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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:03:00 -
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This is ridiculous.
There is NO reason to remove that. I thought people made to much of a big deal about removing agent complexity, but maybe they were right.
You guys are just gutting the game.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Ghoest
This is ridiculous.
There is NO reason to remove that. I thought people made to much of a big deal about removing agent complexity, but maybe they were right.
You guys are just gutting the game.
You cannot check anyone NPC corp standings anymore hence, can't know if it's an spy alt or not.
this makes the game harder as now trust is even more valuable than before.. your point?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:12:00 -
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CROSS npc standing
As in you cant see Which NPC corps like and dislike one another.
Ya its a big deal.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Akira Samposeppa on 19/05/2011 21:15:22
I think his point was that you cant know now if minmatar republic, for example, is on good terms with the jove, for example, or not...
Yes I also think this is stupid change, ok for not showing player standings but this is just dumb 
Edit: heh you were few seconds faster
Edit-Edit: CCP please tell me that you will fix this or I will personally create petition each and every time when i want to know what are the standings of one npc corp/faction towards others, i suddenly i am getting urge to know more and more these things.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
This is ridiculous.
There is NO reason to remove that. I thought people made to much of a big deal about removing agent complexity, but maybe they were right.
You guys are just gutting the game.
Yeah, I thought this was stupid too, what can you do.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:25:00 -
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all the hallmarks of a ccp prismx change
"i dont use this so nobody uses this"
"its causing db access and transmission lag and i dont use this so nobody uses this and its slowing down things i do use(LOGICAL FALLACY ALERT GROW CLUMP ON BRAIN TO COMPENSATE)"
remove it
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:26:00 -
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I concur that the Standings change referenced here is a mistake and I to will begin creating petitions with questions about it.
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Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:29:00 -
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CCP nerfed FW, c/d?
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Gavi Loken
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:35:00 -
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This was obviously done due to resource use. I only got lag from opening up a character screen and seeing the standings tab after looking at a previous pilot's alliance member corps. I'm not an expert, but couldn't this issue have been solved by making the player's bio tab the one that comes up first?
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Komen
Gallente
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:35:00 -
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I concur. There's little to no explanation of WHY this was done, it seems poorly thought out, and it removes some actually useful information from the game (and NOT just for ganking/griefing corps).
Some justification of the reasoning behind this removal would be appreciated (so we can dissect it and prove why it's wrong, line by line - the only justification I could see not being side-splittingly awful would be a decrease of lag, and honestly why not move it to its own node, like you did with other things so it's not on the same solar system node, and...bah.
Again, this seems last minute, unexplained, and probably was a lazy workaround for the fact that when you open standings tab, it can lag up the client for a few seconds.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:37:00 -
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Some low level noob dev got ganked trying run a mission so he totally removed the ability to see standings in a fit of self centered stupidity I suppose.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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DeT Resprox
Minmatar
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:37:00 -
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The removal of being able to see another players factional/corp standings in my opinion has had a huge impact on Corp recruitment for Roleplay Corps and in particular Faction Warfare corporations from an anti-spy point of view.
A lot of FW/RP Corps (including ours) would not touch a player with standings towards enemy factions or with too low a standing in those we work for.
This for me and many others is going to have a huge impact on things.
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:48:00 -
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As far as i know there are no means to know what standing one entity (npc or pc) has towards other npc entities.
So what should we do?
File a petition to ask ccp (as i mentioned in my previous post) every time you want to know will "joe newrecruit" bust your corp stands or is he fw spy..etc etc ?
Or for instance...if i run missions for angel cartel will that lower my standings towards caldari or gallente as well or only minmatar ?
Coz i dont see other way and ccp has that information.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:55:00 -
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Its stupid that we cant see others players NPC standing(for reasons mentioned in this thread.)
