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Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:10:00 - [1] Hello eveybody. I have a beautiful osprey and a nice Indy ship. My osprey cargo sucks so I was told to get a jet can. Well I just want someone to explain a few thjings about them. A: Ae they mobile. B: are they secure. C: How much do they cost. D: is it worth it to get one. E: whats their cargo capasity. Thanks - Billy
Elixier	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:13:00 - [2] Hi Billy, a Jetcan is what is made when you Jettison cargo into space. When mining, Jet the ore and open the can that is made. Then when your lasers pull more ore in you just transfer it into the can. when you have filled the can up (it has 27k M3 cap) you dock to get your Badger and haul the ore in. Elixier's Kills
Firebyrd	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:15:00 - [3] A jet can is what u get when u JET-ison something from ur ships cargo, doesnt cost anything, ARE not secure, and holds 27500 M3, if u dont rename it after Jetisoning it will disapear after bout 60+ min, Naming it makes it last 120+ min...... ----------------------------------------------- In the End , there can be only 1 Today we celebrate, for tomorrow we die learn from yesterday, that u may be stronger tomorrow May the force be with us all
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:15:00 - [4] mine with a weapon (mining laser) heavy ship then chagne ships and retrieve with a cargo (more cargo capable ship) saves time and maximises yield if you work as a pair one huals and does some inbetween mining while the other purley mines
Andrue	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:18:00 - [5] And be aware that by design (somewhat after the fact but it's part of the design now) other players can take from the can without consequence. It's called ore theft and has been the subject of way too many threads here. Basically the game considers anything you jettison to be unwanted garbage and anyone can pick it up. It's particularly worth nothing that the only way to ruin your reputation more than being a scum-sucking ore thief is to start a thread on the subject on these forums -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:18:00 - [6] Well how much does it cost and is it worth it or should I just get 2 level 2 cargo expanders for my osprey? (it has 3 level 3 miners)Becuase it is showing for 152k for just 1 giant container with only 3000 capatisy. Well my osprey with 2 level 2's could probably hit half of that. And I dont have any battle ships so what happenes if the system my cargo container is in gets hit by raiders? Well thx for the help.
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:18:00 - [7] Edited by: Nyphur on 15/02/2005 13:18:20 A jet can is a jettisoned cargo container. You jettison your ore and it floats there in a little free can with a huge internal space. You can fill that thing up (it holds about 27500m3 space) and then use your industrial to collect it, the result being that you get more ore in a smaller time and thus mine faster than mining in your osprey and docking to unload ore. They aren't mobile. They float there on the same spot until removed. They are insecure. Anyone can come along and steal your ore, so mine somewhere quiet and make friends with the locals. Leave if there are ore theives about. They are free, created by your ship from scrap metal or something. Just jettison your ore and it goes out in one fo those cans. You then can't release another can for the next 2-3 minutes. But they only last for an hour or so at most, then they jsut implode and you lose everything in them. The trick to it is naming the can with the time you jettisoned it and when it gets to about 50 minutes, make another can beide it and open them both, then drag the ore from the first can into the second can. This is called refreshing the can. Jet can mining is best done with buddies in low security areas with few people, the bonus being that they have better ore in lower security areas, too. Be careful if going into lower security areas, though, as there are nasty fellows about. Insure that ship and have a few million in the bank to replace it, just in case. EDIT: EFB. Loads of people got there before me, but I think my post is still worth reading :P.
Andrue	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Billy Lajambe Well how much does it cost and is it worth it or should I just get 2 level 2 cargo expanders for my osprey? (it has 3 level 3 miners)Becuase it is showing for 152k for just 1 giant container with only 3000 capatisy. Well my osprey with 2 level 2's could probably hit half of that. And I dont have any battle ships so what happenes if the system my cargo container is in gets hit by raiders? Well thx for the help. Jet cans are free. Just right click the item in your hold and select 'Jettison'. Containers are something else entirely and a lot less useful (but they do stop ore scum-sucking ore thieves. BTW:Have I mentioned that thieves are scum-sucking recently? Not that I've ever been a victim but still. They are scum-sucking. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Shady Killer	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:21:00 - [9] Edited by: Shady Killer on 15/02/2005 13:20:46 Billy please read the post properly. The Jetcan is made when you jettison cargo (right-click the ore and then "Jettison"). Oops posted with wrong char - Elixier
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:22:00 - [10] Well Ill just stick to the cargo expanders but i think we all missed the subject. Maby my title was missleading lol cause i knoe i ment Giant Can lol. Here is a link to what I mean. http://www.eve-db.com/database/?PHPSESSID=6baab2aeba6f15ab3ffa1fa93ee5cc02 sorry lol - billy
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:22:00 - [11] technically ore theft is a part of the game and possible - guess its the risk of having the jet cans versus secure cans that i presume cant collect floating ores ? Perhaps an intermediate solution would be allowing hte player to deply some combat drones to protect it for a short time while you travel between stations ? Or longer term jet cans tha can last up to 2 hours ? Gotta be careful though not to flame anyone else up so just take my contributions with a discussion approach only in mind.
