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Simetraz	Posted - 2011.05.25 15:20:00 - [1] Just a little curious about the whole Bitter Vet canned response. Wouldn't a better response be a Bitter NOOB ? Veteran implies knowledge and hopefully a little wisdom. As a Vet you would think they would know the deal on how the game works, and the company that makes it. When someone rage quits or starts ranting and raving on the forums about how something isn't fair blah blah blah they really are acting like a NOOB. Let alone I think a fair amount of time when this canned response is used you are actually calling a NOOB a Vet which is elevating them unnecessarily. Granted Bitter Vet is a coined term but in most cases it just doesn't apply.
Pesky LaRue Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.25 15:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Pesky LaRue on 25/05/2011 15:22:55 Originally by: Simetraz Just a little curious about the whole Bitter Vet canned response. Wouldn't a better response be a Bitter NOOB ? Veteran implies knowledge and hopefully a little wisdom. As a Vet you would think they would know the deal on how the game works, and the company that makes it. When someone rage quits or starts ranting and raving on the forums about how something isn't fair blah blah blah they really are acting like a NOOB. Let alone I think a fair amount of time when this canned response is used you are actually calling a NOOB a Vet which is elevating them unnecessarily. Granted Bitter Vet is a coined term but in most cases it just doesn't apply. actually, in a lot of cases it does. there are a LOT of crybabies who have played the game for x amount of months/years and then think that because they are bored/jaded/bitter that it's impossible for ANYONE to still be enjoying it and so set out on a posting spree to add "GOD, I HATE THIS GAME, I HATE CCP, I HATE YOU ALL AND MOSTLY, I HATE MYSELF" to every thread. pretty limp really, but that's what people do. edit to add: and, to your point, you may think they act like a noob but that doesn't necessarily change their vet status. .
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.05.25 15:22:00 - [3] Bitter vet here, who is still bitter noob really. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Miso Hawnee	Posted - 2011.05.25 15:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Simetraz Just a little curious about the whole Bitter Vet canned response. Wouldn't a better response be a Bitter NOOB ? Veteran implies knowledge and hopefully a little wisdom. As a Vet you would think they would know the deal on how the game works, and the company that makes it. When someone rage quits or starts ranting and raving on the forums about how something isn't fair blah blah blah they really are acting like a NOOB. Let alone I think a fair amount of time when this canned response is used you are actually calling a NOOB a Vet which is elevating them unnecessarily. Granted Bitter Vet is a coined term but in most cases it just doesn't apply. Most of the 'Bitter Vet' Types are the people who play the full spectrum of the eve-o experience. They are the ones that empire build in nullsec, and put great effort into maintaining large empires and fleets. Eventually this becomes a second job. Along the way CCP may change or break pieces of the empire, or in the worst case... outright cheat with insider info and dev tool item spawns. They are bitter because they have wandered far enough to see the dark side of CCP, something that guys that spend 6 years in empire care bearing rarely see. They are the kind of people that aren't afraid to take risk or speak their minds. Plenty of care bear types are content to sit on their nuts in safety farming ****. That kind of person doesn't have the spine or initiative to break out of the kiddie pool, so they are content sitting there with their floaties on in 3ft of water. Fanbois will be fanbois, and the aggressive cowboys will be as they are. Some people expect greatness, others are content with mediocrity. The personality type that goes out and makes empire and kills thousands along the way, they aren't the type to wait for god in a pasture.
