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Curver
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:13:00 -
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The thread to discuss the DDOS (think its the first).
Links:
http://twitter.com/#!/lulzsec
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/titanic-takeover-tuesday-lulzsecs-busy-day-of-hacking-escapades.ars
"Next in line were the login servers for the game EVE Online. The effect of this attack was to bring down the EVE Online website at the same time, though LulzSec insists that this was not the actual target. In response to the DDoS, CCP Games, makers of EVE, have taken all their systems offline, for fear that they might be hacked. The company has also issued a statement to assure customers that their personal information remains secure."
/discuss
So sony gave people free games, i'm waiting for the whole "give us free SP CCP".
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Ori Empress
United Systems of the Allegiance
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:16:00 -
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So...does this mean we get free sp? 
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Hoban Gallifrey
New Eden University
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:17:00 -
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Atlas. Did it!
http://killboard.atlas-dot.net/
Or so they say...
Does that count as a link to kill board?
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Thatkidnamedrocky
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:17:00 -
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free sp would be nice
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Izziee
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:18:00 -
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No, not the first, mentioned in 3 of the few before this one.
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Olias Sunsoo
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:18:00 -
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No worries.
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Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:19:00 -
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My guess is CCP took down the website themselves, while figuring out the extent and seriousness of the attack. Better safe then sorry. The Sony-hacks probably has the whole industry on their toes, jumping at shadows.
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Celeritas 5k
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 14/06/2011 23:20:08
The difference is sony made several moronic security mistakes, while CCP did everything right. They might have been a little on the paranoid side, but when you're weighing a few hours of lost gametime against the possibility of leaking real world private information it's prudent to be paranoid.
This kind of thing is why CCP has kept my business for years, and will continue to receive it for years to come.
<3 CCP 
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Attanah
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:21:00 -
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Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
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Ayieka
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:21:00 -
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free sp for what, 5 hours of downtime?
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Rakamy
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:21:00 -
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So sony gave people free games, I'm waiting for the whole "give us free SP CCP".
I also think we (the players) should get free SP. 6hrs is still a long time for a "downtime". More over CCP should have been ready for this type of attack.
I will also mention the Sony network hack to personal data and such so it's pointless to compare that attack to the DDOS that was launched against CCP
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Curver
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Curver on 14/06/2011 23:24:04
Originally by: Izziee
No, not the first, mentioned in 3 of the few before this one.
Sorry for the claim, the website was running incredibly slow when I posted. Nonetheless, worth a discussion.
Its good that they took servers offline as a precaution, the last thing any of us want is our personal information being breached. However, it seems that Titanic Takeover Tuesday was just something designed to disrupt for lulz. Sony was only mentioned due to the downtime link and not the severity of the breach; I also do not expect free SP I was just waiting for the responses of people asking for it...
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Gekko N
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:22:00 -
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This has nothing to do with Sony. Lulzsec do it for the lulz, pure and simple.
But he who laughs last laughs hardest.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:22:00 -
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punch them in the wallet
and if that don't work
punch them in the wallet again
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Acac Sunflyier
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:24:00 -
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At first I found LulzSec's shenanigans amusing. But as they attack more and more gaming networks, they're alienating more and more of their fans. I for one wasn't amused that I couldn't log into eve, or League of Legends, or watch videos on The Escapist's website. As they continue on gallivanting around the web Lulzing at security, they're going to find that more and more people aren't Lulzing with them. My day was pretty much offline. So -3 LulzSec. -1 for killing eve when i wanted to play that. Minus another one for killing my backup. And, -1 for killing Yahtzee.
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Celeritas 5k
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rakamy
I also think we (the players) should get free SP.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
So you don't know much about DDoS attacks, I take it? 
ùùù
ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
ù Karath Piki |
skippy moveyourcrap
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:25:00 -
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Grab your pitch forks and torches!!!! Chant it with me people!
FREE SP!!
FREE SP!!
FREE SP!!
*knock knock*....hello who is it? Angry mob?....uh oh.... |
Miners Strike
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Attanah
... clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
Lol...
