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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 20:06:24
 Originally by: Riedle
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Tippia
Bunch of useless bull****
You really are one stupid mother ****er. One thing is sure..you have made an enemy in this game. Don't say you weren't warned.
I can haz your enemy too?
Because i think your argument is full of crap, you have been unable to make your point other than to say that you want it to work your way because you are used to getting your way with everything in life.
Awaiting war dec
Riedle
My point has been made perfectly clear. If you are too ******ed to read blame your mother.
Also..don't think everyone is as stupid as you. I don't post with my main you fing muppet Be carefull for what you ask. Same goes for the two above you.
Oh and Tippia you are nothing but talk..I've done my homework and if you would log on for more than 5 min a day your ass would have been mine long ago. Start playing the game or give me your main and we can have at it.
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garus banta
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:13:00 -
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A HA HA HA HA HA!!!
I didn't come to an MMO to mingle or play with others...
Eve online is a social scifi game, not a "moron with a ship waving a gun alone" in space game.
Go play Mass Effect you numbnut!!!
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Baaldor
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:14:00 -
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Hahaha, holy **** dude you have truly made my day.
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:17:00 -
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the biggest misconception about eve is that lowsec is somehow more dangerous then highsec. Not really, in my experience it's actually safer, only 10% or less of the player base is in lowsec, usually the 0.4 systems leading into highsec are camped but since bubbles don't work it's really easy to slip through eve n in a shuttle. There are many opportunities in lowsec not available in highsec and it's relatively quiet.
If you want to be left alone go into deep lowsec and enjoy a virtually player free environment!
I'm serious yes.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 20:28:16
Originally by: cyndrogen
the biggest misconception about eve is that lowsec is somehow more dangerous then highsec. Not really, in my experience it's actually safer, only 10% or less of the player base is in lowsec, usually the 0.4 systems leading into highsec are camped but since bubbles don't work it's really easy to slip through eve n in a shuttle. There are many opportunities in lowsec not available in highsec and it's relatively quiet.
If you want to be left alone go into deep lowsec and enjoy a virtually player free environment!
I'm serious yes.
Who said anything about being alone? I don't get ninja salvaged nor do I play alone. Why would you want to play this game alone? My argument is just in general when it comes to the salvaging mechanic.
Infact I've said it many times before..I don't even salvage. It doesn't take a genius to see it's not working right when people keep complaining about it.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
Oh and Tippia you are nothing but talk.
àand yet, you haven't been able to prove an of that talk wrong.
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I've done my homework
àand yet you think the model is wrong? Would you care to point out how? With all that homework, it shouldn't be hard to point out something that it doesn't cover.
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if you would log on for more than 5 min a day
Maybe you should do your homework.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:35:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Oh and Tippia you are nothing but talk.
àand yet, you haven't been able to prove an of that talk wrong.
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I've done my homework
àand yet you think the model is wrong? Would you care to point out how? With all that homework, it shouldn't be hard to point out something that it doesn't cover.
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if you would log on for more than 5 min a day
Maybe you should do your homework.
It's all been said before..you can kiss my ass really. The key points are on the last page..reread them. Those are the reasons people start these threads. Because the only thing telling people that the wrecks are not theirs are you and ccp. The game mechanic sure doesn't.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
It's all been said before..you can kiss my ass really.
No thanks.
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The key points are on the last page..reread them. Those are the reasons people start these threads.
Nope. Nothing there to show that there's anything wrong with the model.
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Because the only thing telling people that the wrecks are not theirs are you and ccp. The game mechanic sure doesn't.
Hence the usefulness of the model.
Oh, and the mechanics sure hint at it since you can remove wrecks without any repercussion.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: ShahFluffers on 17/06/2011 20:45:30
Originally by: HeIIfire11
My point has been made perfectly clear. If you are too ******ed to read blame your mother.
Dude... you haven't proven your point. Anyone with any semblance of logic can see that. Your "masterful" dissection of the CCP quotes to "prove" your point is merely a semantic shell-game.
Quite basically, your entire argument hinges on 2 quotes from GM Ytterbium. In the first quote GM Ytterbium says...
Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.
... and in the second quote he says...
Originally by: GM Ytterbium
The wreck ownership mechanism has recently been changed, and as such will not belong to the character doing most damage to the NPC anymore, but to the pilot who first accepted the mission.
Isn't it reasonable to assume (especially in light of the first quote) that he was referring to wrecks in the sense that the "loot" inside the wrecks would belong to the person who accepted the mission and NOT everything in the mission?
And before you say "then he should have said it like that, but he didn't, so thus I'm right" bear in mind that GMs are people too and they will usually say things in the "simplest/easiest" way possible... which unfortunately leads to confusion if people take them too literally (as you seem to).
