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markol
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Posted - 2005.02.16 17:56:00 -
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I have been searching for a Deimos for a week now. It's bloody impossible to find them. There were reports of one selling on escrow for 100m+. You have got to be kidding me. I even contacted Xetic tech and they claim that a waiting list for one is 1.5 months!!! I have just spent a month trainign skills for it and I cannot even bloody use one because they are so frakin rare. This just is not cool. CCP, drop more BPOs for these things so that people can actualy make them in more than 1 every 2 weeks. Better yet, give me one of them BPOs.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.02.16 18:00:00 -
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that's totally understandable. Deimos is the most powerful HAC out there, and unlike other t2 equipment, it takes a long time to manufacture. Even with 8 BPOs out, the supply would still be very tiny compared to demand. There's probably more than 1000 people wanting to buy one
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Cuebick
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Posted - 2005.02.16 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Cuebick on 16/02/2005 19:54:29
I'm looking for an Eagle and NAGA waiting list is too long :(
[edit:yay got one]
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.02.16 18:06:00 -
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Stupid sellers, they should just jack up the prices till there arent any q's to get one. Doesn't take a degree in economics really .. ^^
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2005.02.16 18:07:00 -
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My best advice is to keep an eye on the market - I bought mine straight away on the market for 85m. But yes, the waiting list is massively long - mostly because it's a high-risk ship, so PvPs with cash to spend are buying backups, and PvEers are ordering them whilst they train the skills. Either way, if you can just afford to run one, it's a royal pain.
In the meantime, you can always try an Ishtar - they go for nearly half the price and are extremely effective.
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Vicarrah
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Posted - 2005.02.16 18:08:00 -
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BIG have stopped supplying HAC's as well.
presumably the lack of components is the root cause, as the supply from agents has markedly decreased, and the corps who manufacture components using POS seem to be struggling to pick up the demand.
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Snaieke
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Posted - 2005.02.16 18:09:00 -
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Theres one on the market in the forge for about 100mill i think.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2005.02.16 18:15:00 -
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markol, agents are still giving out BPOs for them. so there WILL be more manufacturers
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markol
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Posted - 2005.02.16 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: markol on 16/02/2005 18:29:38
 Originally by: Hellek
markol, agents are still giving out BPOs for them. so there WILL be more manufacturers
I dont want it in the future. I want it now. I have jsut completed training for one, and it took a month. At this point the training I have done is worthless since I have no ship to use my skills towards. I dont want to have to sit on my ass for another 2 months waiting for my number to come up at the builder's.
And what happens when I lose one? Do I have to sit another 2 months waiting for a replacement?
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Lanu
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Posted - 2005.02.16 18:31:00 -
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If you look very close at the forums/escrow/market you will find one eventually. I found one for auction for 85m nice price for no waiting list 
boo
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Niaski Zalani
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Posted - 2005.02.16 19:17:00 -
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/me hugs his deimos
Like it has been said, just look around...or buy an Ishtar. Honestly, I almost like my Ishtar more then my deimos...Nothing like my Ishferatu :)
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Jaredh Elkin
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Posted - 2005.02.16 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: markol
Edited by: markol on 16/02/2005 18:29:38
I dont want it in the future. I want it now. I have jsut completed training for one, and it took a month. At this point the training I have done is worthless since I have no ship to use my skills towards. I dont want to have to sit on my ass for another 2 months waiting for my number to come up at the builder's.
Well, you could have checked the market while training for
the ship - you can buy one even if you don't have the skills yet. Or even before starting the training.
I trained for Minmatar HAS, and ordered from BIG when I had a week of training left. I bought both Muninn and Vagabond from the open market, though, as it was much faster.
Still, you can't blame others if you spend a month training and only after that check the availability.
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markol
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Posted - 2005.02.16 21:59:00 -
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HAc came out with Exodus. This was before christmas. Obviously at first, when the new modules come out the availability is slim. But as time goes on, the supply increases. This has not happened with the deimos and most other HAC. It has been 2 months, and I would like to know how many of these are available.
You can find a tonn of other tech II stuff on the market. There are a ridiculous amount of dmg mods, tracking computers, small guns, medium guns, even large guns. There are a tonn of ceptors. Where are the HAC?
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OnDa Rag
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Posted - 2005.02.16 23:02:00 -
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While HAC avaliability may be thin . . . I think that is the way it is suppose to be. It is an Elite Ship . . . a rare find. If CCP intended everyone to fly it then HACs would be sold by NPC corps and also be easy to train for.