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Sue Shee
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
So you would rather them leave the database open for youre personal details to be released by a very immature tallented group publicly ?
Personally i am glad they took the servers offline while they was being attacked, especially after reading what the group who attacked eve-o has been up too, going around attacking everyone blindly and releasing peoples personal details worldwide (not a good move).
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Jon Archqus
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:27:00 -
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What ever happened to the real hackers.. You know the ones you never actually heard of because they were good. Now days every script kiddie & his BFF wants some internet fame.
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Salene Gralois
K-2
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:27:00 -
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Edited by: Salene Gralois on 14/06/2011 23:27:02
Originally by: Rakamy
More over CCP should have been ready for this type of attack.
I will also mention the Sony network hack to personal data and such so it's pointless to compare that attack to the DDOS that was launched against CCP
Don't be moronic. CCP's was the appropriate reaction. A DDOS is the perfect cover for executing a more severe security breach.
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Zag'mar Jurkar
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Zag''mar Jurkar on 14/06/2011 23:29:41
Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
Yeah, sure, they sure knows that it would be only a DDoS, and as most of their employees most be LulzSec followers on Twitter, they should have known that nothing more than that would happen... right?
Better be safe than sorry. I bet you'd be the first to crap on CCP for not reacting fast enough if there was an intrusion happening in their DBs.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:31:00 -
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If the stuff I was reading during the down time was correct, these guys stole the id Tech 4 source code via Brink over the last few days. CCP had the proper reaction to being attacked.
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Tore Vest
Gallente
Vikinghall
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tore Vest on 14/06/2011 23:39:25
Damn....
Almost made it....
Long skills on.... but didnt make dock 
Edit : Made it
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Runa Sigrun
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:34:00 -
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I will agree that CCP took the necessary actions, but should have been ready for this type of attack.
Quote:
Grab your pitch forks and torches!!!! Chant it with me people!
FREE SP!!
FREE SP!!
FREE SP!!
I got mine ready
FREE SP!!
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Sabine Kado
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
Uh, what? Why do all the morons who base their knowledge of cybercrime on Hollywood movies feel that they have to preach their ignorance to the masses?
What, exactly, do you think is the correct response to a DDoS this size?
1) Disconnect everything, in case it is a cover for a sneakier information retrieval attack
2) Disconnect everything even if it's just a DDoS, because 6 hours downtime is cheaper than the infrastructure necessary to prevent this kind of attack, and if you take their target away the sociopathic children will grow bored and go away
3) Have Jack Bauer instruct Chloe to open a socket to the servers at Division, release an Internet Harpoon (TM) to force their computers to stay connected, detect their TCP stack with the protocol analyzer, hack into the satellite feed, pinpoint their address and dispatch a CTU strike team
I expect you are going to pick number 3)
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Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Fina on 14/06/2011 23:36:49
I'm just glad that Eve's back up again.
I was getting abstinence symptoms like uncontrollable shaking and cold sweating after just an hour of downtime.
Hopefully ppl direct the blame at the 35 year olds living on their moms basement who did this.
Let's get on with the internet spaceship game. 
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Kendon Riddick
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:37:00 -
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i heard atlas payed the botnet group lolsec to ddos our servers.
ultimate greifing?
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Adelain Niska
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:38:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Rakamy
More over CCP should have been ready for this type of attack.
In what way weren't they ready?
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Erik CoolBreeze
Amarr
eve-universe.net
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:41:00 -
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CCP made the best of a bad situation.
People asking for sp (even though they lost none) are just greedy.
And as it is not CCP's fault that the downtime happened, no compensation needs to be given out.
Good job CCP :thumbsup: (NOT sarcasm!)
professional web development for the eve community |
Brooks Puuntai
Minmatar
Solar Nexus.
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:43:00 -
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I knew it was a bad idea for CCP to start giving out free SP. Now anytime theres any sort of DT people start whining about getting free sp.
As much as I bash CCP I have to say they made the right call in this situation.
