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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:03:00 -
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This is ridiculous.
There is NO reason to remove that. I thought people made to much of a big deal about removing agent complexity, but maybe they were right.
You guys are just gutting the game.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Sadayiel
Caldari
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Ghoest
This is ridiculous.
There is NO reason to remove that. I thought people made to much of a big deal about removing agent complexity, but maybe they were right.
You guys are just gutting the game.
You cannot check anyone NPC corp standings anymore hence, can't know if it's an spy alt or not.
this makes the game harder as now trust is even more valuable than before.. your point?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:12:00 -
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CROSS npc standing
As in you cant see Which NPC corps like and dislike one another.
Ya its a big deal.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Akira Samposeppa on 19/05/2011 21:15:22
I think his point was that you cant know now if minmatar republic, for example, is on good terms with the jove, for example, or not...
Yes I also think this is stupid change, ok for not showing player standings but this is just dumb 
Edit: heh you were few seconds faster
Edit-Edit: CCP please tell me that you will fix this or I will personally create petition each and every time when i want to know what are the standings of one npc corp/faction towards others, i suddenly i am getting urge to know more and more these things.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
This is ridiculous.
There is NO reason to remove that. I thought people made to much of a big deal about removing agent complexity, but maybe they were right.
You guys are just gutting the game.
Yeah, I thought this was stupid too, what can you do.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:25:00 -
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all the hallmarks of a ccp prismx change
"i dont use this so nobody uses this"
"its causing db access and transmission lag and i dont use this so nobody uses this and its slowing down things i do use(LOGICAL FALLACY ALERT GROW CLUMP ON BRAIN TO COMPENSATE)"
remove it
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Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:26:00 -
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I concur that the Standings change referenced here is a mistake and I to will begin creating petitions with questions about it.
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Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:29:00 -
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CCP nerfed FW, c/d?
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Gavi Loken
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:35:00 -
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This was obviously done due to resource use. I only got lag from opening up a character screen and seeing the standings tab after looking at a previous pilot's alliance member corps. I'm not an expert, but couldn't this issue have been solved by making the player's bio tab the one that comes up first?
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Komen
Gallente
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:35:00 -
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I concur. There's little to no explanation of WHY this was done, it seems poorly thought out, and it removes some actually useful information from the game (and NOT just for ganking/griefing corps).
Some justification of the reasoning behind this removal would be appreciated (so we can dissect it and prove why it's wrong, line by line - the only justification I could see not being side-splittingly awful would be a decrease of lag, and honestly why not move it to its own node, like you did with other things so it's not on the same solar system node, and...bah.
Again, this seems last minute, unexplained, and probably was a lazy workaround for the fact that when you open standings tab, it can lag up the client for a few seconds.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:37:00 -
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Some low level noob dev got ganked trying run a mission so he totally removed the ability to see standings in a fit of self centered stupidity I suppose.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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DeT Resprox
Minmatar
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:37:00 -
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The removal of being able to see another players factional/corp standings in my opinion has had a huge impact on Corp recruitment for Roleplay Corps and in particular Faction Warfare corporations from an anti-spy point of view.
A lot of FW/RP Corps (including ours) would not touch a player with standings towards enemy factions or with too low a standing in those we work for.
This for me and many others is going to have a huge impact on things.
DeT Resprox
T.R.I.A.D CEO
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:48:00 -
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As far as i know there are no means to know what standing one entity (npc or pc) has towards other npc entities.
So what should we do?
File a petition to ask ccp (as i mentioned in my previous post) every time you want to know will "joe newrecruit" bust your corp stands or is he fw spy..etc etc ?
Or for instance...if i run missions for angel cartel will that lower my standings towards caldari or gallente as well or only minmatar ?
Coz i dont see other way and ccp has that information.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:55:00 -
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Its stupid that we cant see others players NPC standing(for reasons mentioned in this thread.)
Its game breaking for many players that we cant see The standing between various NPC factions.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.19 21:56:00 -
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another example of why team BFF is extremely overrated. Seriously, all the stuff they've screwed up so far really makes the few minor gains they've done so very NOT worth it.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: salty Milk
all the hallmarks of a ccp prismx change
"i dont use this so nobody uses this"
"its causing db access and transmission lag and i dont use this so nobody uses this and its slowing down things i do use(LOGICAL FALLACY ALERT GROW CLUMP ON BRAIN TO COMPENSATE)"
remove it
play dumb
Both your name and your post have won my heart. 