This game has a SOCIAL dimension which involves networking and talking to people. Finding a HAC supplier is easy if you know the right people. I got my Deimos from a hard to find (and anonymous) supplier a few days after placing my order.
If you expand your social contacts, you will find it easier to get almost anything out there.
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Trollkeeper
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Posted - 2005.02.16 23:14:00 -
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I produce another HAC. It takes over 1000 units of T2 components to build the damned thing.
POS's were supposed to pickup and produce more T2 components, I havent seen that happening due to the rediculous requirements to run them. Serious coordination, time and effort is required just to run them, then you have to find someone to trade materials with to make some materials that can be made into components. This all takes alot of time and resources...
I put my print in a research slot to increase the ME to drop some of those T2 components, it takes close to 1 month to get it to ME4. It further takes 1.5 days to make 1 ship.
Is this a complaint - no, because it pushes prices up on these ships and rightfully so. Producers should make huge isk if the demand is there for them. And for those who dont want to pay, well sit and wait, prices may eventually come down (or put your name on one of the producers waiting lists to save a few million isk). 100 mill is not unreasonable to ask on a Deimos if the demand is there - clearly it is.
If producers have the print sitting idle, perhaps they should offer BYOM deals!
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.02.17 00:10:00 -
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It's good that there are so many people clamouring for, but unable to get their hands on, HACs. Preserves the exclusivity, unlike BSs which used to be cool to have, but now are not cool to have.
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Garramon
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Posted - 2005.02.17 00:23:00 -
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I love my Cerberus, but its not the greatest for PVP.
Anyhow, on to what I was going to say.
1.) Supply and Demand dictate the price rightfully on HACs.
2.) Supply of T2 components has decreased
But why?
-Decrease - Agents give less of them
-Increase - POS were designed to create them
-Decrease - The places where youd be most likely to find POSs are busy with other things, mainly wars. I am sure the North will start to produce T2 components soon, as far North is fairly quiet. It takes a concerted effort to keep it going. My friend had to take his down when the war with ATUK/BoB/Shinra/Imperium/etc in Fountain started, and I am sure Fountain would have more running if it werent for the war. This is the case in other regions as well.
So, in actuality, it isnt the lack of BPOs that causes the high price/rarity of the Deimos.
You should be really good in a Thorax now though :D
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.02.17 00:29:00 -
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Got my zealot without waiting, you just need to know the right people.
But yea I'd imagine it to be a pain for people who have to wait a long time.
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Pointless Vengence
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Posted - 2005.02.17 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Trollkeeper
I produce another HAC. It takes over 1000 units of T2 components to build the damned thing.
POS's were supposed to pickup and produce more T2 components, I havent seen that happening due to the rediculous requirements to run them. Serious coordination, time and effort is required just to run them, then you have to find someone to trade materials with to make some materials that can be made into components. This all takes alot of time and resources...
I put my print in a research slot to increase the ME to drop some of those T2 components, it takes close to 1 month to get it to ME4. It further takes 1.5 days to make 1 ship.
Is this a complaint - no, because it pushes prices up on these ships and rightfully so. Producers should make huge isk if the demand is there for them. And for those who dont want to pay, well sit and wait, prices may eventually come down (or put your name on one of the producers waiting lists to save a few million isk). 100 mill is not unreasonable to ask on a Deimos if the demand is there - clearly it is.
If producers have the print sitting idle, perhaps they should offer BYOM deals!
True to the Assault Sub-Class of ships, the Diemos can annihilate ships above its class (BSs). Its price should be on the same level as at least a tier 1 BS. Assault Frigs can OMFGPWN cruisers and some BSs . . . and their prices are slightly between the range of a Cruiser and a Battle Cruiser. HACs have a similar price range falling between the Tier 1 and Tier 2 BSs.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.02.17 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pointless Vengence
True to the Assault Sub-Class of ships, the Diemos can annihilate ships above its class (BSs). Its price should be on the same level as at least a tier 1 BS. Assault Frigs can OMFGPWN cruisers and some BSs . . . and their prices are slightly between the range of a Cruiser and a Battle Cruiser. HACs have a similar price range falling between the Tier 1 and Tier 2 BSs.
Please put the weed down.
