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Kitty Cantblock Caldari Evil Monkey Asylum The Wrong Kind Of Itch	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:02:00 - [1] It's kinda simple These new bc's need to be nerfed and brought into line with the old bc's, it is rediculous that a bc can take down a full t2 fitted bs, or a hac, or a recon ship Drakes and Hurricanes in particular. They need to be nerfed
Eyup Mi'duck	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:14:00 - [2] Yes inndeed, a well fitted BC can whup a poorly fitted BS.
vulnevia The Exploited.	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:14:00 - [3] Drakes and Hurricande are new?
Tanya Tarajaka	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:17:00 - [4] Originally by: vulnevia Drakes and Hurricande are new? Think the OP is on something, or memory problems.
Kurama Bingyi Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:18:00 - [5] Anything can kill anything. It's been a "fact of life" in this game for the past eight years. It depends on how well you pilot your ship. ----- Quote: "Nay," responded Kurama Bingyi, "to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet - to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best."
Kitty Cantblock Caldari Evil Monkey Asylum The Wrong Kind Of Itch	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:41:00 - [6] Another ton of nob head posts thinking there clever So a drake, should be able to, your saying Take on a curse/harbinger/crow/blackbird and a zeolot and still walk away smiling? You think thats fair? The fact it can tank itself so stupid that it can actually fit gank mods and kill u before u break the STUPIDLY hard tank on a BATTLE CRUISER? Is that what your saying?
Hermosa Diosas The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Kurama Bingyi Anything can kill anything. It's been a "fact of life" in this game for the past eight years. It depends on how well you pilot your ship. This is very true 6 month players can kill 7 year old players - crazy but true...its not about skillpoints it really is about what ship you got and what you are up against. But yeah everyone knows drakes are so overpowered thats why they are the most popular ship, but they still die quickly if a gang hits you. More people whine CCP will eventually nerf it, like the pilgrim, like the vaga, like nano ships Then as normal it will be tossed on the useless heap never to be seen again, like so many before it... Personally i think the whole skills/competency/what you can fly should be looked at.. I think it should be tied in with your certificates...I dont think i 3 month noob should be able to fly say a T3 ship. Buts thats me..
Cunane Jeran	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:46:00 - [8] We have a breaking news story, Capsuleer "Kitty Cantblock" appears to have lost something shiney to a battlecruiser, and is extremely butthurt, expecting CCP to change the game to her own whims. No one from CCP was around to comment on this development, but if they were, we are sure they would be laughing at the newb. Back to you in the studio Ron.
Myz Toyou APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Kitty Cantblock Another ton of nob head posts thinking there clever So a drake, should be able to, your saying Take on a curse/harbinger/crow/blackbird and a zeolot and still walk away smiling? You think thats fair? The fact it can tank itself so stupid that it can actually fit gank mods and kill u before u break the STUPIDLY hard tank on a BATTLE CRUISER? Is that what your saying? No, we saying that you are one of the pilots in the gang of curse/harbinger/crow/blackbird and zeolot who lost his ship to an BC and did not manage to kill it and now come the forum and whine because your gang was incompetent.
Void Kraken	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:49:00 - [10] I just lost my armor tanked rhok to a noob in a ibis. CCP NERF NOOBSHIPS NAO !!!
Maximillian Dragonard The Social Club INFINITY.	Posted - 2011.05.01 10:52:00 - [11] nm... not even worth a reply
Sadayiel Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2011.05.01 11:16:00 - [12] i will agree with you if sumone tells me so!!
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.05.01 11:17:00 - [13] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Then as normal it will be tossed on the useless heap never to be seen again, like so many before it... You mean just like the entire Gallente race?