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Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:44:00 -
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Lets not forget that these were the same guys that brought SONY down and tried to bring Senate.gov down as well. As far as free stuff, SONY was down for a week or so, EvE...not so much.
/end of line/
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:44:00 -
[34]
The lil lulz have been TOO busy lately and will likely get caught now.
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bastrian
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:45:00 -
[35]
EVE is almost empty. Really scary...
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Digital Messiah
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:45:00 -
[36]
CCP Quote:
DO NOT
give out free SP, thank you!
Quote:
Don't Panic
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Dom Ahab
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
It's spelled syndrome. Please check your knowledge levels now.
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John'eh
Gallente
Asteroid Belt Protection Services
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hoban Gallifrey
Atlas. Did it!
http://killboard.atlas-dot.net/
Or so they say...
Does that count as a link to kill board?
Posting in an epic thread that proves Atlas DDOS'ed CCP to make up for pvp fail.
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Gretix
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
So since they did not know the extent of the attack or how to combat it right away other than taking everything offline, you would rather they had stayed online and potentially had your information stolen? Do you think before you speak or do you just mash the keyboard? Thanks but I would rather they had go offline and protected my information. If you want your information unsecured that's your business...because you're an idiot. In my opinion they not only acted responsibly but professionally. |
Jennifer Nardieu
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Nardieu on 14/06/2011 23:49:33
Originally by: Salene Gralois
Edited by: Salene Gralois on 14/06/2011 23:27:02
Originally by: Rakamy
More over CCP should have been ready for this type of attack.
I will also mention the Sony network hack to personal data and such so it's pointless to compare that attack to the DDOS that was launched against CCP
Don't be moronic. CCP's was the appropriate reaction. A DDOS is the perfect cover for executing a more severe security breach.
Agreed, You have to send in the cookie monster before you go for the kernel.
Kill The Gibson! ;)
CCP reacted as any organisation should. If you're under attack you remove the attack surface.
In the case of a dDOS you remove your boxes from the network either physically or logically.
You scan, you check, you view logs and you confirm that noone was doing naughty things in your system while the entire NOC was otherwise busy trying to track, trace and defend against a flood of incoming packets.
Once the coast is clear you bring things back up and return to monitoring.
Then your post-event teams come in...
CCP protected your information using the most common sense method possible.
Kudos CCP for treating my personal information with the respect it deserves. :)
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Kara Audanie
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:49:00 -
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I am wondering if CCP have submitted a log of IPs that are related to DDOS attack to the FBI as a tip. I assume they probably have done this already?
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da go
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hesperius
If the stuff I was reading during the down time was correct, these guys stole the id Tech 4 source code via Brink over the last few days. CCP had the proper reaction to being attacked.
They did much more than "simple" DDOS attacks in the past. CCP reaction was good. In fact LulzSec actually complained about it. If LulzSec were to post something like that in these forums, they'd be trolled to hell and back with "cry baby" and "stuff. yourz. can I has?" replies.
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I don't know! I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it, and I don't know why I'll do it again!
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Covert Hauler
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Covert Hauler on 14/06/2011 23:55:40
The servers are back online! Whoo. That's what matters. At least it's not for longer.
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Zarnak Wulf
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:54:00 -
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Good response CCP. Stupid hacking crap is eventually cause big brother to regulate everything. I hope everyone likes the government looking over their shoulders as they serf the Internet.
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da go
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kara Audanie
I am wondering if CCP have submitted a log of IPs that are related to DDOS attack to the FBI as a tip. I assume they probably have done this already?
What's the FBI got to do with this? The target network is in London and the attacker is most probably not in the USA. Also the IPs of the machines that attacked are totally irrelevant as they are random windows machines operated by unsuspecting users that have absolutely no clue. In fact your one could as well be one of them. It's not the botnet that they need to go after but the botmaster.
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I don't know! I don't know why I did it, I don't know why I enjoyed it, and I don't know why I'll do it again!
