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bR Fortuna
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:48:00 -
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I'm on the verge of purchasing a mothership. At first I was 100% about the Nyx. Then I started to also consider the Aeon. Im posting to get various opinions on what people think about the two ships in question.
Yes the Nyx is obviously the most popular of the motherships for its shear damage. One has got to also consider the Aeon for its tank. I'm torn at the moment between the two. Any input/comments on what you think should follow. 
P.S. Looking for knowledgable comments of people who have experience with motherships, not random nubs who can check them out in ship info.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:06:00 -
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it i had to pick again id pick aeon, however at this point i dont feel the need to retrain bs 5/carrier 5 i may in the near future tho.
sure the extra 2k dps (max skill no drone control units) on a nyx is nice but the aeon still does 8000dps and has over double the hitpoints when you take in to account the bonuses
the nyx has a nicer drone bay but a nicer drone bay when only 20 bombers can be deployed is that just nice, the aeon can still do 20 bombers with more hitpoints.
how ever on the aeon you can only hold 20 bombers and 19 fighters so when you need to use fighters you are at a slight disadvantage. but thats not all that often and its not that much when you take in to account the survivability of it
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Mona X
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:24:00 -
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 Originally by: bR Fortuna
Yes the Nyx is obviously the most popular of the motherships for its shear damage.
Aeon have much more dps on half armor than Nyx's pilot in pod. :P
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Kitty McKitty
Gallente
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:38:00 -
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Unless you only intend to use it for PVE activity the extra DPS of the Nyx will go unnoticed. The Aeon outclasses it in every other aspect when in fleets.
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kitty McKitty
Unless you only intend to use it for PVE activity the extra DPS of the Nyx will go unnoticed. The Aeon outclasses it in every other aspect when in fleets.
The Nyx is the best for 60 second station hugging carrier kills as well as when you want to get in quick kill some dreads on a pos and get back out. In those circumstances the extra damage is worth having because you want to be on the field for the minimum amount of time possible.
But generally for alliance level blobbing the Aeon is better.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:46:00 -
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Nyx's damage advantage helps minimize exposure for short tactical engagements. Aeon's higher EHP makes it more sustainable for fleet engagements.
The more pilots on the field, the better the Aeon looks.
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bR Fortuna
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 21:33:00 -
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Epic input guys. Thanks. Any additional opinions?
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Sergeant Failfit
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Posted - 2011.04.06 21:52:00 -
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go caldari!!!
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bR Fortuna
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 22:01:00 -
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Oh you mean a bait mothership?
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Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.07 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: bR Fortuna
Epic input guys. Thanks. Any additional opinions?
I know we are enemies, but i was at the same crossroad myself recently. Nyx or Aeon?
On EFT alone i thought the Aeon was better, as its tank was THE highest in the game, so i chose to get an Aeon. i think having the extra HPs is better than having the ability to deal more HPs.
Besides, i think a fleet of Aeons would be more intimidating than a fleet of Nyxs, cause having to burn through up to 50m EHP per ship is a pretty big ask of anyone
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Koshs SC
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Posted - 2011.04.07 01:06:00 -
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if its gonna die, its gonna die. The extra buffer won't save it.
10k dps in very nice, but so is 8k. Not a big difference at that point.
Pick one you like, and fly it. thats pretty much the only thing that really matters.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:11:00 -
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Sure, if you're going to die, you're going to die -- but because it takes them twice as long to run through your buffer, it'll sure save a crapload of other ships while they're shooting at you.
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MISTER JITA
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:30:00 -
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ok, the Thanatos or Archon?
Does the extra ehp matter at sub super cap level?
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 07/04/2011 02:35:22
Originally by: MISTER JITA
ok, the Thanatos or Archon?
Does the extra ehp matter at sub super cap level?
Archon. Not only do you get way more EHP, you also get more ehp from remote reps. Thanatos is a lol-PvE carrier and I laugh at people stupid enough to train it.
Edit: Thanatos can't triage for crap, either.
Edit2: Nor does it get the vitally important remote cap transfer bonus. Neuted ships do not tank well.
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MISTER JITA
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
Edited by: Aamrr on 07/04/2011 02:35:22
Originally by: MISTER JITA
ok, the Thanatos or Archon?
