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Caliph Muhammed Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:19:00 - [91] Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 16:20:00 Originally by: Roguehalo This thing is now dead in the water. Anymore activity in this thread now would be just picking at the bones. You're a legend in your mind Rogue. If only stating the investment is dead made it so. On the contrary its only begining. The first dividend payment should be going out with a day or two max, depending on how the sales go. My success will never under any circumstances be tied to what a bigot on a forum says, you can bet on that.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:20:00 - [92] Originally by: Roguehalo Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 14:25:52 Roguehalo does have an irritating tendency to call scam. However, making ungrounded claims about peoples' underlying attitudes towards your religion and trying to broadcast RL personal details is definitely not a legitimate response. That this was nothing to do with religion can be seen in the fact that Roguehalo doesn't discriminate - he calls most people scammers. With the exception of Cista2 ALL of the people I have called scam on have sunk without trace. Mainly shortly after I pointed out the shortcomings of their various offers. Sorry if I misrepresented you. I had a quick look on eve-search and my view may have been biased by the fact that most of your posts in investment threads call scam. You do seem to have picked a good few accurately though but many of your other calls didn't launch so can't really be judged. In the five mins I spent looking I did find one on which you were wrong though (it wasn't Cista and they closed down quite fast and disappeared, so you could say they sunk without a trace although they didn't scam; unfortunately for my argument, I think that Davramm was actually trying to set up a scam, though, and just failed to ).
RAW23	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:23:00 - [93] Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 16:24:06 Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 16:16:50 Originally by: RAW23 Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 14:25:52 Roguehalo does have an irritating tendency to call scam. However, making ungrounded claims about peoples' underlying attitudes towards your religion and trying to broadcast RL personal details is definitely not a legitimate response. That this was nothing to do with religion can be seen in the fact that Roguehalo doesn't discriminate - he calls most people scammers. Well if anyone's feelings are being hurt they are welcome to avoid posting in the thread. No. It's not a question of avoiding the response by not posting; that simply seeks to legitimise a type of response that is entirely unacceptable within the context of a game. Leave real life where it belongs - outside our virtual playground. No. Actually, yes. Your actions were not just unacceptable from my perspective. They were also against the forum rules, so if you are not willing to leave real life where it belongs you will get banned sooner or later (as other people have been for doing the same thing).
Caliph Muhammed Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:40:00 - [94] "Actually, yes. Your actions were not just unacceptable from my perspective. They were also against the forum rules, so if you are not willing to leave real life where it belongs you will get banned sooner or later (as other people have been for doing the same thing)." You aren't a mod, they can do their job, they don't need you to tell people the forum rules. I'll worry about myself, you worry about yourself. As for the rules I can simply post he's a scammer and if you want proof contact me personally. Then I can point people to the information I choose to provide. So there ya go. No rules are broken and i'm still going to make my point.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.06.15 16:59:00 - [95] Originally by: Caliph Muhammed You aren't a mod, they can do their job, they don't need you to tell people the forum rules. I'll worry about myself, you worry about yourself. As for the rules I can simply post he's a scammer and if you want proof contact me personally. Then I can point people to the information I choose to provide. So there ya go. No rules are broken and i'm still going to make my point. You're right, the mods don't need to be told the rules. You clearly do, though. Quote: 6.Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction and alliance members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing ôin characterö disputes from becoming "out of character" personal attacks. The game is designed for role-playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Please keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum unless it is clearly a mutual, in-character exchange. Quote: 8. No posting of personal information Quote: 11.Immediate banning from the forum can result from any of the following: The posting of **ography; discriminatory remarks which are sexually explicit, harmful, threatening**, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive; excessive obscene or vulgar language; posts which discuss or illustrate illegal activity; providing links to sites that contain any of the aforementioned. I would say your last post certainly counts as threatening and undermines the point of a public forum by trying to stifle discussion that you don't like by making threats about actions in real life.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:10:00 - [96] In addition to breaching the forum rules your last post also threatens that you will breach (at least) the following rule from the code of conduct included in the EULA. Quote: 19.You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberÆs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website.
Faith Clothos	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:28:00 - [97] I don't know what is sadder, you, or that people would actually send you money. Both are pretty up there to be honest.