flummox	Posted - 2011.05.25 16:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Miso Hawnee Originally by: Simetraz Just a little curious about the whole Bitter Vet canned response. Wouldn't a better response be a Bitter NOOB ? Veteran implies knowledge and hopefully a little wisdom. As a Vet you would think they would know the deal on how the game works, and the company that makes it. When someone rage quits or starts ranting and raving on the forums about how something isn't fair blah blah blah they really are acting like a NOOB. Let alone I think a fair amount of time when this canned response is used you are actually calling a NOOB a Vet which is elevating them unnecessarily. Granted Bitter Vet is a coined term but in most cases it just doesn't apply. Most of the 'Bitter Vet' Types are the people who play the full spectrum of the eve-o experience. They are the ones that empire build in nullsec, and put great effort into maintaining large empires and fleets. Eventually this becomes a second job. Along the way CCP may change or break pieces of the empire, or in the worst case... outright cheat with insider info and dev tool item spawns. They are bitter because they have wandered far enough to see the dark side of CCP, something that guys that spend 6 years in empire care bearing rarely see. They are the kind of people that aren't afraid to take risk or speak their minds. Plenty of care bear types are content to sit on their nuts in safety farming ****. That kind of person doesn't have the spine or initiative to break out of the kiddie pool, so they are content sitting there with their floaties on in 3ft of water. Fanbois will be fanbois, and the aggressive cowboys will be as they are. Some people expect greatness, others are content with mediocrity. The personality type that goes out and makes empire and kills thousands along the way, they aren't the type to wait for god in a pasture. wow. epic response here! +93... aroo
Adelain Niska Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2011.05.25 19:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Miso Hawnee They are bitter because they have wandered far enough to see the dark side of CCP, something that guys that spend 6 years in empire care bearing rarely see. They are the kind of people that aren't afraid to take risk or speak their minds. Plenty of care bear types are content to sit on their nuts in safety farming ***. That kind of person doesn't have the spine or initiative to break out of the kiddie pool, so they are content sitting there with their floaties on in 3ft of water. Fanbois will be fanbois, and the aggressive cowboys will be as they are. Some people expect greatness, others are content with mediocrity. The personality type that goes out and makes empire and kills thousands along the way, they aren't the type to wait for god in a pasture. What a load of horse poop. They way you describe these 'kind's of people' is laughable. They are just people playing a game just like anyone else*. Not afraid, have spine, greatness? LOL
Ulviirala Vauryndar Gallente Vauryndar Dalharil	Posted - 2011.05.25 19:35:00 - [7] My greatness fuels my hate for you all. Also, my spine is bigger than yours and I don't afraid of anything. "It is our number one priority, so we might start working on it in 18 months." - CCP
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.05.25 19:35:00 - [8] Edited by: Adrian Idaho on 25/05/2011 19:35:29 Originally by: Miso Hawnee Most of the 'Bitter Vet' Types are the people who play the full spectrum of the eve-o experience. They are the ones that empire build in nullsec, and put great effort into maintaining large empires and fleets. Eventually this becomes a second job. Along the way CCP may change or break pieces of the empire, or in the worst case... outright cheat with insider info and dev tool item spawns. They are bitter because they have wandered far enough to see the dark side of CCP, something that guys that spend 6 years in empire care bearing rarely see. They are the kind of people that aren't afraid to take risk or speak their minds. Plenty of care bear types are content to sit on their nuts in safety farming **. That kind of person doesn't have the spine or initiative to break out of the kiddie pool, so they are content sitting there with their floaties on in 3ft of water. Fanbois will be fanbois, and the aggressive cowboys will be as they are. Some people expect greatness, others are content with mediocrity. The personality type that goes out and makes empire and kills thousands along the way, they aren't the type to wait for god in a pasture. LOL, that's just ridiculous! See, this is who you think you are (the guy on the left): This is what you really are: There's a name for your kind: Internet Tough Guy. You don't need balls of steel to *** about CCP.
