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Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos
Corrosive.
223
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:49:00 -
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Hi
I believe that a massive ISK inflation is the PLEX. I believe that the only way to fix the market and remove ISK from the game is to remove plexes as a brought item. This will slowly drain ISK out of the game forcing players to make money and seek more valuable space.
It is quite clear that if you have *lots* of money IRL you can get ahead by purchasing shiny ships, funding massive alliances, this should not be allowed to continue.
Plex should be an ITEM brought in game from CCP directly through the char sheet and the ISK should disappear from game. Not be pumped back back into it.
At this point the rich benefit, the poor do not, a player in my corp who left recently had 42 billion ISK as he brought two plexes a week non stop since he started playing, he has ships and fits i could only dream of having.
Plex needs to be removed as a micro transaction from this game and the ISK when a plex is brought thru your char sheet should go to a CCP IN-GAME BANK and should disappear.
Discuss, and actually think about the ramifications of this before u troll the crap out of it
Taranius |
Noriko Mai
551
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:50:00 -
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Shut up |
Sexy Cakes
Poasting
91
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:51:00 -
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Never stop posting. 
Not today spaghetti. |
Taranius De Consolville
Lost Dawn Chaos
Corrosive.
223
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:52:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Never stop posting.
ofc not, freedom of speech luv :) |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
Still Censored
711
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:52:00 -
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Since when does Plex create isk? Also CCP paying isk for plexs isn't a smart business idea. Since they would be giving away game time for free(no RL $$) |
baltec1
Bat Country
2037
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:53:00 -
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Who wants to tell him plex dont add isk to the system? |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
1278
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:54:00 -
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PLEX doesn't add any ISK to the economy. It takes a little away per transaction, but mostly it is just a shuffling of ISK (which has no real effect on the value of said ISK). |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
483
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:56:00 -
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*edit* looks like everyone's jumping on the bandwagon to correct you...
Plex is not a source of isk....
Isk enters the game via NPC rat bounties, via mission rewards, etc....
Isk leaves the game by purchasing items from NPC's (like BPO's, LP items with isk cost), taxes, upgrading your clone, ship insurance (sometimes its a sink, sometimes it's a source)
Plex is completely independent.... allowing people to purchase game time in game,and then transfer that game time to another player in exchange for their isk.... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
619
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Posted - 2012.09.05 18:57:00 -
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Next you'll be telling us how people who use PLEX for game time are taking subscription money away from CCP.
http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Too-Boku
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:01:00 -
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This seems to be a case of common jealousy. Your corp member felt no compunction about spending large amounts of RL dough on bitcoins.
He probably is one of the Darwin award winners we get to see on the big kills section of eve-kill.net
This is a good thing, you may be jelly but PLEX doesn't inject isk into the system. For every person that buys a PLEX and sells it ingame for isk, that isk came from another player. The isk only changes hands. It doesn't create new isk. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
Still Censored
713
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Next you'll be telling us how people who use PLEX for game time are taking subscription money away from CCP.
He also probably doesn't know that CCP makes more off of Plex then subs. However subs are usually better from a business standpoint due to consistency, but that's another story. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
255
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:02:00 -
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And there went the idea that EVE players were intelligent.
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Mallak Azaria
599
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:02:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:At this point the rich benefit, the poor do not, a player in my corp who left recently had 42 billion ISK as he brought two plexes a week non stop since he started playing, he has ships and fits i could only dream of having.
The difference between OP & guy who bought 42bil worth of plexes? Nothing, they're both plebs.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1731
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:02:00 -
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This about covers it. |
Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
125
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:05:00 -
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So the player buys a plex for isk and the isk disappears, ccp is giving away free game time......
Thats a good business plan. |
Din Chao
Seraphim Initiative
Paradox Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:10:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:And there went the idea that EVE players were intelligent.
Who had that idea? |
Oregin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:10:00 -
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Seriously man, do you even know how it works? At what point is ISK magically injected in a plex transaction?
You sir, are not just foolish, but you seem to not understand this game and its mechanics. |
IGNATIUS HOOD
Zephyr Corp
Black Thorne Alliance
328
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:13:00 -
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if you want to lower inflation you need to get CCP to either shut off the ISK faucets or make the sinks bigger.
