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Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.04 17:25:00 - [61] Originally by: Narome Bandur ^ Too much wind to say "If you don't like it leave". It still doesn't address the OP's concerns it merely says they're not legitimate without providing the reason for why you believe the concerns are illegitimate. Actually the first post I made addressed it directly. It was a short answer but legit and concise. OP disagreed and changed the subject. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
NinjaSpud	Posted - 2011.05.04 17:38:00 - [62] Edited by: NinjaSpud on 04/05/2011 17:39:26 Originally by: Eternum Praetorian WTB PVP in 2005 If you don't know what I am talking about then you have not been there... and you fail proby nooblet. The bigger the ship the stupider the pilot. Oh, and closed for lack of content. ya know what irks me? You might have a point, and maybe even an idea on how to get it fixed... But instead, this is what I understood from your post: "I'm an old eve player, and even though I could contribute something useful, instead I'll just sit in my rocking chair on my front porch and ***** about how good life was back in my prime. Everyone sucks but me" Today's word of the day is narcissism. You old farts make me laugh, gimme another cliche, I wanna poke more fun at you!
Narome Bandur	Posted - 2011.05.04 17:51:00 - [63] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Narome Bandur ^ Too much wind to say "If you don't like it leave". It still doesn't address the OP's concerns it merely says they're not legitimate without providing the reason for why you believe the concerns are illegitimate. Actually the first post I made addressed it directly. It was a short answer but legit and concise. OP disagreed and changed the subject. That the Art of War would suggest people would PvP only in groups? Yeah, that's so, I guess. We're talking about space however, where there's shortfalls in logistics and not everyone is able to accommodate every need at once.
Ladie Scarlet GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.05.04 18:02:00 - [64] ITT: People who can't adapt to change.
ImCoolerThanYou	Posted - 2011.05.04 18:05:00 - [65] Incarna will fix it.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.04 18:07:00 - [66] Originally by: Narome Bandur Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Narome Bandur ^ Too much wind to say "If you don't like it leave". It still doesn't address the OP's concerns it merely says they're not legitimate without providing the reason for why you believe the concerns are illegitimate. Actually the first post I made addressed it directly. It was a short answer but legit and concise. OP disagreed and changed the subject. That the Art of War would suggest people would PvP only in groups? Yeah, that's so, I guess. We're talking about space however, where there's shortfalls in logistics and not everyone is able to accommodate every need at once. There was no arena in eve in '05 and there isn't now. So you have to use strategy and tactics. Which is why it applies to EvE more than most other MMO's. Most other MMo's have an "arena" of some sort where PvP is "balanced". The same number of players etc vs. players of similar level etc. Which is the real problem. If CCP made PvP "fair", all the people who have the advantage now would rage so ****ing hard it would make your head spin. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Hermann Fegelein Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.04 19:18:00 - [67] Until I can go into lowsec without being relentlessly chased It's safe to say that there is a lot of life left in PVP. ------------------------------------------------ Brigen sie mich Fegelein! FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN FEGELEIN!
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.05.04 19:47:00 - [68] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/05/2011 19:56:10 Originally by: NinjaSpud Edited by: NinjaSpud on 04/05/2011 17:39:26 Originally by: Eternum Praetorian WTB PVP in 2005 If you don't know what I am talking about then you have not been there... and you fail proby nooblet. The bigger the ship the stupider the pilot. Oh, and closed for lack of content. ya know what irks me? You might have a point, and maybe even an idea on how to get it fixed... But instead, this is what I understood from your post: "I'm an old eve player, and even though I could contribute something useful, instead I'll just sit in my rocking chair on my front porch and ***** about how good life was back in my prime. Everyone sucks but me" Today's word of the day is narcissism. You old farts make me laugh, gimme another cliche, I wanna poke more fun at you! Nothing can be typed here on this forum and be accepted well. It is another thing that has... Wait whats the word? Hmmm... Oh yes, "Evolved" These forums have "evolved into" something so much better then the old EVE forums where people were helpful and excited about the game they were playing. Yes, i am sure of it now, evolution must have been the word that I was looking for!! LMFAO
Camron Champagne Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.04 20:10:00 - [69] Nothing can be typed here on this forum and be accepted well. It is another thing that has... Wait whats the word? Hmmm... Oh yes, "Evolved" These forums have "evolved into" something so much better then the old EVE forums where people were helpful and excited about the game they were playing. Yes, i am sure of it now, evolution must have been the word that I was looking for!! LMFAO Your correct on that. You can't just type something in here and then demand that it be accepted simply because you said it. A long time in Eve does not entitle you to being above disagreement or debate. you have yet to say anything other then you liked PvP in 2005 and then called people names. So no that is rejected as it is typed here.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.05.04 20:42:00 - [70] Originally by: Camron Champagne Nothing can be typed here on this forum and be accepted well. It is another thing that has... Wait whats the word? Hmmm... Oh yes, "Evolved" These forums have "evolved into" something so much better then the old EVE forums where people were helpful and excited about the game they were playing. Yes, i am sure of it now, evolution must have been the word that I was looking for!! LMFAO Your correct on that. You can't just type something in here and then demand that it be accepted simply because you said it. A long time in Eve does not entitle you to being above disagreement or debate. you have yet to say anything other then you liked PvP in 2005 and then called people names. So no that is rejected as it is typed here. Now now... The troll fest is "evolution"

