EVE Search - Heavy Cruisers vs. Battleships

All Channels

Ships and Modules

Heavy Cruisers vs. Battleships

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page]
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 0 post(s)
Parallax	Posted - 2005.02.09 19:04:00 - [1] I have a question regarding the power of these 2 classes of ships. Overall, are heavy cruisers considered less powerful than battleships? The skill requirements to fit into a heavy cruiser are staggering when compared to fitting into a battleship. This leads me to believe that heavy cruisers should be superior in a one on one encounter. But, after doing some reading on the forums it seems that battleships have the upper hand. Am I totally off? What is the general perception about these 2 classes of ships from you guys that have been playing a while? If battleships are superior why would you take all that time to train for heavy cruisers? Where is the payback for getting a 5x skill to level 5?
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.02.09 19:10:00 - [2] HAC = tech 2 BS = tech 1. That explains the requirements. I am quite sure a HAC has beaten a BS in 1vs 1 on a number of occasions but it all comes down to the skill of pilots. I've beaten inty's in a frig, AF's in an inty, cruisers in an AF, cruisers in an inty, and cruisers in a frig. If you trained for a HAC thinking it was a BS beater then you just wasted some sp's. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Parallax	Posted - 2005.02.09 19:16:00 - [3] I understand its tech 2 and I understand that a piolts skill can change the outcome of individual encounters, but it seems to me from purely a skill training perspective that a tech 2 cruiser should be greater in power than a tech 1 battleship while a tech 2 battleship (whenver they may arrive) would be king.
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.02.09 19:23:00 - [4] They're advanced, really kick ass cruisers! anyhthing else you think they should or should not do is complete bull****. They're cruisers t2 cruisers, not battleship eaters, godships, or flying squirrels. If that doesn't do it for you, fly something else. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Sangxianc	Posted - 2005.02.09 19:24:00 - [5] Heavy Assault Cruisers are sexy, Battleships are boring and everyone flies them. - Any man's death diminishes me, as I am involved in mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.02.09 19:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Gariuys They're advanced, really kick ass cruisers! anyhthing else you think they should or should not do is complete bull**. They're cruisers t2 cruisers, not battleship eaters, godships, or flying squirrels. If that doesn't do it for you, fly something else. Hey, LTNS. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
Sangxianc	Posted - 2005.02.09 19:34:00 - [7] LTNS? - Any man's death diminishes me, as I am involved in mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee.
Iratus Caelestis	Posted - 2005.02.09 19:42:00 - [8] Some of the HAC are capable of killing BS's without too much trouble but it is all down to how the engagement is set up, if everything in the engagement is right for the HAC but not completely for the BS then the HAC would win but it is in no way a given. If I'm in a Deimos and a non Caldari BS is within 15k of me, I'll probably kill it seeing as I can do 15-20k points of raw damage in a minute. If it isn't in that range I am unlikely to be able to do it solo. At the end of the day though HAC's are just a lot more fun than BS's and extremely good in their specialised roles. They are nowhere near as versatile or durable as a BS.
Tarm	Posted - 2005.02.09 19:49:00 - [9] I play this game to have fun. I have approx 10x more fun in my HACs then in my battleships. -Fin- -------------------
Weston McArthur	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Tarm I play this game to have fun. I have approx 10x more fun in my HACs then in my battleships. -Fin- Amen.