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:23:00 - [12] whoever hsa been a victim should try it out sometiems at least then you see both sides of the coin. But finding a quite zone or doing mining in pairs (gang feature) could also be helpful ie while one leaves for the station another one can stand guard ? A possible defensive strategy
Elixier	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:24:00 - [13] Originally by: ollobrains technically ore theft is a part of the game and possible - guess its the risk of having the jet cans versus secure cans that i presume cant collect floating ores ? Perhaps an intermediate solution would be allowing hte player to deply some combat drones to protect it for a short time while you travel between stations ? Or longer term jet cans tha can last up to 2 hours ? Gotta be careful though not to flame anyone else up so just take my contributions with a discussion approach only in mind. Using a Jetcan for mining wasn't really what the Devs wanted them to be used for. So in doing so, you run the risk of it being stolen so no defense precautions will be added apart from the secure cans. Elixier's Kills
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:25:00 - [14] we have really gone of topic I ment having a giant container VS 2 level 2 cargo expanders. lol i screwed up though
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:25:00 - [15] Edited by: Billy Lajambe on 15/02/2005 13:25:29
Carinae	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:25:00 - [16] You dont have to purchase 'Jet cans' they are created each time you jettison somthing from your ships cargo hold. There is a delay of 10 mins or so if you want to have two or more, but once an item is jettisoned, you can drop and drag more items into it. They are not something you buy, they are easily destroyed and not secure by any standards. Right click on the can you have jettisoned and change the name, this enables it to last longer (2 hrs) before it self destructs. Warrior of the Ushra'Khan Death to slavery
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:26:00 - [17] Jetcans are higher risk if you mine in a popular system due to thieves, but save you time. Risk = reward. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:27:00 - [18] Edited by: Billy Lajambe on 15/02/2005 13:28:38 Is someone reading my posts. I didnt mean JET CAN i mebnt GIANT CONTAINER VS 2 CARGO EXPANDERS. -oops lol more post after but still i have decided on 2 cargo expanders lol i am sorry
Elixier	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:27:00 - [19] Edited by: Elixier on 15/02/2005 13:29:36 N/m, the Giant Secure Container only uses 3k m3... I've never used one before because they don't hold much ore copared to a jet-can. Elixier's Kills
MinorFreak	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:27:00 - [20] Edited by: MinorFreak on 15/02/2005 13:32:27 OKAY, DISCLAIMER: When they say "unsecure" that doesn't mean you can buy a 'secure cargo container' and have the password work in high security systems (>0.7) Jetcans, Standard cans, and Secure cans are all vulnerable to the 'waste-removal-specialist' Best you mine in 0.9 systems and avoid the places where griefer ore thieves go to harrass lazy carebear miners in Yulai and other high trafficked 1.0 systems. As for that "risk/reward" mantra, let me put it this way: that's BS. Lazy people don't bother about cost effectiveness. they're just LAZY. ______________________ Best darned links ingame and out (backup)
Andrue	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:31:00 - [21] Originally by: Billy Lajambe Edited by: Billy Lajambe on 15/02/2005 13:28:38 Is someone reading my posts. I didnt mean JET CAN i mebnt GIANT CONTAINER VS 2 CARGO EXPANDERS. -oops lol more post after but still i have decided on 2 cargo expanders lol i am sorry That's okay. BTW:Did I mention scum-sucking ore thieves yet? -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Elixier	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Billy Lajambe Edited by: Billy Lajambe on 15/02/2005 13:28:38 Is someone reading my posts. I didnt mean JET CAN i mebnt GIANT CONTAINER VS 2 CARGO EXPANDERS. -oops lol more post after but still i have decided on 2 cargo expanders lol i am sorry What do you mean by 2 Cargo expanders? You are going to fill your Osprey up then take the ore back to base? - You won't get anywhere doing that =D Elixier's Kills
Lufio II	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:31:00 - [23] First: grats on your Osprey, seems like you're ready to go ;) now to your question: What Jetcans are and how jetcan mining works has beendescribed in detail already. Those jettisoned Cans your ship creates are fre and have a cargo space of 27m¦, are totally insecure in the means that anyone has access and can take out of them as well as imploding after a while (beeing more than one hour old). An alternative are so called secure containers. They are available in different sizes from small to giant, with small having a space of mere 120m¦ and giant ones having space of 3900m¦. Their advantage is that you can anchor them in space. Once they are anchored, they will stay there forever until they are unanchored and scooped back up. When they're anchored, you can also password protect them, to counter unauthorized access. I don't have the costs for those in mind but a giant can was about 300k when I remember well. They are available from many different Stations, just do a region for secure Container and you should find them. The major disadvantage of secure containers is that they're a bit of a hassle to work with. You can only anchor them if an area of 5km around the container is free of large objects or other secure cans. You can only anchor them in space with a security rating below 0.8 as well.