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:16:00 -
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You guys are mad? So it must be a good change.
Thanks CCP :)
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Galactina Evol
The Glistening
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:26:00 -
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To say this is utterly insane is beyond description.
It may seem an incredibly pathetic way to spend your time too some, but i got pleasure in spending literally YEARS obtaining ridiculous levels of faction standing for the sole purpose of people staring in disbelief when they looked at my character sheet.
But after today no-one will ever know of my bearish ways because some idiot, who does not know how to play the game, decides to start ripping out CORE mechanics that are crucial to how people play this game.
Surely, if this change was done for performance reasons then is it not just a simple matter simply to default to a state that does not load that information upon clicking upon a char's bio.
If that person wants to see the standing info, click on the standing tab and THEN load the info from the DB.
HOW HARD IS THAT??
Yes, i mad.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vaju Katru
You guys are mad? So it must be a good change.
Thanks CCP :)
If you want people to quit who arent just O.0 dwellers to become unhappy and eventualy quit - then yes this is a good start.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:30:00 -
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Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
I call this the "CCP Player Homogenization Project".
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Half Cocked Jack
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Posted - 2011.05.19 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Skellington
Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
I call this the "CCP Player Homogenization Project".
I'm calling it the Great RP Nerf...but I hope its just temporary. :)
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.05.19 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 19/05/2011 23:55:19
At the least this information should be available using the limited API. In fact, this would be the ideal situation to address both CCP's concerns and a corporation's concerns.
As it stands now a corporation can only view a player's employment history and ask if they're trustworthy. The answer to that question will always be yes. CCP, you might as well require corp hangers to be placed off grid from the POS, make in station hangers accessible to anyone, allow random people to join any corp they want with whatever role they want and broadcast corp chats publicly. This is BS.
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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.05.19 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gavi Loken
This was obviously done due to resource use. I only got lag from opening up a character screen and seeing the standings tab after looking at a previous pilot's alliance member corps. I'm not an expert, but couldn't this issue have been solved by making the player's bio tab the one that comes up first?
That solution would be too logical and obvious!
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.20 01:34:00 -
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There are a ton of bad things for this what exactly is the good side of this?
People can't find info about each other as easily - less thought out hunting/griefing - less thought out interaction is awesome \o/
Makes it harder to determine recruits, especially for FW corps - Cause the current well built and highly adaptable corp access roles are able to handle this and FW needed a nerf.
Automatically opening it up to this no longer produces a second and a half of lag - Now your entire 500 man fleet can show info on a guy and not lag the system
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Zagdul
Gallente
Shadowed Command
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.05.20 01:45:00 -
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Why I think CCP Changed this:
Because when someone was viewing the 4th tab of lets say... a module, then clicked on a person in game, it would default to the "Standings" page.
VERY annoying as a player.
They couldn't figure out why their servers were on such heavy load so instead of just, I don't know, setting the default tab # you display when showing info on a new object to default to 1, they instead... removed this all together.
YAY LAG FIXED!
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.20 02:19:00 -
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My bet is they canŠt get the UI to only drop Agent standings from visibility.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.20 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
My bet is they canŠt get the UI to only drop Agent standings from visibility.
So they decided instead to just destroy the story, roleplaying and faction wars instead.
I think your probably right after all because thats exactly what we expect from CCP.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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OverlordY
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Posted - 2011.05.20 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak
My bet is they canŠt get the UI to only drop Agent standings from visibility.
yes, this does sound exactly why, they CBA with the extra lines of code they would have to invent and just though
* fek it ill just delete the entire thing*
The CCP way.
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Tira Mitzu
Sphere Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.20 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
Dear CCP
Several years your game has been my loving misstress.
Hiring Akita T would finaly get her into lace stockings.
Do it damnit.
P.S.
This change doesn't make sense, fix it.
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Stem Salafo
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.05.20 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: Stem Salafo on 20/05/2011 05:05:13
Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
Yah, this is my feelings on the matter too. It was bad enough when they changed it to display only one direction of the inter-faction NPC relationships.