Officer Icecream Truck	Posted - 2011.05.04 21:10:00 - [71] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian WTB PVP in 2005 If you don't know what I am talking about then you have not been there... and you fail proby nooblet. The bigger the ship the stupider the pilot. Oh, and closed for lack of content. Oh look, the mighty "CAREBEARS INTO KILLERS," himself has come around once again to bemoan the fact his bc gang got skull-fukt. Cue the tiny violins, the game is over guys.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.05.04 21:22:00 - [72] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/05/2011 21:23:33 Originally by: Officer Icecream Truck Originally by: Eternum Praetorian WTB PVP in 2005 If you don't know what I am talking about then you have not been there... and you fail proby nooblet. The bigger the ship the stupider the pilot. Oh, and closed for lack of content. Oh look, the mighty "CAREBEARS INTO KILLERS," himself has come around once again to bemoan the fact his bc gang got skull-fukt. Cue the tiny violins, the game is over guys. Is that slogan really becoming that well known? LOL Or are you just an alt of someone I kicked from channel because you couldn't adhere to coms discipline if your life depended on it? And last I checked Drake armies are not so bad in the grand scheme of things. I have come to bemoan the "WOWifying" of the game we once loved because it was not WOW.
Klown Walk Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.05.05 00:05:00 - [73] I see small roaming gangs or solo pilots every day in 0.0, it¦s nowhere near dead.
P0le Dancer	Posted - 2011.05.05 00:14:00 - [74] Posting in a "You don't understand me.. You don't understand my work!" thread
Mighty Dread Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.05 00:47:00 - [75] Edited by: Mighty Dread on 05/05/2011 00:48:50 The way I see it is: With no real goals aside from obtaining stuff and earning isk to obtain more stuff, players get attached to their stuff and are reluctant to loose their stuff. Players would risk their stuff to obtain more stuff but only if the odds are steeply in their favor i.e. blob warfare, shooting noobs and other one sided combat. A few are willing to gamble even more simply because they want to PVP but eventually the need for maintaining and obtaining stuff becomes the overriding factor. The best one can hope for is to become so wealthy ingame that you can always obtain stuff no matter how fast they loose it and then engage in PVP with others of a similar disposition. Problems is, players are immortal and if two sides can perpetually replenishment themselves then there is no true wins or losses. That gets boring after awhile. Now, if the game gave meaning to combat (and peace for that matter), had goals that had nothing to do with "stuff," then players would be more willing to risk their stuff. Some might say that that is what Faction Warfare is about, but really at the end of the day, wins and losses in FW mean nothing in the grand scheme of things and so players go back to wanting to risk very little stuff to obtain more stuff mentality. The game has no positive goals, no ebb and flow, it's all pretty much a vicious circle of loosing and obtaining stuff. What I hope is that CCP takes a look outside of the box one day and says "Hey, maybe we can give players purpose beyond obtaining more and more virtual "stuff."
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.05.05 02:42:00 - [76] Mighty Dread, you said it better then I ever could have. Amen brother That hope is why I keep my account active. If not for that, I would have ditched eve long ago.
Triksterism Spacecataz.	Posted - 2011.05.05 04:22:00 - [77] Edited by: Triksterism on 05/05/2011 04:25:09 That meaning you're looking for is the rush. The rush of losing ships, of losing things you threw a lot of ISK into. Solo PvP is such a rush it's the reason I haven't quit eve since playing in 2005. People who do nothing but "hold their stuff" and blob really don't understand. If you want to do nothing but 'collect goods' and swim in them like Scrooge **ing McDuck, then go to highsec and * around there. Where is the rush in blobbing 10:1? There is none. I won't agree with PvP dying but I will agree it has gone down hill more than most of you would understand. So many carebears who think they are "super pvp #1" because they x up for blobs need to actually go spend a few months on their own or with 2-3 friends PvPing in lowsec/nullsec. And by 2-3 friends I don't mean 2-3 alts nor do I mean 2-3 characters in falcons / dual logi. Stick it out there. Be a **ing man. Comb your chest hair or breast hair (derp derp ladies. Srsly, some good PvP gals out there though). I'll stop there as I could rant about this for ages and this topic can possibly make me eMad. tl;dr --> EvE is undoubtedly geared towards fleets but outside of 0.0, used to be amazing for those seeking true excitement in this entertaining game. It's only going to get worse. Adapt or die indeed, but that doesn't change the fact that people are magical osauruses, cowards and carebears with guns + friends with a false sense of "LOL we supa pvpers" ----------WTB SIGNATURE----------*
Frater Scrapheap	Posted - 2011.05.05 04:26:00 - [78] Edited by: Frater Scrapheap on 05/05/2011 04:26:31 There is no PvP... only PvV (Player vs. Victims).