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:33:00 - [24] LOL i mine in .5 but is it worth a giant can or just dock my osprey which will have about 800m3 in cargo when done out fitting and unload?
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Billy Lajambe Edited by: Billy Lajambe on 15/02/2005 13:28:38 BTW:Did I mention scum-sucking ore thieves yet? No i dont think so, why what about them? JKJK lol
Elixier	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:35:00 - [26] Billy, use a Jet-can mate. Seriously. Elixier's Kills
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:37:00 - [27] But i mine in .5 with lots of people and I dont really want to go far. No I have no m8's in an indy to pick uop for me. I just wouldent feel confortable elaving like 1 hours worth of work in space lol. I will equip my osprey with cargo expander untill I cant afford 600 k for a couple of secure containers in me 3 fav belts then i cant pik up with me indy.
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:38:00 - [28] Ill just go fill both containert up then pi up like 2 mil with me indy iounds fun :P
Elixier	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:39:00 - [29] It's not very likely that someone will steal your ore in .5, but it's upto you i guess. Goodluck Elixier's Kills
Lufio II	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:40:00 - [30] read my post Billy, and decide yourself if Giant Secure Containers are worth it for you. I personally prefer jetcan mining, but that's mostly because a big barge fills giant containers in little more than one cycle^^
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:43:00 - [31] Edited by: Billy Lajambe on 15/02/2005 13:43:19 I agree but i still cant be arsed to fix my cants every 50 mins and worry about them beign robbes and the biggest thing is as i am in .5 space pirates. Like say i go get my indy to pik up 100 cans and 5 pirates are there I am royaly screwed. As my best ship is a merlin and i havent even put 1 wepon on it yet lol.] Edit but witht the Giant Containers I just wait for them to leave.
ollobrains	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:45:00 - [32] another issue is secure cans that are left in an asteroid field - could it be a good chagne to perhaps make all secure cans more than 2 weeks old revert cargo opening status - then it would encourage players not to leave em sitting to use em or lose em ? i know you can blast em off and have concrod come running lol but leaving em sit for months upon months clutters up systems and asteroid belts - guess if any system ges to clutted then CCP will fix it but its an idea.
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:47:00 - [33] well there is about 10 corps in my system and usually 10 players and i have never seen 1 cargo container in my system so I think ill give it a try.. Ill save 600k and put 1 at my 2 fav belts :P thx alot guys. maby both at same eblt would be better but wait pirates nvm.
Elixier	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:47:00 - [34] With a jet-can you can wait for them to leave... they upped the time for cans to 2H without even naming them. Elixier's Kills
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:48:00 - [35] hmm even still the secure casrgo container hold way way more and they are pasworsd secure. And if people dont like me leving them out ill take my indy and put them away every time. (i just need to mine the money for them \first lol)
Elixier	Posted - 2005.02.15 13:50:00 - [36] Originally by: Billy Lajambe hmm even still the secure casrgo container hold way way more and they are pasworsd secure. And if people dont like me leving them out ill take my indy and put them away every time. (i just need to mine the money for them \first lol) Since when was 3900m3 bigger than 27500m3? Elixier's Kills
Lufio II	Posted - 2005.02.15 14:10:00 - [37] my bad, a typo in my post, I accidentally wrote 27m¦instead of 27k m¦... Jetcans are of course significantly larger than any giant secure container... 27500 m¦ for a jetcan against 3900m¦ for a giant secure container are the proper Values
Haoia	Posted - 2005.02.15 15:36:00 - [38] I do not like secure cans, to much trouble, have to put them in your indy, drop em off and anchor them. They also require skills trained up to even use them. (to anchor them at least) A secure can and cargo expanders are not realy the same level. They are kind of like apples and oranges. Cargo expanders in your osprey will give you a little more room, if you jet can mine, you dont really need the space. Saves some cash. These are just my views and they could be wrong.....often wrong if you listen to my wife.
