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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
It is, however they are also allowed to poke fun at themselves about it. To believe they view it as a badge of honor is Trollthink at its best.
True dat. Got no problems with the video they did of throwing the guy of the roof (even made my laugh) but... yeah.
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voiddragon
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Originally by: Ranger 1
It is, however they are also allowed to poke fun at themselves about it. To believe they view it as a badge of honor is Trollthink at its best.
True dat. Got no problems with the video they did of throwing the guy of the roof (even made my laugh) but... yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXRFJ2ar_E
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Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: voiddragon
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Originally by: Ranger 1
It is, however they are also allowed to poke fun at themselves about it. To believe they view it as a badge of honor is Trollthink at its best.
True dat. Got no problems with the video they did of throwing the guy of the roof (even made my laugh) but... yeah.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msXRFJ2ar_E
Nice. No, I'm not bookmarking it.... why do you ask *supicious look*
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.01 02:47:00 -
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OP obviously has never programmed anything sophisticated.
Discoverer of the Original Missile Damage Formula |
Jefferson H Clay
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK OP obviously has never programmed anything sophisticated.
You pulled WHAT from WHERE?!!? ARE YOU SEVEN SHADES OF STUPID! DO NOT PUSH THAT BACK! *watches CVS tree explode*
Does the OP want to program anything complex and sophisticated? That's the question. :D
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Zverofaust
Gallente Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.01 03:29:00 -
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Edited by: Zverofaust on 01/06/2011 03:30:10
Originally by: Calathea Sata Have you not seen what have been happening? Have you not noticed the bugs and small broken stuff are easily avoidable if CCP actually have had a proper QA? Don't you not have the impression of CCP acting like a 3-man studio when in fact they should have grown up to a much bigger and more competent company? Why is CCP refusing to grow up? Where is our money going into? Our times invested, our blood and tears, for the sake of a better EVE, why is it not showing any light? Why is the incompetence not fading away? Why, do we still expect CCP to grow more and more bugs everytime, but without making a noise about it? Why, why is it a stalemate?
You are just fantastic levels of ******ation. I can just imagine legions of people like you who sit at their desks in a constant never-ending state of overwhelming anger, white knuckles ready to explode onto your keyboards the moment a patch hits or something goes wrong so you can **** up the forums with your nerdrage.
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Angel of Night
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Posted - 2011.06.01 04:15:00 -
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Waitress! There is sewer rat in my IPhone and my IPhone is in my soup. |
Atreus Venom
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Posted - 2011.06.01 05:40:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon wait did someone just say that one player games don't have bugs?
as apast game tester at nintendo, every game I ever tested had huge bugs that just were hard to find. Just go online and yotube search for bugs in modern games.
modern warfare
sonic
mass effect 2
mario galaxy
dirt 2 software related bug
mirrors edge
even wow
Is there is no major outcry because it's it's how it has always been and how it always will be.
yeah hard to find would be understandable but as a tester for a game lets use mario for instance... would you miss something like when u press the jump button he crouched or you press right on the d-pad and mario starts running left.. i would hope not.. then why when i stop my ship and then press max speed my ship turns around and goes backwards... thats not small thats moderate sized bug
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.01 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: MotherMoon wait did someone just say that one player games don't have bugs?
as apast game tester at nintendo, every game I ever tested had huge bugs that just were hard to find. Just go online and yotube search for bugs in modern games.
modern warfare
sonic
mass effect 2
mario galaxy
dirt 2 software related bug
mirrors edge
even wow
Is there is no major outcry because it's it's how it has always been and how it always will be.
yeah hard to find would be understandable but as a tester for a game lets use mario for instance... would you miss something like when u press the jump button he crouched or you press right on the d-pad and mario starts running left.. i would hope not.. then why when i stop my ship and then press max speed my ship turns around and goes backwards... thats not small thats moderate sized bug
But a dev already commented on how to fix this. clear the cache, it's your computer doing that.
But yes I see your point, and raise that all the games I posted go through 6 months of testing. And yet still have bugs. Do you want eve expansions and pathes to wait 6 months for testing? for stuff that will be uaght faster with release? all eve patches go through 3-4 weeks of testing by QA. they miss stuff, but normally nothing too big. eve has had it's goof ups though lol boot.ini
but in the end I would rather no wait 6 months for something I know is done and working.