Skydell Caldari Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.05.05 04:49:00 - [79] Originally by: Mighty Dread Edited by: Mighty Dread on 05/05/2011 03:35:37 The way I see it is: With no real goals aside from obtaining stuff and earning isk to obtain more stuff, players get attached to their stuff and are reluctant to loose their stuff. Players would risk their stuff to obtain more stuff but only if the odds are steeply in their favor, i.e. blob warfare, shooting noobs and other one sided combat. A few are willing to gamble more simply because they want to PVP, but eventually the need for maintaining and obtaining stuff becomes the overriding factor. The best one can hope for is to become so wealthy ingame that you can always obtain stuff no matter how fast you loose it and then engage in PVP with others of a similar disposition. Problems is, players are immortal and if two sides can perpetually replenishment themselves then there is no true wins or losses. That gets boring after awhile. Now, if the game gave meaning to combat (and peace for that matter), had goals that had nothing to do with "stuff," then players would be more willing to risk their stuff. Some might say that that is what Faction Warfare is about, but really at the end of the day, wins and losses in FW mean nothing in the grand scheme of things and so players go back to wanting to risk very little stuff to obtain more stuff mentality. The game has no positive goals, no ebb and flow, it's all pretty much a vicious circle of loosing and obtaining stuff. What I hope is that CCP takes a look outside of the box one day and says "Hey, maybe we can give players purpose beyond obtaining more and more virtual "stuff." Agree 100% EVE is a pointless smash and grab. Combine that with the total lack of honor and total lack of reward for honor the game becomes a crab bucket spiral. The perfect tool to box in an enemy, your station. Let them dock and charge them through the nose, camp them in. No, not in "PvP" EVE. Refuse docking rights. Ever tried to undock at Jita IV 4 while war dec'ed (Its the only place you need to worry about war Dec's really) Imagine having a red fleet docked up in your station. A red fleet that paid you a small fortune to dock there. It would be an epic turkey shoot. They will know who is docked and who isnt. So? You can still eject. Do it one at a time. Farm em but no, not in EVE. The "PvP" game. Block anyone but blues. Because people don't want reds in thier space. They don't want the PvP. They get it anyway but the instinct to avoid it is still there.
NeoShocker Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.05.05 06:54:00 - [80] Pvp dying? I don't think so. ----------------------------------- Peace through power!

Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.05.05 07:02:00 - [81] PvP should remember to update its clone. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Lea Sahara	Posted - 2011.05.05 08:28:00 - [82] Originally by: NeoShocker Pvp dying? I don't think so. Did you fraps that by chance?
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.05.05 08:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian WTB PVP in 2005 If you don't know what I am talking about then you have not been there... and you fail proby nooblet. The bigger the ship the stupider the pilot. Oh, and closed for lack of content. Pears > Apples If you don't agree with me you're a noob -
Jose Black Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2011.05.05 08:46:00 - [84] Originally by: Skydell Combine that with the total lack of honor and total lack of reward for honor the game becomes a crab bucket spiral I beg to differ. It may be a lack of honor, but it's no total lack for sure. Eve is a sandbox. It doesn't matter if it evolves itself. Your goals are what should evolve. What is the purpose of life? You just live it and try to have fun in the process and/or reach some goals which are - hopefully - your own ones. Same with Eve. The fight is not about blowing ships up but to make an impact that makes you sort of immortal - or fail trying.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.05.05 11:44:00 - [85] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 05/05/2011 11:46:50 Originally by: NeoShocker Pvp dying? I don't think so. That looks a like a gate camp where you engage one small gang (who had no logistical support), and then shortly their after (or before) multiple, stupid, completely unrelated targets crossed the HED gate one at a time. It only looks like one killmail because of the way that aggression mechanics generate killmails, and yes it is a nice haul for the night. However, we will also not see any "fraps" of this epic l33t sauce PVP battle because it is not any different then the Privateers camping jita 4-4. It is nice when lone targets cross into a bubble for you and your 6,000 KM/sec instalockers can tag them one by one isn't it? That's right. I said it. It may impress noobs like Lea Sahara with a shadow for a picture but you can't pass off crap like that to the rest of us who have been around the block a few times. So meh...