One nice thing about seeing other players standings with NPC corporations was that you could at a glance tell if a new player had done any of the tutorials yet. That's helped me countless times when helping new players.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.05.20 05:29:00 -
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Edited by: Serpents smile on 20/05/2011 05:34:23
PS: I suk
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2011.05.20 05:45:00 -
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Ha ha, now you no-life griefers won't be able to tell which agents I use for my missions. I hope that locators are next on the list. Soon the game will become what it should have been eight years ago, and maybe actually have a big enough player count for us real players to actually socialize with. 
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Imiarr Timshae
Caldari
Funny Men In Funny Hats
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Posted - 2011.05.20 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Destiny Corrupted
Ha ha, now you no-life griefers won't be able to tell which agents I use for my missions. I hope that locators are next on the list. Soon the game will become what it should have been eight years ago, and maybe actually have a big enough player count for us real players to actually socialize with.
An opt-in public visibility system for standings would counter whatever concerns you have about standings, and those who want to express their friends/foes ingame would be able to do so.
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Originally by: GM Horse
Remember kids, both meth and macro use are Really Quite Bad Things.
Originally by: CCP Shadow
Tragic smelting accidents.
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Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2011.05.20 07:07:00 -
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Told you so.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.20 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 20/05/2011 07:53:02
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or to be more precise: part of the uniqueness of EVE is that unlike most games, and most MMOs, it has no "fog of war". It's a high tech society, knowledge about everything is at everyone's fingertips.
So now, suddenly, knowledge about the "political" situation in the EVE universe has become a mystery?
*****
"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
gEM x
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Posted - 2011.05.20 08:08:00 -
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i dont like any of the hidden faction standings bs i hope it gets reversed pronto
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Kane Cobra
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.20 08:18:00 -
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Basic rule of game design : cut the fat. CCP is doing right thing by removing that useless standing list. Come on, who use it anyway? :|
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.05.20 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kane Cobra
CCP is doing right thing by removing that useless standing list. Come on, who use it anyway? :|
Corps that want to put POS's up in empire space, for one. So, a pretty good fraction of the game.
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Tebb1288
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Posted - 2011.05.20 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Removing visibility of AGENT standings made sense.
Removing visibility of CORP standings was unnecessary, even slightly bad.
Removing visibility of FACTION standings was downright stupid.
Once again I completely agree with Akita T.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.05.20 08:55:00 -
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Indeed only allow the ability to see faction standings. Corp and Agent standings really aren't that important and just causes lag.
Also CCP since you seem to be in the mood of removing useless crap. Could you remove the 2min timer for posting? I believe we are safe from the "Audrey Bitoni" attacks now.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.05.20 09:55:00 -
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so.. im not sure anyone has given a decent reason why it should be brought back?
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.20 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
so.. im not sure anyone has given a decent reason why it should be brought back?
Only 20 times already (if not more).
For one it is simply an intel tool that is removed.
Some corporations need a sufficiently high faction standing (FW/new POS's in high sec), so then you need to know which standings your members have.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.20 10:00:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Skippermonkey
so.. im not sure anyone has given a decent reason why it should be brought back?
Because Eve used to be a game where actions had consequences.
But apparently not any more.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.05.20 10:06:00 -
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meh, not convincing
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Eolithic WithaTwist
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.05.20 10:10:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ghoest
CROSS npc standing
As in you cant see Which NPC corps like and dislike one another.
Ya its a big deal.
sweet sweet ghoest tears.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.05.20 10:19:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Eolithic WithaTwist
sweet sweet ghoest tears.
Look Ma: no brainz!
Indeed child, no bwrainz, here have a cookie.
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.20 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Skippermonkey
so.. im not sure anyone has given a decent reason why it should be brought back?
For those involved in the RP area of the game faction standings acts as a sort of secondary standing. It is important for all recruits to have good standing with your faction as well as corps which may be needed for jump clones and you don't want them to have standings with your opposing factions. We can get all this from the api but that opens up a lot of information they may not want to give out, this sort of stuff is standard practice for 0.0 corps but not FW.
We have to compete with the main FW corp which is NPC automated recruiting. Our main intel channel is of course infested with spies and we don't have/need any serious corp assets. Our recruiting is much more open on every issue except for their standings with the NPC nations.
