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Jori McKie
Friends Of Harassment
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Posted - 2012.09.12 06:43:00 -
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Nope, i'm just a trader. The point is the available Plex on the market and i have never saw only 200 Plex in Jita for sale in the last 3years not to mention that the other hubs dry out too. My best argument is the available cash in Eve, it's still to easy to get rich and lots of +1 year older player have no problem to pay 500m per Plex. Other reason could be the big unsubbing Summer 2011 and many not resubbing via CC, more miners dual/triple boxing than ever and botting is still going on heavily including miner and mission bots.
I don't know the exact reason but i can see that the Plex supply is very low and it's only early September. |

Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:01:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:Nope, i'm just a trader. The point is the available Plex on the market and i have never saw only 200 Plex in Jita for sale in the last 3years not to mention that the other hubs dry out too. My best argument is the available cash in Eve, it's still to easy to get rich and lots of +1 year older player have no problem to pay 500m per Plex. Other reason could be the big unsubbing Summer 2011 and many not resubbing via CC, more miners dual/triple boxing than ever and botting is still going on heavily including miner and mission bots.
I don't know the exact reason but i can see that the Plex supply is very low and it's only early September.
We're missing one crucial piece of data from CCP: how much unredeemed PLEX is in the game right now. If there's a ton of PLEX in-game but a dearth on the market, that indicates hoarding and possible speculator manipulation. If the amount of PLEX in the game has simply fallen below demand, that bespeaks a more serious and hard-to-fix issue.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
346
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:56:00 -
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corestwo wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:What's interesting is that it isn't an ISK Faucet like every NULL SEccer's whined about with incursions but its on the verge of causeing arise in PLEX that is about to break the last year's high PLEX prices unless DrE starts releasing the confiscated bot supplies of PLEX.
I'm curious what the bounties have increased to monthlysince the drones started paying ISK & if WH blue loots have increseased at all since the flight from Incursionsbut CCP Diagoras is no longer tweeting stats &we've in a blackout period of any economic data from CCP since Escaltation pretty much. Diagoras left CCP. And believe me, I think the fact that you can make this kind of isk basically risk-free is dumb...hell, ANYWHERE, just like I thought incursions were dumb in highsec.
lol: here's the implant market http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6657/minpigfarm.gif CCP's keeping stats close to thier vests right now I guess so as not to releave any mistakes they've made, I wonder how much more of the Economy is going to go up in an Inferno. I bet the ISK sink funcion of the implants from LP stores will be reduced for a year plus. Imagine if the goons had released all the implants from thier expoight all at once too lol -á"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people-ávery angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |

ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
128
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Posted - 2012.09.12 17:06:00 -
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PLEX has reached stupid prices @560M + up 40M since yesterday so what is going on here? |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
206
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Posted - 2012.09.13 04:45:00 -
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raising plex means losing players, and profiting th few rich.
there is no balance. I say Raise plex to stupid prices then perma ban the hell out of the rich, fix the game economy while your at it, problem solved.
Cure of of these 2 Cancers, Please. |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
141
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Posted - 2012.09.21 13:21:00 -
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Kara Books wrote:raising plex means losing players, and profiting th few rich.
there is no balance. I say Raise plex to stupid prices then perma ban the hell out of the rich, fix the game economy while your at it, problem solved.
Cure of of these 2 Cancers, Please.
HA! Profiting the rich? You mean profiting the able and the mega corporations. PLEX prices have been soaring , and WILL keep on soaring. As long as no one comes along and be a selfish arse , and crash the market, like the IMF . Its only going to go UP UP and AWAYYYYY!!! Life is complicated. When the war came I did bad things; after the war I thought nothing of doing bad things. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Maybe here things will be different.. |

Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
203
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:48:00 -
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Yes, follow the OP's advice and see how many accounts end up unsubdued. It's bad for CCP when PLEX goes too high. There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |

Drago Wolfbane Skorvalk
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
9
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:31:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Kara Books wrote:raising plex means losing players, and profiting th few rich.
there is no balance. I say Raise plex to stupid prices then perma ban the hell out of the rich, fix the game economy while your at it, problem solved.
Cure of of these 2 Cancers, Please. HA! Profiting the rich? You mean profiting the able and the mega corporations. PLEX prices have been soaring , and WILL keep on soaring. As long as no one comes along and be a selfish arse , and crash the market, like the IMF . Its only going to go UP UP and AWAYYYYY!!!
I do see the humor in you calling a potential market crash by someone selling as being selfish, when your whole post is all about driving up the cost to inflated levels through manipulation for your own profit.
I appreciate the smile!  |