Does the extra ehp matter at sub super cap level?
Archon. Not only do you get way more EHP, you also get more ehp from remote reps. Thanatos is a lol-PvE carrier and I laugh at people stupid enough to train it.
Edit: Thanatos can't triage for crap, either.
Edit2: Nor does it get the vitally important remote cap transfer bonus. Neuted ships do not tank well.
Damn it... well at least I found out before training gallente bs 5
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.07 02:55:00 -
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Let me emphasize one very, very important fact:
The time spent training for a carrier VASTLY dwarfs the amount of time spent training your racial battleship to 5. You SHOULD NOT choose which race of capitals to fly based on what battleships you fly, especially because all capital ships have a racially-dependent skill to train, and the longer you spend in capitals the more you're locked into that race.
Think very carefully before you train capitals, because the race you choose is almost certainly going to be the race you're in. It's marginally feasible to fly different dreads/titans from your carriers/supercarriers, but...
...well, choose wisely.
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Frances
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:15:00 -
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I am glad I read this thread. I was about to start training for Thanatos and possibly Nyx because I already have Gallente boats. I will likely instead switch to Amarr or Caldari now.
What about the little guys. The Tristan is pretty spiffy looking. Non-Gallente I gotta go with the Hurricane, shame its not as fast as it looks. |
Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:17:00 -
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Well, look at it this way -- at least you didn't train for minmatar caps 
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Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Frances
I am glad I read this thread. I was about to start training for Thanatos and possibly Nyx because I already have Gallente boats. I will likely instead switch to Amarr or Caldari now.
I guess i cheated, i bought 3 extra accounts and trained 3 chars to fly carriers: 2 Amarr and one Gallente.
The Archon is such a solid ship. I use to hate them before i flew them, but i was convinced to train 2 chars up for them and i have never looked back.
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Zesoft
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:19:00 -
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Should I even ask if I can train for a Chimera?
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:31:00 -
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Chimera's a solid ship for what it does. It's the shield Archon, and many of the arguments for the Archon (high EHP, good repair efficiency, capacitor transfer for spider tanking) apply to the Chimera as well. I like it.
I'm not quite as fond of it, though, for a couple reasons.
1.) Most people fly armor capitals. There's a couple reason for this, but it has a lot to do with slave implants for supercapitals and 1600 plates for battleships. Armor just works better on bigger ships.
2.) Archon has more capacitor. Caldari ships have a nice capacitor buffer, but they tend to lack recharge. This makes it particularly difficult to do a sustainable triage Chimera, since you tend to run out of cap about 4 minutes in. It's workable, though.
3.) Archon has better fittings. Shield modules consume a crapload of CPU, and powergrid scales exponentially with ship size; CPU scales approximately linearly. Long story short, a triage Archon gets to use all of its high slots. Chimeras have to compromise with a smartbomb or something similar.
4.) Utility midslots. Sensor boosters and ECCM are your friend. Chimera doesn't really get to use them.
5.) Damage control unit. Spider tanking archons get to use it. Chimeras often forgo it for an extra capacitor power relay.
That said, it's still my second favorite capital ship, and if you know you're going to be with a shield alliance, knock yourself out.
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Zesoft
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:40:00 -
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Yep. Archon hooooo~
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Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.07 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Headerman on 07/04/2011 03:42:12
Plus there is the fact the Archon looks like a hoverboard from Back To The Future 2...
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rumncock
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Posted - 2011.04.07 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: rumn**** on 07/04/2011 05:36:09
I asked myself this question too not long ago, here's 2 arguments to consider:
-In a super cap slug fest where not all ships on field die, there will be a lot of nyx'es on field. All the 100% nyx fleet has to do against the 50% nyx 50% aeons is primary the nyx'es over the aeon's and their fleet will kill more super cap's than your 50/50 nyx/aeon's fleet. Once it's obvious you're losing more than them there's a big chance you'll try to pull out (lag allowing), inevitable lose 1-2 extra tackled ones and never see the part where anyone shoots an aeon. Few fights continue until both super cap fleets have completely annihilated each other.
-How big is your wallet, how is your super replaced, by yourself or through alliance/corp policy?
