechanics, and I think a lot of old players forget that.
Alissa Solette	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:36:00 - [54] Quote: Your experience of being ganked in Amamake had one HUGE difference to the scenario we're discussing: The warning. Anyone jumping into Amamake would receive a detailed explanation about what they were about to do wrong, and not repeat ... I could be wrong but wasn't that fancy warning message when jumping into lowsec only introduced in a much later patch? I'm nearly never in empire so not really certain on that one.
Jno Aubrey Galactic Patrol	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:30:00 - [55] Originally by: Fiori 161Alternatively, there are also Hulks out there in noob systems, strip mining Veld and thinking that they are safe there. So the question is indeed still a valid one just in case the situation ever comes up. I suspect that it is legal, but it never hurts to ask anyway.[/quote Certainly it is fine to suicide-gank a hulk in a starter system. Not easy though - they are all 1.0 sec iirc and CONCORD will get there lickety-split. __________________________________________________ Name a shrub after me; something prickly and hard to eradicate.
northwesten Amarr Trinity Corporate Services Quantum Forge	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:21:00 - [56] too be honest GM's have acted in the past on people. It's bad for business and they have told people to stop it. I mean going to a noob system to kill new players... pretty much says a lot about you really. Pathetic and weak. ------------------------------------


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