Caliph Muhammed Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:36:00 - [98] Originally by: Faith Clothos I don't know what is sadder, you, or that people would actually send you money. Both are pretty up there to be honest. I'd go with option three, people who have no interest in the investment lingering around the thread instead of doing something constructive with their time.
Faith Clothos	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:40:00 - [99] Entertainment is considered useful, and you provide lots of it.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:41:00 - [100] Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 17:40:55 Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Im sorry but as demonstrated in this thread , calling someone a scammer with no proof is absolutely allowed. And under no circumstances is CCP able to enforce what I tell someone through private communications. The key word is private communications there chip. I don't have to use EVE, I can use my private email. The funny thing is I thought he claimed that wasn't him. Now all of a sudden it was. So which is it? And also im not revealing anything about anyone. He already did that when he posted it on the internet. I just pointed a link. It's public information. Firstly, it doesn't matter if it was him or not. You tried to give out his personal data, whether you got it right or wrong is immaterial. Secondly, of course CCP can't enforce their rules on your private communications but if you want to draw eve players' attention to that data you will either have to get an out of game mailing list for them or use ingame channels to direct them to the out of game information you are saying you will use to threaten anyone who makes certain statements about you ingame, statements that, whilst they may be unpleasant, are perfectly within the rules. Doing this will obviously be against the rules. Finally, the fact that you continue to hold out the threat of taking action against people in real life for calling you a scammer in a game where scamming and scam-calling are part of the expected environment just shows you to be a contemptible specimen of humanity.

Caliph Muhammed Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:53:00 - [101] Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 17:56:12 Its not against the rules to give a player your email. Whatever is discussed in the email is no ones business but the concerned parties. That may suck for your particular outlook but that's how it is. Please get off your pulpit and go preach to someone who's interested in hearing it. Calling someone a contemptible specimen of society when you are on their thread throwing out accusations with no proof whatsoever, not even a coherent argument as to why you feel that way is like an acid induced trip through Wonderland. Where everything is backwards in relation to reality. And firstly isn't a word. Your opinion ---> (------------------------) My care level --> (------) And my care level is only at that point because deep down I don't want to be enemies with anyone. But if you want to include yourself in it, then it is what it is.
Faith Clothos	Posted - 2011.06.15 17:58:00 - [102] Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 17:57:12 Its not against the rules to give a player your email. Whatever is discussed in the email is no ones business but the concerned parties. That may suck for your particular outlook but that's how it is. Please get off your pulpit and go preach to someone who's interested in hearing it. Calling someone a contemptible specimen of humanity when you are on their thread throwing out accusations with no proof whatsoever, not even a coherent argument as to why you feel that way is like an acid induced trip through Wonderland. Where everything is backwards in relation to reality. And firstly isn't a word. Your opinion ---> (------------------------) My care level --> (------) And my care level is only at that point because deep down I don't want to be enemies with anyone. But if you want to include yourself in it, then it is what it is. What happens to your enemies? I would say that you seem a bit psycho, to be honest.
Caliph Muhammed Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:00:00 - [103] Originally by: Faith Clothos Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 17:57:12 Its not against the rules to give a player your email. Whatever is discussed in the email is no ones business but the concerned parties. That may suck for your particular outlook but that's how it is. Please get off your pulpit and go preach to someone who's interested in hearing it. Calling someone a contemptible specimen of humanity when you are on their thread throwing out accusations with no proof whatsoever, not even a coherent argument as to why you feel that way is like an acid induced trip through Wonderland. Where everything is backwards in relation to reality. And firstly isn't a word. Your opinion ---> (------------------------) My care level --> (------) And my care level is only at that point because deep down I don't want to be enemies with anyone. But if you want to include yourself in it, then it is what it is. What happens to your enemies? I would say that you seem a bit psycho, to be honest. They usually suffer in misery as I succeed in my endeavors. I've never did a follow up because I don't much care.
Liberty Eternal	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:03:00 - [104] So if people criticise you, that makes them your enemies? If your current "friends" have told you that your way of threatening people is acceptable, then they aren't really very good friends are they? What you're doing is pretty nasty - you're only getting the same criticism and humour that everyone else around here gets, the person who took it to the wrong level was you.
