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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.19 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Caliph Muhammed
Originally by: OllieNorth I hate to be this guy, but I have ISK with Caliph and I have been getting solid returns so far. Now, I have come nowhere near the point of breaking even on my investment, nor have I tried to withdraw my ISK, but it seems relatively legit so far.
To Caliph, please ignore the flamebait. Seeing you overreact to these people does in fact make me nervous. Keep doing what you are doing and don't worry about the forum.
You hate to be that guy? Brother if you want your money out you can have absolutely have it. 900 isk per share. Send them in and you don't have to feel "nervous" anymore.
I think the guy he hates being is the one who asks other people to leave the OP alone because he has isk with him, the guy who says the OP is alright. This is not directed at you so much as at the perception of making a certain type of post which in some circumstances might look similar to a post by a shill. Not that it actually does here though.
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.08.19 22:44:00 -
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Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 19/08/2011 22:48:36 Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 19/08/2011 22:46:38
Originally by: Esan Vartesa
I havent invested in you, have no intention ever now or in the past and yet im sure you give great weight to my antiquated psychoanalyzation of you. Im sure you appreciate how I drew it from mass generalities that could be applied to anyone.
Why thank you. I'll file that with the rest. I like how Bobby and Phaser INC the two most honest groups of business people in EVE carried themselves like me. O no they didn't they? They filled people's ears with sweet nothings and sodomized everyone. I don't take ****, because I dont have to. When I get tired of trading, ill do exactly as I said I would in regards to the fund then ill start killing people for ****s and giggles.
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Callean Drevus
Caldari Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2011.08.19 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Caliph Muhammed I don't take chit, because I dont have to.
You certainly don't, but if you intend on making people believe in you this is not the way to go. As I pointed out in another thread, inflamed replies do nothing to help further trust and respect.
Before a man speaks it is always safe to assume that he is a fool. After he speaks, it is seldom necessary to assume it. --- "A fool flatters himself, a wise man flatters the fool."
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.08.20 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Callean Drevus
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed I don't take chit, because I dont have to.
You certainly don't, but if you intend on making people believe in you this is not the way to go. As I pointed out in another thread, inflamed replies do nothing to help further trust and respect.
Before a man speaks it is always safe to assume that he is a fool. After he speaks, it is seldom necessary to assume it.
Im still trying to figure out why people whom I have no connection with nor have any of their money are still in my thread speaking down to me with all this emotional bullchit.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.20 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 20/08/2011 01:04:51 Edited by: RAW23 on 20/08/2011 01:04:23
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed I like how Bobby and Phaser INC the two most honest groups of business people in EVE carried themselves like me. Oh, no they didn't did they? They filled people's ears with sweet nothings and then sodomized everyone.
Phaser Inc got nowhere at all on MD. They were laughed out of town from the start. Their investors came from spamming local in-game.
Your use of Bobby as an example is somewhat ironic though. He was, indeed, very smooth but he was also quite open about the satisfaction he gained not just from being a PvP pirate but from piratical behaviour. Many people were willing to overlook the fact that he stated repeatedly that it was only practical benefits that kept him honest rather than an unwillingness to cause harm to other people (ingame ofc).
What makes your behaviour worrying from an investor perspective is related but slightly different. It is that someone who has so little regard for social conventions and rules put in place to avoid genuine harm coming to people (such as not bringing RL details into the game just because someone ****ed you off ingame), who rages easily in a way that seems to take pleasure in a certain type of aggression who promises retribution against those who annoy him, and who generally deals with people so poorly on a social level, is not the kind of person who one can be confident in relying on not to gratify himself by taking advantage of a position of trust at the expense of others. It is certainly not true that all people who behave in this way will also be willing to act dishonestly but given how little people know of the true motivations of others in an MMO it is the type of thing one should take into account when forming a risk assessment.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.20 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Caliph Muhammed
Im still trying to figure out why people whom I have no connection with nor their money are still in my thread speaking down to me with all this emotional bullchit.
It's a public thread involving publicly raised money on a public forum.
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.08.20 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 20/08/2011 01:28:07
Originally by: RAW23 Edited by: RAW23 on 20/08/2011 01:04:51 Edited by: RAW23 on 20/08/2011 01:04:23
Originally by: Caliph Muhammed I like how Bobby and Phaser INC the two most honest groups of business people in EVE carried themselves like me. Oh, no they didn't did they? They filled people's ears with sweet nothings and then sodomized everyone.
Phaser Inc got nowhere at all on MD. They were laughed out of town from the start. Their investors came from spamming local in-game.
Your use of Bobby as an example is somewhat ironic though. He was, indeed, very smooth but he was also quite open about the satisfaction he gained not just from being a PvP pirate but from piratical behaviour. Many people were willing to overlook the fact that he stated repeatedly that it was only practical benefits that kept him honest rather than an unwillingness to cause harm to other people (ingame ofc).