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:03:00 - [11] The biggest advantage of bs over any HAC is Heavy Nos. Nos are pretty popular, and it's rather stupid not to have at least one. So if your HAC gets within 25km of the bs, then things will get rather difficult for you. Basically, HAC is more fun to fly and even tho most people fly bs, there are still a lot of noobs that don't equip properly, thus become easy pickings
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Face Lifter The biggest advantage of bs over any HAC is Heavy Nos. Nos are pretty popular, and it's rather stupid not to have at least one. So if your HAC gets within 25km of the bs, then things will get rather difficult for you. Basically, HAC is more fun to fly and even tho most people fly bs, there are still a lot of noobs that don't equip properly, thus become easy pickings Don't 3 med nos outperform 2 hvy nos? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:09:00 - [13] Edited by: Gariuys on 09/02/2005 20:11:11 Originally by: Sangxianc LTNS? Long time no see, which is too true, RL is a complete and total ***** and deserves to be shot. Oh and LTNS is a lot less obscure then IATJC heavy nos is 8.3 cap/sec med nos is 5 cap/sec ( both t1, t2 med nos is 6c/s ) so give or take a little yep. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Meridius	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:17:00 - [14] Heavy assault cruisers fun expensive toys. If you have the isk and are bored of battleships, this is the way to go. Battleships are relatively cheap and can be far more effective. IMO, interceptors are still the most effective tech 2 ships out there in terms of ship cost/risk/how much damage you can cause before you pop. ________________________________________________________
TheHerbster	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:20:00 - [15] I agree with Iratus, it really depends on the circumstances of who/what you are attacking. If the BS is setup to fight a HAC it would be very difficult. HAC seem to be best for ganking low sec miners, or PvP when you have maybe some jamming support from a BB etc. I haven't tried it yet but I think a Zealot (damage setup for shields mainly), Deimos and a BB or 2 would be an awesome combination. I think the payoff is the new style of fighting and fun that can be had. If you have been playing long enough to fly a HAC, you will certainly appreciate how much more fun it is, and think it worthwhile all the time you spent training for it. Don't worry sir!! They couldn't hit an elephant at this ra.....
Face Lifter	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:25:00 - [16] >Don't 3 med nos outperform 2 hvy nos? maybe, but who in their right mind would equip HAC with 3 med nos? unless it's Ishtar t1 standard Heavy Nos: 8.33 cap per second, 2 of these is 16.66 cap/sec t1 standard Medium Nos: 5 cap per second, 3 of these is 15 cap/sec the best thing about Heavy Nos is the big range
Meridius	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Don't 3 med nos outperform 2 hvy nos? 3x Medium Diminishing = 18 cap/s 2x Heavy Diminshing = 20 cap/s Nope, not even equal to. ________________________________________________________
Bhal'rog	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Meridius Originally by: Joshua Calvert Don't 3 med nos outperform 2 hvy nos? 3x Medium Diminishing = 18 cap/s 2x Heavy Diminshing = 20 cap/s Nope, not even equal to. Not to mention the range differential
Amerame	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:41:00 - [19] Heavy Assault Ship and Battleship are different, there's no need to compare them.
Deakgu	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:49:00 - [20] I would train for t2 cruisers anyway, as it will be required for t2 bs
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2005.02.09 20:58:00 - [21] I don't care whether they're better than a BS, they're a nice new shiny toy Purple Mallers 4tw
Magorath	Posted - 2005.02.09 21:01:00 - [22] They are designed to be able to massicare Curisers thats their whole purpose Same with Assault Frigates, kill Frigates with ease.
Eyeshadow	Posted - 2005.02.09 21:14:00 - [23] Originally by: Magorath They are designed to be able to massicare Curisers thats their whole purpose Same with Assault Frigates, kill Frigates with ease. aye i would agree with that post. They can kill a solo BS, but they can also kill multiple cruisers with ease Forums: Sharks - MC
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2005.02.09 22:13:00 - [24] As mentioned, a HAC is an advanced Cruiser - more advanced than a Cruiser or Battlecruiser, but lacking the pure size and power of a Battleship. Not to say they aren't powerful - in the correct circumstance a HAC can kill a Battleship in a duel. For example, the Deimos specialises in getting under your nose where your large guns simply can't get to, then pins you down and beats you with damage output on par with that of a Battleship. In defence of the Battleship, if it uses large energy vampires or torpedoes hitting in a certain type - it is quite likely the HAC will lose, since it has neither the armour hitpoints to withstand punishment in its achilles, nor does it have massive reserves of capacitor like a Battleship. This is what makes, say, a Raven so deadly to a Deimos - even at close-range, the Raven can hit it hard with a torpedo stream, whilst slowly sucking on its capacitor. Of course, the people who fly HACs are experienced pilots - both in terms of SPs and actual combat hours - so they will rarely face down something they know could very well kill them. What HACs offer is specialised, massive killing power - all wrapped up in the speed and size of a cruiser. Battleships win the wars, but HACs are just fun. Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
Toran Mehtar	Posted - 2005.02.09 22:57:00 - [25] Once you've flown HAC, you won't look back
Christina Aguilera	Posted - 2005.02.09 23:07:00 - [26] Edited by: Christina Aguilera on 09/02/2005 23:11:41
Garramon	Posted - 2005.02.10 03:36:00 - [27] MMMM....call me a Carebear but my Cerberus is great for NPCing. Missles are kinda sucky for PvP atm though. Works great against stupid tacklers though. ------------------------------------------------
Niaski Zalani	Posted - 2005.02.10 07:23:00 - [28] Originally by: Toran Mehtar Once you've flown HAC, you won't look back Indeed. yarr?