Bart Simpson. |
MrWhitei ReS
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:57:00 -
[46]
Edited by: MrWhitei ReS on 14/06/2011 23:58:39
Originally by: Dom Ahab
Edited by: Dom Ahab on 14/06/2011 23:48:46
Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
It's spelled syndrome, confronted, classic, and doesn't. Please check your knowledge levels now.
EDIT: DIAF (In game :D )
:( I was just about to make this post
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Phillas Ekthour
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:58:00 -
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Important lessons to keep in the back of your head - always keep long term training in the back end of your que.
I would actually be really angry if CCP had not taken some preventative measures on this. Taking the servers down is perhaps a bit extreme, but you know what, I can't fault them. The industry is having to be very cautious right now.
Some script kiddy will get locked up, his deep dark handler will have the real laughs and go back to his day job, thinking to himself "dance puppets, dance."
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:58:00 -
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I don't want sp (would be nice, but no need for it). What I want is to be able to log in. Currently says the server is Unknown status.
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Kara Audanie
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Posted - 2011.06.14 23:59:00 -
[49]
Originally by: da go
Originally by: Kara Audanie
I am wondering if CCP have submitted a log of IPs that are related to DDOS attack to the FBI as a tip. I assume they probably have done this already?
What's the FBI got to do with this? The target network is in London and the attacker is most probably not in the USA. Also the IPs of the machines that attacked are totally irrelevant as they are random windows machines operated by unsuspecting users that have absolutely no clue. In fact your one could as well be one of them. It's not the botnet that they need to go after but the botmaster.
Well... for one... Lulzsec organization have a landline phone number (614-585-9732) that led to Harrisburg, OH. I can assume that there are some American hackers responsible although we cannot arrest all those who are responsible, which is appropriate for FBI to handle this.
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Kai Futatsu
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze
CCP made the best of a bad situation.
People asking for sp (even though they lost none) are just greedy.
And as it is not CCP's fault that the downtime happened, no compensation needs to be given out.
Good job CCP :thumbsup: (NOT sarcasm!)
I'd just like to point out that some people did lose SP.
For example, I got home from a business trip late last night and went to bed, expecting to update my queue when I woke up, as that would be the time that it would be running out. Due to the downtime, I couldn't, resulting in several hours in which I was training nothing.
I'm sure I'm not the only one.
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Hesperius
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: da go
What's the FBI got to do with this?
Just going to leave this here.
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Salene Gralois
K-2
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:01:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jennifer Nardieu
Agreed, You have to send in the cookie monster before you go for the kernel.
Kill The Gibson! ;)
The sweet introduction of Angelina to the world :D
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Mai Shiranui
Ninjitsu Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:01:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Mai Shiranui on 15/06/2011 00:04:52
Edited by: Mai Shiranui on 15/06/2011 00:03:28
Judging by how EVE's forum has degenerated, I think they nuked the wrong part of the site. I've been to several forums on sites and groups hit today, and only here on Eve have I seen forum behavior that makes me think maybe lulsec were not entirely unjustified.
The sheer volume of douchebaggery, mindless panning for handouts, and players needlessly attacking one another makes me long for the days that Eve was an obscure game no one heard of and fewer played.
From what I can see, we're making 4chan look dignified and restrained.
Beware of Jiggling Objects. |
Arron S
Gallente
Soviet Directorate of Eve
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:01:00 -
[54]
Wonder who did it... Server still down
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Ruairi Maguidhir
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:02:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
by low knowledge, do you mean unable to read or write?
as in: confrunted - dosent - clasic - sinrom?
did you mean low knowledge like that?
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:03:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Celeritas 5k
Edited by: Celeritas 5k on 14/06/2011 23:20:08
The difference is sony made several moronic security mistakes, while CCP did everything right. They might have been a little on the paranoid side, but when you're weighing a few hours of lost gametime against the possibility of leaking real world private information it's prudent to be paranoid.
This kind of thing is why CCP has kept my business for years, and will continue to receive it for years to come.