What makes your behaviour worrying from an investor perspective is related but slightly different. It is that someone who has so little regard for social conventions and rules put in place to avoid genuine harm coming to people (such as not bringing RL details into the game just because someone ****ed you off ingame), who rages easily in a way that seems to take pleasure in a certain type of aggression who promises retribution against those who annoy him, and who generally deals with people so poorly on a social level, is not the kind of person who one can be confident in relying on not to gratify himself by taking advantage of a position of trust at the expense of others. It is certainly not true that all people who behave in this way will also be willing to act dishonestly but given how little people know of the true motivations of others in an MMO it is the type of thing one should take into account when forming a risk assessment.
Ironically, if you weren't posting in my thread about a fund you have zero interest or isk tied up in the behavior you "worry" about wouldn't be present.
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Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.08.20 06:01:00 -
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Edited by: Singeabooty Raj on 20/08/2011 06:07:18 The risk in this venture has now increased and external factors out with the market are now at play.
Performance expectation and emotional involvement are becoming entwined. Belly Up is probable.
Caliph, stop taking the bait dude and retorting to trolls on the forums - your investors do not like it.
Just perform on the market and give them the returns you promised to deliver on their investment.
Edit: Which so far you have done so NO NEED TO DEFEND YOURSELF FURTHER AT THIS POINT.
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Emma d'Acques
Gallente Ortog Promethium Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.20 06:18:00 -
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Caliph,
I think that what the others are trying to make clear here, is to not rise to the bait, and put yourself above the silly trolls. From what I have seen of the MD forums, or should I say the EVE Online forums, is that trolls are a veritable plague here.
You are giving exactly what they want, an emotional reply, with wich you feed their behaviour, thus making them stronger and feel more important. Thus, it only adds to the problem.
It is up to you to put yourself above this kind of behaviour, but it does not exclude you from replying to them in any way. Dare I say even trolling the trolls? A witty, well thought out reply, can show the trolls that you either do not care about what they have to say, or that you are a stable person who can take some punishment (and give it back).
If I may, I'd like to suggest that you stay businesslike, and let the trolls be for the time being. When the troll problem does not solve itself, stay businesslike.
As you have clearly pointed out, some (or all) of them have no interest whatsoever in your business venture. So, why care at all? Replying like you have done in the past gives you the image of actually caring about what they have to say.
It is up to you to prove to your investors that you are a stable person, be it only in a monetary way, or in a personal and emotional way. That is the bottom line to me. Concentrate on making those profits, making the payouts, and most of all, your own FUN in doing so.
Being an unstable person can make your investors lose confidence in you, which can in turn lead them to withdraw their ISK from CNCIS and your market, which in turn can start to snowball to a most unsavoury conclusion, a conclusion I believe none of your investors would want to see happen.
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Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.08.20 06:39:00 -
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Edited by: Singeabooty Raj on 20/08/2011 06:42:04 Emma,
I said what you said in 5 curt sentences.
For you to say the same took 7 paragraphs.
Will be interesting never the less to see if listen he does.
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Emma d'Acques
Gallente Ortog Promethium Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.20 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Emma d''Acques on 20/08/2011 06:51:55
Originally by: Singeabooty Raj Edited by: Singeabooty Raj on 20/08/2011 06:42:04 Emma,
I said what you said in 5 curt sentences.
For you to say the same took 7 paragraphs.
Will be interesting never the less to see if listen he does.
Sorry, but I like long sentences, and multiple paragraphs. This does not necessarily mean that it forms a good read, that is entirely up to you :)
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Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.08.20 07:01:00 -
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I concur miss, not to deviate however - we both agree if OP takes the bait again, well he mad?
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Emma d'Acques
Gallente Ortog Promethium Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.20 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Singeabooty Raj We both agree if OP takes the bait again, well he mad?
Yes Sirree, if OP takes the bait ageen, then he be mad.
@Caliph: No offense intended though, still love the way you run. SMOOCHES
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.08.20 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Emma d'Acques Caliph,
From what I have seen of the MD forums, or should I say the EVE Online forums, is that trolls are a veritable plague here.
No, they are exactly the same here as in every other forum. The difference is that every other forum got moderators to ban them since their T.O.S. usually say that trolling is forbidden. By the way, on paper, EvE forums TOS also forbids trolling, it's just not enforced at all.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.08.20 15:05:00 -
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Confirming 45000 shares recieved from Ollienorth and 45,000,000 was refunded at 2011.08.20 15:03.
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OllieNorth
Gallente R-K Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.20 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: OllieNorth on 20/08/2011 15:08:00 Emma and I received EVEmails today that we are being terminated from the investment because:
"It should go without saying having two members of the fund question the integrity and the stability of the person running the fund in such a vocal and public way is unacceptable. And in our public thread at that."
This is exactly what concerned me. I supported the fund the whole way, and I am being kicked out because I didn't toe the Party line on the forums.