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Atreus Venom
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Posted - 2011.06.01 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Atreus Venom
Originally by: MotherMoon wait did someone just say that one player games don't have bugs?
as apast game tester at nintendo, every game I ever tested had huge bugs that just were hard to find. Just go online and yotube search for bugs in modern games.
modern warfare
sonic
mass effect 2
mario galaxy
dirt 2 software related bug
mirrors edge
even wow
Is there is no major outcry because it's it's how it has always been and how it always will be.
yeah hard to find would be understandable but as a tester for a game lets use mario for instance... would you miss something like when u press the jump button he crouched or you press right on the d-pad and mario starts running left.. i would hope not.. then why when i stop my ship and then press max speed my ship turns around and goes backwards... thats not small thats moderate sized bug
But a dev already commented on how to fix this. clear the cache, it's your computer doing that.
But yes I see your point, and raise that all the games I posted go through 6 months of testing. And yet still have bugs. Do you want eve expansions and pathes to wait 6 months for testing? for stuff that will be uaght faster with release? all eve patches go through 3-4 weeks of testing by QA. they miss stuff, but normally nothing too big. eve has had it's goof ups though lol boot.ini
but in the end I would rather no wait 6 months for something I know is done and working.
i understand that and honestly these bugs didnt surprise me and thanks for the update3 on that fix.... but with the release date for incarna im sure they are scrambling to get everything ready.. plus the added pressure of problems found after this patch release and with the pixel shadeing and everything they are working with i think they are alright
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Lidia Prince
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.01 07:05:00 -
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Calathea, get on a treadmill and learn to troll. Your latest threads are fatter than ever.
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.01 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 No testing environment will ever accurately simulate what can go wrong when code is introduced to software that has 50k people interacting with it and each other (in extremely complex and unpredictable ways) in real time.
(Obligatory disclaimer: I am in no way related to software development or QA, and writing a "Hello world" program in C++ back in high school was the pinnacle of my programming career.)
I believe the quote above sums the situation up pretty accurately. Speaking specifically of Incursion 1.6, this patch pretty much involved introducing a whole new user interface framework into EVE (there is a dev blog for those interested in more details). It involved doing a lot of quite complex work (some of you might remember this dev blog on UI corification from last year), and touching a lot of code.
But all this work allows for some pretty cool things. Some of them are coming in Incarna (the new UI in Captain's Quarters), others will be introduced in the future.
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tla s'hpyt
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Posted - 2011.06.01 08:16:00 -
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http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2273/nobugs.jpg Image changed to a link. Spitfire
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coolzero
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.01 08:22:00 -
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some people are such "know it all's)
if you feel you can do a better job feel free to look here
work for CCP
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Myfanwy Heimdal
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Posted - 2011.06.01 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: JackStraw56 The code I write always compiles without errors on the first try and never has any bugs at all. I don't know what CCP's problem is
Mine too. If I just restrict it to displaying "Hello, World."
The trouble is that when one writes something a little more complicated then bugs appear. I'm about to go and fix one of my howlers which has been reported by a client this morning.
Bugs sadly happen. No matter how much work has gone into trapping and zapping them they always appear. I've been hacking code for over thirty years and I haven't met anyone who can write bug free applications and I know some pretty damn fine developers.
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Commandante Caldari
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Commandante Caldari on 01/06/2011 09:33:09
Originally by: Calathea Sata Have you not seen what have been happening? Have you not noticed the bugs and small broken stuff are easily avoidable if CCP actually have had a proper QA? Don't you not have the impression of CCP acting like a 3-man studio when in fact they should have grown up to a much bigger and more competent company? Why is CCP refusing to grow up? Where is our money going into? Our times invested, our blood and tears, for the sake of a better EVE, why is it not showing any light? Why is the incompetence not fading away? Why, do we still expect CCP to grow more and more bugs everytime, but without making a noise about it? Why, why is it a stalemate?
First: you need to work on your style of writing - probably drop a game like EVE if you believe that you are the big money paying unsatisfied and frustrated customer (or just a young smart*ss without life experience yet - but there is hope, believe me) - and do some research about A) software development B) what it means to run a huge corp like CCP, paying bills, salaries... I will not go into the details. They would be too boring for you. I am just sure that guys like you would be totally overstrained if professionals like me who run a RL corp with 20 employees for over 10 years just try to explain 10% of such a business. Let me just tell you: it's a huge task and it's impressive what CCP delivers.