<3 CCP
Completely agree, this was a model response.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:04:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
At first I found LulzSec's shenanigans amusing. But as they attack more and more gaming networks, they're alienating more and more of their fans. I for one wasn't amused that I couldn't log into eve, or League of Legends, or watch videos on The Escapist's website. As they continue on gallivanting around the web Lulzing at security, they're going to find that more and more people aren't Lulzing with them. My day was pretty much offline. So -3 LulzSec. -1 for killing eve when i wanted to play that. Minus another one for killing my backup. And, -1 for killing Yahtzee.
So basically they were cool until they did something that adversely affected you.
Nice.
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:04:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Kara Audanie
I am wondering if CCP have submitted a log of IPs that are related to DDOS attack to the FBI as a tip. I assume they probably have done this already?
The originating IP's would have been forged. One of the mitigation's for DDOS is to require of an IP that makes a request to the server to say it again. When it doesn't the request gets dropped. Just one of many strategies to load shed a DDOS.
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Bklyn 1
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rakamy
Quote:
So sony gave people free games, I'm waiting for the whole "give us free SP CCP".
I also think we (the players) should get free SP. 6hrs is still a long time for a "downtime". More over CCP should have been ready for this type of attack.
I will also mention the Sony network hack to personal data and such so it's pointless to compare that attack to the DDOS that was launched against CCP
Why? Did skill training stop? Maybe a proportional refund or 6 hours of game time added, though I don't think CCP owes players anything for such a minor downtime while defending their servers from an attack.
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Sue Shee
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:06:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kai Futatsu
Edited by: Kai Futatsu on 15/06/2011 00:01:07
Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze
CCP made the best of a bad situation.
People asking for sp (even though they lost none) are just greedy.
And as it is not CCP's fault that the downtime happened, no compensation needs to be given out.
Good job CCP :thumbsup: (NOT sarcasm!)
I'd just like to point out that some people did lose SP.
For example, I got home from a business trip late last night and went to bed, expecting to update my queue when I woke up, as that would be the time that it would be running out. Due to the downtime, I couldn't, resulting in several hours in which I was training nothing.
I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Note: I do think CCP handled things well enough. Its action was a bit overkill, but necessary considering the circumstances.
So you would risk A LOT to gain little ?, i would love to play poker vs you
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w0rmy
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
DDoS are often distratctions, used to hide a hack. Taking servers offline, is not a knee jerk reaction, it is, best practise.
But im sure with the years of experience in the industry you have, you were aware of this.
And yeah, I am qualified to speak on this subject.
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FatRaps
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:08:00 -
[62]
as if it was Atlas, those guys cant even wipe thier own butts yet. |
Largo LaGrande
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:08:00 -
[63]
lets just blame and ban goons and move on |
Kara Audanie
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:09:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Zleon Leigh
Originally by: Kara Audanie
I am wondering if CCP have submitted a log of IPs that are related to DDOS attack to the FBI as a tip. I assume they probably have done this already?
The originating IP's would have been forged. One of the mitigation's for DDOS is to require of an IP that makes a request to the server to say it again. When it doesn't the request gets dropped. Just one of many strategies to load shed a DDOS.
I made another post, I think it best that FBI investigate on the insider of Lulzsec (AKA the owner of the phone number.) The chances are, the insider is probably leading several attacks. If not, it is quite possible that insider would lead to other people who are responsible. Considering their reputation, they are pretty ignorant and are bound to make mistake. |
burr right
Caldari
Vineyard Junkies
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: burr right on 15/06/2011 00:16:27
06/15/2011 00:10 UTC and Server = "Not accepting connections." Your COO indicated that your systems are back up and staff members report, "Back in business." It doesn't appear as though the IT hand knows what the Managment hand is doing. Is Managment speaking? Or is this noise from another orifice. |
Mai Shiranui
Ninjitsu Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:11:00 -
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Or it could be just that there happened to be a phone number that = lulsec and it's a red herring, which would be my bet. |
Ms Sofi
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:11:00 -
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Most of you are idiots and don't understand the implications of a DDoS attack on a large scale. CCP did everything right - they protected their assets and our personal information by not allowing it to escalate and shutting the servers down. If anything, we should be praising them.