Second many of the RPers even if they don't actually RP tend to be proud of their standing with their related factions. It is something we work towards and focus on improving a lot, yet it doesn't actually do anything in game past 8.0 standing (1 time cosmos missions aside). In fact the only reward you get from running the FW complexes is standing.
Yes a part of this is we want to show off our pretty standings. Just as people want to show off pretty avatars or pretty corp logos on the side of their ships. We put a damn lot of work into those and now they are removed from the game, only way to see them is gonna be through 3rd party sites.
Finally Intel. Of course there is the opportunity for bounty hunters looking for specific people to find them through this (not sure how actually useful this is). Honestly I prefer ganks like this, the majority of high sec piracy is just focus on where the majority of players are and hunt any random there. Actually taking effort trying to find the person looking through their standings, history, locator agents and planning out a good gank I think is much better.
Also in low sec I find this acts as a pretty good intel tool. Guy with high amarr standings in minmatar mission system probably is here for a bad reason. Guy with good standings for Core complexions in system with a core complexion station might be in that station. Guy with no standings to any corps/factions at all is most likely a hauler/cyno alt. Yes it's free intel (sort of like free minerals) but it's no guarantee and it's mostly guess work and trying to think things out. Intel also isn't intrinsically a bad thing like a lot of people seem to think, intel with no work, no thought and definite answers is bad, but standings isn't that sort of intel.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.05.20 10:48:00 -
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Tbh CCP should just make it a option to allow people to see standings. Though I still think the change was good other then removing faction standings(due to FW recruitment).
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dosperado
Denial of Service
Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2011.05.20 11:51:00 -
[50]
Edited by: dosperado on 20/05/2011 11:51:30
Put FACTION standings and CORP standings back into the Show info tab or this will be my last week in EVE after 8 years!
Nothing more to say
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Security Status 9.0
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.20 11:53:00 -
[51]
Akita was right.
But I would be happy if we could simply see Faction standings for everything.
Agents obviously dont need to be displayed. And while a good case can be made for corp standings I can live without them just fine.
Faction standing are a must. Its a core part of the game.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:02:00 -
[52]
Originally by: dosperado
Edited by: dosperado on 20/05/2011 11:51:30
Put FACTION standings and CORP standings back into the Show info tab or this will be my last week in EVE after 8 years!
Nothing more to say
Seriously this small of a change is going to make you rage quit? Sad really.
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dosperado
Denial of Service
Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:05:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Originally by: dosperado
Edited by: dosperado on 20/05/2011 11:51:30
Put FACTION standings and CORP standings back into the Show info tab or this will be my last week in EVE after 8 years!
Nothing more to say
Seriously this small of a change is going to make you rage quit? Sad really.
Not so small if you have 2 factions on 10.0 and 20+ corps on 10.0.
Better remove the visibility of certs or certs in general...most useless stuff ever...
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:09:00 -
[54]
moments before down time i got the reason to look up somebodies standing and bullseyed his activities to a particular agent
my locators are putting him in adjacent systems while he runs mission
i have till mid june to make him directly one of the final victims of publicly visible agent standings
such kills will remain possible of course but will just take more trial account scouting n1 ccp gf gf
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Aaron Honk
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:13:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Aaron Honk on 20/05/2011 12:13:40
C'mon CCP please put Faction and corp standings back in.
You finally removed the possibility to offer standing push services...and this really hurts.
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:26:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Concubinia Scarlett on 20/05/2011 12:26:42
M spider sense is tingling about future character bazaar issues with people having standings so bad they cannot enter certain faction space, and conveniently forgetting to mention this / being unaware when selling the character.
 *THE PERSON BUYING CANNOT NOW CHECK!*
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:47:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Brooks Puuntai
Indeed only allow the ability to see faction standings. Corp and Agent standings really aren't that important and just causes lag.
Also CCP since you seem to be in the mood of removing useless crap. Could you remove the 2min timer for posting? I believe we are safe from the "Audrey Bitoni" attacks now.
Its not a "small change" for many people. Remember this is a sandbox with many play styles.
It doesnt matter to me as much as it would have 2 years ago but its still more significant than for instance removing kill mail to my game experience.
For people who take warring factions to heart this stuff is a big deal.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Alaura Aquila
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:54:00 -
[58]
I want to know why CCP is so silent on this, they must not give a **** and want to sweep this under the rug. This is so ****ing dumb on so many levels.
