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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.09.05 12:26:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Cedo Nulli wrote:Is it just me or .... is this thread only about OP loving the spotlight with absolutely no substance to his "idea" ? -į-įGū¦ Gū¦-įGū¦
That was my first thought to. |

shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2012.09.05 13:04:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:Cedo Nulli wrote:Is it just me or .... is this thread only about OP loving the spotlight with absolutely no substance to his "idea" ? -į-įGū¦ Gū¦-įGū¦ That was my first thought to.
Zelda?? |

Airto TLA
Puppeteers of Doom Real Life Rejects
24
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Posted - 2012.09.05 17:57:00 -
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The reason you can not hold the price above 520 is because around 510 CCP starts a sale on plex and the supply blossoms. So everyone is just waiting for you to get it close to that number and close their postions for a profit.
Unless, CCP changes that position you will lose, this is a alot like the NPC items that could be refined as soon as a target price is hit a outside force jumps in and screws with supply.
Additionally every 10 million in price you will have an ever increasing number of people who will look at their real life money and say do I want to run missions/incursions/anomolies or do I want to blow stuff up, the higher the price the more likely the pew pew wins. These people will sell not hold on to the Plex for a better price.
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Javajunky
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:23:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:GUYS! No matter what you do .. DO NOT sell PLEX for less than 540 mil Be patient.... sit tight on your PLEXes . If we all set the prices at 540 and above , the prices are gonna soar , and its INSTA profit for all of us.
ISKs to some are far too easy to earn... so they WILL whine , THEY WILL complain , but as long as you are selling PLEX , and they aren't willing to pay REAL $$$$ for it . We'll still make a profit tin the LONG run!
LETS SEE TO IT we PUSH plexes to 700 mil!!
WE CAN DO IT GUYS! YES WE CAN!!
I look forward to watching you get your **** hammered. CCP will start selling them and stick it to you hardcore. Remember it's a Europoean company - they are really socialists at heart and as they said during the last fan fest they are prepared to act if forces start breaking the game. Like tanking out mining ships for those poor empire pubbies, this too they would fix. |

Martin0
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:45:00 -
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I want plexes for 300 mill. Cheaper plexes are good, for CCP and for me :D |

EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:19:00 -
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by RANDOMLY CAPitalizing thingS I MAke it seem lIKE MY IDEAS are not utter nonsense |

EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:19:00 -
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whERE Did all my MONEy go and why ARE PLex back where theY STARTED |

enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2012.09.06 05:12:00 -
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PLEX What r u doin PLEX STAHP The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one.
-«enterprise-psi |

Ukonius
Social Destortion
6
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Posted - 2012.09.06 07:23:00 -
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This will not happen. Not saying it is a bad idea but you are dealing with humans, working together isnt our strong suit. Some build even more destroy. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4527
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Posted - 2012.09.06 10:37:00 -
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Javajunky wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:GUYS! No matter what you do .. DO NOT sell PLEX for less than 540 mil Be patient.... sit tight on your PLEXes . If we all set the prices at 540 and above , the prices are gonna soar , and its INSTA profit for all of us.
ISKs to some are far too easy to earn... so they WILL whine , THEY WILL complain , but as long as you are selling PLEX , and they aren't willing to pay REAL $$$$ for it . We'll still make a profit tin the LONG run!
LETS SEE TO IT we PUSH plexes to 700 mil!!
WE CAN DO IT GUYS! YES WE CAN!! I look forward to watching you get your **** hammered. CCP will start selling them and stick it to you hardcore. Remember it's a Europoean company - they are really socialists at heart and as they said during the last fan fest they are prepared to act if forces start breaking the game. Like tanking out mining ships for those poor empire pubbies, this too they would fix.
Iceland isn't in Europe. That said, you are correct: they use ISK and PLEX confiscated from botters and RMTers to regulate the PLEX market. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-įhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:50:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Kara Books wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:Cedo Nulli wrote:Is it just me or .... is this thread only about OP loving the spotlight with absolutely no substance to his "idea" ? -į-įGū¦ Gū¦-įGū¦ That was my first thought to. Zelda??
3 Pyramids. |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
129
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Posted - 2012.09.06 13:38:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Kara Books wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:Cedo Nulli wrote:Is it just me or .... is this thread only about OP loving the spotlight with absolutely no substance to his "idea" ? -į-įGū¦ Gū¦-įGū¦ That was my first thought to. Zelda?? 3 Pyramids.
also known as the fibonacci series Life is complicated. When the war came I did bad things; after the war I thought nothing of doing bad things. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Maybe here things will be different.. |

Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
357
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:24:00 -
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At 700 plex i can sub my 6 accounts for next 38 years, sorry you are too late... CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS
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enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2012.09.06 15:20:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:Cedo Nulli wrote:Is it just me or .... is this thread only about OP loving the spotlight with absolutely no substance to his "idea" ? -į-įGū¦ Gū¦-įGū¦
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one.
-«enterprise-psi |