Caliph Muhammed Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:10:00 - [105] Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 18:12:48 Originally by: Liberty Eternal So if people criticise you, that makes them your enemies? If your current "friends" have told you that your way of threatening people is acceptable, then they aren't really very good friends are they? What you're doing is pretty nasty - you're only getting the same criticism and humour that everyone else around here gets, the person who took it to the wrong level was you. Criticism is fine. Im more than willing to answer any questions regarding anything about my fund. But i'm cut from a different cloth when it comes to turning a cheek when struck. I'm more an eye for an eye kind of guy. On what earth do the people of these forums reside where the notion of your first word to a person comes in the form of an insult or besmirchment of character and that person should say thank you and ask for more. Come down to reality. Yes, I was particularly nasty. I'll apologize as soon as I get an apology.
RAW23	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:24:00 - [106] Edited by: RAW23 on 15/06/2011 18:25:54 Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Its not against the rules to give a player your email. Whatever is discussed in the email is no ones business but the concerned parties. That may suck for your particular outlook but that's how it is. Except you have already made clear, and continue to make clear, using ingame channels that you are threatening out of game actions in response to legitimate ingame comments. Quote: Calling someone a contemptible specimen of humanity when you are on their thread throwing out accusations with no proof whatsoever, not even a coherent argument as to why you feel that way is like an acid induced trip through Wonderland. Where everything is backwards in relation to reality. Since I don't believe you are essentially contemptible, I should have said that you are currently acting like a contemptible piece of humanity. As to accusations, I have made none. I have simply pointed out that you continue to breach both the game rules and the basic rules of conduct I would expect to apply anywhere by threatening unreasonable retaliation in response to insignificant comments. Quote: And firstly isn't a word. Firstly, English is a common usage language that has no official rules. Words become acceptable in accordance with their usage. Secondly, the word is considered acceptable by (at least) those presses I have published with. It is worth reflecting on the fact that many things your high-school teachers told you may not be objectively true. Genuine advice: 1.) don't get upset by scam callers and trolls as they are an inevitable part of the background and can do no damage to you unless you let them (such as by reacting the way that you have); 2.) look deep inside yourself and recover your sense of proportion.
Faith Clothos	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:31:00 - [107] Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 18:12:48 Originally by: Liberty Eternal So if people criticise you, that makes them your enemies? If your current "friends" have told you that your way of threatening people is acceptable, then they aren't really very good friends are they? What you're doing is pretty nasty - you're only getting the same criticism and humour that everyone else around here gets, the person who took it to the wrong level was you. Criticism is fine. Im more than willing to answer any questions regarding anything about my fund. But i'm cut from a different cloth when it comes to turning a cheek when struck. I'm more an eye for an eye kind of guy. On what earth do the people of these forums reside where the notion of your first word to a person comes in the form of an insult or besmirchment of character and that person should say thank you and ask for more. Come down to reality. Yes, I was particularly nasty. I'll apologize as soon as I get an apology. You know that guy you don't like drinking with? The one that gets nasty and picks fights with everytone over nothing? be it the barkeep, the waitress, or some random dude looking at him the wrong way, he is always upset about something? The one that ruins nights and who you have half a feeling is going to stab someone over something stupid one of these days and who you wouldn't trust to give you the time, let alone lend money to? That guy is you.
Caliph Muhammed Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:36:00 - [108] Originally by: Faith Clothos Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 18:12:48 Originally by: Liberty Eternal So if people criticise you, that makes them your enemies? If your current "friends" have told you that your way of threatening people is acceptable, then they aren't really very good friends are they? What you're doing is pretty nasty - you're only getting the same criticism and humour that everyone else around here gets, the person who took it to the wrong level was you. Criticism is fine. Im more than willing to answer any questions regarding anything about my fund. But i'm cut from a different cloth when it comes to turning a cheek when struck. I'm more an eye for an eye kind of guy. On what earth do the people of these forums reside where the notion of your first word to a person comes in the form of an insult or besmirchment of character and that person should say thank you and ask for more. Come down to reality. Yes, I was particularly nasty. I'll apologize as soon as I get an apology. You know that guy you don't like drinking with? The one that gets nasty and picks fights with everytone over nothing? be it the barkeep, the waitress, or some random dude looking at him the wrong way, he is always upset about something? The one that ruins nights and who you have half a feeling is going to stab someone over something stupid one of these days and who you wouldn't trust to give you the time, let alone lend money to? That guy is you. I view myself more as the sober guy who walks into a bar of drunks with full confidence if one of them should decide to pick a fight he's capable of leaving teeth on the floor. If that's psycho so be it, but it's who I am, and im not changing for anyone.