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Darod Zyree
Gallente
Zyree Holding
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:00:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Darod Zyree on 20/05/2011 14:06:02
Dear DEV whoever, please offer some explanation as to why this change was done?
And if at all possible, have a discussion here with us to change it back and improve it somewhat.
Like others have mentioned, remove the long list of agents but keep NPC corp and faction standings.
Role-play and recruitment are heavily hit by this change.
-Darod- |
Lucius Britannia
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:34:00 -
[60]
+1
Agreed! Needs to be fixed! |
Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:51:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Alaura Aquila
I want to know why CCP is so silent on this, they must not give a **** and want to sweep this under the rug. This is so ****ing dumb on so many levels.
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Archestratidas
>>The show info page wonÆt show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other peopleÆs standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.
So is this going to fix the problem of 'Show Info' pages that default to the standings tab locking up the client for 5-15 seconds while it loads all that useless crap?
Yeah, there's the performance increase too.
from page 3 of the dev blog.
thats the only explanation/response I've seen
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piccy |
Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:02:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Cosmoes
Originally by: Alaura Aquila
I want to know why CCP is so silent on this, they must not give a **** and want to sweep this under the rug. This is so ****ing dumb on so many levels.
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Archestratidas
>>The show info page wonÆt show another players standing to EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE. From now on, it will only display standings relevant to you. This basically limits your ability to be a creepy stalker that keeps an eye on other peopleÆs standings to random agents. It also simplifies the UI.
So is this going to fix the problem of 'Show Info' pages that default to the standings tab locking up the client for 5-15 seconds while it loads all that useless crap?
Yeah, there's the performance increase too.
from page 3 of the dev blog.
thats the only explanation/response I've seen
Yeah its a
dumbification = "simplifying" the UI (taking stuff away with no replacement is "good")
numbification = we're forced to be more carebear (ohh, its such a dark place this EVE, yes? Only every patch a bit less)
and an unforeseen performance boost (gosh really?)
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Whispering Monk
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:03:00 -
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Quote:
Yeah, I thought this was stupid too, what can you do.
Make post on a forum and hope they see sense?
For new players to the game, they have unnecessary gutted a core part of the EVE lore...
...Seeing what FACTIONS dislike what FACTIONS and how much so.
I understand the player change to stop spying/stalking(although some players worked hard on their reps and WANT to show them off... Can't now.), but the NPC change is pointless and removes a useful tool for RP and working out what factions to work for.  |
Alaura Aquila
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Whispering Monk
Quote:
Yeah, I thought this was stupid too, what can you do.
Make post on a forum and hope they see sense?
For new players to the game, they have unnecessary gutted a core part of the EVE lore...
...Seeing what FACTIONS dislike what FACTIONS and how much so.
I understand the player change to stop spying/stalking(although some players worked hard on their reps and WANT to show them off... Can't now.), but the NPC change is pointless and removes a useful tool for RP and working out what factions to work for.
I agree, CCP has ****ed up yet again.
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Whispering Monk
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:10:00 -
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They might as well just make 4 NPC corps. Why bother with all the sub corps. The variety don't matter any more.
Hey... what's Amarr's view on Thukker Tribe?
Fkd if I know... Don't matter any more. Games not about immersing yourself in a great universe with it's own lore now.
Dumb.
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Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit
Sentient World Observation and Response Directive
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Valeo Galaem on 20/05/2011 16:23:15
What about the trickle down effect of standings?!?
People who run lots of Caldari based missions will find they their standings with Gallente and Amarr drop while Minmatar increases slightly. They may also find that their highest standing is with Mordu's Legion despite never even talking to one of their agents. How did that happen? I have no idea (it's barely covered in the backstory), but I would have even less of a clue without cross NPC standing lists.
This effects everyday mission runners who give a crap about their standing with other factions and corps - which I hope is a significant amount of the playerbase. None the least concern is the effect on RP facets of the game.
CCP might as well remove cross faction standings all together at this point! Next year each NPC faction/corp will live in its own bubble. Picking which agent, corp, or faction to align yourself with won't mean a thing and half of the backstory will be thrown out the window. After all, the only reason to bother with any of it is to grind missions, right?
Thar be Pirates
You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe
Your Wallet has been emptied!