fras	Posted - 2005.02.10 09:40:00 - [29] Even though most of them have great resistances they're still restricted by HP and most of all by cap. Given equal relevant skills and experience you wouldn't bet against a BS in a BS v HAC fight. They're great at what they do, and they're fun to fly, but they're not BS beaters and neither they should be.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2005.02.10 09:42:00 - [30] I'd use my Deimos for PvP if it wasn't for the fact that it's hard as hell to find one on a short notice, while I can buy gankageddons in Yulai. Of course, the Deimos has better tanking and only a bit less damage output than the gankageddon...
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2005.02.10 09:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Parallax I understand its tech 2 and I understand that a piolts skill can change the outcome of individual encounters, but it seems to me from purely a skill training perspective that a tech 2 cruiser should be greater in power than a tech 1 battleship while a tech 2 battleship (whenver they may arrive) would be king. That's not the case. A heavy assault cruiser is merely a specialized version of it's T1 equivalent. The usual pros & cons of the shipclass itself still apply though, which implies that even a HAC is vulnerable to battleships. The high skill requirements are justified when you compare HACs to their T1 equivalents. They're not only much more powerful when compared to their own class's ships but also they are so powerful that they even become a serious threat to a battleship in a given 1on1 scenario. You shouldn't say "wtf it's less powerful than a bs!". It's more like "wtf this thing is so extreme it can even kill a bs given the right circumstances!". Mai's Idealog
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.02.10 10:12:00 - [32] The original argument was that since HACs need more SPs to fly than BSs, HACs should be the better ships. Well, it also takes more skill points to fly logistics cruisers, assault frigates, and interceptors. Should any of them be able to destroy a battleship more often than not? Of course not! Assault cruisers and battleships are different types of ship and have different uses. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
meowcat	Posted - 2005.02.10 10:37:00 - [33] i would be worried if a had a Diemos next to me whilst flying a sniperthron. similarly, i would be concerned about a raven or gankageddon whilst in a diemos at 30km like all things Eve, setup is king ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
snutt	Posted - 2005.02.10 10:52:00 - [34] Edited by: snutt on 10/02/2005 10:55:23 Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd use my Deimos for PvP if it wasn't for the fact that it's hard as hell to find one on a short notice, while I can buy gankageddons in Yulai. Of course, the Deimos has better tanking and only a bit less damage output than the gankageddon... Uhm.. no . A gankgeddon do ~900hp/s with good skills, 7x 425s do about 240hp/s on a megathron, and a deimos with heavy electrons do 220hp/s. Unless one consider 680hp/s 'only a bit less damage output', then uhm.. right whatever. Mess with the best, die like the rest Real men structure tank
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2005.02.10 11:12:00 - [35] There does appear to be a general consensus that because HACs take so many skillpoints to fly, and are so expensive to maintain, that they must be able to take on a measly Battleship. Not so - given the right circumstance a HAC can destroy a Battleship e.g. a Deimos getting under 10Km on an Armageddon usually spells a sticky end for the Amarr behemoth - but on the general scale of things, a well-piloted Battleship usually comes out the victor. What they are, as mentioned above, are highly-advanced versions of their mother ship. In the case of the Deimos, it's basically a super Thorax - with weapon systems, capacitor and armour that would make a Cruiser run for cover, and a Battleship certainly re-consider its situation. Indeed, I have fought two Thoraxes at the same time in the Deimos - and the result? Two kill-mails sixty seconds apart, they really are that much better than your average cruiser. Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
Paniq	Posted - 2005.02.10 11:15:00 - [36] Originally by: Gariuys They're advanced, really kick ass cruisers! anyhthing else you think they should or should not do is complete bull****. They're cruisers t2 cruisers, not battleship eaters, godships, or flying squirrels. If that doesn't do it for you, fly something else. I wanted a flying squirrel...