Its game breaking for many players that we cant see The standing between various NPC factions.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:56:00 -
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another example of why team BFF is extremely overrated. Seriously, all the stuff they've screwed up so far really makes the few minor gains they've done so very NOT worth it.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: salty Milk
all the hallmarks of a ccp prismx change
"i dont use this so nobody uses this"
"its causing db access and transmission lag and i dont use this so nobody uses this and its slowing down things i do use(LOGICAL FALLACY ALERT GROW CLUMP ON BRAIN TO COMPENSATE)"
remove it
play dumb
Both your name and your post have won my heart. 
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:16:00 -
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You guys are mad? So it must be a good change.
Thanks CCP :)
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Galactina Evol
The Glistening
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:26:00 -
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To say this is utterly insane is beyond description.
It may seem an incredibly pathetic way to spend your time too some, but i got pleasure in spending literally YEARS obtaining ridiculous levels of faction standing for the sole purpose of people staring in disbelief when they looked at my character sheet.
But after today no-one will ever know of my bearish ways because some idiot, who does not know how to play the game, decides to start ripping out CORE mechanics that are crucial to how people play this game.
Surely, if this change was done for performance reasons then is it not just a simple matter simply to default to a state that does not load that information upon clicking upon a char's bio.
If that person wants to see the standing info, click on the standing tab and THEN load the info from the DB.
HOW HARD IS THAT??
Yes, i mad.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vaju Katru
You guys are mad? So it must be a good change.
Thanks CCP :)
If you want people to quit who arent just O.0 dwellers to become unhappy and eventualy quit - then yes this is a good start.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:30:00 -
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Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
I call this the "CCP Player Homogenization Project".
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Half Cocked Jack
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Skellington
Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
I call this the "CCP Player Homogenization Project".
I'm calling it the Great RP Nerf...but I hope its just temporary. :)
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.05.19 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 19/05/2011 23:55:19
At the least this information should be available using the limited API. In fact, this would be the ideal situation to address both CCP's concerns and a corporation's concerns.
As it stands now a corporation can only view a player's employment history and ask if they're trustworthy. The answer to that question will always be yes. CCP, you might as well require corp hangers to be placed off grid from the POS, make in station hangers accessible to anyone, allow random people to join any corp they want with whatever role they want and broadcast corp chats publicly. This is BS.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.05.19 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gavi Loken
This was obviously done due to resource use. I only got lag from opening up a character screen and seeing the standings tab after looking at a previous pilot's alliance member corps. I'm not an expert, but couldn't this issue have been solved by making the player's bio tab the one that comes up first?
That solution would be too logical and obvious!
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.20 01:34:00 -
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There are a ton of bad things for this what exactly is the good side of this?
People can't find info about each other as easily - less thought out hunting/griefing - less thought out interaction is awesome \o/
Makes it harder to determine recruits, especially for FW corps - Cause the current well built and highly adaptable corp access roles are able to handle this and FW needed a nerf.
Automatically opening it up to this no longer produces a second and a half of lag - Now your entire 500 man fleet can show info on a guy and not lag the system
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.05.20 01:45:00 -
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Why I think CCP Changed this:
Because when someone was viewing the 4th tab of lets say... a module, then clicked on a person in game, it would default to the "Standings" page.
VERY annoying as a player.
They couldn't figure out why their servers were on such heavy load so instead of just, I don't know, setting the default tab # you display when showing info on a new object to default to 1, they instead... removed this all together.
YAY LAG FIXED!
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.20 02:19:00 -
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My bet is they canŠt get the UI to only drop Agent standings from visibility.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.20 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
My bet is they canŠt get the UI to only drop Agent standings from visibility.
So they decided instead to just destroy the story, roleplaying and faction wars instead.
I think your probably right after all because thats exactly what we expect from CCP.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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OverlordY
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Posted - 2011.05.20 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
My bet is they canŠt get the UI to only drop Agent standings from visibility.
yes, this does sound exactly why, they CBA with the extra lines of code they would have to invent and just though
* fek it ill just delete the entire thing*
The CCP way.
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Tira Mitzu
Sphere Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.20 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
Dear CCP
Several years your game has been my loving misstress.
Hiring Akita T would finaly get her into lace stockings.
Do it damnit.
P.S.
This change doesn't make sense, fix it.
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