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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.04.16 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Solstice Project on 16/04/2011 15:18:24
Edit: omg page three O_o
 Originally by: Reeno Coleman
That's like having a friend sitting beside you, taking notes and screaming at you when someone enters (:
+1
*LOL*
oh i'd love to see that happen at least once. :)
Too bad the only guy i know who plays EvE is a
egoblown carebear who believes he's superior because
he always gets to fly the next big ship. ^^
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Taedrin
Gallente
The Green Cross
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.16 15:31:00 -
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that what the OP is suggesting is against the EULA. You see, AFAIK the EULA doesn't prohibit third party applications. It prohibits the automation of gameplay. So fraps is OK, so long as you don't use it in combination with some optical character recognition to scout local for you without you being at the computer.
Now, to be frank, you could easily get away with this, for two reasons:
- So long as the OP uses it as described, it will be very hard to detect. It isn't like BACON which outright tells you to log off when someone enters the system, so it will be hard to tell if someone is using it. ONe of the reasons why BACON got shutdown by CCP is because EVERY time you entered a 0.0 system, everyone logged off instantly. Very easy to detect.
- It would be hard to circumvent. Any way which prevents your program from grabbing screen captures would also break fraps which would be a huge loss to the EVE community. I don't think CCP would be willing to go this far. Of course, this problem could be solved if CCP gave us a battle-recorder (Please, CCP?).
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Originally by: Dr Fighter
"how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.04.16 16:00:00 -
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went into another thread where a GM posted and asked for a ruling but yeah... gl with that. And Sreegs doesnt seem to be talking either.
See, thats a thing I hate about the vague nature of the EULA and their refusal to pin it down, it could NOT say specifically what you want to do is illeal but then you still get banned >.<
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.04.16 16:29:00 -
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lolwtf
BACON made you unlog ?
Sounds funny, really ... and totally idiotic.
No wonder the system got changed.
Tbh, Akira, i'd be really, really glad if this thread helps force CCP to rewrite the EULA,
altough there's no (sane) way EvE can have an EULA that forbids screenshots.
And, technically speaking, it's impossible to prevent ppl from doing it.
OCR seriously is a tough nut to crack.
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:57:00 -
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Eve-central is either against the EULA, and since it's been operating in the open for this long with no problems, I'm gonna say it's not.
Thus, gathering in-game data isn't against the EULA.
Also, processing that data into an easily digestible form that conveys an in-game advantage is also not against the EULA.
So long as your program doesn't automatically do something IN-game, like BACON did, then I don't see how it can be deemed against the EULA any more than eve-central is.
I think you can:
get screens (automated that doesn't cause load on the game is probably a grey area)
automatically process those screens
open a website and display that information
ask for donations or advertising to keep the website open, i suspect you could even ask for in-game isk. Didn't the eve-maps guy get people to pay cash for gathered in-game data?
All of these things are things that eve-central does. If they come after you, they have to go after eve-central, and they haven't.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
All of these things are things that eve-central does. If they come after you, they have to go after eve-central, and they haven't.
Flawed logic there. Keep in mind Eve Central only depends on output from individual players. This output is, nominally, only made when a player presses export. It only gives the export on one market item for one region. Furthermore, the output is not positively secure. There have been many times where people have "edited" the output to manipulate the market. And, again, I'm not saying what the OP plans to do is bad or against the EULA. I just think it needs repeating, over and over ad infinitum ad nauseum, that until you actually get word from CCP (and even then) you place yourself at risk. I've seen far too many people locked out of their account and using email to beg for access back. Truly told, in Eve it is NOT better to ask for forgiveness. Ask permission first or you gamble your account, period.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:08:00 -
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Both of you are absolutely right in their own ways.
Thanks for your comments. :)
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:09:00 -
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lol if screen shotting is illegal they need to ban the advertising guys
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
lol if screen shotting is illegal they need to ban the advertising guys
oooohhhhhhhhh i can't resist ....
YES !!! BAN EM !!! BAN EM ALL !!!
MAKE EVE A SAFE PLACE ALREADY !!!!
LET THE CAREBEARS TAKE OVER !!!!!
AND THEN BAN THEM TOO FOR DOING REPETITIVE STUFF ALL DAY LONG !!
CAREBEARS ARE BOTS DISGUISED AS HUMANS !!!
OMG HUMAN BOTS !!!!!!!
BAN THEM I SAY !!!!!
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wow ... i needed that. ^^
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Inairin
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Inairin on 16/04/2011 20:25:01
A long while ago I actually asked a GM about this. The answer was that as long as there is no input/commands to the game it's okay to do. For those arguing about screenshot being input: it shouldn't be consider as such as I could use a webcam to get a feed or simply use some adapter that hijacks the signal over the DVI cable to read the relevant information.
As for the idea, why stop at your own database? Give the program to everyone in your corp and have it send the data to a server, giving you a realtime strategic overview of multiple systems, you could even have it fetch the overview window and do other image recognition to allow a FC to call the shots without even being logged into the game. Give enough people willing to cooperate and eve could be played as an RTS, either via voice, or if someone ambitious bothers to write some code that draws the data feed into a isometric classic RTS overview with klickable commands and hotkeys which in turns draws these instructions into a GUI overlay for the individual pilot/client.
All done without directly sending any commands to the eve-application itself.
Now send me all your isk for taking part of my awsome intellectual property
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.04.16 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Inairin
pure awesomeness
wow, nice. :)
Actually, your idea is pretty great !
Too bad my corp only consists of three,
where one never is online
and i kind of miss the other one already. lol
(No, i will never ever join a corp not created by myself ^^)
Would you care to elaborate what exactly you were asking the GM ?
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.04.16 21:18:00 -
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Okay, Dear CCP Zym. closed my other thread about
the hardware overlays.
Basically, there's a concept that allows to
display stuff on the screen called hardware overlays
which make it impossible (or at least very, very hard) to make a screenshot.
(yeah i know i'm working against my own idea here ... it's ... a challenge ^^)
I was opening another thread because i hoped to get another discussion
about that going and to gather some more information ... but that didn't work out. ^^
Any ideas, suggestions about them ?
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