Opertone Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.	Posted - 2011.05.25 19:37:00 - [9] I find 'bitter vet' to be sarcastic. Guys with eve experience either enjoy the game and play or quit. Game rules change overtime, some changes make players unhappy. Fixes that are meant to balance the game often upset those who enjoy exploits/superiority. Bitter vet is an excuse for whining. Else you get shut up NOOB and HTFU. If you say that you are not a noob, but a vet, your whining still looks funny. 'Bitter vet' - pro forum whiner. Pejorative term. No better than carebear.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.05.25 20:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Adrian Idaho Edited by: Adrian Idaho on 25/05/2011 19:35:29 Originally by: Miso Hawnee Most of the 'Bitter Vet' Types are the people who play the full spectrum of the eve-o experience. They are the ones that empire build in nullsec, and put great effort into maintaining large empires and fleets. Eventually this becomes a second job. Along the way CCP may change or break pieces of the empire, or in the worst case... outright cheat with insider info and dev tool item spawns. They are bitter because they have wandered far enough to see the dark side of CCP, something that guys that spend 6 years in empire care bearing rarely see. They are the kind of people that aren't afraid to take risk or speak their minds. Plenty of care bear types are content to sit on their nuts in safety farming **. That kind of person doesn't have the spine or initiative to break out of the kiddie pool, so they are content sitting there with their floaties on in 3ft of water. Fanbois will be fanbois, and the aggressive cowboys will be as they are. Some people expect greatness, others are content with mediocrity. The personality type that goes out and makes empire and kills thousands along the way, they aren't the type to wait for god in a pasture. LOL, that's just ridiculous! See, this is who you think you are (the guy on the left): This is what you really are: There's a name for your kind: Internet Tough Guy. You don't need balls of steel to * about CCP. I'll race you to 500km covered on your bicycle? :) -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Miso Hawnee	Posted - 2011.05.25 20:07:00 - [11] Some people play full contact sports. Others use flags. Don't get your panties in a bunch because you got called out. You like playing house and having tea parties, that's your thing. What you consider whining is old timers calling out CCP for selling out to the WoW crowd. No different than people calling out Metallica for selling out. Fanboys get all rustled when somebody suggests that their object of worship isn't the hottest ** on the market. Thrash all you want, it won't change anything. Same as bitter vets calling out CCP hasn't changed anything. Does it mean that they should stop posting and let the gold farmer crowd have their shangri-la? I think not. Harden The ** Up. Eve isn't perfect, it's not even close. There are all kinds of gameplay aspects outside of Lonetrek that are seriously broken. Should we all just go run incursions?
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.05.25 20:17:00 - [12] newbies are enthusiastic and adorable. vets are disillusioned and bored.
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.05.25 20:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Miso Hawnee Some people play full contact sports. Others use flags. Don't get your panties in a bunch because you got called out. You like playing house and having tea parties, that's your thing. What you consider whining is old timers calling out CCP for selling out to the WoW crowd. No different than people calling out Metallica for selling out. Fanboys get all rustled when somebody suggests that their object of worship isn't the hottest ** on the market. Thrash all you want, it won't change anything. Same as bitter vets calling out CCP hasn't changed anything. Does it mean that they should stop posting and let the gold farmer crowd have their shangri-la? I think not. Harden The Up. Eve isn't perfect, it's not even close. There are all kinds of gameplay aspects outside of Lonetrek that are seriously broken. Should we all just go run incursions? Whoosh! You completely missed the point of my post. I'm not defending CCP. Whining about broken game mechanics or living in 0.0 doesn't make you a tough mother**er, even if you think it does.
Miso Hawnee	Posted - 2011.05.25 20:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Adrian Idaho Whoosh! You completely missed the point of my post. I'm not defending CCP. Whining about broken game mechanics or living in 0.0 doesn't make you a tough mother****er, even if you think it does. Never really claimed to be tough. Ultra-violent, sure. Show me on the doll where the bitter-vets hurt you. And, why so serious? Some people enjoy risk. The adrenaline rush is what makes this game worth playing for a lot of players. Tough, weak, they all die the same.
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:39:00 - [15] Edited by: Adrian Idaho on 25/05/2011 21:39:42 Originally by: Miso Hawnee Originally by: Adrian Idaho Whoosh! You completely missed the point of my post. I'm not defending CCP. Whining about broken game mechanics or living in 0.0 doesn't make you a tough mother***er, even if you think it does. Never really claimed to be tough. Okay, maybe I should have been more specific. I was refering to the following sentence: "They are the kind of people that aren't afraid to take risk or speak their minds."* Originally by: Miso Hawnee Show me on the doll where the bitter-vets hurt you. I will, but remember: What has been seen...