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.05.01 12:03:00 - [14] Edited by: Solstice Project on 01/05/2011 12:04:46 Originally by: Kurama Bingyi Anything can kill anything. It's been a "fact of life" in this game for the past eight years. It depends on how well you pilot your ship. true. Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Kurama Bingyi Anything can kill anything. It's been a "fact of life" in this game for the past eight years. It depends on how well you pilot your ship. This is very true 6 month players can kill 7 year old players - crazy but true...its not about skillpoints it really is about what ship you got and what you are up against. true. Short: Troll yourself. Try killing me with a shotgun, when i'm sitting 200m away sniping your brains on the floor. Long: We don't skill up Levels. We skill the Ability to use Game Mechanics. Being able to easily kill a lvl32 as a lvl85 doesn't automagically mean that a t2 fitted BattleShip will kill a battlecruiser, or even a frigate. Also, you're ignoring the following: .) You probably had a bad fit for the situation at hand. .) He knows how to fit and has a fit for the particular situation at hand. .) He knows your weaknesses and the damage-potential you've got. .) He knows you're a noob. People who know the game better than you ... ... simply always _will_ outsmart you. It's not about the ship, it's about the pilot. TL;DR ... for the mentally challenged -> YOU CAN'T FLY ****, STFU !!11
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.01 12:13:00 - [15] Quote: But yeah everyone knows drakes are so overpowered Drakes are not overpowered though Originally by: Kitty Cantblock Another ton of nob head posts thinking there clever So a drake, should be able to, your saying Take on a curse/harbinger/crow/blackbird and a zeolot and still walk away smiling? I think you guys need to learn how to fit a ship, since there is no way a drake can kill that.
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.05.01 12:31:00 - [16] Edited by: Solstice Project on 01/05/2011 12:32:25 Originally by: Furb Killer Quote: But yeah everyone knows drakes are so overpowered Drakes are not overpowered though Originally by: Kitty Cantblock Another ton of nob head posts thinking there clever So a drake, should be able to, your saying Take on a curse/harbinger/crow/blackbird and a zeolot and still walk away smiling? I think you guys need to learn how to fit a ship, since there is no way a drake can kill that. How'd you know ? Care to explain ?
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.01 12:48:00 - [17] well lets start that the blackbird will jam the drake the majority of the time, that isnt really a good start. Now the crow wont add that much, and the curse in a short battle only drone dps, but considering a harbinger and a drake arent that far apart for 1v1 fight + the drake is jammed the majority of the time there is no way the drake can win.
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.05.01 12:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Solstice Project Edited by: Solstice Project on 01/05/2011 12:32:25 Originally by: Furb Killer Quote: But yeah everyone knows drakes are so overpowered Drakes are not overpowered though Originally by: Kitty Cantblock Another ton of nob head posts thinking there clever So a drake, should be able to, your saying Take on a curse/harbinger/crow/blackbird and a zeolot and still walk away smiling? I think you guys need to learn how to fit a ship, since there is no way a drake can kill that. How'd you know ? Care to explain ? beacuse they are all faster than the drake, all do dps at range, have ecm support and 30 secs into the fight the drake will no longer be able to scramble anything or run hardeners/mwd thanks to neuting. Best chance the drake has is to deagress and escape or try to take the bb with him between jam cycles. Of course if the gang are idiots and the drake pilot a pro things will be different, but thats not because the drake is op. Any other bc could kill them in those circumstances. The drake is only so popular because its very hard to fly badly (no tracking, no active tank, no cap management, no range issues, massive buffer) and very easy to skill for.
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.05.01 13:17:00 - [19] If the harbinger was using (5) arties and had a cloak/drone aug fitted and no damage mods (along with dual reps and 800mm plate) and the curse had only 2 neuts so it could fit launchers and the bb had no tank whatsoever, then yeah it would go badly (couldn't find any crow/zealot losses by ops corp so don't know how they fit them). It would be especially bad if they didn't actually all fight the drake at the same time.
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.05.01 13:31:00 - [20] Edited by: Solstice Project on 01/05/2011 13:34:32 typo I believe it wasn't about a fleet anyway. I believe the list of ships was meant for solo-fights. Also ... BlackBird won't like a FoF-fitted Drake ... ... but i'm not into missiles anyway. Seriously, ppl ... it always depends on the pilot and the situations he chooses to experience ... ... or gets chosen to experience. Playing the game includes equipping for the task at hand ! Argueing about "this owns that" and "which owns what" is nonsense. Just like the Drake isn't OP, the Dramiel isn't OP and whatever else isn't OP just because ppl can't counter them. Buff the worm, btw. (lol) EvE needs brains, not statistics and the sheep reading them.