Xavier Cardde	Posted - 2005.02.10 11:25:00 - [37] Originally by: Parallax I understand its tech 2 and I understand that a piolts skill can change the outcome of individual encounters, but it seems to me from purely a skill training perspective that a tech 2 cruiser should be greater in power than a tech 1 battleship while a tech 2 battleship (whenver they may arrive) would be king. HAS's at most cost 80 mil... they shouldnt be able to solo a Raven or Apoc.
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.02.10 11:37:00 - [38] Originally by: snutt Edited by: snutt on 10/02/2005 10:55:23 Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd use my Deimos for PvP if it wasn't for the fact that it's hard as hell to find one on a short notice, while I can buy gankageddons in Yulai. Of course, the Deimos has better tanking and only a bit less damage output than the gankageddon... Uhm.. no . A gankgeddon do ~900hp/s with good skills, 7x 425s do about 240hp/s on a megathron, and a deimos with heavy electrons do 220hp/s. Unless one consider 680hp/s 'only a bit less damage output', then uhm.. right whatever. A good skilled deimos pilot can get close too 500dps out of his deimos. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Slithereen	Posted - 2005.02.10 11:38:00 - [39] A Zealot with 4 Heavy Pulse 2s, and at least three Heat Sink IIs. That machine will cut you in half like a buzzsaw by the time you finish this sentence. _______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
snutt	Posted - 2005.02.10 12:07:00 - [40] Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: snutt Edited by: snutt on 10/02/2005 10:55:23 Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd use my Deimos for PvP if it wasn't for the fact that it's hard as hell to find one on a short notice, while I can buy gankageddons in Yulai. Of course, the Deimos has better tanking and only a bit less damage output than the gankageddon... Uhm.. no . A gankgeddon do ~900hp/s with good skills, 7x 425s do about 240hp/s on a megathron, and a deimos with heavy electrons do 220hp/s. Unless one consider 680hp/s 'only a bit less damage output', then uhm.. right whatever. A good skilled deimos pilot can get close too 500dps out of his deimos. The calculations was done with level 5 in all skills. Furthermore; 5x Neutron IIs + 5 MFSIIs (+1x rcu to fit) = ~650hp/s, and that leaves no room for MWD. 5x Ion IIs + 6 MFSIIs = ~680hp/s, with some more room for mwd. To reach over 500hp/s you'll need to fit 5 Ion IIs and atleast 3 MFSIIs. Same as above but with 2 MFSIIs put you at 460hp/s. But it doesn't really matter. The point I was trying to make was simply that his statement was ridiculous and purely based on speculations. Mess with the best, die like the rest Real men structure tank
Gariuys	Posted - 2005.02.10 12:12:00 - [41] Originally by: snutt Originally by: Gariuys Originally by: snutt Edited by: snutt on 10/02/2005 10:55:23 Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd use my Deimos for PvP if it wasn't for the fact that it's hard as hell to find one on a short notice, while I can buy gankageddons in Yulai. Of course, the Deimos has better tanking and only a bit less damage output than the gankageddon... Uhm.. no . A gankgeddon do ~900hp/s with good skills, 7x 425s do about 240hp/s on a megathron, and a deimos with heavy electrons do 220hp/s. Unless one consider 680hp/s 'only a bit less damage output', then uhm.. right whatever. A good skilled deimos pilot can get close too 500dps out of his deimos. The calculations was done with level 5 in all skills. Furthermore; 5x Neutron IIs + 5 MFSIIs (+1x rcu to fit) = ~650hp/s, and that leaves no room for MWD. 5x Ion IIs + 6 MFSIIs = ~680hp/s, with some more room for mwd. To reach over 500hp/s you'll need to fit 5 Ion IIs and atleast 3 MFSIIs. Same as above but with 2 MFSIIs put you at 460hp/s. But it doesn't really matter. The point I was trying to make was simply that his statement was ridiculous and purely based on speculations. I said close too and wasn't even assuming lvl 4s, you are however forgetting the 10 med drones, which combined with a reasonable 2 MFSII setup and some ions, puts you at around the 500dps mark with good skills. You're right though it doesn't compaire too a gankageddon. Although with superior tracking against a battleship that 500 damage is quite a bit more. But getting that into the equiation accurately is all but impossible. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Parallax	Posted - 2005.02.10 13:58:00 - [42] Thanks for all the great reply's everybody. As an old newbie, (I played EVE when it first came out for a few months and just recently came back) I appreciate the feedback and the clarification. The idea of piloting a HAC greatly appeals to me but I wanted to know what role the ship plays. I'll probably go way of the battleship before I end up flying a HAC. But, there is no rush. I want to maximize my abilites as a tier 1 cruiser pilot and probably a battlecruiser before I rush into a battleship. Once again. Thanks.