Hesperius	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Simetraz Veteran implies knowledge and hopefully a little wisdom. As a Vet you would think they would know the deal on how the game works, and the company that makes it. You are about 1/2 to understanding it. The term is because people who have a full grasp of the situation realize whats going on & it makes them bitter. Can you give an example of where it was used incorrectly?
Barbens New Eden Industrial Services	Posted - 2011.05.25 21:48:00 - [17] If you were old enough to remember Vexors, Dominix's etc. with 15 drones, you'd be bitter too... Barbs
Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:04:00 - [18] I have played about 3 years, love and hate it. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:05:00 - [19] I think Im a bit responsible. People kept calling me "noob" in response to my criticism and ***ing. I kept insulting them for being the real noobs and I had a point. Eventually the self appointed forum guardians started calling me bitter vet. Wherever you went - Here you are.**
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:41:00 - [20] I do find it interesting that the term "bitter vet" seems only to apply to this game in particular. I googled it thinking that perhaps other mmos used this term. Nope just eve. I think the question is why was this term coined for this game in particular. What is it about eve that would lead to so many people getting tired of it that this term would get coined? I gave my answer in the fw thread. You know the thread about ccp missing the fw roundtable. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Miso Hawnee What you consider whining is old timers calling out CCP for selling out to the WoW crowd. No different than people calling out Metallica for selling out. Who said Metallica sold out!? Why I oughttaa.... ~Gnosis~
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:47:00 - [22] Originally by: Cearain I think the question is why was this term coined for this game in particular. What is it about eve that would lead to so many people getting tired of it that this term would get coined? It's about the passion man...it burns when it glows to bright... ~Gnosis~
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.05.25 22:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Cearain I do find it interesting that the term "bitter vet" seems only to apply to this game in particular. I googled it thinking that perhaps other mmos used this term. Nope just eve. I think the question is why was this term coined for this game in particular. What is it about eve that would lead to so many people getting tired of it that this term would get coined? I gave my answer in the fw thread. You know the thread about ccp missing the fw roundtable. But if you look at where the term is used its ussually not used for som long time guy who wants to quit. Its used for a long time player who is either upset and wants a change(or a a change reverted) or a long time vet who is snarky and unpleasant. Wherever you went - Here you are.
TravisWB	Posted - 2011.05.25 23:24:00 - [24] Bitter vet tears. It is a game age factor. Think wine turning into vinegar. Noobs are fresh, so they just shed the tears of the easily spoiled. They are more like fresh eggs that get dropped.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.05.25 23:25:00 - [25] Originally by: Simetraz Just a little curious about the whole Bitter Vet canned response. Wouldn't a better response be a Bitter NOOB ? Veteran implies knowledge and hopefully a little wisdom. As a Vet you would think they would know the deal on how the game works, and the company that makes it. I consider myself to be something of a bitter vet, so I'll throw in my 2 cents: First off, knowledge of how the game/CCP works is pretty much a pre-requisite for being a bittervet. you can't hate the changes CCP makes if you're not familiar with the mechanic being changed beforehand. As far as dealing with how the game works, the ones complaining already know how to do that, or they wouldn't be here. The problem is that the longer you're here, and the more you learn about the game and how it works, the more absurd some of CCPs screw-ups seem to be. As a newer player, you don't CARE if CCP released a new ship 2 years ago and nobody uses it to this day because it came out pre-nerfed. You don't care if CCP goes off an makes 90% of nullsec worse for isk making than highsec, or nerfs JB networks (this change I agree with actually, but I can understand how people who spent weeks/months setting the networks up would be ****ed), or goes and nerfs ship X that takes several months to train for. As a vet, when CCP nerfs something, it's often something you spent months training for, or weeks working on, or maybe it's just the thing you enjoy doing that they felt like nerfing/ruining, and after a few such incidents you start to really hate