Hermann Fegelein Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.01 14:50:00 - [21] All the BCs besides the Drake are fine. They are supposed to be miniature battleships. Their niche is to hit hard and tank well but still have a decent speed. The Drake is a bit overpowered though. Almost every scenario you can name, the drake will be the best for. The drake is also too easy to train for. You can get a decent fit for a drake in 14 days. To get a decent fit for the other BCs you have to train more. But if you have to train more wouldn't the other BCs be superior? Nope! Drake has the best tank , It his cap stable and with missiles you will will hit your target no matter what. It also has the ability to hit at nearly 100km making things start to get ridiculous. ------------------------------------------------ Brigen sie mich Fegelein! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN FEGELEIN!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:10:00 - [22] Edited by: Tippia on 01/05/2011 15:11:19 Originally by: Kitty Cantblock So a drake, should be able to, your saying Take on a curse/harbinger/crow/blackbird and a zeolot and still walk away smiling? Yes. Quote: You think thats fair? Yes. Quote: The fact it can tank itself so stupid that it can actually fit gank mods and kill u before u break the STUPIDLY hard tank on a BATTLE CRUISER? The fact is also that if it has that kind of "stupidly hard tank", it is trivial to escape from, and it won't actually kill anything. Quote: it is rediculous that a bc can take down a full t2 fitted bs, or a hac, or a recon ship None of that is ridiculous unless you're working on some kind of "bigger is better" assumption (where "bigger" might be replaced by "more advanced" or "more expensive"). EVE doesn't work that way. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:32:00 - [23] Drakes need a bigger drone bay, four times the bandwith, two more mids, two more lows, more CPU, and the shield buffer could be 2-3 thousand points higher. I can't heal stupid
Tryptic Photon Gallente Mad Bads	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:33:00 - [24] It's the pilot, not the plane.
Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:41:00 - [25] Originally by: Aiwha Drakes need a bigger drone bay, four times the bandwith, two more mids, two more lows, more CPU, and the shield buffer could be 2-3 thousand points higher. Retribution needs the part in bold, plz. TY.
Barkaial Starfinder Minmatar The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:46:00 - [26] I fear Sumone.
Holy One	Posted - 2011.05.01 15:51:00 - [27] posting in a 2008 thread. BBQ makes me hungry for more...
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.05.01 16:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Kitty Cantblock Im clueless CCP but I has to say this Fixed that for you. Wherever you went - Here you are.
HeIIfire11	Posted - 2011.05.01 16:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Kitty Cantblock So a drake, should be able to, your saying Take on a curse/harbinger/crow/blackbird and a zeolot and still walk away smiling? Yes. Oh oh people watch out..the all mighty oracle is at work with a brand new line of bull ****.
Iceni	Posted - 2011.05.01 17:03:00 - [30] Yeah the OP is right in that the Drake is overdue for a hit with the nerfbat. It will come - far too many peeps flying them atm. Yeah the OP is wrong in that of course a well fitted and flown PvP fitted BC can out-gun and out-tank a (for example) PvE fitted BS. That's just how it is. Scissors, paper, stone... Learn from it and move on.
ScarredEye	Posted - 2011.05.01 17:57:00 - [31] meh, meh and more meh. You can take a drake or a cane if you got the right fit. Maybe its easier to fit a cane or a drake than other ships, but heck.
TauTut The Union Of The Snake	Posted - 2011.05.01 19:00:00 - [32] I think the OP has a valid point. A little organic rebalance is in order. Search your feelings ... you know it to be true. -TT / Peace Sells - But Who's Buying The Union of the Snake [SNAKE]
Henry Haphorn Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.01 19:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Kitty Cantblock Drakes and Hurricanes in particular. In that case, why not nerf the Rorqual for being able to take down a Megathron or even a Curse for that matter? Why not nerf the cheap T1-fitted dessies for being able to gank (in large numbers) miners during Hulkageddon? God, this is like listening to politicians debate on spending cuts.
Dark Muse	Posted - 2011.05.01 20:24:00 - [34] Originality..... 2/10 Believability..... 3/10 Writing........... 7/10 Lulz factor....... 3/10 Impact............ 5/10 Final score: 4/10 --- poor troll
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.05.01 20:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Kitty Cantblock It's kinda simple These new bc's need to be nerfed and brought into line with the old bc's, it is rediculous that a bc can take down a full t2 fitted bs, or a hac, or a recon ship Drakes and Hurricanes in particular. They need to be nerfed You think they're bad right now? Try looking back to when they were first introduced. The Myrmidon had 125 m/bit drone bandwidth. The Hurricane had 7 turret slots. The Harbinger had 8 turret slots. The Drake had even more passive shield regen that it does now (I think it's currently HALF of what it used to be). _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Havak Kouvo	Posted - 2011.05.01 20:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Originally by: Kurama Bingyi Anything can kill anything. It's been a "fact of life" in this game for the past eight years. It depends on how well you pilot your ship. This is very true 6 month players can kill 7 year old players - crazy but true...its not about skillpoints it really is about what ship you got and what you are up against. But yeah everyone knows drakes are so overpowered thats why they are the most popular ship, but they still die quickly if a gang hits you. More people whine CCP will eventually nerf it, like the pilgrim, like the vaga, like nano ships Then as normal it will be tossed on the useless heap never to be seen again, like so many before it... Personally i think the whole skills/competency/what you can fly should be looked at.. I think it should be tied in with your certificates...I dont think i 3 month noob should be able to fly say a T3 ship. Buts thats me.. I suspect what happened here is you had an poor blackbird pilot and a harbinger that wasn't tanked fitted. You guys thought you could gank it but were surprised when its large buffer/passive tank lasted long enough for it to kill either the zealot or the harbinger. With one of two DPS ships down you didn't have the DPS to kill its tank and the remaining DPS ship didn't have that much of a tank either. So it simply took the rest of you down one by one.