Caliph, you obviously don't understand how this works. I gave you my money. You work for me. I will say what I want to in the thread, especially when I am trying to get you to relax a little and ignore the trolls.
As far as buyout, I expect the full 1000 isk per share, not a 900 isk per share buyout price, because you are terminating my investment, not me.
/son am disappoint
Edit: I did receive full price buyout for shares. Still disappointed.
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Emma d'Acques
Gallente Ortog Promethium Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.20 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Emma d''Acques on 20/08/2011 15:16:19 Caliph, I have transferred the 15000 shares to you.
As OllieNorth states, you work for us, not vice versa. I was very happy with they thing were running, and when I attempted to give you advice, it backfired on me. I urge you to rethink what you are doing in this thread, it will only lead to your downfall.
However, I wish you good luck with this bond, may you hold true to you (economical) course.
EDIT: ISK Received at 1,000 ISK per share.
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trance atlas
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Posted - 2011.08.20 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: OllieNorth Edited by: OllieNorth on 20/08/2011 15:08:00 Emma and I received EVEmails today that we are being terminated from the investment because:
"It should go without saying having two members of the fund question the integrity and the stability of the person running the fund in such a vocal and public way is unacceptable. And in our public thread at that."
This is exactly what concerned me. I supported the fund the whole way, and I am being kicked out because I didn't toe the Party line on the forums.
Caliph, you obviously don't understand how this works. I gave you my money. You work for me. I will say what I want to in the thread, especially when I am trying to get you to relax a little and ignore the trolls.
As far as buyout, I expect the full 1000 isk per share, not a 900 isk per share buyout price, because you are terminating my investment, not me.
/son am disappoint
Edit: I did receive full price buyout for shares. Still disappointed.
next time you better play nice to your worker.
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OllieNorth
Gallente R-K Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.20 15:55:00 -
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I was supportive the whole way, but apparently criticism is unacceptable. Very frustrating. I would almost rather have been scammed.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.22 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: OllieNorth I was supportive the whole way, but apparently criticism is unacceptable. Very frustrating. I would almost rather have been scammed.
Well, he did say in his initial thread that he would take revenge on anyone who criticised him. You're just lucky he kept his retribution within the context of the game ... this time.
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Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.08.22 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Singeabooty Raj on 22/08/2011 07:16:38 He mad - and his troll smack is why his bond bad
HE MAD
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.08.22 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 22/08/2011 09:20:57 I guess you guys figure if you repeat the same bullchit over and over you'll make it happen. Well sirs, lets have a reality check. So far ive lived up to my commitments, just got a new investor today, making some honestly earned iskies and putting away a good amount in savings. And im another day closer to eliting all the ewar & core certs. For me its looking good.
Smooches!
Psssst..... You're irrelevant.
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xSarahx
Caldari Up2-NoGood Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.08.22 11:37:00 -
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Hi
After reading most of this topic skipped the middle, I would like to look into investing into the shares system. I am looking at 10,000 - 20,000 shares if available.
Please contact me ingame if you are happy to accept my investment and i would also like to ask some of my own questions maybe get a recent report on revenue, dividend payout and ISK reserves.
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Yrielle Vandis
Dust Bunnies Emergent Avionics
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Posted - 2011.08.22 13:28:00 -
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Caliph, If you have some shares left, I'd be glad to get them off of your hands. |
Max Kolonko
Caldari Worm Nation Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.22 16:33:00 -
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same here, set me up for 100 mil if possible. Will send money once i get confirmation there are still left for me :) |
Mangeled Metal
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Posted - 2011.08.22 23:39:00 -
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I would be interested in 50k if there are any left. LMK in game.
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Dawn117 Robertias
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Posted - 2011.08.22 23:46:00 -
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I'll put in a couple mil if you like
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Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
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Posted - 2011.08.23 21:54:00 -
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Let me get through this div period and ill get up with you guys. Its been a little hectic lately and before I take on more guys i'd like to be less busy. My investors, save for one, have been with me a few divs now and I feel less stressed with people who have already started making money. With new guys who may or may not be coming in during a slower market there is more pressure.
I'd also like to point out that I do my best to bring in as big of a return as possible but do not look at a jump in dividends as a guarenteed trend of exponentially bigger payouts. It's possible to gain 20% in the fund size and bring in a dividend 50-75% less than it was previous. As I get paid through commision and my investment as well, im always after the biggest margin but sometimes the margin isn't to be had.
Your investment is sound with me that I can assure you but be prepared for bumps in the market along the way. If you are comfortable with long term investments, the fund is for you. If your looking for guarenteed ever increasing profits and quick ones at that, the fund isn't. The dividends will come as fast as I can do but there is no guarenteed timeframe. Offering one will only lead to disappointment for the investors and burnout for your humble daytrader.
And one more thing. I've been trading since I first started playing EVE, and truth be told in other games and such long before. There is however always risk in investment. Not from a human nature point of view, I will not rip you off, but the market can make us money or lose us money.
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