CONCORD Encryption Methods |
Ripley Nostromo
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:42:00 -
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For everyone unhappy with this:
Can I have yer stuff???
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Cave Lord
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:44:00 -
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Where is the CSM in all of this? As "representatives" of the EVE community, surely we should contact the CSM?
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.05.20 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cave Lord
Where is the CSM in all of this? As "representatives" of the EVE community, surely we should contact the CSM?
The csm only care about their 0.0 no life outside of eve gay nap fest...
and their free game time supplied by many other grunt slaves in their alliances
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Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.05.20 18:36:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Cave Lord
Where is the CSM in all of this? As "representatives" of the EVE community, surely we should contact the CSM?
I doubt the CSM even knew about it let alone could actually do anything about it. Even with having a 0.0 based CSM, CCP is still rolling out nerfs across the board whether the CSM like it or not. Which shows that the CSM don't really have any power when it comes to the way CCP makes changes. This should be no surprise to anyone. Also when it comes to current issues with the game that the CSM COULD go for, I doubt something as insignificant to the majority as hidden standings is high on the list.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:10:00 -
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CSMs represent 0.0 voting blocks.
Im not going complain about the program here. Just leave it at the CSMs for a variety of reasons do no represent the fairly large number of players effected by this.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:21:00 -
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This is so plain and boring by ccp. I remember when CCP was trying to make eve an epic and immersive world the seemed "real" but that time is long gone. Nowdays design decisions are based on "reducing DB-queries" rather than anything else. Eve really is becoming "plastic" and soulless.
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dosperado
Denial of Service
Freelancer Coalition
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:33:00 -
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Let us at least toggle the visibility of our standings (faction/corp) like the cert system. PLEASE
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Security Status 9.0
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Ky Vatta
Majority 12
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:48:00 -
[74]
Is this just further proof that CCP devs don`t actually play the game??
Also, it points towards the fact that proper research was not done again
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Alaura Aquila
Minmatar
JOKAS Industries
Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.05.20 20:05:00 -
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Cave Lord
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Posted - 2011.05.21 00:37:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Cave Lord on 21/05/2011 00:38:17
I apologize, I didn't mean to flesh out flaws in CSM.
(*edit* formatting fail)
So as I understand it, CCP in one change, does the following:
- People with negative faction standings to "covertly" destroy corp standings
- POS setup will be negatively effected.
- Ostrasize (sp?) the role playing community as now no one knows who has what standings with who.
- Allows 3rd party programs to be the PRIMARY means of getting information from a character on their faction standings. (effectively, telling your customers to go elsewhere for needed information)
Someone mentioned earlier (I can't see posts while writing this) that ALL of this could be solved by making faction information OPTIONAL. Kind of like certificate information, with the default setting as "non-public".
I believe this is by far, the best solution. If we can agree on this or some other compromise between CCP's goals and old functionality, we can rally behind it unify as one voice.
Thoughts?
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Akira Samposeppa
Gallente
Arthashastra
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Posted - 2011.05.21 07:46:00 -
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Imho they dont need to put back "show standings" option in info if they dont want to...
...but they MUST provide an alternative way to find out that information...
I honestly dont care where, few more clicks wont kill me, but it must be somewhere.
Put it on eve gate, or as a optional something (like some already stated in this thread) or something else...
But this information MUST be available in the game somehow at least for npc corps and (if nothing else) for players which have excellent standings towards you maybe...
Among other problems this change has caused, it has nerfed role play, proving once again that ccp wants to remove rp from eve and turn eve into counterstrike in space ... and i hate counterstrike (and any other fps/3rd shooter/shooter in general for that matter) so they can expect people like me to leave the game soon if they continue in this way.
But as i see that the devs havent even looked at this thread i fear that this problem will go into oblivion like ton of everything else.
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Whispering Monk
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Posted - 2011.05.21 11:24:00 -
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Just the simple fact that new players can't click on a factions info...
...say Amarr, and see what their ingame relation is with the other factions is.
New players can't even goto a factions info tab to find out WHAT other factions there are.
A new player now, could PVE for months before he even learned there was a faction called THUKKER or AMAATAR, let alone choose to run missions for them for RP reasons.
Hell... It don't even really matter on an immersion/rp level now, as no one could see what corp you worked for anyway.