In fact, CCP, can we give you skillpoints? |
Daniel Avenger
Caldari
C.R.S.
Pandorum Invictus
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:12:00 -
[68]
Originally by: burr right
06/15/2011 00:09 UTC and server is still not allowing gamers to login: Stuck in some type of starting up loop that keeps repeating.
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RiskyFrisky
Interrobang Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Sofi
Most of you are idiots and don't understand the implications of a DDoS attack on a large scale. CCP did everything right - they protected their assets and our personal information by not allowing it to escalate and shutting the servers down. If anything, we should be praising them.
In fact, CCP, can we give you skillpoints?
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Mai Shiranui
Ninjitsu Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:13:00 -
[70]
Or that hack could already have taken place, and the DDoS was to get CCP to takes it offline and restart, which then wipes any traces of the hack still in non-stable memory. |
Ultan Rova
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:13:00 -
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The Guristas are cycle-jamming the login screen....
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Jong Jong
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:14:00 -
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I hope someone hacks these *******s and throws their scrawny nerd asses in prison where they'll become some sodomites ***** for 10+ years. |
Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kewso on 15/06/2011 00:15:50
I've definitely been lulzing with them since the start,
they post info they scrap here: http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/ so place to keep eye out if they do post any eve info.
I was hoping they wouldn't target eve :P
but I've been mainly on icefilms.info watching movies all day so it's all good |
Mai Shiranui
Ninjitsu Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Jong Jong
I hope someone hacks these *******s and throws their scrawny nerd asses in prison where they'll become some sodomites ***** for 10+ years.
And this is what I was talking about earlier. Really, are we no better then 4chan (from whence lulsec and Anonymous come)? |
LoL At You
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:20:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Erik CoolBreeze
CCP made the best of a bad situation.
People asking for sp (even though they lost none) are just greedy.
And as it is not CCP's fault that the downtime happened, no compensation needs to be given out.
Good job CCP :thumbsup: (NOT sarcasm!)
Agree completely!
If it was CCP's fault for the downtime then sure. But they reacted appropriately and should be commended not harassed for free SP at every opportunity.
Thanks CCP!!! |
Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:22:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Mai Shiranui
Or that hack could already have taken place, and the DDoS was to get CCP to takes it offline and restart, which then wipes any traces of the hack still in non-stable memory.
That is likely what CCP was doing for those six hours, checking to see if there was a hack. Now they are restarting the servers without worrying about removing traces.
And no, not all of us are uncivilized tools. Just some (you'll find em in any game). |
Gehnster
Gallente
RED SUN RISING
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:22:00 -
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https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/LULZSEC
Warm up your turrets! |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:22:00 -
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Considering they had a "call in center" for people to suggest targets, I wouldn't doubt if some of them get arrested in the next 5 or 6 months. |
burr right
Caldari
Vineyard Junkies
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:27:00 -
[79]
I just noticed this Forum is not encrypted which then made me aware that when I entered my user-name and password to write this message, it was sent over an unencrypted, open channel. Which makes me aware that packet sniffers could be harvesting this information as we speak!
That aside: The only reason I am posting was to give a final report from Las Vegas, NV, that as of 00:25 UTC, login was still not possible. Good luck CCP, seems like you have some obvious security holes on your hands, including the one that just jumped out at me as clear as day!
burr right
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:28:00 -
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I don't really care one way or another on reimbursement. I wanted to say:
Back in 04 when FL was getting slammed by hurricanes, I received an offer from Ford Credit to bypass making a payment on my vehicle for a month (even though the payment would be tacked onto the end of the loan for an additional monthly payment). They didn't have to, the hurricane was not their fault, but they offered in advance to accommodate their customers in the expected target area. I seem to recall other situations involving airlines in recent history that have reimbursed their customers for situations beyond their control.
That is all.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:28:00 -
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called it with skype over Tor laggy as heck but was a huge cluster@#$! sounded like thousands all talking at once
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Rykuss
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:29:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Daniel Avenger
Originally by: burr right
06/15/2011 00:09 UTC and server is still not allowing gamers to login: Stuck in some type of starting up loop that keeps repeating.