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Also..don't think everyone is as stupid as you. I don't post with my main you fing muppetBe carefull for what you ask. Same goes for the two above you.
Oh and Tippia you are nothing but talk..I've done my homework and if you would log on for more than 5 min a day your ass would have been mine long ago. Start playing the game or give me your main and we can have at it.
Ahhh bravado. You sure showed them (and me). Tell ya what... if you do want to follow through on your bark, come to the system of Auga in the Hed constellation. I'm usually on after 9pm PST.
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"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one."
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:46:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
It's all been said before..you can kiss my ass really.
No thanks.
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The key points are on the last page..reread them. Those are the reasons people start these threads.
Nope. Nothing there to show that there's anything wrong with the model.
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Because the only thing telling people that the wrecks are not theirs are you and ccp. The game mechanic sure doesn't.
Hence the usefulness of the model.
Oh, and the mechanics sure hint at it since you can remove wrecks without any repercussion.
You and your model..what fing model. And the fact that you can remove a wreck that only I can shoot,tractor beam and has my corp name on it is the problem. Period.
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: cyndrogen on 17/06/2011 20:47:23
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 20:28:16
Originally by: cyndrogen
the biggest misconception about eve is that lowsec is somehow more dangerous then highsec. Not really, in my experience it's actually safer, only 10% or less of the player base is in lowsec, usually the 0.4 systems leading into highsec are camped but since bubbles don't work it's really easy to slip through eve n in a shuttle. There are many opportunities in lowsec not available in highsec and it's relatively quiet.
If you want to be left alone go into deep lowsec and enjoy a virtually player free environment!
I'm serious yes.
Who said anything about being alone? I don't get ninja salvaged nor do I play alone. Why would you want to play this game alone? My argument is just in general when it comes to the salvaging mechanic.
Infact I've said it many times before..I don't even salvage. It doesn't take a genius to see it's not working right when people keep complaining about it.
The salvaging mechanic is a bit of a pain since tractor beams don't work on wrecks that do not belong to you.
So while you CAN salvage other peoples wrecks it's much slower then salvaging your own, you lose money by spending more time salvaging another persons loot when you can make more by running the mission AND salvaging yourself. It's also much easier to accept a mission then deploy probes to scan for the wrecks.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
You and your model..what fing model.
"The wreck isn't yours, the can inside is."
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And the fact that you can remove a wreck that only I can shoot,tractor beam and has my corp name on it is the problem.
àwhich is easily explained by "the wreck isn't yours, the can inside is."
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 20:56:05
Originally by: ShahFluffers
Isn't it reasonable to assume (especially in light of the first quote) that he was referring to wrecks in the sense that the "loot" inside the wrecks would belong to the person who accepted the mission and NOT everything in the mission?
And before you say "then he should have said it like that, but he didn't, so thus I'm right" bear in mind that GMs are people too and they will usually say things in the "simplest/easiest" way possible... which unfortunately leads to confusion if people take them too literally (as you seem to).
YOu throw these quotes in every thread on this subject..I just took them apart. I take them as literally as you do. Simple as that.
Originally by: ShahFluffers
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Also..don't think everyone is as stupid as you. I don't post with my main you fing muppetBe carefull for what you ask. Same goes for the two above you.
Oh and Tippia you are nothing but talk..I've done my homework and if you would log on for more than 5 min a day your ass would have been mine long ago. Start playing the game or give me your main and we can have at it.
Ahhh bravado. You sure showed them (and me). Tell ya what... if you do want to follow through on your bark, come to the system of Auga in the Hed constellation. I'm usually on after 9pm PST.
Right..follow through on my bark and war dec someones troll alt with my mission alt..even better come looking for you and waste my time Hold your breath I'll be there soon.
As for Tippia..he wont throw his main out there and since I will be leaving this game for lack of content..I will do the best I can by liquidating around 40 bill in assets and making sure his "alt" has some fun out of it for the next few months. Either that or he will ***** up and leave the corp. Either way is fine. And that without even logging on lol.
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
You and your model..what fing model.
"The wreck isn't yours, the can inside is."
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And the fact that you can remove a wreck that only I can shoot,tractor beam and has my corp name on it is the problem.
àwhich is easily explained by "the wreck isn't yours, the can inside is."
No..there is no can.
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: cyndrogen
Edited by: cyndrogen on 17/06/2011 20:47:23
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 20:28:16
Originally by: cyndrogen
the biggest misconception about eve is that lowsec is somehow more dangerous then highsec. Not really, in my experience it's actually safer, only 10% or less of the player base is in lowsec, usually the 0.4 systems leading into highsec are camped but since bubbles don't work it's really easy to slip through eve n in a shuttle. There are many opportunities in lowsec not available in highsec and it's relatively quiet.