Tarm	Posted - 2005.02.10 14:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Parallax Thanks for all the great reply's everybody. As an old newbie, (I played EVE when it first came out for a few months and just recently came back) I appreciate the feedback and the clarification. The idea of piloting a HAC greatly appeals to me but I wanted to know what role the ship plays. I'll probably go way of the battleship before I end up flying a HAC. But, there is no rush. I want to maximize my abilites as a tier 1 cruiser pilot and probably a battlecruiser before I rush into a battleship. Once again. Thanks. I wouldn't fly a HAC until you have extensive (read:months) of BS training. Fighting in a battleship gives you the feel of your ship and your enemy's. When you understand what battleships can do in combat, you can successfully engage them in a HAC (or run). If you don't know what the other person has fitted, or how PvP against multiple opponents works, you will be a very short-lived HAC pilot. Plus, HACs are dang expensive. -------------------
DARKKK	Posted - 2005.02.10 14:41:00 - [44] I have one quite stupid question: can i fly gallente HAC if i don't have gallente frig lvl5?
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.02.10 14:45:00 - [45] Originally by: DAR*** I have one quite stupid question: can i fly gallente HAC if i don't have gallente frig lvl5? You can, but you do need Gallente Cruiser skill to level 5, as well as Heavy Assault Ships to level 1. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
DARKKK	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:04:00 - [46] and requirement for hac skill is assault ship lvl4, which i have from other race... great :)
Parallax	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:16:00 - [47] Originally by: DAR*** and requirement for hac skill is assault ship lvl4, which i have from other race... great :) The level 5 gallente cruiser is the real show stopper. That will take many moons to train up.
Anjerrai Meloanis	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:27:00 - [48] what 20 days for cruiser 5? hardly long... uh.
Parallax	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:32:00 - [49] Edited by: Parallax on 10/02/2005 15:32:35 Originally by: Anjerrai Meloanis what 20 days for cruiser 5? hardly long... You can train a 5x skill to level 5 in 20 days?
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Parallax Edited by: Parallax on 10/02/2005 15:32:35 Originally by: Anjerrai Meloanis what 20 days for cruiser 5? hardly long... You can train a 5x skill to level 5 in 20 days? with good learning skills and good atributes, yes B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Dash Ripcock	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:47:00 - [51] Depends on your attributes; I have 24 perception and willpower, and trained Gallente Cruiser 5 in about 20-21 days, with HAC 5 taking about 26 (rank 6). Battle Angels Inc - The Movie
LUKEC	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:55:00 - [52] it takes less than 23d with perc19/will24 yup i'm blind amarr
Parallax	Posted - 2005.02.10 15:57:00 - [53] Originally by: Dash Ripcock Depends on your attributes; I have 24 perception and willpower, and trained Gallente Cruiser 5 in about 20-21 days, with HAC 5 taking about 26 (rank 6). Nice. It will take me a lot longer than that with my current character. I stand corrected.
piercer	Posted - 2005.02.10 16:27:00 - [54] Originally by: Sangxianc Heavy Assault Cruisers are sexy, Battleships are boring and everyone flies them. to true. im training for a sacrilage because: 1) they rock 2) they r pimpin 3) they rock 4) they r pimpin 5) they rock oh and: 6)they rock ---------------------------------------- (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Bunny had an accident. Bunny lost his head.