Marcus McTavish
EnC Heavy Industries Rolling Thunder.
44
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Posted - 2012.09.22 06:20:00 -
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Okay, I've read just about enough of this moronic talk.
1) Stop drinking so much coffee, or whatever is making you use caps and yell. 2) Markets are driven primarily by Supply and Demand 3) Most Changes in the PLEX prices are due to Expansions and Patches, etc 4) You are but an insignificant drop in the water of the PLEX Market. 5) A cartel that held a theoretical super-majority could drive the price up. But this is assuming no one would cash out, and that no one else would step in and profit. 6) IF you somehow were able to move the market up, since there is no driving supply or demand, it would simply fall back down, like the ocean waves eroding your sandcastle. 7) You make all these hurf-blurf posts about how you are going to be so rich and profit of plex sales. Let me tell you something, the people that actually have influence in the market dont rant like you do. Because they understand how things work. 8) Go ahead with your plan, see it fail, not even, it wont leave the ground. 9) Learn basic market mechanics, then make a "good post"
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Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
142
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Posted - 2012.09.22 12:20:00 -
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Marcus McTavish wrote:Okay, I've read just about enough of this moronic talk.
1) Stop drinking so much coffee, or whatever is making you use caps and yell. 2) Markets are driven primarily by Supply and Demand 3) Most Changes in the PLEX prices are due to Expansions and Patches, etc 4) You are but an insignificant drop in the water of the PLEX Market. 5) A cartel that held a theoretical super-majority could drive the price up. But this is assuming no one would cash out, and that no one else would step in and profit. 6) IF you somehow were able to move the market up, since there is no driving supply or demand, it would simply fall back down, like the ocean waves eroding your sandcastle. 7) You make all these hurf-blurf posts about how you are going to be so rich and profit of plex sales. Let me tell you something, the people that actually have influence in the market dont rant like you do. Because they understand how things work. 8) Go ahead with your plan, see it fail, not even, it wont leave the ground. 9) Learn basic market mechanics, then make a "good post"
2)Market are driven my market and demand in a ceteris paribus condition , but under collusion and cartel, it can be manipulated. 3)In contrary to conventional wisdom of which when the PLEX prices drop due to sale, its price has reached a new height of 550mil holding. 4)Of course I am, thats why I am calling for cooperation among PLEX sellers . 5/6)(Refer to 4) and There will always be driving demand. EVE Online never let you go, you'll just find new way to earn more money, and drive up the mineral prices,etc. The one who are prepared will profit, those who aren't will perish. 7) Apparently you are the sort that believe in fair trade. 8)Don't need to , the market is already going where I wanted. 9) Differentiate practicality and reality from academic curiosity.
Life is complicated. When the war came I did bad things; after the war I thought nothing of doing bad things. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Maybe here things will be different.. |

Aaewen Hrothgarson
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
21
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Posted - 2012.09.24 09:03:00 -
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Jori McKie wrote:Nope, i'm just a trader. The point is the available Plex on the market and i have never saw only 200 Plex in Jita for sale in the last 3years not to mention that the other hubs dry out too. My best argument is the available cash in Eve, it's still to easy to get rich and lots of +1 year older player have no problem to pay 500m per Plex. Other reason could be the big unsubbing Summer 2011 and many not resubbing via CC, more miners dual/triple boxing than ever and botting is still going on heavily including miner and mission bots.
I don't know the exact reason but i can see that the Plex supply is very low and it's only early September.
You complain about supply is low.
So there are only two possibilities. a) someone is hoarding. b) Less people are willing to buy GTC from CCP with RL money and convert them to PLEX.
A) Would need and unbelievable amount of ISK in a few hands.
B) is completely irrelevant of how easy it is to get isk. Trillions of them wont buy you a PLEX if no one spent the 20 (or whatever) Euro to feed it to the market first. If CCP would feed the confiscated PLEX, even less would buy GTC ... |