Khalis Sanguar	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:18:00 - [37] Edited by: Khalis Sanguar on 01/05/2011 21:18:34 Drake does way too much and does it way too well.
Berendas Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:24:00 - [38] OP presented his argument very poorly, but his basic point is on the money -- the Drake is overpowered, and has been for some time. It has absurd range and tank and is still quite fast because its tank does not slow it down, and it has enough damage that it will kill other BC's before they can come close to chewing through its massive tank. There will obviously be tons of people frothing at the mouth about how the Drake is balanced, but its the most flown combat ship for a reason. Also, inb4 'Moved to Ships & Modules.'
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Kitty Cantblock Take on a curse/harbinger/crow/blackbird and a zeolot and still walk away smiling? You lost all that? To a drake? At once?? You must be terrible.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Kurama Bingyi Anything can kill anything. Almost, but not quite. I doubt even the most crap-fit titan could be killed by the best fit n00bship in a 1-vs-1 fight with the Titan just sitting there. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:29:00 - [41] àand yet, the Drake hasn't changed in the slightest since the days when it was considered a laughably poor choice for PvP. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:31:00 - [42] Originally by: Tippia àand yet, the Drake hasn't changed in the slightest since the days when it was considered a laughably poor choice for PvP. This. I'll give this thread 4/10 for the replies. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Xtoveruss	Posted - 2011.05.01 21:33:00 - [43] I must agree that it is funny that the hurrican haz better tracking, more range and more potential than a deimos
mingmin	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:39:00 - [44] Ok lets take the 1 vs 1 argument and lets assume they are two experinced pvp players with max skills in there ships. Drake vs Harbinger dead harby Drake vs Hurricane dead cane Drake vs Myrmidon dead myrm Drake vs Curse dead curse Drake Vs Zealot dead zealot Drake vs Vagabond dead vaga Drake vs Demios dead demios Drake vs Blackbird (for lols) dead blackbird Only thing that can take a Drake 1 vs 1 is a battlship....
ChYph3r Multiplex Gaming	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Kitty Cantblock It's kinda simple These new bc's need to be nerfed and brought into line with the old bc's, it is rediculous that a bc can take down a full t2 fitted bs, or a hac, or a recon ship Drakes and Hurricanes in particular. They need to be nerfed Tears, moar tears, stfu and quit crying! -------------------------------------------------- Talking to all of you is like clapping with one hand!
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:46:00 - [46] Originally by: mingmin Drake vs Harbinger dead harby Drake vs Hurricane dead cane Drake vs Myrmidon dead myrm Drake vs Curse dead curse Drake Vs Zealot dead zealot Drake vs Vagabond dead vaga Drake vs Demios dead demios Drake vs Blackbird (for lols) dead blackbird Nah. All of those will come out as draws, most notably the Drake vs. Myrm, since the Myrm can easily tank as well (or even better) than the Drake. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
mingmin	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:47:00 - [47] Originally by: ChYph3r Originally by: Kitty Cantblock It's kinda simple These new bc's need to be nerfed and brought into line with the old bc's, it is rediculous that a bc can take down a full t2 fitted bs, or a hac, or a recon ship Drakes and Hurricanes in particular. They need to be nerfed Tears, moar tears, stfu and quit crying! ^^ how original all you need is 'can i haz your stuff' and some Gaddafi quotes, 1/10 for your pro Drake arguement.