If you want to be left alone go into deep lowsec and enjoy a virtually player free environment!
I'm serious yes.
Who said anything about being alone? I don't get ninja salvaged nor do I play alone. Why would you want to play this game alone? My argument is just in general when it comes to the salvaging mechanic.
Infact I've said it many times before..I don't even salvage. It doesn't take a genius to see it's not working right when people keep complaining about it.
The salvaging mechanic is a bit of a pain since tractor beams don't work on wrecks that do not belong to you.
So while you CAN salvage other peoples wrecks it's much slower then salvaging your own, you lose money by spending more time salvaging another persons loot when you can make more by running the mission AND salvaging yourself. It's also much easier to accept a mission then deploy probes to scan for the wrecks.
The main point is that it is risk free. It is a pvp encounter that the mission runner can't respond to.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 17/06/2011 21:04:21
Originally by: HeIIfire11
As for Tippia..he wont throw his main out there
Sure I will.
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I will do the best I can by liquidating around 40 bill in assets and making sure his "alt" has some fun out of it for the next few months.
Good luck finding that "alt"
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No..there is no can.
Irrelevant. The model still works.
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The main point is that it is risk free. It is a pvp encounter that the mission runner can't respond to.
If it's salvaging you're talking about then it has the same risk for both participants, and the mission runner most certainly can respond to this pvp encounter.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
As for Tippia..he wont throw his main out there
Sure I will.
What are you waiting for?
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
The main point is that it is risk free. It is a pvp encounter that the mission runner can't respond to.
If it's salvaging you're talking about then it has the same risk for both participants, and the mission runner most certainly can respond to this pvp encounter.
No he can't when he's doing the mission.
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Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:12:00 -
[107]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 20:06:24
Originally by: Riedle
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Tippia
Bunch of useless bull****
You really are one stupid mother ****er. One thing is sure..you have made an enemy in this game. Don't say you weren't warned.
I can haz your enemy too?
Because i think your argument is full of crap, you have been unable to make your point other than to say that you want it to work your way because you are used to getting your way with everything in life.
Awaiting war dec
Riedle
My point has been made perfectly clear. If you are too ******ed to read blame your mother.
Also..don't think everyone is as stupid as you. I don't post with my main you fing muppetBe carefull for what you ask. Same goes for the two above you.
Oh and Tippia you are nothing but talk..I've done my homework and if you would log on for more than 5 min a day your ass would have been mine long ago. Start playing the game or give me your main and we can have at it.
Careful everyone - he's an internet tough guy.
respect his authority!
lols
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
What are you waiting for?
I'm not waiting.
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No he can't when he's doing the mission.
Sure he can. Tractor, salvager, AB/MWD ù all tools of the tradeà hell, the guns will work if he wants to go for a scorched-earth kind of win.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
YOu throw these quotes in every thread on this subject..I just took them apart. I take them as literally as you do. Simple as that.
You did no such thing. You simply used smoke and mirrors to try and confuse what they were saying... which is more or less along the lines of "the loot inside the wreck is yours, the salvage that can be gained from the wreck is not" and "it is working as intended."
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Right..follow through on my bark and war dec someones troll alt with my mission alt..even better come looking for you and waste my time Hold your breath I'll be there soon.
Dude... this IS my main. And I WANT you to come after me. My corpies and I are bored to tears with no Amarr militia to shoot at. 
Originally by: HeIIfire11
As for Tippia..he wont throw his main out there and since I will be leaving this game for lack of content..I will do the best I can by liquidating around 40 bill in assets and making sure his "alt" has some fun out of it for the next few months. Either that or he will ***** up and leave the corp. Either way is fine. And that without even logging on lol.
Your stuff? Can I haz? I'll even make you a deal... give me your stuff and I'll edit all my posts in this thread to say you are right and that people should support this motion (no, seriously, I would). 
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"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one."
~Unknown |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 21:24:36
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
What are you waiting for?
I'm not waiting.
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No he can't when he's doing the mission.
Sure he can. Tractor, salvager, AB/MWD ù all tools of the tradeà hell, the guns will work if he wants to go for a scorched-earth kind of win.
So you're saying this is your main? If so I'm out of luck I guess because you do nothing but play forum warrior and hardly log on.
Originally by: Riedle
Careful everyone - he's an internet tough guy.
respect his authority!
lols
Not claiming the inet tough guy but I have enough isk if not more to do anything you can do in this game. There are plenty of people who want to earn isk.
