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Irani Firecam
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.11 03:32:00 -
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Clearly, the minmatar capitals needs a bonus that is in keeping with their racial philosophy, that is '5% bonus to max velocity per level', plus the inclusion of the much needed 1000MN microwarpdrives. 
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.11 03:32:00 -
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But as I pointed out earlier, the Aeon is inherently superior at capacitor generation and repping ability. So even if you miraculously "fixed lag," the Aeon would still do it better.
I would be 100% in favor of a buff to the Nidhoggur's/Hel's rep amount bonus. 7.5% at a bare minimum. 10% might even be reasonable, given lower EHP and they share, and the disastrously poor fitting of the Nidhoggur itself.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.11 03:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Irani Firecam
Clearly, the minmatar capitals needs a bonus that is in keeping with their racial philosophy, that is '5% bonus to max velocity per level', plus the inclusion of the much needed 1000MN microwarpdrives.
Don't you mean 1GN microwarpdrives? 
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Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.11 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Headerman on 11/04/2011 03:50:48
Originally by: Aamrr
But as I pointed out earlier, the Aeon is inherently superior at capacitor generation and repping ability. So even if you miraculously "fixed lag," the Aeon would still do it better.
I would be 100% in favor of a buff to the Nidhoggur's/Hel's rep amount bonus. 7.5% at a bare minimum. 10% might even be reasonable, given lower EHP and they share, and the disastrously poor fitting of the Nidhoggur itself.
+1 to that. Also given the whole point of the Hel/Nis is to rep, a buff in cap capacity would also be pretty in line with whats needed
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.11 04:22:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 11/04/2011 04:22:38
I'm not so inclined to give them that. Minmatar are NOT known for their capacitor, and in fact it's one of the primary weaknesses of the race. There is nothing wrong with having a carrier (especially the Nidhoggur) being dependent on cap transfer. Fly with an Archon or a Chimera.
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.11 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Girl on 11/04/2011 08:10:23
As a person that accually fly supercarrier(nyx),and have passed over 300kills in mine so far, I dont rly thing what race u pick matters thaaat much as long as ure a armor tanker.
U can argue to death over if a fleet with mostly nyxes vs aeons is bether than the other way ect, but in the end I would simply pick a supercarriers based on ure characters skillset/isk.
For my use I would personally never trade my nyx for a aeon,(I love way too much the little extra dmg the nyx got when Im killing carriers/jf/dreads in docking range/slowboating to forcefield) however I do reconsize that the aoen hull is abouyt 4-5b cheaper on the open market.
The whole tank vs dps discussion ( solo)logofski or any solo activity Aoen might do bether, but then again most supers isnt solo and the ehp doesnt matter that much in a typical huge cap fleet fest where u got tons of RR on both sides. local "tank/ehp" isnt gonna usually be the decive matter when the only difference is that its gonna take u 30s longer to die or not, very few ppl shoot aoens anyways, so you prob wont even notice this unless ure alrdy lost the fight and then the ehp is prob not gonna save u.
so unless ure planing to only solo drop, it doesnt rly matter what u pick. But I know our fc favours dps over ehp as in most of the chases ure simply using supercarriers as a dps tool. the ehp added from a aeon wont be noticed prob anyways since fleet either A) won b) lost horrible and all the nyxes dies and u simply last 20s longer.
I would compare it to trying to tank ure sniping bs in a sniping bs fest. ure added ehp doesnt rly matter in most chases:P
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.11 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Twisted Girl
stuff
wow. That was painful to read. That said, you DO realize that resists make remote repair more effective, right? Right?! The Aeon gets 33% more out of a suicide triage than a Nyx does. Surely that's worth considering...
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bR Fortuna
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.11 15:38:00 -
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Right on!!
My questions have been answered and must insight provided in this thread guys. Thanks in large part to Mr. Amarr guy, your views seems to be mostly bias but extremely accurate. Thanks also twisted, input most appericated. Thanks to all others who threw in their 2 and even 3 cents (leave it to a goon to throw in EFT analysis).
"P.S. Looking for knowledgable comments of people who have experience with motherships, not random nubs who can check them out in ship info OR EFT."