Oh yeah, I remember being in that thread when the attack hit.
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Jennifer Nardieu
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:29:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Zleon Leigh
Originally by: Kara Audanie
I am wondering if CCP have submitted a log of IPs that are related to DDOS attack to the FBI as a tip. I assume they probably have done this already?
The originating IP's would have been forged. One of the mitigation's for DDOS is to require of an IP that makes a request to the server to say it again. When it doesn't the request gets dropped. Just one of many strategies to load shed a DDOS.
Don't doubt the stupidity of many.
As the "anonymous" arrests that are ongoing showed, quite a few people are idiots and failed to protect their identity when they joined the volunteer botnet.
Each one may be a minor player but then you get to go digging.
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Gehnster
Gallente
RED SUN RISING
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:30:00 -
[84]
Originally by: burr right
I just noticed this Forum is not encrypted which then made me aware that when I entered my user-name and password to write this message, it was sent over an unencrypted, open channel. Which makes me aware that packet sniffers could be harvesting this information as we speak!
That aside: The only reason I am posting was to give a final report from Las Vegas, NV, that as of 00:25 UTC, login was still not possible. Good luck CCP, seems like you have some obvious security holes on your hands, including the one that just jumped out at me as clear as day!
burr right
The forum isn't, but the login page is.
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Test-Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:30:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Kewso
called it with skype over Tor laggy as heck but was a huge cluster@#$! sounded like thousands all talking at once
Sounds like, "The Borg" careful, if you listen too long, you might be assimilated!
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BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:31:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Gretix
Originally by: Attanah
Ah, CCP impotence, gotta love it, wweeeaaa***k
CCP is the kid as school that when confrunted grabs his bags and runs for cover, because obviously its afraid and dosent know what to do and how to react, clasic sindrom of low knowledge.
So since they did not know the extent of the attack or how to combat it right away other than taking everything offline, you would rather they had stayed online and potentially had your information stolen? Do you think before you speak or do you just mash the keyboard? Thanks but I would rather they had go offline and protected my information. If you want your information unsecured that's your business...because you're an idiot. In my opinion they not only acted responsibly but professionally.
Agreed...
There are way to many stupid people out there to give opinions on subjects they know nothing about. I'm amazed at the number of people I know who think they are computer experts because they can "surf the net like a pro" or because they "got a good score in tetris"
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Elsa Nietchize
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:31:00 -
[87]
This thread is far more entertaining than the ice mining i was planning to do
just sayin'
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Rykuss
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:32:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Rykuss on 15/06/2011 00:37:15
Sorry, I got booted last post and didn't realise it made it.
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burr right
Caldari
Vineyard Junkies
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:32:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Gehnster
Originally by: burr right
I just noticed this Forum is not encrypted which then made me aware that when I entered my user-name and password to write this message, it was sent over an unencrypted, open channel. Which makes me aware that packet sniffers could be harvesting this information as we speak!
That aside: The only reason I am posting was to give a final report from Las Vegas, NV, that as of 00:25 UTC, login was still not possible. Good luck CCP, seems like you have some obvious security holes on your hands, including the one that just jumped out at me as clear as day!
burr right
The forum isn't, but the login page is.
Good to know: My apologies then for any false alarms.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:36:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Kewso
Edited by: Kewso on 15/06/2011 00:15:50
I've definitely been lulzing with them since the start,
they post info they scrap here: http://lulzsecurity.com/releases/ so place to keep eye out if they do post any eve info.
I was hoping they wouldn't target eve :P
but I've been mainly on icefilms.info watching movies all day so it's all good
*lol* the link...
How about somebody DELETE THAT LINK !
thx ...
Originally by: Kewso
called it with skype over Tor laggy as heck but was a huge cluster@#$! sounded like thousands all talking at once
of course.
now **** off.