~Faucets are anything that creates value in the form of ISK or Product out of thin air
~Sinks are anything that takes value away without a return in product or ISK
i'll let you figure out where they are in this game becuase there are many and they are varied. they are also sacred cows that CCP must be careful in dealing with for the wrath of internet spacepilots is quick to attract and ugly to witness.
the only other way to do it is more ships need to explode becuase in the ships and mods is inherent ISK value. when those ships and mods get destroyed that value is erased.
PLEX has nothing to do with it. the value of PLEXes are where they are right now becuase ISK is down versus RL currency as a result of too much ISK on the market. In other words, its a symptom, not a disease.
PLEX are not a faucet becuase they are consumed or destroyed. You buy a PLEX for 500m ISK, and use it to extend your license you have now erased 500m ISK from the game.
It's a sink.
now inflation does hurt new players, which you fail to mention but its true, and alot of the reason is that older players have an inherent resource advantage due to playing longer and being smarter. unfortunately anything that benefits a new player probably benefits the older players more and the older players are better positioned to exploit it.
however it is not all doom and gloom for new players, patience and preserverance will pay off in the end. the problem lies in the fact that most newer players don't have the nature for EVE. in reality 10% of the gamer population is up to the task of being successful in EVE. don't kid yourself, this is a hard game no matter what some may say.
i digress however, you were talking about inflation, but you don't know of what you speak.
hope this helps.
"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."--H.L. Mencken |
Webvan
State War Academy
Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:16:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:
At this point the rich benefit, the poor do not, a player in my corp who left recently had 42 billion ISK as he brought two plexes a week non stop since he started playing, he has ships and fits i could only dream of having.
What is this, Occupy Jita?!? Go graffiti a playground.
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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
Unified Church of the Unobligated
717
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:19:00 -
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My advice: try engaging brain before making posts in future.
Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method
Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
Still Censored
714
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:21:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:My advice: try engaging brain before making posts in future.
Thats not as fun as just spewing random ****. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
11
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:32:00 -
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Quote:the only other way to do it is more ships need to explode becuase in the ships and mods is inherent ISK value. when those ships and mods get destroyed that value is erased.
Someone will have to buy new blueprint and pay some taxes, not much of ISK lost, remember that you gave away those ISK to manufacturer of ship, so its not like it was lost anywhere. You lost ship, Manufacturer is all happy.
Anything like game taxes, and more NPCs selling stuff that is lost in game will make real ISK sink. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4521
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:34:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:And there went the idea that EVE players were intelligent.
Ow
My elitism 
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1056
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:44:00 -
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1/10 Troll Rating
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Fish Alabel
A Big Enough Lever
Numquam Ambulare Solus
0
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:50:00 -
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Epic Fail of the day |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1124
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Posted - 2012.09.05 19:54:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Discuss, and actually think about the ramifications of this before u troll the crap out of it
Taranius
You first.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Kunming
CyberShield Inc
ROMANIAN-LEGION
74
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:09:00 -
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@OP: I guess by this point you realized how flawed your argumentation was. Think before you type.
Anyway to stay constructive, the most ISK comes from mission and ship insurance payouts and NPC bounties.
The insurance is a newbie protection, but maybe we could discus removing it in 0.0 space. After all you dont get a security hit so its pretty much considered that it never happened. Maybe even expand the limitation to victims of CONCORD and kill rights.
Missions and bounties should be item based rewards and minimal ISK reward. This has been suggested and discussed several times.
So how will ISK come into the economy at all one would ask. The several input valves like prices on NPC buy orders, the minimal amount from bounties and mission rewards, and insurance payout, etc would give CCP a much better control over the ISK influx into EVE. This would also prevent loop sided nerfs, since, in the case that ISK needs to be cut down, all fronts would only get a fraction of the reduction across the board.
TLDR: Item based drops instead of ISK drops lead to a healthier economy in EVE. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
760
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:15:00 -
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Biomass youself |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1445
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Posted - 2012.09.05 20:27:00 -
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I think the OP just worded his argument incorrectly. From my understanding, he (or she, idk) suggested that PLEX is to be made as this huge isk sink rather than circulated market item.
"I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose."
-Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
11
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Posted - 2012.09.05 21:14:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:I think the OP just worded his argument incorrectly. From my understanding, he (or she, idk) suggested that PLEX is to be made as this huge isk sink rather than circulated market item.
As for ISK sink it would be excelent, as for not financing CCP by not using PLEX bought for real cash to add gametime - worst decision ever. And broker fees still apply to PLEX trading. So it is some form of ISK sink already. |
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