Aina Sasaki
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.08 02:38:00 -
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I disapprove of this message. Keep plexes cheap. :( - Rei |

Johnny Frecko
Fruidian Logic The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2012.09.08 07:59:00 -
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what about the increased mineral cost? You guys are forgetting that plexes fund the miners. You mine enough for a plex or you don't keep the mining alt. Same with many other passive forms of income. The prices are actually set by the plex, and not vice verca.
Miners drop, Mineral prices go up - For those that stay the real value of plex in playing hours remains the same. So in short 1)you're selling less plex 2)you're raising costs on everything else 3)??? 4)anti-profit
so yea. good job. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
342
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:05:00 -
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Looks like PLEXes are still on the increase. Is the averageprice in Jita 520 million yet? =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |

Punctator
Shadow-Kill
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Posted - 2012.09.10 10:08:00 -
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do you think supply is less then demand in plex system? i think current high plex value is an efect of manipulation notheing more, look how many unused plex are on market and try to buy all.Very quick ther will be more and more new plexys... so supply is greater then demand, much greater & if so, market dont work the way as it should. |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
136
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Posted - 2012.09.10 11:44:00 -
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Punctator wrote:do you think supply is less then demand in plex system? i think current high plex value is an efect of manipulation notheing more, look how many unused plex are on market and try to buy all.Very quick ther will be more and more new plexys... so supply is greater then demand, much greater & if so, market dont work the way as it should.
Thats what capitalism is all about. Supply and demand is just a lie.
The true way to make money is with market manipulation, collusions and cartels. Anything else is inefficient and for the self proclaimed justice warriors. Life is complicated. When the war came I did bad things; after the war I thought nothing of doing bad things. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Maybe here things will be different.. |

Lialem
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Posted - 2012.09.10 14:10:00 -
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So lets say PLEX is changed and is no longer giving 30 days. Instead it gives 0 days. Demand drops to 0. I really wanna see how you will manipulate its price when noone wants it. Without people buying (demanding) what you try to market manipulate, your market manipulation doesnt even exist. You dont even know why PLEX prices rise atm. |
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Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.09.10 14:32:00 -
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Lialem wrote:PLEX prices just rise cause of DUST514.
Subliminal message's any one?
I have to agree, Keep plex prices down, the only people they benefit are the 10-20 richest people in the game, every one else, even if their worth is between 1-1000B isk is on the losing end. |

Aaewen Hrothgarson
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
16
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Posted - 2012.09.10 17:10:00 -
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Javajunky wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:GUYS! ... I look forward to watching you get your **** hammered. CCP will start selling them and stick it to you hardcore. Remember it's a Europoean company - they are really socialists at heart and as they said during the last fan fest they are prepared to act if forces start breaking the game. Like tanking out mining ships for those poor empire pubbies, this too they would fix.
CCP sells PLEX all the time, as someone wants it, he gets it (IF he pays REAL money for it).
Once in the game, market mechanics play ...
CCP's CEO, like most of CEO's nowadays ... well, thirty years ago there were some CEOs that claimed believably to be socialists. But now there isn't one left in politics even.
Anyway, socialist or not, don't count on his good will to subsidize cheap joe's (if you have no subscription you aren't a customer to CCP, you are merely someone who helps them create demand for PLEX), he's already busy to feed shareholders. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
694
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Posted - 2012.09.10 20:53:00 -
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Before the OP gets any delusions of grandeur regarding the current rise in prices for PLEX, I'd like to pop in and shoot him down.
Plexes are rising in price because FW is a laughably enormous "faucet"* that is easily accessible. On top of that, CCP is running a month long Power of 2 promotion. Demand is increased, ability to purchase is increased, prices rise.
*No, not an actual faucet, that's why it's in quotes you pedantic numbskull. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |

Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
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Posted - 2012.09.11 04:59:00 -
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The 3 factors of PLEX:
New players. Many new players buy plex when they start for some starter isk. If lots of new players are joining at a given time this can push the prices of plex down.
Ore. Many vetran players don't care about the plex to isk ratio. They care about the PLEX to mineral ratio. It's the buying power of the PLEX that is important not the isk value of the PLEX. If prices are way down and PLEX is down only a little it might be a great time to get some PLEX turned into isk. When minerals go up and down PLEX follows.
Speculation. This is the smallest factor of the 3 and the least sustainible. It's biggest infulance is around patches just like everything else. Dust will probly cause some of this one way or the other.
If you think you can hold PLEX prices at a certain point you should think again. |

Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
28
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Posted - 2012.09.11 07:44:00 -
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I just checked the plex market and all i can say, oh boy. At the time i'm posting Jita ~200 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 512m sell: 524m
Rens ~20 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 509m sell: 518m
Amarr ~40 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 509m sell: 523m
Dodixie ~30 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 509m sell: 519m
You all know the Plex volume in Jita is roughly 2.2k per day and all other hubs combined another 1.2k. You can draw your own conclusion but Plex will be soon 1b. |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
344
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:20:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:The 3 factors of PLEX:
New players. Many new players buy plex when they start for some starter isk. If lots of new players are joining at a given time this can push the prices of plex down.
Ore. Many vetran players don't care about the plex to isk ratio. They care about the PLEX to mineral ratio. It's the buying power of the PLEX that is important not the isk value of the PLEX. If prices are way down and PLEX is down only a little it might be a great time to get some PLEX turned into isk. When minerals go up and down PLEX follows.
Speculation. This is the smallest factor of the 3 and the least sustainible. It's biggest infulance is around patches just like everything else. Dust will probly cause some of this one way or the other.
If you think you can hold PLEX prices at a certain point you should think again.
Honestly I think speculation is the largest factor from what I've heard of the pool of unused PLEX -į"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people-įvery angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
344
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:38:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Before the OP gets any delusions of grandeur regarding the current rise in prices for PLEX, I'd like to pop in and shoot him down.
Plexes are rising in price because FW is a laughably enormous "faucet"* that is easily accessible.
*No, not an actual faucet, that's why it's in quotes you pedantic numbskull.
What's interesting is that it isn't an ISK Faucet like every NULL SEccer's whined about with incursions but its on the verge of causeing arise in PLEX that is about to break the last year's high PLEX prices unless DrE starts releasing the confiscated bot supplies of PLEX.
I'm curious what the bounties have increased to monthlysince the drones started paying ISK & if WH blue loots have increseased at all since the flight from Incursionsbut CCP Diagoras is no longer tweeting stats &we've in a blackout period of any economic data from CCP since Escaltation pretty much. -į"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people-įvery angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:52:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:I just checked the plex market and all i can say, oh boy. At the time i'm posting Jita ~200 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 512m sell: 524m
Rens ~20 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 509m sell: 518m
Amarr ~40 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 509m sell: 523m
Dodixie ~30 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 509m sell: 519m
You all know the Plex volume in Jita is roughly 2.2k per day and all other hubs combined another 1.2k. You can draw your own conclusion but Plex will be soon 1b.
I bet its going to hit 575 and then come crashing down to 510, basicly the market is gaining 5M isk each rally.
at 560 id test and see if I can crash it SLOWLY (painfully) at 600 id brind it below 490 buy orders and 500 sell orders (must be repeated several times to take out most of the small guys)
The amount of posts and please asking for public support are a Massive sign of weakness, Don't put all your eggs into one basket, Play both sides and make sure your on the winning end,there is a chance, this might work, even thought most of us hope it doesn't. |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
695
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Posted - 2012.09.12 02:42:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote: You all know the Plex volume in Jita is roughly 2.2k per day and all other hubs combined another 1.2k. You can draw your own conclusion but Plex will be soon 1b.
Yes, and back around 2007 people were predicting the stock market would hit 30k in 2008, too.
DarthNefarius wrote:What's interesting is that it isn't an ISK Faucet like every NULL SEccer's whined about with incursions but its on the verge of causeing arise in PLEX that is about to break the last year's high PLEX prices unless DrE starts releasing the confiscated bot supplies of PLEX.
I'm curious what the bounties have increased to monthlysince the drones started paying ISK & if WH blue loots have increseased at all since the flight from Incursionsbut CCP Diagoras is no longer tweeting stats &we've in a blackout period of any economic data from CCP since Escaltation pretty much. Diagoras left CCP. And believe me, I think the fact that you can make this kind of isk basically risk-free is dumb...hell, ANYWHERE, just like I thought incursions were dumb in highsec. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
139
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Posted - 2012.09.12 04:21:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:Jori McKie wrote:I just checked the plex market and all i can say, oh boy. At the time i'm posting Jita ~200 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 512m sell: 524m
Rens ~20 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 509m sell: 518m
Amarr ~40 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 509m sell: 523m
Dodixie ~30 Plex for sell alltogether at any price buy: 509m sell: 519m
You all know the Plex volume in Jita is roughly 2.2k per day and all other hubs combined another 1.2k. You can draw your own conclusion but Plex will be soon 1b. I bet its going to hit 575 and then come crashing down to 510, basicly the market is gaining 5M isk each rally. at 560 id test and see if I can crash it SLOWLY (painfully) at 600 id brind it below 490 buy orders and 500 sell orders (must be repeated several times to take out most of the small guys) The amount of posts and please asking for public support are a Massive sign of weakness, Don't put all your eggs into one basket, Play both sides and make sure your on the winning end,there is a chance, this might work, even thought most of us hope it doesn't.
Oh? Are you Stanley Fischer? Life is complicated. When the war came I did bad things; after the war I thought nothing of doing bad things. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Maybe here things will be different.. |
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