Ortu Konsinni	Posted - 2005.02.10 16:45:00 - [55] Originally by: Deakgu I would train for t2 cruisers anyway, as it will be required for t2 bs Uh, how do you know? T2 cruisers don't need Frigate V; I doubt T2 battleships will require Cruiser V.
Tarm	Posted - 2005.02.10 20:50:00 - [56] Edited by: Tarm on 10/02/2005 20:52:33 Originally by: Ortu Konsinni Originally by: Deakgu I would train for t2 cruisers anyway, as it will be required for t2 bs Uh, how do you know? T2 cruisers don't need Frigate V; I doubt T2 battleships will require Cruiser V. Please keep in mind that the Heavy Assault skill requires Assault Ships lvl 4 to train, but not the race specific frigate 5. The ships themselves require a lvl 5 ship skill. The Dreadnoughts will most likely require Assualt Ships 4, Heavy Assault ships 4, and all related skill requirements.....NOT frigate nor cruiser level 5. -------------------
Baun	Posted - 2005.02.10 21:45:00 - [57] Originally by: piercer Originally by: Sangxianc Heavy Assault Cruisers are sexy, Battleships are boring and everyone flies them. to true. im training for a sacrilage because: 1) they rock 2) they r pimpin 3) they rock 4) they r pimpin 5) they rock oh and: 6)they rock They also do about as much damage as a sneeze The Enemy's Gate is Down
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2005.02.10 21:51:00 - [58] Without wanting to be an ass, but...Any HAC setup for BS killing, will own a BS in a 1v1. The only possible exception being the Raven, and a jamming Scorp. And most setups involving more then 2 L Nosf. And ... Actually, i think you see where im going towards right? /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
VossKarr	Posted - 2005.02.10 22:44:00 - [59] Originally by: Tarm The Dreadnoughts will most likely require Assualt Ships 4, Heavy Assault ships 4, and all related skill requirements.....NOT frigate nor cruiser level 5. Dreads? I doubt that. T2 battleships, on the other hand, most likely will.
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2005.02.10 23:24:00 - [60] Originally by: Joshua Calvert HAC = tech 2 BS = tech 1. That explains the requirements. I am quite sure a HAC has beaten a BS in 1vs 1 on a number of occasions but it all comes down to the skill of pilots. I've beaten inty's in a frig, AF's in an inty, cruisers in an AF, cruisers in an inty, and cruisers in a frig. If you trained for a HAC thinking it was a BS beater then you just wasted some sp's. I call them potential setups, but sure, skill is good.
Bad'Boy	Posted - 2005.02.10 23:40:00 - [61] Originally by: Joshua Calvert HAC = tech 2 BS = tech 1. That explains the requirements. I am quite sure a HAC has beaten a BS in 1vs 1 on a number of occasions but it all comes down to the skill of pilots. I've beaten inty's in a frig, AF's in an inty, cruisers in an AF, cruisers in an inty, and cruisers in a frig. If you trained for a HAC thinking it was a BS beater then you just wasted some sp's. I'v beaten BS in AF B.A.D.B.O.Y.: Biomechanical Android Designed for Battle and Online Yelling "Bad Boys,Bad Boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when WE come for yoU"
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2005.02.10 23:46:00 - [62] I've beat a BS in an Ares and a Taranis. I've got the biggest you know what.
unnamed hero	Posted - 2005.02.10 23:46:00 - [63] it is so hard to kill gankgeddon :)
Meridius	Posted - 2005.02.10 23:53:00 - [64] Originally by: unnamed hero it is so hard to kill gankgeddon :) If you do go against a gank ship in a hac, whatever you do, do not turn on your mwd ________________________________________________________

Pages: 1 2 3 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.