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death klokk
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:15:00 -
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Steps for success:
1. Get an education.
2. Get job with said education.
3. Buy GTC
4. Sell
rinse/repeat.
Everyday I come across a thread where someone asks or boasts about earning 80-100mil isk per hour. Now mind you, some people PVE for reasons other than trying to maximize their in-game wealth as fast as possible (IE: running lvl 5s with friends while having a good time on vent/ts, or being constructive by mining while watching your favorite tv program) and if you fall into that category of casual player, then you can move on to the next topic.
However, I've always wondered why people spend so much time grinding their way to capital ships, faction fitted ships..etc etc at a snail's pace. Not everyone agrees with what I will say, but most will agree that time=money. The thing about time is that its universal. Time spent in game could be time spent doing something more profitable IRL.
GTC's are currently priced at 35$ USD and selling for like 700mil each give or take 20mil. Any decent job will pay you that for an hour of work. 100mil isk an hour grinding L4s or plexing whatever effectively translates into 5$ an hour. That number gets even lower if your not blitzing said missions in a pimped out golem. I don't really know of anyone that would work 7hrs a day for 35$. Heck, current minimum wage laws in the US pay more than that. When I first started playing EvE a few years ago, I would skip out of work early so I could get home and play. That is, until i realized how I was lowering the value of my time. It amazes me how many people grind all night for a few hundred million and complain about how much of a chore or "like a 2nd job" it is to play.
So unless you grind isk because your RL income is driven from RMTs from game, or you're a child who can't work; Is your time really worth 5$ an hour? If it is, see step 1.
Once liberated from the 'boring' aspects of the game and the fear of losing your 20mil fit rifter, you'll find a new found love for the game.
flame on.
tl;dr: Buy GTCs, your time is worth more than 5$ an hour... i think.
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Mortania
Minmatar
Kinetic Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:18:00 -
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The man has a point.
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:21:00 -
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This.
lol, if you are having fun grinding, it's ok.
Since the point of playing games is to have fun.
However, if you think grinding isk is torture and you still do it, you have a problem.
I mean if you buy a GTC, and sell it for isk, you are usually good for a while(that is if you are pvping.)
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Fix Lag
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:30:00 -
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Is this supposed to be some kind of half-witty sarcasm or an advertisement for buying CCP's most expensive subscription option?
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Antihrist Pripravnik
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:30:00 -
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 Originally by: death klokk
GTC's are currently priced at 35$ USD and selling for like 700mil each give or take 20mil. Any decent job will pay you that for an hour of work.
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current minimum wage laws in the US pay more than that.
Great! Can you help me get a green card so I can move over to US and work for $35 an hour? It's really a pain to pay for EVE where I live, because the monthly average wage on the state level here is around $200.
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Bill The Cat
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:31:00 -
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Casual Player, not real rich, job sucks and pay is even suckier. I pay my bills. Have enough food to eat. And a small amount of splash for 'entertainment' However... the price of good hookers has gone up, so I play EVE.
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Judicator Saturnius
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:37:00 -
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vov
I've invested in this manner before, but for the most part i'm relaxed by grinding after work. Sure, I could be putting in extra time or working on other things (i'm a professor, so i've got the education part covered in spades), but I reserve spending cash for the times when grinding makes me really nauseated. The kind of nauseated I get when I grade a 101 class' research papers or listen to my department chair rant on about faculty not reading his 900 daily emails.
TL;DR: Work sucks at times as much as grinding isk does. Which one factors out to less pain for the profit is not so cut and dry. I don't deliberately duck my day job to make isk, but there are days i'm "out sick," because i'd rather do some mundane in-game tasks than deal with my job.
P.s. 35 is well above the american average for hourly wage, even for the moderately educated.
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Yanshee
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:37:00 -
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OP has a point. Fair enough if you actually enjoy the grinding process...you strange individuals. But when EVE ever becomes a chore, the whole: "I can't PVP, I've got to keep grinding Sanctums (oh no wait) to pay for this month's subscription"... do some damn overtime. Funding with PLEX isn't cheating, its just more efficient time management. Think of it as meta-gaming.
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death klokk
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Fix Lag
Is this supposed to be some kind of half-witty sarcasm or an advertisement for buying CCP's most expensive subscription option?
It really wasn't meant for either of those things. I was just pondering why someone grinds away at this game like their rent depends on it for a fraction of what they would traditionally make.
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Zahira Wrath
Amarr
Dominion Strategic
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
The man has a point.
Yeah no kidding. Came in expecting a troll, came out agreeing.
Woah ... I musta taken the red pill! 
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:39:00 -
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Hmm..well in my country 5$ an hour is considered a pretty good money...
So grinding is still better than paying 35# with a 3$ an hour job 
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Straight Edged
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:41:00 -
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Its simple really.
In some countries, it is illegal to have two jobs due to working contracts.
So, given that i already have a good paying job, say , at 1b isk/hour, i cant push my wage by "working a second job" , because it is illegal. The potential gain in salary is offset by my crushing stress that i take, and also the risk of getting fired for breach in contract, also bad for my own track record.