They've done away mission types. They might as well get rid corps next. So all you are left with is...
I mission for Caldari Distribution. The individual corps serve no purpose any more.
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.21 13:04:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Whispering Monk
Just the simple fact that new players can't click on a factions info...
...say Amarr, and see what their ingame relation is with the other factions is.
New players can't even goto a factions info tab to find out WHAT other factions there are.
A new player now, could PVE for months before he even learned there was a faction called THUKKER or AMAATAR, let alone choose to run missions for them for RP reasons.
Hell... It don't even really matter on an immersion/rp level now, as no one could see what corp you worked for anyway.
They've done away mission types. They might as well get rid corps next. So all you are left with is...
I mission for Caldari Distribution. The individual corps serve no purpose any more.
I remember when I first started the game doing precisely what you are talking about - I would follow a "chain" through the standings, finding out about different factions and their relations to each other.
For me, this gave the game a tremendous background sense of depth - like this was a universe with something going on in it, some life.
It's sad to think of a new player today not being able to stumble on that richness of relationships.
It's sad to think that EVE may eventually turn into a pew-pew game with a chat lobby.
CCP, what's happening to our virtual world?
*****
"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.05.21 13:37:00 -
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- Return list with inter-NPC standing (shouldn't have to be a big load on the server, hint: these values have not changed much since launch)
- Make showing Faction&Corp standing optional like certificates (crucial for corps with high-sec pos or FW, shame on CCP for not caring)
/signed
I have the feeling a couple of devs have -chars that got tracked by their agent-standing so they smacked it bit the nerfbat.
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Nyveg
Hyperborea Re
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Posted - 2011.05.21 14:00:00 -
[81]
I welcome the change, was a surreal feature.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.21 15:06:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Tobiaz
- Return list with inter-NPC standing (shouldn't have to be a big load on the server, hint: these values have not changed much since launch)
- Make showing Faction&Corp standing optional like certificates (crucial for corps with high-sec pos or FW, shame on CCP for not caring)
/signed
I have the feeling a couple of devs have -chars that got tracked by their agent-standing so they smacked it bit the nerfbat.
Those are the changes we need.
I have a feeling you give the devs too much credit. I suspect it was someone who had never used the faction standing sheet thought it was an easy way to get credit for reducing lag.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Zaotome
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Posted - 2011.05.21 15:28:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Tobiaz
- Return list with inter-NPC standing (shouldn't have to be a big load on the server, hint: these values have not changed much since launch)
- Make showing Faction&Corp standing optional like certificates (crucial for corps with high-sec pos or FW, shame on CCP for not caring)
/signed
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Linda Shadowborn
Gallente
Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.21 15:47:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Tobiaz
- Return list with inter-NPC standing (shouldn't have to be a big load on the server, hint: these values have not changed much since launch)
- Make showing Faction&Corp standing optional like certificates (crucial for corps with high-sec pos or FW, shame on CCP for not caring)
/signed
I have the feeling a couple of devs have -chars that got tracked by their agent-standing so they smacked it bit the nerfbat.
pff im a carebear and i want them back. then again i have multiple agents across all four empires anyway :)
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
Shadows of the Empire
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Posted - 2011.05.21 15:50:00 -
[85]
This brilliant change has made recruiting in a faction war corp a complete nightmare.
Good job CCP. You effectively killed FW for good.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
This is really not worthy of a thread.
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Natasha Yi
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Posted - 2011.05.21 20:56:00 -
[86]
Which clueless DEV decided to remove the standings tab? The removal of agent standings is ok, but NOT faction or corp standings!
Fire that DEV immediately! Right NOW!
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Berneh
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.21 21:25:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Alaura Aquila
I want to know why CCP is so silent on this, they must not give a **** and want to sweep this under the rug. This is so ****ing dumb on so many levels.
you should know by now that ccp say nothing for quite a long time when they have ****ed up
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Downtime is now extended to 19:00 for patch file verification. This is a very important step that must be done to make sure clients are being corrupted.
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Jaina Kort
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Posted - 2011.05.27 05:59:00 -
[88]
I just found this topic as I was trying to find agents to run with. I don&t really care about the personal agent standings and the like, but, they should have the faction standings there.