Marcus McTavish
EnC Heavy Industries Rolling Thunder.
45
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Posted - 2012.10.04 20:14:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Marcus McTavish wrote:Okay, I've read just about enough of this moronic talk.
1) Stop drinking so much coffee, or whatever is making you use caps and yell. 2) Markets are driven primarily by Supply and Demand 3) Most Changes in the PLEX prices are due to Expansions and Patches, etc 4) You are but an insignificant drop in the water of the PLEX Market. 5) A cartel that held a theoretical super-majority could drive the price up. But this is assuming no one would cash out, and that no one else would step in and profit. 6) IF you somehow were able to move the market up, since there is no driving supply or demand, it would simply fall back down, like the ocean waves eroding your sandcastle. 7) You make all these hurf-blurf posts about how you are going to be so rich and profit of plex sales. Let me tell you something, the people that actually have influence in the market dont rant like you do. Because they understand how things work. 8) Go ahead with your plan, see it fail, not even, it wont leave the ground. 9) Learn basic market mechanics, then make a "good post"
2)Market are driven my market and demand in a ceteris paribus condition , but under collusion and cartel, it can be manipulated. 3)In contrary to conventional wisdom of which when the PLEX prices drop due to sale, its price has reached a new height of 550mil holding. 4)Of course I am, thats why I am calling for cooperation among PLEX sellers . 5/6)(Refer to 4) and There will always be driving demand. EVE Online never let you go, you'll just find new way to earn more money, and drive up the mineral prices,etc. The one who are prepared will profit, those who aren't will perish. 7) Apparently you are the sort that believe in fair trade. 8)Don't need to , the market is already going where I wanted. 9) Differentiate practicality and reality from academic curiosity.
2) Collusion does not work in a game like this where there are many suppliers with different interests at hand. 3) Price go up because retired players decide to come back and new players start. Thus more plex bought, higher price. 4) See 2, it wont work 5/6)You are incredibly naive. Market prices tend to go to a dynamic equilibrium. You can artificially lower prices on your own or in a small group, but it will go down, either from new people entering, or people dumping stock. 7) I dont think you understand what i said, or Fair Trade. The silent minority's hand is at play, not yours. 8) I can say that it will rain, then when it does because of weather, i can claim i am a god. Its not your words or effort. You are a drop in the pond of the earth. 9) Differentiate realism and logic from bullshit. |

Acid Kanshi
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.10.05 05:28:00 -
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PLEX goes up, PLEX goes down, you can't explain that. EVE-Cost is a manufacturing tool for EVE players. http://www.eve-cost.eu |

Erid Tangor
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.05 06:16:00 -
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Acid Kanshi wrote:PLEX goes up, PLEX goes down, you can't explain that.
Aliens.
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Marcus Harikari
Guitar Players of EVE
96
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Posted - 2012.10.05 11:55:00 -
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Less people buying PLEX with cash means rising PLEX prices isk-wise. You guys are not understanding how it works. |

Silk daShocka
Lawn Dart Industries
30
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Posted - 2012.10.05 13:18:00 -
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Make sure to sell dem plexes befor the FW gets fixed!
Also, make sure to sell them now, before people stop buying them to put bids in for the upcoming tourny! |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
224
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:02:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:Make sure to sell dem plexes befor the FW gets fixed!
Also, make sure to sell them now, before people stop buying them to put bids in for the upcoming tourny!
Now would did I tell you. I forsee a future where PLEX will rise continuously and plateau. And now it has reached 600 MIL Much higer than I would ever had imagined. but its time to STOP . STOP NOW, before CCP initiate their god hands. The market cannot take any higher than this. HOLD AT 600 mil. Sell at 600mil. BUT NO LESS! It is not these well-fed long-haired men that I fear, but the pale and the hungry-looking.
Julius Caesar |

Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:25:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Make sure to sell dem plexes befor the FW gets fixed!
Also, make sure to sell them now, before people stop buying them to put bids in for the upcoming tourny! Now would did I tell you. I forsee a future where PLEX will rise continuously and plateau. And now it has reached 600 MIL Much higer than I would ever had imagined. but its time to STOP . STOP NOW, before CCP initiate their god hands. The market cannot take any higher than this. HOLD AT 600 mil. Sell at 600mil. BUT NO LESS!
Didn't you say 700? Why selling yourself short?
Push to 1B! |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
224
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:47:00 -
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Mokanor Lenak wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Make sure to sell dem plexes befor the FW gets fixed!
Also, make sure to sell them now, before people stop buying them to put bids in for the upcoming tourny! Now would did I tell you. I forsee a future where PLEX will rise continuously and plateau. And now it has reached 600 MIL Much higer than I would ever had imagined. but its time to STOP . STOP NOW, before CCP initiate their god hands. The market cannot take any higher than this. HOLD AT 600 mil. Sell at 600mil. BUT NO LESS! Didn't you say 700? Why selling yourself short? Push to 1B!
because if that happens CCP is gonna crash the market by setting the PLEX prices to unreasonably low prices It is not these well-fed long-haired men that I fear, but the pale and the hungry-looking.
Julius Caesar |

Demolishar
United Aggression
369
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Posted - 2012.10.09 17:24:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:
because if that happens CCP is gonna crash the market by setting the PLEX prices to unreasonably low prices
Someone cashed out their stock and wants to buy back in    |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
218
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Posted - 2012.10.09 18:33:00 -
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Dont forget about those AFK old time players who want to buy huge lots then sell 6 months later.
Time it so when they hike their prices as high as posible before buying plex to squeez every single .10 ISK out of them and dont sell any while its stable =) You pay with real money you should be making the ISK |

Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.10.09 23:51:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote: EDIT: Now what did I tell you. I forsee a future where PLEX will rise continuously and plateau. And now it has reached 600 MIL Much higer than I would ever had imagined. but its time to STOP . STOP NOW, before CCP initiate their god hands. The market cannot take any higher than this. HOLD AT 600 mil. Sell at 600mil. BUT NO LESS!
I would like to see it at 1 Billion ISK! EVERYONE STOP HOLDING, KEEP ON PUSHING THE PRICE! |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
736
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Posted - 2012.10.10 00:53:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Make sure to sell dem plexes befor the FW gets fixed!
Also, make sure to sell them now, before people stop buying them to put bids in for the upcoming tourny! Now would did I tell you. I forsee a future where PLEX will rise continuously and plateau. And now it has reached 600 MIL Much higer than I would ever had imagined. but its time to STOP . STOP NOW, before CCP initiate their god hands. The market cannot take any higher than this. HOLD AT 600 mil. Sell at 600mil. BUT NO LESS!
You still think you're the one causing this.
How precious. This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |

Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
224
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Posted - 2012.10.10 02:19:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Make sure to sell dem plexes befor the FW gets fixed!
Also, make sure to sell them now, before people stop buying them to put bids in for the upcoming tourny! Now would did I tell you. I forsee a future where PLEX will rise continuously and plateau. And now it has reached 600 MIL Much higer than I would ever had imagined. but its time to STOP . STOP NOW, before CCP initiate their god hands. The market cannot take any higher than this. HOLD AT 600 mil. Sell at 600mil. BUT NO LESS! You still think you're the one causing this. How precious.
Better than thinking
"ohhh I'm a useless fkuck who can't do sheit and only whines on the forum ." I'll say. It is forbidden to kill. Therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire-á |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
218
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Posted - 2012.10.10 03:13:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote: EDIT: Now what did I tell you. I forsee a future where PLEX will rise continuously and plateau. And now it has reached 600 MIL Much higer than I would ever had imagined. but its time to STOP . STOP NOW, before CCP initiate their god hands. The market cannot take any higher than this. HOLD AT 600 mil. Sell at 600mil. BUT NO LESS!
I would like to see it at 1 Billion ISK! EVERYONE STOP HOLDING, KEEP ON PUSHING THE PRICE!
If you ran out of ISK, its probably a good idea to take out a loaner, with collateral its something like 3-5% per month, you are expecting to make 3-5% per month right? |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
738
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Posted - 2012.10.10 06:28:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:corestwo wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Silk daShocka wrote:Make sure to sell dem plexes befor the FW gets fixed!
Also, make sure to sell them now, before people stop buying them to put bids in for the upcoming tourny! Now would did I tell you. I forsee a future where PLEX will rise continuously and plateau. And now it has reached 600 MIL Much higer than I would ever had imagined. but its time to STOP . STOP NOW, before CCP initiate their god hands. The market cannot take any higher than this. HOLD AT 600 mil. Sell at 600mil. BUT NO LESS! You still think you're the one causing this. How precious. Better than thinking "ohhh I'm a useless fkuck who can't do sheit and only whines on the forum ." I'll say.
I'm plexing nine accounts and give no ****s about what the price is, so I'm not really sure who you're referring to here.  This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
fofofo |

Dianalexia
Gea'Vii Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2012.10.10 07:51:00 -
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Hahaha, I wonder what will CCP do. |

Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
34
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Posted - 2012.10.10 09:51:00 -
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It's gonna take alot of holding to deal with the massive demand that the 10k tourney is causing, as well as the always increasing demand caused by people birthing new FW alts.
The next 2 days are the time to sell. Once the tourney auction is done, it's likely that all the failed bids willl get their plexes back and flood the market.
Edit: my bad its' actually a little over the week until the auction, anyways yeah, sell if you like iskies. |

Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
34
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Posted - 2012.10.10 09:55:00 -
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Dianalexia wrote:Hahaha, I wonder what will CCP do.
Nothing, people are going to be more willing to spend $ on plex when it's worht more isk |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
132
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Posted - 2012.10.10 13:54:00 -
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Plex price will be capped by the demand ice and roid bots can mine profitably each month. If you want to know how far plex can climb take your ice bot months income - 100m. When Ice and roid bots unsub plex will crash followed by massive ice and mineral spike. Buy ice now if you predict further plex rises. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
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