Second: the DL of the patch took 4 minutes here, the installation 10 minutes and it looks fine so far. There are some glitches or call them bugs. I don't care because the game is huge, complex and most important: running on thousands different computers. Different hardware, gfx, drivers, different OS and important: different messed up PC's. Everyone who works with computers for a long time is aware that a PC is not a PC. Even the same setup is not the same depending on what you install, what you update or what kind of tools you use to frakk up your system or registry. Whatever. It's a huge task to deliever a piece of state of the art game like EVE what runs perfectly on ALL systems. It's nearly impossible, even with a test server because the ppl there are not 100% representing the community. Some are too lazy to report bugs. Some just use it for Arcade gaming. Some try to support CCP. Whatever. It is normal - I repeat: NORMAL - that a new release isn't perfect. Some ppl have crashes, strange bugs, some whine, some yell, some are just stupid kids, some understand, some - like me - just keep on playing because the game isn't broken (to me). I learned especially by EVE: A) patience (CCP will fix it) B) Patience (CCP will hopefully fix old stuff) C) Patience (CCP will probably change things - but I don't care) D) I will not whine, complain, rage, emo... because I simply adapt to changes even if they are painful E) CCP is looking forward and the game is getting better and best of all: it's all for free and not for extra money. OMG, just imagine the HATE if CCP would dare to charge for a big update most of the whiners don't want to have because they pay for their right to patronise CCP and call them a bunch of loosers.
(need a break because I had a hysterical laughter)
I just can recommend to everyone like the OP - and we have too many in this game: calm down, get knowledge first before you post and most important: learn to understand how business like CCP works and you will be more relaxed, happy and finally: blessed by wisdom. PRICELESS!
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GKO
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: GKO on 01/06/2011 09:46:48 I hereby confirm that it was nearly impossible to see all that bugs in the patch. Take for example the capacitor and its problem with light, I only managed to notice it after logging in.
Thanks QA department for the great work.
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Misunderstood Genius
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Misunderstood Genius on 01/06/2011 09:52:36
Originally by: coolzero some people are such "know it all's)
if you feel you can do a better job feel free to look here
work for CCP
Yeah, probably he can make it to a CEO position and we all will have the outstanding, bug-free, blob-fixed , ECM-fixed, afk-cloaking EVE for 0,00 bucks per months. Can't wait to see this soon (TM).
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Prince Spiderman
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: GKO Edited by: GKO on 01/06/2011 09:46:48 I hereby confirm that it was nearly impossible to see all that bugs in the patch. Take for example the capacitor and its problem with light, I only managed to notice it after logging in.
Thanks QA department for the great work.
Who cares about the capacitor?
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Myfanwy Heimdal
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:59:00 -
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To be honest I have no problems here with the Capacitor display at all. Perhaps it's just me.
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Walextheone
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata Have you not seen what have been happening? Have you not noticed the bugs and small broken stuff are easily avoidable if CCP actually have had a proper QA? Don't you not have the impression of CCP acting like a 3-man studio when in fact they should have grown up to a much bigger and more competent company? Why is CCP refusing to grow up? Where is our money going into? Our times invested, our blood and tears, for the sake of a better EVE, why is it not showing any light? Why is the incompetence not fading away? Why, do we still expect CCP to grow more and more bugs everytime, but without making a noise about it? Why, why is it a stalemate?
You are so fracking stupid I want to shoot you in the head. Seriously, you must be an incredible ignorant whiner to make a post like this.
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CCP Guard
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Posted - 2011.06.01 10:17:00 -
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Knowing how big the underlying changes were and how much dedication and work the QA guys upstairs put into making the patch as pain free as possible for you guys, I just want to say how uplifting it is to see so many of you make an effort to put things into perspective. Like everything else in the EVE universe it means the most when coming from you.
-CCP Guard
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.01 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Calathea Sata Exactly, why do we the players have to beta test your game EVERYTIME a patch comes out? Or more precisely why isn't EVE out of beta? Why is everything so basic frameworky and without elaboration? EVE can be a good game but why ISN'T IT?
Wow, your stupidity hurts.
Language 1o1.
It's a good game. (oppinion) Bugs don't make games bad. (fact) They make them buggy. (fact)
Now get pregnant or something.