CCP as a company, even if you still enjoy playing the game. The biggest driving force behind this is the fact that CCP is extremely lazy when it comes to balancing issues, opting to rebalance things once a year or so, and doing so with a sledgehammer rather than attempting smaller, more frequent changes. I bought SC2 when it came out a while ago (never having played the first) and my jaw dropped at how well blizzard handles that game's balancing. The games patch notes are littered with things like "changed build time of x from 90 to 120 seconds" or "increased damage of unit x vs armor by 1", and the thing that really impressed me was someone linking the SC equivalent of a killboard for the head balancing guy for blizzard, and he had something like 10k games played as a random race. I think my personal last straw was me coming to the realization that out of the petitions I had submitted over the last few years, maybe 1 or 2 of them didn't need to be escalated (reset bugged mission pl0x), because regular GMs are so terrible I literally would not go out pvping with them were they someone I was in a corp/alliance with, because their game knowledge is just that bad. That and the changes to highsec capital rules (which were done purely for reasons of laziness and incompetence). Had CCP not released incursions my subscription would have run out about a month ago and I'd not be here now You can argue about how whining never changes anything, but whining has been the driving force behind just about every major change to this game for as long as I can remember, including reverting a few planned changes because of their threadnoughts (1 or 2 of the carrier nerfs and the diemost changes come to mind, though I'm sure there's others). People whine because they want things to change(or sometimes because they don't) and CCP tends to make changes based on that (not all, but most, especially wrt balancing issues)
Envoy Achates	Posted - 2011.05.25 23:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Ghoest I think Im a bit responsible. Once again you totally overestimate your own importance. The term wasn't coined for you. You're just another idiotic poster, really nothing special (no matter what you want to believe). You could stop posting today and there wouldn't be a single post asking where you went. You should try it, see if you prove me wrong.
Ghoest	Posted - 2011.05.26 00:21:00 - [27] Originally by: Envoy Achates Originally by: Ghoest I think Im a bit responsible. Once again you totally overestimate your own importance. The term wasn't coined for you. You're just another idiotic poster, really nothing special (no matter what you want to believe). You could stop posting today and there wouldn't be a single post asking where you went. You should try it, see if you prove me wrong. Ive stopped posting many times. The forum is always here anxiously awaiting me when I return. Wherever you went - Here you are.
ModeratedToSilence	Posted - 2011.05.26 00:28:00 - [28] I think you should post some more threads regarding the make up of memes used on an internet forum regarding spaceships. This one is of a particular quality.
Rykuss	Posted - 2011.05.26 00:48:00 - [29] Originally by: Barbens If you were old enough to remember Vexors, Dominix's etc. with 15 drones, you'd be bitter too... Barbs Yeah, rails being what they are, I'd like my goddamn drones back. /bitter
Nypheas Azurai	Posted - 2011.05.26 01:20:00 - [30] Originally by: Miso Hawnee Most of the 'Bitter Vet' Types are the people who play the full spectrum of the eve-o experience. They are the ones that empire build in nullsec, and put great effort into maintaining large empires and fleets. Eventually this becomes a second job. Along the way CCP may change or break pieces of the empire, or in the worst case... outright cheat with insider info and dev tool item spawns. They are bitter because they have wandered far enough to see the dark side of CCP, something that guys that spend 6 years in empire care bearing rarely see. They are the kind of people that aren't afraid to take risk or speak their minds. Plenty of care bear types are content to sit on their nuts in safety farming ****. That kind of person doesn't have the spine or initiative to break out of the kiddie pool, so they are content sitting there with their floaties on in 3ft of water. Fanbois will be fanbois, and the aggressive cowboys will be as they are. Some people expect greatness, others are content with mediocrity. The personality type that goes out and makes empire and kills thousands along the way, they aren't the type to wait for god in a pasture. Oh just please put a sock in it you giant egomaniacal tool. Anyone can be "bitter vet", it has nothing to do with a certain play style (care/null-bearing) and everything to do with a jaded mentality towards the game & CCP. /vitter bet --------------------

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