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Pointless Vengence
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Posted - 2005.02.17 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
Originally by: Pointless Vengence
True to the Assault Sub-Class of ships, the Diemos can annihilate ships above its class (BSs). Its price should be on the same level as at least a tier 1 BS. Assault Frigs can OMFGPWN cruisers and some BSs . . . and their prices are slightly between the range of a Cruiser and a Battle Cruiser. HACs have a similar price range falling between the Tier 1 and Tier 2 BSs.
Please put the weed down.
Wow, that was really constructive criticism . . . I commed you on your ability to support your opinions on HAC prices with well thought out and articulated arguments. 
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.02.17 06:45:00 -
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No, don't drop more BPO's.
Instead, boost the Vagabond/Muninn/Cerberus/Eagle to the usefulness of the Gallente and Caldari ones, then people will buy them more instead.
Ishtar actually outdamages a Deimos (without mag stabs) you know, and can tank alot better, that ship is crazy.
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.02.17 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
No, don't drop more BPO's.
Instead, boost the Vagabond/Muninn/Cerberus/Eagle to the usefulness of the Gallente and Caldari ones, then people will buy them more instead.
Ishtar actually outdamages a Deimos (without mag stabs) you know, and can tank alot better, that ship is crazy.
I really wanna see the math on this.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.02.17 08:23:00 -
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with best skills and no damage mods:
Deimos with 5x Ion blaster tech 2
dmg: 3.375*1.25*1.25*1.25*1.15*1.12 = 8.490234375
rof: 4.5*0.9*0.8 = 3.24
dps: 2.62*24*5 = 314.45
Ishtar with 15 heavies:
dmg: 15 *22*1.6*1.25 = 660
rof: 2
dps: 330
But then, Deimos can carry 4 heavies and Ishtar can have 3 guns with 5% dmg bonus
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2005.02.17 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: DREAMWORKS on 17/02/2005 08:28:44
If anyone has issue's with producing deimos because of the components, i got the components todo a few BYOC deals.
Personal dream of mine is a BPO, but their so damn expensive.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2005.02.17 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Pointless Vengence
Assault Frigs can OMFGPWN...some BSs . . .
No seriously. You need to put that weed down. 
Or give me a realistic, sensible, empirical example.
*Does not hold his breath for one*
Srry but WOW...they simply DONT.
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Hebus Zanheros
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Posted - 2005.02.17 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Trollkeeper
I produce another HAC. It takes over 1000 units of T2 components to build the damned thing.
I'm doing level IV mission, last time that my agent gived me tech II component, he gived me 1200 component !. May be rewards had be modify.
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MOS DEF
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Posted - 2005.02.17 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: MOS DEF on 17/02/2005 09:07:22
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Thimerion
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Posted - 2005.02.17 09:08:00 -
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Well, it's all been said before but here's my opinion:
1) HAC's should be very rare because they are ELITE.
2) Why on earth do you plan your skill training at least one month in advance, and then don't bother to check for the ship? Surely anybody noticed the huge waiting queu on a Deimos or other HACs. Pretty stupid not to order one a month or more ago. I ordered my ships (both Ishtar and Deimos) about 3 weeks ago. I have the Ishtar for more than a week and the Deimos since last week.
3) Waiting list for an Ishtar is much shorter (thank you naga), get one, you'll love it!
4) Since I have both ships, I've flown about 90% of the time in my Ishtar, not my Deimos . It's truly awesome.
Yesterday, I took out a hauler spawn with just my Ishtar and 10 heavy drones (I lost 4 drones very early in the chaos ). I think it was the coolest thing I ever did ... There were 2 BS, 2 haulers and 5 cruisers. I tanked them in my Ishtar, killed the cruisers first (nasty buggers did kill some drones but I had to get em out fast). Then I killed the haulers, while tanking 2 BS for another 5 minutes. Then it was time for the 2 BS, and then another 4 cruisers that had respawned, and then another BS that respawned  ...
I don't think I would've made it in my Deimos I can tell you that...
Ishtar for the win :-)
Cheers,
Thimerion
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Deovina
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Posted - 2005.02.17 09:09:00 -
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People who are not able to produce them might wanna contact me. Im willing to buy the BPO and pay every well.
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Sforza
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Posted - 2005.02.17 09:23:00 -
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My corp has a Deimos BPO, and we're part of BIG's sales effort, and I'll tell you this.. we've had the BPO since October, and its not left the factory slot barring a few hours between factory runs.
We're producing 5 a week, more or less. Each ship takes 1.5 days.
Its not a question of component availabity, a few buy orders in strategic agent running locations takes care of that.