Originally by: ShahFluffers
Your stuff? Can I haz? I'll even make you a deal... give me your stuff and I'll edit all my posts in this thread to say you are right and that people should support this motion (no, seriously, I would).
As if I give a **** about your saying I'm right Get a life you aren't nearly important enough. And if you want my stuff show me some Tippia kill mails (because you and your corp are bored) and you can get payed. 
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Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:25:00 -
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Careful everyone - he's an internet toughRICH guy.
respect his authority!
lols
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:28:00 -
[112]
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 21:28:13
Originally by: Riedle
Careful everyone - he's an internet toughRICH guy.
respect his authority!
lols
40 bill isn't rich really but I guess to someone like you it is. And when you're rich you don't have to be tough.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
So you're saying this is your main? If so I'm out of luck I guess because you do nothing but play forum warrior and hardly log on.
Like I said: do your homework.
àincidentally, that would also have revealed to you what tools the MR has at his disposal to respond to a competing salvager. Unsurprisingly, they're the tools of a salvager.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
Baaldor
Ascendent.
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:31:00 -
[114]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 21:28:13
Originally by: Riedle
Careful everyone - he's an internet toughRICH guy.
respect his authority!
lols
40 bill isn't rich really but I guess to someone like you it is. And when you're rich you don't have to be tough.
Sup, I'll be your huckleberry....
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
So you're saying this is your main? If so I'm out of luck I guess because you do nothing but play forum warrior and hardly log on.
Like I said: do your homework.
àincidentally, that would also have revealed to you what tools the MR has at his disposal to respond to a competing salvager. Unsurprisingly, they're the tools of a salvager.
Ahh..so you are a ***** just like I thought.
As far as th mr goes I mean fighting and not salvaging which the mr can't do without aggro.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: HeIIfire11
As far as th mr goes I mean fighting and not salvaging which the mr can't do without aggro.
So when you wrote "no he can't", you didn't actually read what it was you were responding to.
Goodie.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 21:37:56
Originally by: Baaldor
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 17/06/2011 21:28:13
Originally by: Riedle
Careful everyone - he's an internet toughRICH guy.
respect his authority!
lols
40 bill isn't rich really but I guess to someone like you it is. And when you're rich you don't have to be tough.
Sup, I'll be your huckleberry....
Your killboard looks nice I might get back to you on that.
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
As far as th mr goes I mean fighting and not salvaging which the mr can't do without aggro.
So when you wrote "no he can't", you didn't actually read what it was you were responding to.
Goodie.
I was right about the b i t c h part though...Goodie.
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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
C C P
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:49:00 -
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Thread cleaned of some trolling and off-topic posts. Please only reply if you have something constructive and on topic to contribute to the discussion.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP NA, EVE Online
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HeIIfire11
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Posted - 2011.06.17 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Thread cleaned of some trolling and off-topic posts. Please only reply if you have something constructive and on topic to contribute to the discussion.
And the post above yours is constructive
Guess good ole Tip had enough and reported me
Baaldor I will look you guys up and if you meet my needs we can talk buisness. Will contact you in game soon. If not c&p is full of opportunities Tipp
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.17 22:03:00 -
[120]
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: HeIIfire11
You and your model..what fing model.
"The wreck isn't yours, the can inside is."
Quote:
And the fact that you can remove a wreck that only I can shoot,tractor beam and has my corp name on it is the problem.
àwhich is easily explained by "the wreck isn't yours, the can inside is."
No..there is no can.
àand there are no electrons whizzing around the nucleus in discrete orbits, but Bohr's model still explains the spectral lines of a helium atom.
Whether there is a can or not is completely irrelevant ù the model explains the behaviour of wrecks.
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: cyndrogen
The salvaging mechanic is a bit of a pain since tractor beams don't work on wrecks that do not belong to you.
So while you CAN salvage other peoples wrecks it's much slower then salvaging your own, you lose money by spending more time salvaging another persons loot when you can make more by running the mission AND salvaging yourself. It's also much easier to accept a mission then deploy probes to scan for the wrecks.
The main point is that it is risk free.
And the main counter-point is that both salvagers face the same risks: being slower than the other guy and not getting the swag. In this competition the mission-runner has some distinct advantages, and in terms of risk vs. effort, the ninja is far more deserving of that reward.
àand in a sense, the same can be said about loot: both parties run the risk of being too slow and not getting the reward, but with the added risk of the mission runner being blown up by the NPCs (negligible) and of the theif being blown up by the MR (negligibleà as long as the MR isn't stupid).
And either way, the mission runner most certainly can respond to the competition.
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
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