mingmin	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Tippia ] Nah. All of those will come out as draws, most notably the Drake vs. Myrm, since the Myrm can easily tank as well (or even better) than the Drake. Draw or need to warp off? as for Myrm, will only last as long as it's cap boosters
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.01 22:53:00 - [49] Originally by: mingmin Draw or need to warp off? as for Myrm, will only last as long as it's cap boosters Myrmi passive shield tank, duh ? _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.01 23:00:00 - [50] /slaps the op /leaves Joe Phoenix Supreme commander of the Commonwealth federation
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.05.01 23:01:00 - [51] Originally by: mingmin Originally by: Tippia ] Nah. All of those will come out as draws, most notably the Drake vs. Myrm, since the Myrm can easily tank as well (or even better) than the Drake. Draw or need to warp off? as for Myrm, will only last as long as it's cap boosters Draw, as in the pathetic DPS of the Drake can't break the decent tank of the others, and the nice DPS of the others can't break the amazing tank of the Drake. Accept the Blackbird. It likely wouldn't win if the Drake was for some odd reason fitted with FOF.
mingmin	Posted - 2011.05.01 23:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: mingmin Draw or need to warp off? as for Myrm, will only last as long as it's cap boosters Myrmi passive shield tank, duh ? Such a dedicated shield ship, didn't realize you wanted to shoot ncp's as well as one of the best shield ships in game in this 1 vs 1
hydlided	Posted - 2011.05.01 23:23:00 - [53] i find this topic quite an irony to be honest. In many alliance tournements. how many times have you not heard that the panel eventually would say "Drake sucks"... seriously... think about it about that one and place that in your brain ;) (cause it has often been said don't bring a drake setup to a alliance tourney ;))
SKuzz'Kunn	Posted - 2011.05.01 23:25:00 - [54] HURR-icane DURR-ake HURR DURR!
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.05.01 23:48:00 - [55] Originally by: mingmin Ok lets take the 1 vs 1 argument and lets assume they are two experinced pvp players with max skills in there ships. Drake vs Harbinger dead harby Drake vs Hurricane dead cane Drake vs Myrmidon dead myrm Drake vs Curse dead curse Drake Vs Zealot dead zealot Drake vs Vagabond dead vaga Drake vs Demios dead demios Drake vs Blackbird (for lols) dead blackbird I'll 1v1 ya drake buddy ...oh wait Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Aglais Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.02 00:03:00 - [56] They were new a while ago. If anything, the old BCs should be made more like the new; the Ferox looks too cool to be so apparently bad. Did a hurricane kill your Cerberus or something? Because the Cerberus is unable to fit anything remotely resembling a tank if you want any DPS coming out of it.
Thomas Phillippe	Posted - 2011.05.02 00:16:00 - [57] Originally by: Kitty Cantblock It's kinda simple These new bc's need to be nerfed and brought into line with the old bc's, it is rediculous that a bc can take down a full t2 fitted bs, or a hac, or a recon ship Drakes and Hurricanes in particular. They need to be nerfed Care in posting your fits for a good laugh?
John Wesley Hardin	Posted - 2011.05.02 00:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Hermann Fegelein All the BCs besides the Drake are fine. They are supposed to be miniature battleships. Their niche is to hit hard and tank well but still have a decent speed. The Drake is a bit overpowered though. Almost every scenario you can name, the drake will be the best for. The drake is also too easy to train for. You can get a decent fit for a drake in 14 days. To get a decent fit for the other BCs you have to train more. But if you have to train more wouldn't the other BCs be superior? Nope! Drake has the best tank , It his cap stable and with missiles you will will hit your target no matter what. It also has the ability to hit at nearly 100km making things start to get ridiculous. I solo lvl4 Missions easy in a drake, kinda makes me wonder, PVP I'd rather solo a Drake than a Cane tho, nomatter what I'm flying.