Its the BUILD TIME.
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Bad'Boy
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Posted - 2005.02.17 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
Originally by: Pointless Vengence
Assault Frigs can OMFGPWN...some BSs . . .
No seriously. You need to put that weed down.
Or give me a realistic, sensible, empirical example.
*Does not hold his breath for one*
Srry but WOW...they simply DONT.
wanna bet?
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bgjfj
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Posted - 2005.02.17 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: bgjfj on 17/02/2005 09:53:13
Well it can kill a gankageddon/megathron/tempest at close range, if you've got neutron blasters on an enyo you can kill the heavier stuff too, except a raven of course.
edit: WTF, it keeps posting with my alt.
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Toran Mehtar
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Posted - 2005.02.17 10:31:00 -
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The problem is that although the number of bpos is increasing, and therefore the number of ships being produced is going up, the number of people training for them and now able to fly them is going up even faster.
I blame all the noobs flying assault frigs. They don't feel very leet anymore, so all the vets want something bigger and better to show off in.
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Damocles Ician
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Posted - 2005.02.17 10:35:00 -
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I'm doing BYOC deals for Ishtars - check my bio in game for a list of components.
I have two in stock ... ready for trading instantly. Just get your components to Jel V Duvolle labs and it can be yours.
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Andrew Jade
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Posted - 2005.02.17 10:46:00 -
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Vagabond's and Muninn's are readily avilable on the market for 45-55m. It's just the percieved "elite" elite cruisers that are difficult to find. Demand out strips supply it's the way of the world.
You want the best you pay the most, that's the way it should be
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2005.02.17 17:26:00 -
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i bought a eagle for 39mil 
anonymous dealer I know gets really good deals on t2 and named stuff
Anyways i think NAGA's prices are very close to that
I want a cerberus but dont want to pay 90mil anyone know how these things fair in PvE?
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2005.02.17 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: markol
Edited by: markol on 16/02/2005 18:29:38
Originally by: Hellek
markol, agents are still giving out BPOs for them. so there WILL be more manufacturers
I dont want it in the future. I want it now. I have jsut completed training for one, and it took a month. At this point the training I have done is worthless since I have no ship to use my skills towards. I dont want to have to sit on my ass for another 2 months waiting for my number to come up at the builder's.
And what happens when I lose one? Do I have to sit another 2 months waiting for a replacement?
Shoulda thought of that before skilling for one maybe? or tried to aquire the ship before skilling towards it.
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Posted - 2005.02.17 20:10:00 -
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Both HAC's and Both AF's still BPO that need to drop for Gal.. at least that is what my agent is saying right now...
So I guess you can hope the lottery drops one soon (tm) 
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Elewin
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Posted - 2005.02.17 20:29:00 -
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Yup i agree with some previous posters, HAC's should be extremely rare not like a BS where every1 fly one. Hopefully by the time HAC's become readily available thell release the t2 BS's
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siim
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Posted - 2005.02.17 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Pointless Vengence
Originally by: Trollkeeper
I produce another HAC. It takes over 1000 units of T2 components to build the damned thing.
POS's were supposed to pickup and produce more T2 components, I havent seen that happening due to the rediculous requirements to run them. Serious coordination, time and effort is required just to run them, then you have to find someone to trade materials with to make some materials that can be made into components. This all takes alot of time and resources...
I put my print in a research slot to increase the ME to drop some of those T2 components, it takes close to 1 month to get it to ME4. It further takes 1.5 days to make 1 ship.
Is this a complaint - no, because it pushes prices up on these ships and rightfully so. Producers should make huge isk if the demand is there for them. And for those who dont want to pay, well sit and wait, prices may eventually come down (or put your name on one of the producers waiting lists to save a few million isk). 100 mill is not unreasonable to ask on a Deimos if the demand is there - clearly it is.
If producers have the print sitting idle, perhaps they should offer BYOM deals!
True to the Assault Sub-Class of ships, the Diemos can annihilate ships above its class (BSs). Its price should be on the same level as at least a tier 1 BS. Assault Frigs can OMFGPWN cruisers and some BSs . . . and their prices are slightly between the range of a Cruiser and a Battle Cruiser. HACs have a similar price range falling between the Tier 1 and Tier 2 BSs.
lay off the cracck pipe NOW!
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Unleashed
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Posted - 2005.02.17 22:31:00 -
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Just spend the extra millions and buy it. Thats what I did, imo the extra cash is worth waiting a month for the thing.
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