CCP Zymurgist Gallente C C P	Posted - 2011.06.15 18:54:00 - [109] Thread cleaned of off topic and trolling comments. Please only post if you wish to discuss or invest in the mutual fund. Zymurgist Community Representative CCP NA, EVE Online Contact Us

RAW23	Posted - 2011.06.15 19:12:00 - [110] Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Thread cleaned of off topic and trolling comments. Please only post if you wish to discuss or invest in the mutual fund. Is discussing the character and attitudes of the person asking for our isk permissible?

Dretzle Omega Caldari Ozeki Corp.	Posted - 2011.06.15 19:40:00 - [111] Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 15/06/2011 19:40:38 Originally by: Caliph Muhammed So in other words you get a free pass to insult people and then have no obligation to take responsibility for it. Im not handling them how you would, because, i'm not you. I don't want you to invest in me. Go away. You've made your point and said your piece, so from this point on there is zero reason for us to have contact. And that goes for Roguehalo and Jerry as well. And yet I doubt either of you three are going anywhere. Because you aren't here to warn anyone. You're here to make sure something that you have no interest or want to ever have to compete against, fails. Coming to a thread casting accusations with not a shred of proof and then telling someone they aren't handling it maturely is IRONY. No, you're right, after my two posts above I had no reason to reply. Except this post warrants one last response, and then I'll leave. Originally by: Caliph Muhammed So in other words you get a free pass to insult people and then have no obligation to take responsibility for it. No, not really. I didn't insult you so much as expressed distrust in your business plan. What could be construed as an insult, my distrust of your professionalism, has actually been proven by the last pages of your responses. You did that to yourself; there is nothing there for me to take responsibility for. Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Im not handling them how you would, because, i'm not you. I was giving one example of how it can be handled maturely. There are other ways to handle it maturely; then there's also the way you chose. Originally by: Caliph Muhammed You're here to make sure something that you have no interest or want to ever have to compete against, fails. Not at all. And if the concerns had been handled professionally or mature, it would have spoken well to your investability. THAT's how you could have shown us up. Originally by: Caliph Muhammed Coming to a thread casting accusations with not a shred of proof and then telling someone they aren't handling it maturely is IRONY. This is a rhetorical question, of course, since I'll be responding no more, but what proof? Maybe you're confusing me with Roguehalo or others. Saying that an offering feels scammy is not something one could have proof for. HINT: If you ignore those calling scams and act professional, they go away. Good day to you, sir! Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
Honey Senpai	Posted - 2011.06.15 19:53:00 - [112] Here are the issues with this buisness model: First it has a stock but no board of directors. This means that no one involved can see the inital investment of this. The 51% of stock may or may not be paid for at all. All of this could be down with a corp that has multiple people in it and can view the buying of the shares as a group. ((aka investment group)) All trades could bedone on behalf of the corporation and not on behalf of this individual. The investment isk would still have to have someone who could access it ((dangerous)). This person should be a third party who is already well known and respected in the world of eve ((aka not just some random guy)). This person should also be made to buy in at a resonible percentage so they make a profit that is constant and have less incentive to raid the fund. Until any of this is done the odds of this being anything less then a full scam is very low indeed. Your current model is based purely on trust and a fool and his isk will soon part.