-It seems I should have added that in my initial post.
Aeon it is.
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Twisted Girl
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Twisted Girl on 11/04/2011 18:23:13
Originally by: Aamrr
Originally by: Twisted Girl
stuff
wow. That was painful to read. That said, you DO realize that resists make remote repair more effective, right? Right?! The Aeon gets 33% more out of a suicide triage than a Nyx does. Surely that's worth considering...
if u accually been in supercap brawls u would know that triage carriers get insta popped by fighterbombers/dded as soon as the fight start , and no fc in their right mind would shoot supercaps with triage carriers on the field(unless its a hel derp:p). 7-8 nyxes should 1 volly a triage carrier anyways.
So even if aeons in theori benefit more for getting RR, no RR will be alive at that point anyways(most nyxes will be dead aswell, so even Supercap RR is gonna be rly limited)
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 11/04/2011 18:30:16
Ehh, you do present a compelling argument. Fair point.
Edit: You could wait to deploy the suicide triage until after the Aeons start taking damage, but by that time you've pretty much already lost, so yeah...
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Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.11 23:43:00 -
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I probably should have put my posts into a seperate thread, but i just wanted to highlight the areas of the Hel that CCP thinks it's all good with.
It's just too bad the battlefield gives too many variables to make a Hel fleet work, add in the fact that a boosting Leviathan initially gives empty shield capacity that the Hels have to rep up themselves, as well as no direct Slave implant set equivalent, it is pretty much a no contest.
Aeon for me thanks.
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Lucious Shakiel
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Posted - 2011.04.12 10:26:00 -
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But,
The Aeon looks stupid.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.12 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lucious Shakiel
But,
The Aeon looks stupid.
Who cares?
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DarkAegix
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Posted - 2011.04.12 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Lucious Shakiel
But,
The Aeon looks stupid.
I like it :(
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.04.12 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: freshspree on 12/04/2011 13:41:53
Gratz m8. Funny enough, it's easy to tell which is better just by playing with EFT! Unless you want the NYX for its looks.
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bR Fortuna
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:36:00 -
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I understand that its entirely a matter of opinion but I myself think that the Hel is one of if not best looking ships in game.
And yes the Aeon looks like a hotdog with cancer but such things can be overlooked. Much like the use of a paper bag or a light switch....
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Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.13 23:51:00 -
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I don't mind the Aeon, cause you know CCP will eventually fix its looks
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.14 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Aamrr on 14/04/2011 00:03:47
I LIKE the Aeon :(
Edit: The way it looks, I mean.
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freshspree
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Posted - 2011.04.14 04:27:00 -
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I have a question so I thought I should post in this thread. Shouldn't the wyvern be better than the aeon because of similar EHP plus much better passive shield recharge. I mean buffing all that shield hp with huge resists just like a rattler or scorp navy should make it tank better.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.14 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: freshspree
I have a question so I thought I should post in this thread. Shouldn't the wyvern be better than the aeon because of similar EHP plus much better passive shield recharge. I mean buffing all that shield hp with huge resists just like a rattler or scorp navy should make it tank better.
Wyvern
Shield recharge time: 40000000.5 s
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Isan'na
Malicious Destruction
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Posted - 2011.04.14 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Isan''na on 14/04/2011 05:03:30
Originally by: Aamrr
Wyvern
Shield recharge time: 40000000.5 s
Translates to 1.268 years, just so ya know.
EDIT: actually, that's the EVElopedia figure, but I'm pretty sure time durations there are in ms. So that'd actually be 40000 s, or 11 hours. Still, point stands.
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Posted - 2011.04.14 05:21:00 -
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Supercap preference in fleet fights really comes down to the situation. For many situations DPS is the most important quality of the mums (IE burning triage etc.). On the other hand though, large (and I mean large) high lag situations with multiple supers is where the Amarr supers shine. In this situation the more HP your supers can take before they pop the more chances you have of either evac'ing your fleet or popping more of the hostile supers.
Personally, I love my Aeon a ton regardless of the fact it's horribly ugly simply because I'll be the last to be primaried on the field ^.^
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