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Hermosa Diosas
Ministry Of Mining And Industry
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Posted - 2011.06.01 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Walextheone
Originally by: Calathea Sata Have you not seen what have been happening? Have you not noticed the bugs and small broken stuff are easily avoidable if CCP actually have had a proper QA? Don't you not have the impression of CCP acting like a 3-man studio when in fact they should have grown up to a much bigger and more competent company? Why is CCP refusing to grow up? Where is our money going into? Our times invested, our blood and tears, for the sake of a better EVE, why is it not showing any light? Why is the incompetence not fading away? Why, do we still expect CCP to grow more and more bugs everytime, but without making a noise about it? Why, why is it a stalemate?
You are so fracking stupid I want to shoot you in the head. Seriously, you must be an incredible ignorant whiner to make a post like this.
I guess you have no idea how full life cycle development works then? I guess you have worked within a QA team then and fully aware of what software testing is and involves? and what the outcomes are? I assume you know what regression testing is? and hows it supposed to identify when new code affects existing functionality. I guess your a QA Manager with years of experience to make a statement like this?
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.01 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Guard Knowing how big the underlying changes were and how much dedication and work the QA guys upstairs put into making the patch as pain free as possible for you guys, I just want to say how uplifting it is to see so many of you make an effort to put things into perspective. Like everything else in the EVE universe it means the most when coming from you.
-CCP Guard
We love you guys. In some non-homosexual way. Just keep up the work. You're doing good.
People just forget that it's NOT self evident to be here.
I believe they should be reminded of that ... ban 'em hard and teach 'em a lesson. That will stop the whining, if it's just done harsh enough.
Thx. ^^ *hugs* <3
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Ayame Yubari
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:02:00 -
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What's funny is that you can go to any game or MMO forum and you will read the exact same allegations. Go to the WoW forum with Blizzard being one of the most professional developers known to men and even there you will read the same stuff - how incapable the devs are, how there are way too many bugs and so on and so forth.
You have to realize that software development itself is very, very hard and bugs are inevitable. Furthermore, game development (especially for complex games like EVE) is probably the most complicated field a developer can choose, next to maybe scientific software or such. Game development often means achieving the impossible. It's often a miracle this stuff works at all.
So stop worrying about bugs, help CCP with the debugging by proper bug reporting, and be glad that the game is working pretty well most of the time.
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Headerman
Minmatar Element 115. Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:06:00 -
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OP has obviously never played a game made by EA.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Spitfire
It involved doing a lot of quite complex work
But all this work allows for some pretty cool things.
Uh, yeah, see that's great. We're actually excited that the UI might be getting re-thought. Unfortunately, there's not much of the game that isn't bugged right now with the release of 1.6. So, what? Did you guys not see any bugs when you tested or did you just not test? Wait, what am I doing? Of course you didn't test it. Hell, you probably saw the bugs and pushed it out the door anyway. Am I right?
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tigerchips
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman OP has obviously never played a game made by EA.
Confirmed.
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Cosmoes
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.01 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cosmoes on 01/06/2011 11:31:57
Originally by: Solstice Project
Bugs don't make games bad. (fact)
Well yes and no. Having bugs doesn't make it bad. But the more bugs they have the worse it is. And in that regard eve has a lot of bugs.
And yes I am in software development and any code I write has bugs, lots of them, sometimes more than CCP.
But CCP has a LOT of bugs, even compared to other games. They are putting in some effort but quite frankly that effort isn't half of what it should be.
Lets take an example that won't cause too much forum rage Chat channels (not local):
You know how when you have time stamp the text tends to bleed past the line it should and merge with the next line of chat or just get cut off? How long has this bug been around?
How about the blinking chat channels that we get, they could be anything from 30 man fleet is about to jump you or some guy is making a **** joke in the intel channel. We have to keep constantly clicking back between channels to check these sort of things. Most other MMO's don't have this problem because you can receive more than 1 chat channels input in 1 box, why can't we set up a channel window to do this? Our chat system does a lot of things other MMOs don't do but it's got some flaws that the others don't which could be fixed if they put in some effort.
I'm sure there's some technical reason why it is a massive pain to fix/implement. I'm also sure someone will say this is low priority and they will get around to eventually.
But CCP have rebuilt facebook specifically for eve, rebuilt teamspeak specifically for eve as well as various other smaller things (calender, etc.) all to help us communicate better. Yet our basic communication method still has bugs and flaws.
CCP just aren't very good at refining or making quality content. They can make very high tech and cutting edge content. But there are differences between that and high quality, well refined content. ------------------- piccy |
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