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.05.02 00:47:00 - [59] Edited by: Solstice Project on 02/05/2011 00:49:42 Edited by: Solstice Project on 02/05/2011 00:48:20 Disclaimer: I seriously hate the drake and my missiles-SP are well below 400k. (typo) One can't nerf the Drake. It's the easy-mode "I AM INVINCIBLE!!!!11" testosterone-producing ship for noobs. Even if CCP nerfed it, they'd need a replacement then. It has hell of a tank, which is easy to handle. It can use only missiles, which are pretty easy to handle. It impresses even noobier noobs, "wow you can tank THAT???? O_O". Whole ship screams Testosterone. I AM GREAT !!!!111111111 It's the "GODMODE"-ship for those who need to be breastfed (ingame). They'll learn it better, but the feeling usually comes back ... You all know, what i'm talking about. Your first mining barge ... your first t2 fitting ... ... first pirate frigate ... your first battlecruiser (^^) ... ... your first t2 ship ... your first battleship ... ... etc. Some, maybe even many (no. lol), maybe even finally realized bigger ain't better. Drake is a **ing noobship, helping noobs do plenty of ** they couldn't do otherwise because they don't have a clue. One can't nerf the drake. Remove it from the game altogether ! Also ... Troll. (5/10, tbh) Should have noticed earlier.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.05.02 00:58:00 - [60] Originally by: Solstice Project ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Solstice Project	Posted - 2011.05.02 01:23:00 - [61] Originally by: Lady Spank Originally by: Solstice Project ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Thank you so much. I feel honoured. :D Really appreciated. <3
Trade Skills Creative Ventures Self Service Research	Posted - 2011.05.02 04:15:00 - [62] Edited by: Trade Skills on 02/05/2011 04:26:29 Eve is a complex game of rock, paper, scissors.....and you got rocked
Darin Ahan Parmana	Posted - 2011.05.02 04:24:00 - [63] Confirming that simply being in a tech 2 ship should mean you win any fight simply because the other party is flying a Drake or Hurricane, regardless of player skills and fitting.
Terra Waugh Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.05.02 05:10:00 - [64] sumone.
Mnengli Noiliffe	Posted - 2011.05.02 07:21:00 - [65] there is nothing special about the drake, the reason it seems OP is the passive shield tank. that should be nerfed. imho: make all modules used in passive shield tank properly stacking penalized and reduce passive shield regen rate ...
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Solar Nexus. -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.05.02 07:45:00 - [66] Don't you dare touch my hurricane. If you do I will hunt you down and kill you(In game of coarse..... and probably in a hurricane).
Demolishar	Posted - 2011.05.02 17:33:00 - [67] http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Evil+Monkey+Asylum&page=1#losses Cause and effect.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.05.02 18:47:00 - [68] I rather think the drake and cane are fine. It's just that there is too many lacklustre or downright useless ships that need a buff instead. (example: prophecy)
Sig Sour	Posted - 2011.05.02 18:53:00 - [69] I think there is an Eve card game where a no talent BS would probably beat out a BC, maybe try that game out?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.02 19:13:00 - [70] This isn't WoW, there is no level XXX, there is no sword of a thousand truths. The drake is not the most popular ship for the record. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2011.05.02 19:31:00 - [71] I have a better suggestion. Nerf idiots, it'll also fix the Drake imbalance and most other ships imbalances as well. Auditing \| Research \| 3rd Party \| Collateral Holding \| EvE RL Charity
KaemosFZ Caldari J5 Industries	Posted - 2011.05.02 19:54:00 - [72] Lmfao man. The drake isn't overpowered, you guys just suck. You guys are a massive carebear alliance that got decced and is mad cause you fought back with superior ships, and have absolutely no clue how to use them, so you died.
Alissa Solette	Posted - 2011.05.03 12:26:00 - [73] Originally by: Hermann Fegelein The Drake is a bit overpowered though. Almost every scenario you can name, the drake will be the best for. The drake is also too easy to train for. You can get a decent fit for a drake in 14 days. To get a decent fit for the other BCs you have to train more. I personally hate Drakes - if I never fly one again then it will be too soon. Still, claiming they are OP is plain silly. A standard 2x LSE 3x BCU Drake will get ****d by a Hurricane hands down (at least if the Drake is closer then 20-30km which should be the case because otherwise he or the Hurricane can simply warp off). Drakes are too slow to be able to chase anything fast, the tank is too weak to last against any "real" ship with a tank, the damage is pretty low and 99% extremely predictable damage type (kin) and a Drake will have a hard time to kill tacklers fast enough due to missiles and extreme lack of tackle (and/or bad tank if you do opt for tackle). Bottom line: it's just a crappy t1 BC with all the limitations. The only reason why it's flown so much is because 95% of all alliances opt for large numbers and not for good quality/skill. For that kind of mentality Drakes are perfect... but as soon as a decent alliance turns up your silly Drake blobs will die in a fire real quick. Basically if you think a Drake is OP then you're a scrub.
Discrodia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.03 12:41:00 - [74] By god, we should nerf them so that cost again directly correlates to power. Which, if you're completely thick, means my opinion is: 1. A T2 fitted BS whose pilot died to a BC deserved it for being an idiot. 2. A HAC that died to a BC probably wasn't well-fit or well-flown. 3. Recon ships aren't fighting ships, and shouldn't win against a BC anyway. Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!

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