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TalonClark
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:02:00 -
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I rarely post on the forums, so why do i think this topic warrants a new tread? Well, because lets be constructive for a change, so bare with me for a moment.
tl;dr: watch this Youtube-Video, and tell us what YOU absolutely need in Incarna/CQ to make it remotely useful to you
Well, lets be honest guys, we know Incarna is beeing worked on by CCP, if we want it or not. It will come, it will have certain features and benefits for us.
BUT i'm worried. Why? because CCP has an interesting business model, put out a shell of an idea, then iterate on it later. Only that "iterating on it later" seems to always conflict with new features.
So, in light of that reality, lets tell CCP what we WANT in CQ to make it useful NOW, not later. What they should deliver right away, not in some iteration (that may come late or never).
I'm a visual person, so i made this quick mockup about what i think of the tutorial, what Aura could be, and what some functionality should be in CQ to make it worthwile for me personaly.
Now its your turn.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:03:00 -
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first (reserved)
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:11:00 -
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So long as your safe time in station is, at best, limited to 15 mins or so before people can start tracking you down and sticking poison gas canisters in your ventilation or something, I'll be happy with the changes brought in by physical station access.
If there's no direct PvP with real consequences (isk loss, clone loss, etc) then it's getting an indifferent shrug at best. Shiny new packaging for GUIs and an in-game fitting tool are nice, but we've already got those in common third-party apps.
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Supercon
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:18:00 -
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You're kind of late there. You should've inputted your opinions and suggestions to the GMs who were on the CQ Testing channel in Duality. I already gave my suggestions directly to them.
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UGWidowmaker
Caldari
freelancers inc
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:18:00 -
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its a hard one tbh. cause instead of thinking spaceship game we now has to think, space SIM. and as such i wanna PIMP my CQ getting chairs, furniture, medals and stuff, not to mention an option to record fleet fights and fights to see em in there. pinball maschine, pool tables the list is endless. not to mention a tv in there from wich i can play flash within so i can see my **** directly in eve.. LOL u gte the idea.. a place i can model and decorate to be as i want and not how ccp want.
OMFG
I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
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Mortania
Minmatar
No Compromise
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:23:00 -
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TWO characters at full rez in the CQ at the same time? Are you crazy?!!?
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Sirius Cassiopeiae
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:24:00 -
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 Originally by: TalonClark
I rarely post on the forums, so why do i think this topic warrants a new tread? Well, because lets be constructive for a change, so bare with me for a moment.
tl;dr: watch this Youtube-Video, and tell us what YOU absolutely need in Incarna/CQ to make it remotely useful to you
Well, lets be honest guys, we know Incarna is beeing worked on by CCP, if we want it or not. It will come, it will have certain features and benefits for us.
BUT i'm worried. Why? because CCP has an interesting business model, put out a shell of an idea, then iterate on it later. Only that "iterating on it later" seems to always conflict with new features.
So, in light of that reality, lets tell CCP what we WANT in CQ to make it useful NOW, not later. What they should deliver right away, not in some iteration (that may come late or never).
I'm a visual person, so i made this quick mockup about what i think of the tutorial, what Aura could be, and what some functionality should be in CQ to make it worthwile for me personaly.
Now its your turn.
I like your vision of CQ...
i like it...
+1
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mortania
TWO characters at full rez in the CQ at the same time? Are you crazy?!!?
ya know there is some real good graphic cards able to do so with ease and relatively cheap.
either way nice video.
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TalonClark
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Supercon
You're kind of late there. You should've inputted your opinions and suggestions to the GMs who were on the CQ Testing channel in Duality. I already gave my suggestions directly to them.
Well, i don't really think i'm late here. This was just a first test for them, to get some feedback (i did that in written form on day1, but i didn't feel to get the point across so i made some visual feedback).
I'm very pragmatic, i know ccp will work on this technology for further products. The question will be: do we get more then a techdemo?
I just don't see it happening yet, let me make a few examples:
- they want to make this immersive, but to be immersive it has to be interactive, it has to bring some usefull functionality. If its just another background, its not immersive.
- they want to bring us a better tutorial-experience and hook new players into the game. with a text-window tutorial? really?
- they plan to cancel the hangar view. i'm against that not because i'm attatched to the hangar view, but because it thing immersion includes a visual link between pilot->pod->ship->space. If you lose the hangar view, you take a link out of that chain.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:00:00 -
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I was thinking about making the same sort of video. and yes this is exactlly what we need. its spot on.
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Xervish Krin
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:24:00 -
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Great video :D This is exactly the kind of thing CCP should be working on for the CQ and especially the new player experience.
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Nutbolt
Avalon Project
Shadow Rock Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:35:00 -
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I dind't test out CQ so don't know what its like, but I like what I saw in your video with the additions you made :)
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: UGWidowmaker
its a hard one tbh. cause instead of thinking spaceship game we now has to think, space SIM. and as such i wanna PIMP my CQ getting chairs, furniture, medals and stuff, not to mention an option to record fleet fights and fights to see em in there. pinball maschine, pool tables the list is endless. not to mention a tv in there from wich i can play flash within so i can see my **** directly in eve.. LOL u gte the idea.. a place i can model and decorate to be as i want and not how ccp want.