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 16:42:00 - [39] but really if i get like 800 storage (level 2 cargo expanders) and 3 level 2 miners and 1 secure container and my badger level 2 am i not set because i am very worried about my copr m8's taking my jet cans as they say it is not an inforces rule but they want all or most mining money to go to corp and thety already only pay me 140k a week so i know they will take my jet cans.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.02.15 17:01:00 - [40] Originally by: Billy Lajambe but really if i get like 800 storage (level 2 cargo expanders) and 3 level 2 miners and 1 secure container and my badger level 2 am i not set because i am very worried about my copr m8's taking my jet cans as they say it is not an inforces rule but they want all or most mining money to go to corp and thety already only pay me 140k a week so i know they will take my jet cans. If you're worried about a corpmate taking your jetcan, you really need a real corp. -- The best description of alliances, ever:
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 17:02:00 - [41] I cant leave ym corp lol i know 140k is pretty crappy but still lol.
sutty	Posted - 2005.02.15 17:29:00 - [42] LOL getting paid that much is digraceful, I can make that in less then 30 seconds
Oi Poloi	Posted - 2005.02.15 18:25:00 - [43] Don't mine. Problem solved. ----- DJ 4tw
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 18:48:00 - [44] so if i dont mine then I have 2 options. ive like a sorry ass bum in the game for the rest of my life on a 140 k wage or quit the game.
Ben Derindar	Posted - 2005.02.15 19:16:00 - [45] Try some agent missions or hunt some NPCs either in belts or in complexes. Variety is the spice of life, as they say. /Ben
Billy Lajambe	Posted - 2005.02.15 19:17:00 - [46] I am gonna start as i miner then maby become a pirtae when i get a good battle ship right now i have a Osprey and badger mark 2.
Oi Poloi	Posted - 2005.02.15 20:52:00 - [47] There are many ways to play this game and make money. mining is the easiest, most obvious and most boring (to most people at least). I'm not saying you shouldn't mine at all just consider other ways of making money. Makes the game so much more fun. Just a suggestion tho. ----- DJ 4tw
Keva	Posted - 2005.02.15 21:04:00 - [48] Find another corp Billy. Any corp who robs noobs like that is not a corp you want to belong to. Check the local channel for other corps recruiting. If you can trust your corp and believe they are your m8 then you will get nowhere fast in eve.
Junroy Matox	Posted - 2005.02.15 21:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Billy Lajambe I cant leave ym corp lol i know 140k is pretty crappy but still lol. I don't understand why you can't leave the corp, are they holding your wife and child hostage? Seriously, that sounds like you got the really bad end of the deal, typically known as "slave mining". And, if your worried about a corp stealing your ore, it is definitely time to move out. There are many corps out there that'll look after you far better than that. -------------------------------------------------- ...but that's just my opinion, I'm not an expert ;)
Nyphur	Posted - 2005.02.15 22:00:00 - [50] Edited by: Nyphur on 15/02/2005 22:01:02 Originally by: Junroy Matox Originally by: Billy Lajambe I cant leave ym corp lol i know 140k is pretty crappy but still lol. I don't understand why you can't leave the corp, are they holding your wife and child hostage? Seriously, that sounds like you got the really bad end of the deal, typically known as "slave mining". And, if your worried about a corp stealing your ore, it is definitely time to move out. There are many corps out there that'll look after you far better than that. Yeah, seriously.. get the hell out of that corp before it eats up whatever love of Eve you have left. I was in a very old and very reputable corporation from the outset, a corp called Dreamscape. They once paid me .. get this.. 4 million ISK for 24 hours of solid mining in a Thorax. If I had mined veldspar myself for those 24 hours, I would have made somewhere between 24 million ISK and 36 million ISK, given that I filled a full can in under an hour, making 24 cans, each worth about a million to a million and a half each. I say get out there and make your own way in eve for a bit if you're nto being paid well, or find another corp. Freelancing for a while was the best thing I ever did. I went back to Dreamscape because I missed the chatting but I left again and made my own corporation.

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