Myself, in an move of utter selfishness opted for the aeon, simply because I prefer not being primary with my current wallet size.
edit: considering the fail entity you're from though and what you're doing right now I guess I should have told you to come see me in your wyvern instead :)
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MISTER JITA
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Posted - 2011.04.07 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: rumn****
Edited by: rumn**** on 07/04/2011 05:36:09
I asked myself this question too not long ago, here's 2 arguments to consider:
-In a super cap slug fest where not all ships on field die, there will be a lot of nyx'es on field. All the 100% nyx fleet has to do against the 50% nyx 50% aeons is primary the nyx'es over the aeon's and their fleet will kill more super cap's than your 50/50 nyx/aeon's fleet. Once it's obvious you're losing more than them there's a big chance you'll try to pull out (lag allowing), inevitable lose 1-2 extra tackled ones and never see the part where anyone shoots an aeon. Few fights continue until both super cap fleets have completely annihilated each other.
-How big is your wallet, how is your super replaced, by yourself or through alliance/corp policy?
Myself, in an move of utter selfishness opted for the aeon, simply because I prefer not being primary with my current wallet size.
edit: considering the fail entity you're from though and what you're doing right now I guess I should have told you to come see me in your wyvern instead :)
What if one side has 100% nyxes and 100% aeons.
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Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.07 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: MISTER JITA
Originally by: rumn****
Edited by: rumn**** on 07/04/2011 05:36:09
I asked myself this question too not long ago, here's 2 arguments to consider:
-In a super cap slug fest where not all ships on field die, there will be a lot of nyx'es on field. All the 100% nyx fleet has to do against the 50% nyx 50% aeons is primary the nyx'es over the aeon's and their fleet will kill more super cap's than your 50/50 nyx/aeon's fleet. Once it's obvious you're losing more than them there's a big chance you'll try to pull out (lag allowing), inevitable lose 1-2 extra tackled ones and never see the part where anyone shoots an aeon. Few fights continue until both super cap fleets have completely annihilated each other.
-How big is your wallet, how is your super replaced, by yourself or through alliance/corp policy?
Myself, in an move of utter selfishness opted for the aeon, simply because I prefer not being primary with my current wallet size.
edit: considering the fail entity you're from though and what you're doing right now I guess I should have told you to come see me in your wyvern instead :)
What if one side has 100% nyxes and 100% aeons.
Then the Aeons would most likely win, due to Slaves
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.07 06:34:00 -
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It'd be a slaughter either way. Slaves really don't have much to do with it.
Aeons have a somewhat larger percentage of their hit points in armor, but it's not THAT much larger. The analysis is as simple as "AeonEHP*AeonDPS > NyxEHP*NyxDPS", and slaves don't change that equation much.
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Dray
Caldari
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.04.07 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
It'd be a slaughter either way. Slaves really don't have much to do with it.
Aeons have a somewhat larger percentage of their hit points in armor, but it's not THAT much larger. The analysis is as simple as "AeonEHP*AeonDPS > NyxEHP*NyxDPS", and slaves don't change that equation much.
I would think that slave sets will count as most alliance fleets will have max skilled boosters whether T3 or regular command, and in some cases Erebus bonus, slaves will make a difference, even without these slaves will still be a telling influence because of the Aeons higher armour hp and better slot layout for tanking.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.07 08:52:00 -
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The point is that all those modifiers are just percentage increases. Doubling everyone's HP doesn't change the outcome (unless alpha is a legitimate concern, and FFS these are supercaps). The only real factor is that slaves only increase armor, and Aeons have a larger percentage of their HP in armor, so they get a bit more benefit.
Even without implants or gang link bonuses of any sort, a Nyx will only do 25% more damage, while an Aeon will have about 50% more hp. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who's going to win that engagement.
The only real question is whether the Nyx fleet will be stupid enough to stick around.
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Frances
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Posted - 2011.04.07 10:33:00 -
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I wonder how the Hel fleet would do in these theoretical engagements with it's repair boni at work.
What about the little guys. The Tristan is pretty spiffy looking. Non-Gallente I gotta go with the Hurricane, shame its not as fast as it looks. |
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