Wait a few years and get ready to insert a lot of PLEX into it.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:00:00 -
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CCP absolutely does NOT have the talent to do what you put in that video. CCP's talent is all backend. I'm not saying putting together something like that video would be hard for a serious game developer. But look at the client. Client-side performance degrades with every single patch. The UI gets worse and more cluttered with every single patch, whether it's gadawful keyboard shortcuts, right-click menus 50 items long and 10 levels deep, or things like wiping out contacts folders with no means to replace them (took a gawd damned year to get a replacement and it's still halfassed.) No, CCP are the UI flunkies of game developers. Asking CCP for a beautiful, slick, intuitive, immersive UI is like... some analogy about something being philosophically impossible. You'd think for a game that's been in development for a decade, the designers would have figured out how to make user/software interactions not suck, but this is CCP we're talking about.
TL;DR - your video rocks, and that's why you'll never see it. CCP is bar none the worst UI development team out there.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:01:00 -
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Well done.
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Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: UGWidowmaker
its a hard one tbh. cause instead of thinking spaceship game we now has to think, space SIM. and as such i wanna PIMP my CQ getting chairs, furniture, medals and stuff, not to mention an option to record fleet fights and fights to see em in there. pinball maschine, pool tables the list is endless. not to mention a tv in there from wich i can play flash within so i can see my **** directly in eve.. LOL u gte the idea.. a place i can model and decorate to be as i want and not how ccp want.
Basically you want a second monitor? most of EvE has dual screen setups, so I want more than that.
I'm lookin forward to Incarna but as far as I can tell CQ offers pretty much nothing we cant already do, just a new way to do it.
Need at least 2 pod pilots in a room before any fun can be had =(
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Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:29:00 -
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I like how the use of voice and visuals were used to narrate what is going on.
This is what constructive feedback and posting looks like. Thanks for sharing.
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Night Epoch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:30:00 -
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cool video, very well done
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2011.04.26 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: TalonClark
tl;dr: watch this Youtube-Video, and tell us what YOU absolutely need in Incarna/CQ to make it remotely useful to you
I liked the ending best!
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Max Singularity
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Posted - 2011.04.26 00:21:00 -
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Posting in Epic Game Design thread.
Very well done. This is user contributed game design at its total best. There are a lot of features in this video that would be really cool and immersive for the new players especially the pilot-pod-ship transition. "Be bold pilot".
Well done TalonClark
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Adaris
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Posted - 2011.04.26 00:28:00 -
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Your video is very well done.
I hope CCP take it onboard in its entirety.
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Commissar Kate
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Posted - 2011.04.26 00:31:00 -
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Owww I like the capsule part, they really need to reinforce the fact we are capsuleers, not just some dude standing on the bridge of a ship yelling at people.
Cool video nonetheless, everything you put in there would make it more useful and immersive.
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Samuel Caldara
b.b.k
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.26 02:12:00 -
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+1
Seriously, well done...
CCP, we the player base are begging you to look at this, and to figure out how to implement these ideas. If CQ looks and functions as well as this I can personally say that my faith in you as a company and a group of developers will be restored.
Other things I would love to see:
Add functions of EFT into CQ
Instead of just being able to see the module, let us be able to see it's effects on our current ship with our current skills.
Pod animation (MUST BE DISABLE-ABLE) -
I'd love to see the animation of our character crawling/being sucked into the pod. But it really must be disable-able..
Seriously..
Otherwise I love it.
P.S. - And one more thing. If you could make a visualizer plug that works with the jukebox and gives us a pretty light show as well as letting us add tracks to juke I think I might find a new alternative to ship spinning
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.04.26 02:33:00 -
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Excellent. Extremely well-done. +1 (well, if I could upvote...)
Especially love the ending. We NEED that in-game. The game does not do nearly enough to emphasize how capsuleers actually function. Being able to see your character enter their pod and everything is a huge step forward for both immersion and actual knowledge of the lore (as it gets REALLY annoying when players very obviously know nothing about how you actually pilot the ship... it's kind of a big detail). I hope CCP pays attention to this.
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Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
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Posted - 2011.04.26 02:36:00 -
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Holy.
Remind me again why you aren't employed by CCP?
Oh wait, because you're competent.
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Alex Cortex
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2011.04.26 03:48:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Cortex on 26/04/2011 03:50:49
Wow, awesome job. The main thing I agree with is the AURA holographic tutorial system. While not really /necessary/, it's just what I visualized myself. It's enough to grab the attention of new players without having a series of boring tutorial text pop-ups, and a great way to organize the information.
And the pod video. We definitely need that. Isn't that from a trailer CCP released a long while back? If so it should be easy to implement (just have it play on a first-time basis). (edit: I realize it's the Incarna teaser in reverse)
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Tarac Nor
Caldari
The Price of Darkness
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Posted - 2011.04.26 04:07:00 -
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looks awesome!
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Frank Lonehorn
Gallente
New Eden's Industral Revolution
New Eden's Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.26 05:49:00 -
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Now that is what i want, good job.
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Londo Cebb
Official Market Discussions Troll
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Posted - 2011.04.26 05:55:00 -
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Yes.
CCP please make this a reality.
Clicking a looped video to pop up an already existing window does not cut it.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr
Imperial Manufactorum
Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.04.26 05:58:00 -
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This is better
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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