So. Continuing from there
given that i already have a good paying job, i cant possible make another 1b isk/hour. at all.
the only way to do so, is by doing hardcore mission running, mining, or wateva eve things that you do, so that on top of my income, i can earn more in a per month basis.
On top of that, we get to spam help and ships channel and have fun, while socialising with the corp and do some pew pew if we wanted to.
TLDR: To some, it is illegal to hold a second job. Hence, you cant "work" to earn more money on top of what you are entitled to in your workplace. Hence even if the isk earned is lower then the isk/hour obtained from buying a card, it is still an improvement to the potential isk per month earned in real life.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:44:00 -
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Of course if everyone did this the price of PLEX's would drop from oversupply.
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sableye
principle of motion
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 20/04/2011 02:53:16
I've worked out I'd be alot better buying currency and working in RL, but i actually enjoy playing the GAME eve.
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death klokk
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Posted - 2011.04.20 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: death klokk on 20/04/2011 03:16:22
Wow, lots of great responses. I was half expecting to get trolled here, but am pleasantly surprised. So far from what i've gathered from responses is that some people in fact do GTC their way up, some can't because of reasons outside of their control, and others actually make less irl than in the game which is understandable depending on what part of the world you live in. (perhaps they should do RMTs for supplement income)? jkn of course. Oh, and of course the professor has a point about 35$/hr being more than what the avg citizen makes, but even then earning half of that would still put you ahead of the in game grind. I actually work an hour or 2 extra a week soley for EVE. It sounds sad at first, but then again I am much more :shrug: when i lose my pimp ship because it only cost me a few hours of my life as opposed to a few days/weeks of my life which would srsly make me never venture out of highsec or emoragequit the game entirely.
edit: Afaik you cannot convert 60day GTCs to (2) 30 day plexes.
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Methesda
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Posted - 2011.04.20 03:35:00 -
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If you want to buy it then fair enough.
To me Eve is at it's heart a role playing game. Whilst I am fine with the idea that some people just want to pvp, to me the thing that makes PVP worthwhile is the high stakes that follow having to earn the isk the slow way. Rather than simply saying to myself 'well this was five minutes work in the real world' I tell myself that this was an hour or two's work in the eve-world. I wonder how long I would last if I could simply was able to throw ships into PVP without my pulse-rate lifting.
That said, I've bought/sold GTC in the past, it's just not my main source of income. Now and again I simply decide I want to try a risky venture, and put all on it, and it's nice to know that I have a backup if it all goes horribly wrong.
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death klokk
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Posted - 2011.04.20 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Methesda
If you want to buy it then fair enough.
To me Eve is at it's heart a role playing game. Whilst I am fine with the idea that some people just want to pvp, to me the thing that makes PVP worthwhile is the high stakes that follow having to earn the isk the slow way. Rather than simply saying to myself 'well this was five minutes work in the real world' I tell myself that this was an hour or two's work in the eve-world. I wonder how long I would last if I could simply was able to throw ships into PVP without my pulse-rate lifting.
That said, I've bought/sold GTC in the past, it's just not my main source of income. Now and again I simply decide I want to try a risky venture, and put all on it, and it's nice to know that I have a backup if it all goes horribly wrong.
You have a point, but the counterargument to that is that most people, "MOST", don't just throw their money away. Regardless of whether it cost them a minute of work or a month's worth of work. Its why most people don't buy lottery tickets or gamble at all. While i agree that risk losing something of value raises your pulse rate, i'd have to guess that 90% of the reason your pulse is even raised is due to the conflict itself. If i'm flying around in my free velator and someone locks me and starts firing i scramble to avoid dying. In console games like COD or gears of war, you risk nothing at all, but I've often found myself with sweaty palms after an intense match of team deathmatch.
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The Offerer
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.20 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Yanshee
OP has a point. Fair enough if you actually enjoy the grinding process...you strange individuals. But when EVE ever becomes a chore, the whole: "I can't PVP, I've got to keep grinding Sanctums (oh no wait) to pay for this month's subscription"... do some damn overtime. Funding with PLEX isn't cheating, its just more efficient time management. Think of it as meta-gaming.
"Sorry, honey, I can't make it home until dinner. I'm working overtime so I can pay for the game. Oh, and btw. when I come home I'll just play the game, so I didn't work for nothing."
That'll end well.
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.04.20 03:59:00 -
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I always find it fascinating when RL money is traded for virtual property and then gambled. Yes buying plex is similar to gambling. There is a definite risk reward system implemented, for example you could buy GTC and buy faction fitted ships, you might win against others and make even more ISK OR you might die horribly and poof 35 bucks down the drain.
Very similar pattern to gambling IMHO. Same adrenaline rush when you loot other people ships, instead of fighting with numbers you deal red bar damage. It's just a substitute but the mechanics are almost the same.