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Serene Python
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:40:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Acac Sunflyier
At first I found LulzSec's shenanigans amusing. But as they attack more and more gaming networks, they're alienating more and more of their fans. I for one wasn't amused that I couldn't log into eve, or League of Legends, or watch videos on The Escapist's website. As they continue on gallivanting around the web Lulzing at security, they're going to find that more and more people aren't Lulzing with them. My day was pretty much offline. So -3 LulzSec. -1 for killing eve when i wanted to play that. Minus another one for killing my backup. And, -1 for killing Yahtzee.
So wait, as long as someones damages don't bother you everything is fine? I for one am glad then that LulzSec took down several games/websites you like.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:45:00 -
[92]
By the Power of Greyskull!
I haz da Powar!
anywho it was amusing but seems mess with gamers day is done for today
From twitter:
Quote:
LulzSec The Lulz Boat 5000 missed calls and 2500 voicemails from today. The Lulz Boat must sail off and organize itself. Hope you enjoyed #TitanicTakeoverTuesday! 21 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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da go
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Posted - 2011.06.15 00:57:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Hesperius
Originally by: da go
What's the FBI got to do with this?
Just going to leave this here.
That guy compromised an american server of an american company. CCP's server is not in the USA and CCP is not an american company.
Originally by: Kara Audanie
Edited by: Kara Audanie on 15/06/2011 00:10:23
Edited by: Kara Audanie on 15/06/2011 00:01:13
Originally by: da go
Originally by: Kara Audanie
I am wondering if CCP have submitted a log of IPs that are related to DDOS attack to the FBI as a tip. I assume they probably have done this already?
What's the FBI got to do with this? The target network is in London and the attacker is most probably not in the USA. Also the IPs of the machines that attacked are totally irrelevant as they are random windows machines operated by unsuspecting users that have absolutely no clue. In fact your one could as well be one of them. It's not the botnet that they need to go after but the botmaster.
Well... for one... Lulzsec organization have a landline phone number (http://twitter.com/lulzsec) that led to Harrisburg, OH. I can assume that there are some American hackers responsible although we cannot arrest all those who are responsible, which is appropriate for FBI to handle this. The idea is to follow the trail whoever is pulling the string, although this doesn't always work. (It doesn't stop us from arresting hackers though.) It best to give FBI some tips than not to.
LulzSec are the same guys that did sony network, Bethesda, Senate.gov and even the **** FBI Friday. I never meant to say that FBI is not interested in them. Also FBI know that number (it's in the USA but today that means nothing, it could be skype, google or even just a virtual landline). What I mean is that this specific attack is not under FBI jurisdiction. Also the IP addresses of the bots in the botnet are not very interesting to FBI (they may be interesting to the guys handling BGP configs because if they have regional correlation future attacks can be easy to mitigate at tier1 as soon as they are spotted, but they are useless to FBI). Tier1 network operators are very aware of what happened and surely have plenty of logs and statistics of today DDOS rampage. There's no need for CCP to collect and provide that info. CCP's concern is defending their own ASN. Level3 (and their peers) are more likely to be the ones concerned with the problem at large.
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jowming
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Posted - 2011.06.15 01:12:00 -
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wonder if those ibm monoliths ccp got in not to long ago helped keep back the assault those are pretty and shiny want one for the living room will protect me at night
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Katrina Cortez
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Posted - 2011.06.15 01:12:00 -
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Their phone number is probably ran through a VOIP like skype... you can pick any phone number that is available. They could be from/or at any location.
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Salene Gralois
K-2
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Posted - 2011.06.15 01:47:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Katrina Cortez
Edited by: Katrina Cortez on 15/06/2011 01:23:13
Their phone number is probably ran through a VOIP like skype... you can pick any phone number that is available. They could be from/or at any location.
The FBI's cybercrime division is more than capable of tracing IP addresses and phone numbers. Which more than likely will lead to phony names, stolen credit cards, cell phones etc.
It's a fairly easy trail to follow. It might take time to clear the underbrush, but easy nonetheless.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2011.06.15 01:52:00 -
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Please continue the discussion in this forum thread.
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CCP Hf, EVE Online
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