No amount of buffing can "fix" low-sec. Change it.

Nullsec needs buffed but also fixed. Corp/Alliance controls can be something that would give a indirect boost, also fixing POSs, redoing industry in 0.0. reverting the anomoly nerf, market only usable if you have docking rights, adding more entry points, etc.

Access, Sovereignty etc, Killboard stats being more important than actually playing the game, greifers.. need I go on ....


Tal

Yes, yes you need to go on, and try to formulate at least a single reasonable argument.

Access to all systems in EVE happens via stargates or wormholes, and there are a lot of those. Low and wormholes have no sov.

Killboard bitches and griefers exist only in hisec.

This thread is once again full of ignorant hisec trolls, repeating the same canned arguments they've read somewhere, without even considering what they mean, ad nauseaum.

Like bots.

I'm not surprised that someone like you considers that post intellectual. In this trainwreck of a thread, even just writing ablababluu would have been enough to impress.

You don't blitz them for the LP?

What a nerd.

I always wished we could use bombs in low sec and could never come up with a reasonable excuse why they shouldn't be allowed.

Also liked it when you had to actually put time and effort into probing down grav and radar sites. You could mine Gneiss and Crokite for hours on end in low sec and not have to worry (too much) about getting jumped... and hell, if you did get jumped, the guys who dropped in earned the opportunity to do so.

Not that anyone gives a crap, but I'd love to see just those two things happen to buff low sec.

Right, because whiners from low and null are the problem in EVE.

Right, because whiners from low and null are the problem in EVE.

The crimewatch changes are going to fundamentally change lowsec already... making it a lot safer (since lowsec gatecamps as we know them will be a thing of the past). If they de-incentivize high sec particularly around industry, mining, and missions, as I understand they are planning to do, I think lowsec will get a lot more interesting.

With regards to nullsec, you hit pretty much everything. I might add slowing down fleets/teleportation and maybe player controlled gates. New cap rolls and a specialized dread class of titan killer might be a good idea too...

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The crimewatch changes are going to fundamentally change lowsec already... making it a lot safer (since lowsec gatecamps as we know them will be a thing of the past). If they de-incentivize high sec particularly around industry, mining, and missions, as I understand they are planning to do, I think lowsec will get a lot more interesting.

With regards to nullsec, you hit pretty much everything. I might add slowing down fleets/teleportation and maybe player controlled gates. New cap rolls and a specialized dread class of titan killer might be a good idea too...

Right, because whiners from low and null are the problem in EVE.

The market thing would be really nice, for one. It's extremely irritating going to buy a named 10MN MWD and finding all of them in the region have been relisted at 1.5B each.

Tal, don't bother replying if you have nothing intelligent to say, just stick to calling people who don't agree with you "trolls".

To make it clear to anyone else, i want all parts of eve to be an amazing and fun experience but i currently think high sec holds the game back a little in that it instilled a aversion to risk and as evident in this thread, a scene of entitlement.

I agree with those that say low/null sec needs to be improved gameplay wise to attract people but it is not as simple as saying "they should fix it".

In the short term, i think the best way would be to slightly nerf high sec in the form of isk payouts so that more people would get out there and find better ways to make isk and in turn, discover new ways to play the game. Without such a change, i feel people will be content to stay running level 4's at 100 mil + per hour and afk mining all day, to a degree where they may even overlook the changes that CCP have already made or will be making (FW, Dust) in the future.

Than how would I make any money?

There are people in high-sec that are full-on carebears. They will never leave. But all the other players, and the newer players, have little incentive to leave to the dangerous parts of the galaxy, as certain death awaits. The rewards of these areas of space don't exceed the risk. I personally feel that there should be a natural evolution for players, that after they've learned enough of eve's crazy-massive learning curve, they can take the steps from the safety of high, into low and null. As it stands, this is not working. Lowsec is a barren wasteland, and serves more as a barrer between high and null than anything else. All the players that live there want is a steady flow of victims into their gatecamps. They've become the victims to their own actions, and have taught anyone that comes under their guns that lowsec is not a place to travel.

So i definately agree that buffing lowsec could act as a catalyst for highsec players to try breaking their mold. If the reward is great enough, then they might be willing to take the risk. More rewards for highsec players, and more potential targets for the lowsec dwellers. Win, win!
[Controversial addendum] - Adding those new scalling-damage gate-guns into the mix, and now we're taking! Less gatecamps means even more high-sec players in low. Which means even more targets to explode!! Only difference is, you have to hunt them down, instead of the current gatecamp bordom. Leveling the playing field could leave to loads of players having a positive PVP experience in low security space, rather than the standard OMGWTFPWNED experience.

Don't think null should be buffed mind, they're making crap-tons of isk. Though suggestions of changes that get them all fighting over things would be welcome!

Apparently it needs more isk and incentive for peeps to move there, fun is relative btw.

No it doesn't, doesn't matter how much rewards you put there. You could make sites pop can with trillions of isk in low sec would still be the waste land it is.
The problem is not low sec rewards amount available, it's players living there and low sec travelling mechanics.

[Controversial addendum] - Adding those new scalling-damage gate-guns into the mix, and now we're taking! Less gatecamps means even more high-sec players in low. Which means even more targets to explode!! Only difference is, you have to hunt them down, instead of the current gatecamp bordom.

I was being sarcastic. Though cans worth trillions might be worth it, then again....inflation.

If you mean no one is going to give them space for free yes you are correct. You need to do 1 of three things 1 Take space and hold on to it 2 rent space 3 make friends with another alliance and get space but you will have to show up to OPs and put your dues in to stay in said space. Null wants people I think your friends just want a null haven that is completly safe. I have moved to null and back 3 times because of losing space it is a part of the game.

Your point? I live in Null. Well aware. Doesn't stop people who are interested from running into road blocks. They liike PvE and mining. They would do fine in Null but as soon as someone finds out they'd rather shoot their own foot than take their skiff or Raven to a fleet. Well, no one is interested. As for renting... Yeah, that is a good deal. Either way, I think there are things in Null that a lot of people would like to do but they aren't wanted because they aren't interested in PvP and holding Sov. If Null idiots weren't so aggressive and power hungry then they would be able to go to Null. As it is they're reasonably happy in High-Sec where they can do their own thing without much worry. I wonder just how many people live in High-Sec for those exact same reasons, hmmm.....

Solo PVP is DEAD. Fix that. Not everybody wants to join some nerds and listen their mumbling just to be able to play the game.

Reducing the risk of being killed may solve the problem:
1. remove warp scramblers, warp disruptors, warp bubbles\scripts from the game
2. increase the time required to start the warp drives
3. decrease incoming damage from multiple ships (something like stacking penalty)

For example, you will have like 15 seconds to kill a ship, if you fail - it will go away. Simple.
In the end, you'll see a lot more pew-pew, because people will have a chance of escape.