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Yanshee
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Posted - 2011.04.20 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: The Offerer
"Sorry, honey, I can't make it home until dinner. I'm working overtime so I can pay for the game. Oh, and btw. when I come home I'll just play the game, so I didn't work for nothing."
That'll end well.
If you're really that stony broke that you do need to put in overtime just to grab some easy ISK then it's got to be unfortunate. Worse, if your missus has a problem with you putting in a few extra hours to spend on something you enjoy then you need a new one. I wasn't saying work double shifts, was just saying that the time investment is minimal for most of us to earn the GTC money compared to hours of grinding in game.
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death klokk
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Posted - 2011.04.20 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: cyndrogen
I always find it fascinating when RL money is traded for virtual property and then gambled. Yes buying plex is similar to gambling. There is a definite risk reward system implemented, for example you could buy GTC and buy faction fitted ships, you might win against others and make even more ISK OR you might die horribly and poof 35 bucks down the drain.
Very similar pattern to gambling IMHO. Same adrenaline rush when you loot other people ships, instead of fighting with numbers you deal red bar damage. It's just a substitute but the mechanics are almost the same.
Thats a good way of looking at it actually. I once bought a GTC simply because i wanted a navy issue scorp and a couple faction mods on it. Took it out on roams, actually killed a few faction ships with it before dying horribly to 2 golems. The entire experience was rather exhilarating, but afterwards I stopped being so reckless. yeah it cost me next to nothing, but in the end it was equivalent to a string of bad gambles.
To the other guy with the wife scenario. Imagine if you will, staying late one night at work so u could gtc a few billion to the dissatisfaction of your wife. Now imagine the same wife's feelings, who was ****ed her husband worked late one night, if he spent weeks ignoring her while grinding away in game. One scenario probably ends in divorce and i'm pretty sure its not the one where said husband spent a few extra hours at work.
To be clear, the thread originally started seeking answers as to "WHY" people A) instead of B) if maximum isk/hr was the goal. Nothing more or less.
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Jonathan Malcom
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.20 04:30:00 -
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I know it's sactioned by CCP and all, but spending real money for ISK just feels like cheating to me. vOv
I have no problem with other people doing it. That's just not how I want to play my game.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.20 04:32:00 -
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A perfectly illustrated example of EVE IS REALÖ
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The Antiquarian
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.20 04:35:00 -
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I agree. I might not be as talented as those folks in EVE who can create a trillion ISK out of initial 1 ISK investment. Hence, the use of PLEX to manage my time more wisely and efficiently =)
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Rumple Fourskin
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Posted - 2011.04.20 04:48:00 -
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I pay for my accounts with real money and I make all my iskies passively.
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xxHELGAxx
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Posted - 2011.04.20 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: The Antiquarian
Edited by: The Antiquarian on 20/04/2011 04:39:52
I agree. I might not be as talented as those folks in EVE who can create a trillion ISK out of initial 1 ISK investment. Hence, the use of PLEX to manage my time more wisely and efficiently since I am far more talented at generating actual United States Dollars than Interstellar Kredits. =)
And lets not forget, these are disposable income we are talking about.
Some people like to spend extra money to get the HBO channel. Others like to spend the money for the monthly subscription of p000rn. I just spend it to buy PLEX to manage my time more efficiently. Nothing wrong with it. No harms done to anyone. CCP is happy. I am happy. We are all happy!
This smiley is not happy 
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Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.04.20 04:56:00 -
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Edited by: Baneken on 20/04/2011 04:56:06
Average minimum pay is somewhere around 7,5-9Ç/hour depending so assuming your main source of income is flipping burgers that's about a full day of work.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.04.20 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: death klokk
Steps for success:
1. Get an education.
2. Get job with said education.
3. Buy GTC
4. Sell
rinse/repeat.
It's still microtransactions, be it that the profit is for the in-game plex buyer, it's not really very different from buying ships and stuff for IRL money. Personally I'm not in favour of games where you can buy your in-game financial success such a legitimate way as in EVE. Personally I wished they never invented plex at all.
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Jireel
CANUCK ENGINERING
Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2011.04.20 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
I know it's sactioned by CCP and all, but spending real money for ISK just feels like cheating to me. vOv
I have no problem with other people doing it. That's just not how I want to play my game.
Same here. I could do that easily, but I want to play the game, not buy my way through.
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death klokk
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Posted - 2011.04.20 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Originally by: death klokk
Steps for success:
1. Get an education.
2. Get job with said education.
3. Buy GTC
4. Sell
rinse/repeat.
It's still microtransactions, be it that the profit is for the in-game plex buyer, it's not really very different from buying ships and stuff for IRL money. Personally I'm not in favour of games where you can buy your in-game financial success such a legitimate way as in EVE. Personally I wished they never invented plex at all.
Well to be fair, CCP wasn't getting any of the RMT action. Lets keep it real. RMTs for isk were happening already and still do even with the implementation of the GTC for isk system. If they were to take it away tomorrow, they would cut their incomes resulting in less money for development (lol) , less money for server upgrades , etc etc.. In the end, i think they had to do it. Im glad they did though.
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