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.05.05 12:11:00 - [86] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 05/05/2011 12:16:00 Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Eternum Praetorian WTB PVP in 2005 If you don't know what I am talking about then you have not been there... and you fail proby nooblet. The bigger the ship the stupider the pilot. Oh, and closed for lack of content. Pears > Apples If you don't agree with me you're a noob And I counter your quote with a requote of my own Originally by: Constantinus Maximus I got a subscription to E-ON last year. Was just pure comedy. Battle Reports: Month after month of "so-and-so was winning, node crashed, other side holds the field" Dev Interviews: "Nah I mainly play WoW, getting the job here was the first I heard of Eve" Was funny seeing it on glossy pages. The current state of EVE in a nutshell. Edit: Do you know why the PVP tournaments have rules THAT ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE NORMAL GAMEPLAY? It is because it would be ****ing boring. Think about it? Why do they have to change the rules of the game to make it a worth while tournament of Fleets where you can bring any combination of ships that you want to bring? Homer says food for thought
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.05.05 12:32:00 - [87] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 05/05/2011 12:21:58 Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Eternum Praetorian WTB PVP in 2005 If you don't know what I am talking about then you have not been there... and you fail proby nooblet. The bigger the ship the stupider the pilot. Oh, and closed for lack of content. Pears > Apples If you don't agree with me you're a noob And I counter your quote with a requote of my own Originally by: Constantinus Maximus I got a subscription to E-ON last year. Was just pure comedy. Battle Reports: Month after month of "so-and-so was winning, node crashed, other side holds the field" Dev Interviews: "Nah I mainly play WoW, getting the job here was the first I heard of Eve" Was funny seeing it on glossy pages. The current state of EVE in a nutshell. Edit: Do you know why the PVP tournaments have rules THAT ARE So DIFFERENT FROM THE NORMAL GAMEPLAY? It is because it would be ****ing nonfunctional and boring if they didn't. Think about it? Why do they have to change the rules of the game to make it a worth while tournament of Fleets where you can bring any combination of ships that you want to bring? Homer says food for thought You're trying to hard. -
Tarasina	Posted - 2011.05.05 12:33:00 - [88] Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 12:34:59 Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 12:34:17 Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 12:33:45 Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Do you know why the PVP tournaments have rules THAT ARE So DIFFERENT FROM THE NORMAL GAMEPLAY? It is because it would be ****ing nonfunctional and boring if they didn't. Think about it? Why do they have to change the rules of the game to make it a worth while tournament of Fleets where you can bring any combination of ships that you want to bring? Homer says food for thought And it is BS and smaller ships only. If you risk losing something noteworthy, you will bring everything you can and everything you can has become supercaps and titans. When I started Eve I had a small notion of me ending up in nullsec, being in fleetbattles. But when it is 700 vs 700 alpha fleets, I matter as much as a grain of sand in a desert. Doesn't matter if I am there or not, so I chose to not be there. Edit: spelling
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.05.05 12:36:00 - [89] Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 12:34:59 Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 12:34:17 Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 12:33:45 Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Do you know why the PVP tournaments have rules THAT ARE So DIFFERENT FROM THE NORMAL GAMEPLAY? It is because it would be ****ing nonfunctional and boring if they didn't. Think about it? Why do they have to change the rules of the game to make it a worth while tournament of Fleets where you can bring any combination of ships that you want to bring? Homer says food for thought And it is BS and smaller ships only. If you risk losing something noteworthy, you will bring everything you can and everything you can has become supercaps and titans. When I started Eve I had a small notion of me ending up in nullsec, being in fleetbattles. But when it is 700 vs 700 alpha fleets, I matter as much as a grain of sand in a desert. Doesn't matter if I am there or not, so I chose to not be there. Edit: spelling You're also trying too hard. His alt? -
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor	Posted - 2011.05.05 12:40:00 - [90] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 05/05/2011 12:40:03 Originally by: Misanth Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 12:34:59 Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 12:34:17 Edited by: Tarasina on 05/05/2011 12:33:45 Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Do you know why the PVP tournaments have rules THAT ARE So DIFFERENT FROM THE NORMAL GAMEPLAY? It is because it would be ****ing nonfunctional and boring if they didn't. Think about it? Why do they have to change the rules of the game to make it a worth while tournament of Fleets where you can bring any combination of ships that you want to bring? Homer says food for thought And it is BS and smaller ships only. If you risk losing something noteworthy, you will bring everything you can and everything you can has become supercaps and titans. When I started Eve I had a small notion of me ending up in nullsec, being in fleetbattles. But when it is 700 vs 700 alpha fleets, I matter as much as a grain of sand in a desert. Doesn't matter if I am there or not, so I chose to not be there. Edit: spelling You're also trying too hard. His alt? You are also trying to hard Misanth. Got anything better to say?



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