Had a friend saying that he was -4.16 with Gallente and was wondering how to get them up. I suggested SoE as I "thought" they were good with Gallente, and was not too sure if they were actually 0 with Caldari or a slight negative. Checked it out on the net and a few sites report them as 0 and some as a tad negative. oh well.....
This information is really useful. I wish that they would at have alliance and faction standings between each.
Oh well, there goes being helpful to people.....
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CCP Spitfire
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.27 06:03:00 -
[89]
Hello everyone,
Sorry for the delayed response. Unfortunately I cannot provide any specifics at this point, but let's just say that the team working on these changes is aware of the issues. I hope to have some more information for you next week (fingers crossed).
Spitfire
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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Jaina Kort
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Posted - 2011.05.27 06:14:00 -
[90]
Thanks for the update.. looking forward to hearing about it.
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Demolishar
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Posted - 2011.05.27 06:49:00 -
[91]
I think CCP are always right and you shouldn't doubt their ineffable plans. |
Misha M'Liena
Amarr
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.05.27 11:39:00 -
[92]
lolol. Gee lets give the it'll be next week answer and they'll go away. Ummm Excuse me?
We wanted a explanation, not a bug off kid your bothering us.
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Grash Freedom
Gallente
I Maza
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Posted - 2011.05.27 12:27:00 -
[93]
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Hello everyone,
Sorry for the delayed response. Unfortunately I cannot provide any specifics at this point, but let's just say that the team working on these changes is aware of the issues. I hope to have some more information for you next week (fingers crossed).
You speak of issues, although this looks like it was removed by intention, the whole tab is missing.
Also i do not understand how i am supposed to explain to my noob players how standings work without knowing their standings,
i understand that this may not be vital info for someone that shows info on a random guy. but i at least need the info on corp mates, alliance mates, and mates in general
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar
Deviance Cartel
Naraka.
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Posted - 2011.05.27 13:37:00 -
[94]
Given microtransactions coming this is just another sign of CCP going downhill in terms of gameplay and vision.
Truly sad that I can now see the end of my 8 years playing Eve. 4 accounts lost, hope you can make the losses up with your microtransactions.
Bring back being able to check someones standings ffs!
Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken. |
Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.27 13:47:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Grash Freedom
Originally by: CCP Spitfire
Hello everyone,
Sorry for the delayed response. Unfortunately I cannot provide any specifics at this point, but let's just say that the team working on these changes is aware of the issues. I hope to have some more information for you next week (fingers crossed).
You speak of issues, although this looks like it was removed by intention, the whole tab is missing.
Also i do not understand how i am supposed to explain to my noob players how standings work without knowing their standings,
i understand that this may not be vital info for someone that shows info on a random guy. but i at least need the info on corp mates, alliance mates, and mates in general
Hehe, the issues CCP refers to is the rage of the playerbase. The damage done to gameplay is not the issue for them, its only the screaming on the forums. The only context CCP has for working with customer feedback is PR, not actual game development.
The "more information" forthcoming will be something along the lines of, it's not a big deal.
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Hot Sleazy Wench
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Posted - 2011.05.27 14:15:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Aodha Khan
Given microtransactions coming this is just another sign of CCP going downhill in terms of gameplay and vision.
Truly sad that I can now see the end of my 8 years playing Eve. 4 accounts lost, hope you can make the losses up with your microtransactions.
Can I buy Skill Points soon?
Oh can I have yer stuff too???
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Misha M'Liena
Amarr
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Eves Misguided Children
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Posted - 2011.05.29 14:17:00 -
[97]
Have a good sunday all. Just remember that good ole spitfire will be commenting on this soon.
It takes a week? And here i thought it'd be easy to go and ask them. Guess you'd have to leave your office and go to theirs or i dunno use a phone.
Still Misha. Still disgusted.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.05.29 14:26:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Misha M'Liena
Have a good sunday all. Just remember that good ole spitfire will be commenting on this soon.
It takes a week? And here i thought it'd be easy to go and ask them. Guess you'd have to leave your office and go to theirs or i dunno use a phone.
Still Misha. Still disgusted.
Don't want to rain on your parade, well actually I want (if I could)  , but you should try to look up a thread about a starship contest, CCP Spitfire said something like "Infos requested and coming up to this thread as soon as reasonably possible. " and it took him/them only, what was it? 78? days to sort things out. 
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