Caliph Muhammed Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service	Posted - 2011.06.15 20:08:00 - [113] Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 20:15:13 Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 15/06/2011 20:08:04 Originally by: Honey Senpai Here are the issues with this buisness model: First it has a stock but no board of directors. This means that no one involved can see the inital investment of this. The 51% of stock may or may not be paid for at all. All of this could be down with a corp that has multiple people in it and can view the buying of the shares as a group. ((aka investment group)) All trades could bedone on behalf of the corporation and not on behalf of this individual. The investment isk would still have to have someone who could access it ((dangerous)). This person should be a third party who is already well known and respected in the world of eve ((aka not just some random guy)). This person should also be made to buy in at a resonible percentage so they make a profit that is constant and have less incentive to raid the fund. Until any of this is done the odds of this being anything less then a full scam is very low indeed. Your current model is based purely on trust and a fool and his isk will soon part. A board of directors means either I have people in the corp watching everything I do and potentially using it against me or it could mean they all have access to the wallet which means security is nil. The rest of what you say is essentially every offer on this board. Ive laid my plan out, im not including the "MD" elite aka board of directors aka trusted 3rd parties because they arent doing any of the work and it benefits me in no way. I have no reason to. I made the investment offer as low risk as possible. You can buy 1 share at 1000 isk and see if the dividends pay out or abstain completely. I'm not asking anyone on this board to give my ideas the OK. I ask the people who are interested. And they have an option which many have been most pleased to do. Others don't care to. And that's okay as well. I have zero interest in ever putting someone in charge of my fund, its investing goals or plans and definitely not my corp wallet. Plain and simple. The comparison of the fool and his money , keep investing in those billion ISK bonds , i'll let history record the results. I'm sure i'm going to put in the work to make an actual mutual fund work and have some schmo pretend by him sitting in the corp learning what i'm doing made the fund succeed. No, ill take the credit for myself and the blame for failure as well.
Jerry Pepridge	Posted - 2011.08.19 02:10:00 - [114] how i invest bond? _________________________________________________ 7 Easy steps
Angsty Teenager	Posted - 2011.08.19 03:26:00 - [115] Originally by: Jerry Pepridge how i invest bond? pledge -20bil.
Singeabooty Raj Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.19 09:40:00 - [116] Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are soon parted.
OllieNorth Gallente R-K Industries	Posted - 2011.08.19 15:47:00 - [117] I hate to be this guy, but I have ISK with Caliph and I have been getting solid returns so far. Now, I have come nowhere near the point of breaking even on my investment, nor have I tried to withdraw my ISK, but it seems relatively legit so far. To Caliph, please ignore the flamebait. Seeing you overreact to these people does in fact make me nervous. Keep doing what you are doing and don't worry about the forum.
Singeabooty Raj Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.08.19 16:08:00 - [118] Your fine words carry much weight in appeasing sceptical minds sir. Peeps gonna be Muhammad when this goes **** up.
Esan Vartesa East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2011.08.19 18:47:00 - [119] I am reasonably convinced that this fund is not intended to be a scam. But like all legit operations, that in no way implies that it won't still cost investors their investment in the long run. Caliph, your inability to ignore the trolls and your clearly combative and emotional nature have warned me, and I'm sure many others, off of investing with you. From where I stand I would be willing to wager a fair amount that eventually you are going to flame out and quit, and this fund will be converted into your personal bank account. You will feel entirely justified in doing this, as you will believe that you did all the work and thus you deserve the rewards, and your investors received dividends until the time you quit and thus should be happy with that. I consider this a very safe bet, as I can see how easily it could be forced into happening. This is not a criticism, nor an attack. I believe it is more than fair to point out that you are far too volatile by nature to be trusted with other peoples' money, and pointing this out is within the scope of discussing your offering. The fact that you outright reject the suggestion of leaving potentially controversial real world topics out of Eve is proof enough to me of your volatile nature. Also, a Muslim who uses the word 'schmo'?
Caliph Muhammed Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service	Posted - 2011.08.19 21:50:00 - [120] Originally by: OllieNorth I hate to be this guy, but I have ISK with Caliph and I have been getting solid returns so far. Now, I have come nowhere near the point of breaking even on my investment, nor have I tried to withdraw my ISK, but it seems relatively legit so far. To Caliph, please ignore the flamebait. Seeing you overreact to these people does in fact make me nervous. Keep doing what you are doing and don't worry about the forum. You hate to be that guy? Brother if you want your money out you can have absolutely have it. 900 isk per share. Send them in and you don't have to feel "nervous" anymore.



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